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Anonymous29MGTOW movement
MGTOW is not a movement. MGTOW is a phenomenon.
some sort of universal code of conduct for all MGTOW’s to follow,
Already covered: No marriage. No cohabitation. No sperm donation. Which is pretty much the practical application of what MGTOW means right there. Because MGTOW is a description of a set of behaviors (or lack thereof) not a prescription for behaviors to follow.
I stand corrected on MGTOW movement.
I also wrote philosophy and even ideology can be applied, all in lose terms considering that we are all individuals. Questions have been raised in this forum already about some things that I touched upon in my post. Questions that will be asked from within and from outside.
*Poling Station* —> The Monetization of MGTOW.
I’m not looking for an argument, I’m simply suggesting that MGTOW (phenomenon) be made and kept strong. Am I wrong ?
DRS, regarding the monetization of MGTOW, the only way that is going to happen is if certain commonalities between MGTOW are found, and attempts to do commerce around those commonalities will prove to be profitable. Without that, it won’t go anywhere. It either has to become a stereotype that can be used culturally to communicate something, or ends up being a product or service that can be offered that MGTOW would buy. There is also the info product route where you sell things to the world that would interest them in learning more about MGTOW.
As far as making and keeping MGTOW strong, it will do its own thing, and is as strong as the number of men who stay and remain MGTOW, preferably in a manner that they find happiness. It is also better something you do personally, rather than being something that is discussed.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Anonymous29DRS, regarding the monetization of MGTOW, the only way that is going to happen is if certain commonalities between MGTOW are found, and attempts to do commerce around those commonalities will prove to be profitable. Without that, it won’t go anywhere. It either has to become a stereotype that can be used culturally to communicate something, or ends up being a product or service that can be offered that MGTOW would buy. There is also the info product route where you sell things to the world that would interest them in learning more about MGTOW. As far as making and keeping MGTOW strong, it will do its own thing, and is as strong as the number of men who stay and remain MGTOW, preferably in a manner that they find happiness. It is also better something you do personally, rather than being something that is discussed.
Agreed.
I should have been more specific. It was the fourth post by Binary Logic that I was thinking about while writing. Specifically about outside influences.
I stand corrected on MGTOW movement.
Still not a movement.
Among other reasons why, movements have goals and agendas. MGTOW have goals and agendas in exactly the same way that Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby. In other words, they don’t. So they aren’t.
DRS, regarding the monetization of MGTOW, the only way that is going to happen is if certain commonalities between MGTOW are found, and attempts to do commerce around those commonalities will prove to be profitable. Without that, it won’t go anywhere. It either has to become a stereotype that can be used culturally to communicate something, or ends up being a product or service that can be offered that MGTOW would buy. There is also the info product route where you sell things to the world that would interest them in learning more about MGTOW. As far as making and keeping MGTOW strong, it will do its own thing, and is as strong as the number of men who stay and remain MGTOW, preferably in a manner that they find happiness. It is also better something you do personally, rather than being something that is discussed.
Agreed. I should have been more specific. It was the fourth post by Binary Logic that I was thinking about while writing. Specifically about outside influences.
Considering the whole pile of influences that you speak of led to MGTOW being MGTOW, the more the act, the more MGTOW is, even if the MGTOW label wasn’t around at all.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
I stand corrected on MGTOW movement.
Still not a movement. Among other reasons why, movements have goals and agendas. MGTOW have goals and agendas in exactly the same way that Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby. In other words, they don’t. So they aren’t.
Each MGTOW has his own goals and agendas, which are shaped in part by the way of the world, and the need for a MGTOW to find something else to do with his life, besides all the Blue Pill ways.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Anonymous42Never ever ever pansy up to any opposition! And NO! “NO” I’m not toning down my speech for any C~~~ SUCKING F~~~!
My character is MY F~~~ING CHARACTER! bbc can F~~~ OFF! Any manipulation I allow in my SPEECH immediately and forever becomes THEIR F~~~ING SPEECH! READ MY F~~~ING LIPS bbc, I CONFORM TO NO ONE! I make my own law from the wreckage of this totally F~~~ED society! Kiss my ASS!
MG-Tower in a nutshell:
Anonymous11Never ever ever pansy up to any opposition! And NO! “NO” I’m not toning down my speech for any C~~~ SUCKING F~~~!
I strongly second Tower’s mildly stated opinion. Nothing against the Brothers in Scotland, England, Ireland and France, but I’m glad my ancestors left Europe. Now, we fight to keep America from going over the edge. We’re all fighting the same battle. Same to all the Canuck, Aussie, Swede, Indian, German, Mexican and any other Country’s Brothers I failed to mention too.
We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. – Benjamin Franklin
MGTOW is MGTOW… if they are going to make a documentary on it… it should just be about guys going their own way. Nothing more, nothing less.
Film a bunch of guys doing whatever they want… and at the end of it, “This is MGTOW”
My Goal: To Leave Society.
MG-Tower in a nutshell: https://www.youtube.com/embed/gAYL5H46QnQ
Ghost the world hard.. with a vengeance. Otherwise know as… still dealing with Red Pill Rage :). Yes, the Rage went and consumed more than just dealing with women 😛
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
I think that loosely allying our political constructs and goals in terms of a unified front brings to light some very successful past historical strategic and tactical genius.
Movements as a whole, tend to want to adhere to a set of “rules” when engaging in a struggle; this can be a top-heavy, inflexible approach to dealing with an adversary who simply refuses to abide by the official “rules” of war (IE: The Geneva Con). This might seemingly bode well for the organized oppressor in terms of logistics, theoretical strategy and what they would perceive to be an inevitable, statistically correct outcome. We have however as a whole, been given many hard-learned lessons and failures while adhering to this tactical doctrine, over the last couple of centuries, particularly in the latter half of the 20th century, and most certainly in post 2000 conflicts.
As a tangible example, the French, rather arrogantly decided to enter into Indo-China in post-war orient to reclaim their “rightful colonies”. By using regimental based WW2 and Cold War tactics in an inhospitable land, they inevitably engineered their own demise. By literally driving down established, marked, pre-sighted roads and trails with heavy armored columns and pompous infantrymen in single file (imagine the arrogance) they chose to openly disrespect their adversary by demanding and assuming that the Viet Minh would by default play by their “rules”. This worked well for all of a few weeks while the Viet Minh hid in the bushes and observed the formations of the French forces. Imagine the surprise when they choose a nice summer day to pop out of the bush in the thousands, from all directions, and proceeded to annihilate the French forces with impunity and by giving no quarter. In a matter of an hour, the French forces were a smoking hole in the ground, only to have the enemy dissipate back into the jungle as if they’d never even been there. Unidentifiable ghosts. Utter, complete, and total defeat from a “lesser” force, equipped with lesser weaponry; but with one exceptionally important tool in their arsenal; the irrefutable burning desire to win. And they did. In Jig time.
While the Viet Minh might well have had some conflicting ideals within their own ranks, they accomplished their goal. Not by being an indoctrinated force that 100% agreed with one another as a “movement”, but as a group of individuals in the pursuit of a common goal. “Get the oppressor out of our free land by at least agreeing on one common goal: “We will not live by your rules, and we will continue to not live by your rules. It doesn’t matter how many more propaganda laden masses you send at us, we won’t give up. You, the oppressor will tire. We will not”.
This is of course a very extreme example. In my understanding, MGTOW has very obviously and absolutely no intention of engaging in violent guerrilla warfare in order to achieve our means as a collective of individuals who seek to free ourselves from a common oppressor. Rather, we’ll quietly hide in our own “bushes” and live by our creed which would prevent the impinging on each of our personal freedoms. By giving way to an organized movement, or “collective’, we then present our adversaries with a very real and indentifiable target. When scattered to the wind however, there isn’t a target to be found.
These are examples or our principles and values. These are not meant to be a militaristic endeavours, or a call to arms.
We can be farmers, engineers, architects, artists, teachers, doctors, lawyers and those who would mine coal. With our individual pursuits we can confound the organized insidious dictatorship without “firing a shot”. We can’t be a target. We are the wind, as it blows in all directions.
You can’t aim a missile at that which you can not identify or see.
Anonymous29I stand corrected on MGTOW movement.
Still not a movement. Among other reasons why, movements have goals and agendas. MGTOW have goals and agendas in exactly the same way that Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby. In other words, they don’t. So they aren’t.
I wrote I stand corrected on that issue ! What the f~~~ do you want from me ? You want my a formal apology or are you looking for my f~~~ing blood. Get over it. I get it for f~~~’s sake.
Escaped:
At BEST, MGTOW can function like a network, if that. It can have loosely connected nodes coming together for this or that, that each node benefits from. The network can have elements that contradict and don’t connect at all. But, a problem I have with allies, on a personal level, is that this presumption of fighting an enemy will result in you trying to get allies, who then will later on make demands on you for the allegiance to you that you may not be comfortable with. In trying to defeat and enemy, standing in opposition to something, you fail to actually build anything. As I see it there are plenty of anti-gynocentric groups and individuals out there, who are battling feminism and so on. I don’t need to ally with them. Heck, I don’t even need to ally with some who are under MGTOW. Like, I ran into one YouTuber who happened to end to look like he is going MGTOW now. I subscribed. I then found one video he did about eliminating God from earth, by treating God as a joke. I am doing a YouTube channel that is the intersection of MGTOW and Christianity, and that idea is of no value to me (to be politely). In no way is this MGTOW YouTuber an ally of mine. He isn’t necessarily an enemy, but he doesn’t really have much to offer to me. The kicker with that is there is compromise involved with allies I am not about to do at all.
The core idea, I see of MGTOW, is for you to unplug from what you need to, and MGTOW has a core one of not getting married, and then do what you need to personally to make it in the world, and have personal friends and supporters, if you can, and get on with your life. Anything else is setting yourself up for disappointment, right down to thinking you are going to topple some structure out there.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
I wrote I stand corrected on that issue ! What the f~~~ do you want from me ? You want my a formal apology or are you looking for my f~~~ing blood. Get over it. I get it for f~~~’s sake.
Relax.
It’s just extremely important to understand the difference. When people incorrectly think of MGTOW as a movement it leads to all sorts of invalid assumptions that cause them to completely miss the point of what Going Your Own Way is. And that leads to trouble.
Anonymous29I wrote I stand corrected on that issue ! What the f~~~ do you want from me ? You want my a formal apology or are you looking for my f~~~ing blood. Get over it. I get it for f~~~’s sake.
Relax. It’s just extremely important to understand the difference. When people incorrectly think of MGTOW as a movement it leads to all sorts of invalid assumptions that cause them to completely miss the point of what Going Your Own Way is. And that leads to trouble.
Agreed: . . . English is not my native language and I do make errors in terminology spelling and what ever else, none intentional.
Rather than one fork in a road, I see MGTOW as many forks, each individual being different.
Instead of:
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I see MGTOW as :
MGTOW
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
As far as Neo and Truth going dark, I do not know if its related to the BBC. The white flour response is funny as hell. The way the media will portray this in the most negative light. Throw in that women will be “offended.” Mix in a bunch of p~~~ed of blue pills, who will only get more upset that women are offended and this will be a cluster F. Just a matter of how F’d up this will get. I wouldn’t be supervised if mgtow gets associated with ISIS and climate change deniers all at once.
Oh yea…Neo hasn’t updated in quite a while…I wonder why.
I stand corrected on MGTOW movement.
Still not a movement. Among other reasons why, movements have goals and agendas. MGTOW have goals and agendas in exactly the same way that Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby. In other words, they don’t. So they aren’t.
I wrote I stand corrected on that issue ! What the f~~~ do you want from me ? You want my a formal apology or are you looking for my f~~~ing blood. Get over it. I get it for f~~~’s sake.
Don’t sweat the details here. Sidecar has an opinion on this, that is valid. But, I can also argue that MGTOW is a movement, if you consider a movement to be able to be leaderless and a response to common factors in society. One can argue there is a common agenda, and that is for MGTOW to go their own way. But, unlike normal movements, one can’t say that it is coordinated by leaders and orchestrated. It is more of a movement the way a crowd would be running from a disaster.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Escaped: At BEST, MGTOW can function like a network, if that. It can have loosely connected nodes coming together for this or that, that each node benefits from. The network can have elements that contradict and don’t connect at all. But, a problem I have with allies, on a personal level, is that this presumption of fighting an enemy will result in you trying to get allies, who then will later on make demands on you for the allegiance to you that you may not be comfortable with. In trying to defeat and enemy, standing in opposition to something, you fail to actually build anything. As I see it there are plenty of anti-gynocentric groups and individuals out there, who are battling feminism and so on. I don’t need to ally with them. Heck, I don’t even need to ally with some who are under MGTOW. Like, I ran into one YouTuber who happened to end to look like he is going MGTOW now. I subscribed. I then found one video he did about eliminating God from earth, by treating God as a joke. I am doing a YouTube channel that is the intersection of MGTOW and Christianity, and that idea is of no value to me (to be politely). In no way is this MGTOW YouTuber an ally of mine. He isn’t necessarily an enemy, but he doesn’t really have much to offer to me. The kicker with that is there is compromise involved with allies I am not about to do at all. The core idea, I see of MGTOW, is for you to unplug from what you need to, and MGTOW has a core one of not getting married, and then do what you need to personally to make it in the world, and have personal friends and supporters, if you can, and get on with your life. Anything else is setting yourself up for disappointment, right down to thinking you are going to topple some structure out there.
We’re basically on the same page here, Richard. I am not at all for “organized” or movement in any way shape or form. I think there might be some misinterpretation in what I said.
The core idea, I see of MGTOW, is for you to unplug from what you need to, and MGTOW has a core one of not getting married, and then do what you need to personally to make it in the world, and have personal friends and supporters, if you can, and get on with your life. Anything else is setting yourself up for disappointment, right down to thinking you are going to topple some structure out there.
This is, in a more succinct way, what I was getting at, so thanks. By denying organized structure / infrastructure to the detractors, they are left without a target. It’s very difficult to “shoot” at a wildly varying mass of individuals with varying principles as a group or movement. In a figurative sense, they might as well walk into a shopping mall and “open fire”. They’d be no more successful in proving their cause than trying to nail down a “MGTOW”.
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