Hes AFRAID of Girls!

[RusskyParticipant 13549]

Disney stories should be rewritten to a tune of: “Princess was captured by a dragon, and she texted prince to come rescue her.
This would put a ball in the right ride of the court.
Instead, princes are asked to fight dragons out of nowhere which is complete bulls~~~.

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[ClintParticipant 331]

sorry, to address the original question, I’m 22 still, so I’m in my youth I guess. I used to think I was afraid of approaching girls, and maybe I was. However, I don’t think that by nature I would be – it’s the environment that we are raised in. It’s kind of programmed in us to be afraid to approach women because we could be embarrassed if they say no and we feel like less of a person. I’ve never had a girlfriend and rarely have brought a girl home to my parents. I don’t think they suspect I’m gay, but I assume they think I have social anxiety or something. To combat the blue-pill approach anxiety thing, I started reading pick-up books and self-development books. I believe that some PUA’s perpetuate this inadequacy for their own monetary gain. They take advantage of the fact that people like me came to figure out why we couldn’t approach and they would say, “YES! You have good reason to be afraid! However, if you do as I tell you, it can go away with time.” Then they tell you that you have to keep approaching over and over again 1000’s of times until you become numb. I never really did the stuff myself, I just read the books to explore the theory of it.

I will say that although a lot of the PUA books are total garbage, some of them will actually focus on being a better person rather than just trying to superficially deceive a woman to have sex. I used to be a person that would get friendzoned all the time, and I didn’t understand why, so I turned to reading about it to figure out the problem. Some of it was their fault, but if I knew better it never would have happened. So there is no person to really put the blame on.

Overall, the average person is convinced they are afraid of approaching women, but it really is all a mental thing. The majority of men were taught at a young age to be afraid to approach girls. All it really is, is the decision to be like Keymaster says. Realize that women don’t mean s~~~. If they don’t like you, who gives a f~~~. If they do, great. Stop believing that we have to prove to them that we are good enough. They should be proving to us that they are worth our time. Especially when we become MGTOW, the pressure really goes off our shoulders because we are free. We understand how it actually is a negative to have a woman attached to us, and therefor we aren’t afraid to talk to girls, we are afraid they’ll ruin our lives.

I feel like I could have answered this question a lot better after writing this. I might revisit this subject at a later time to clarify.

"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you into something else is the greatest accomplishment." -Ralph Waldo Emerson

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Just to clarify guys – Im 36 and certainly not AFRAID to approach girls lol. My question was more about the TACTIC of women saying such things, and it is in retrospect almost 20 years ago looking back at a statement that stood out to me.

Anyway, still appreciate the replies. Just wanted to clarify lol

Resident cynic.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@clint

Clint wrote:

KM you always crack me up – I could read your posts all day long.

I cracked myself up writing that and LOL-ed actually. I’m glad you picked up on it.

It happened to me once. I walked up to a table of like 8 baby women and took an interest in one who was kind of making eyes across the room. My mistake was thinking it was a table of adults. But it was like 7th grade with bank accounts.

The bitter “token ugly fat friend” (who attractive women carry with them like an accessory to heighten their value) was literally sitting there stuffing her face full of nachos and sour cream….. with her hand in the f~~~ing sauce …. and saying s~~~ like “she’s not interested it’s girls night out. No boys allowed.”

“No boys allowed? What are you, 6? She doesn’t need your permission and neither do I. Are you eating? or giving yourself a manicure. Your paws are covered in sour cream. Why won’t lick it off before you talk with your mouth full. It’s rude.”

That was the end of that fat bitch. Because I will be as much of a c~~~ as I need to be to make sure no bitch ever gets away with anything at my expense. I will say anything in any setting without limits. You can get away with saying anything to anyone if you say it with enough authority. A woman will never change that. She is already pretty sure you will fold. Use that to your advantage.

In that moment, I could feel I *won that girl over* and I told her her “friends’ are f~~~ing horrible. She can do better. And then I walked away. I went back to my friend at the bar, we ordered a round, but I never looked back at her again. I supposed I could “feel” her staring. This was her chance to now step away and show that she was the “strong and independent” woman they all pretend to be. Of course no woman has the f~~~ing sack to think or act for herself so she stayed with the c~~~s. But i won’t forget shooting down the c~~~-blocker.

In fact that was the day I first heard the term from my friend “c~~~-blocker”. Never heard it before. It was never really a problem before. Never any problem holding my own in the company of many women. I have never even SEEN that kind of behavior (or associated with women like that) since I was 11. Do that in another countries in the world, and women will encourage her. Especially if she’s single.

I think what you say is the boiled down, effective, and all-around better version of all the pick-up s~~~. All that stuff about wearing eccentric items and whatever else they do is f~~~ing dumb, frankly. Before MGTOW I was always more interested in the ways that were more authentic – not the “how to get her to your apartment!” crap.

If the term “successful with women” actually had merit, you could say I did very well – because I wasn’t destroyed or flattened . ‘Can that be called “success”? You bet it can.

But on the topic of what PUAS mean by “success with women”…. the first time I heard of terms like c~~~-blocker, “game”, “PUAs” and all of that, it was about 2006… and that’s when I knew there was something “wrong” in the American social scene. Something DEEPLY wrong…. and it’s not us. So I started to really dive into it and uncovered this whole culture dedicated to “getting women’s phone numbers” and “making approaches” and “approach anxiety” which was all bulls~~~ as far as I was concerned… and the women I DATED would NEVER have responded to guys like this:

NOT. FOR. ANY. REASON. There is no “trick” to it. There are no “tips”. Just be authentic. Really and truly. Somewhere, somehow, someone has convinced men they have “approach anxiety”. They don’t. It’s all made up in their heads. You don’t have to learn to overcome it. You just need to tear it right down and be authentic.

The best “pick up” line is “Good morning / Good afternoon / or Good evening”. It’s not “the opinion opener” where the s~~~stain above trains guys to say s~~~ like “go ask women for their opinion!!!” like “hey my friend and I really want to get a female opinion!!! Who lies more men or women???? Who cheats more men or women???”.

It’s truly unbelievable. That’s how they “get women to talk to them”. To me, this is WHACKED.
I don’t need to learn how to talk to women or “get their opinions”…
I need to learn how to get them to shut f~~~ up.

Clint wrote:

I used to think I was afraid of approaching girls, and maybe I was. However, I don’t think that by nature I would be – it’s the environment that we are raised in

And there you go. That’s EXACTLY what I’m talking about. You’re more in tune than you think perhaps. But I will say that I am very glad I am not 22 and looking around for answers forced to navigate this disaster of a social climate. I never even put any thought into it! It shouldn’t even be NECESSARY for you to need to “think of a way to talk to women”… or “find ways to get over your approach anxiety”.

It’s SO insane and toxic.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

You just need to tear it right down and be authentic.

This is EXACTLY what I learned, after dealing with women’s BS games in my younger days. Do you know why its so effective? Because the vast majority of men believe they have to lie to women and become douche bags to get their attention. So when they are finally faced with a man that is entirely authentic, it blowss off the charts and their radar. I cant tell you the number of times women have used JUST that word ‘authentic’ as a compliment to me, and they sincerely werent accustomed to it.

Its ridiculous but true most men succumb to douchebaggery and lying in an attempt to “impress” a girl. Guess you cant blame them, because of womens ever increasing demands and qualifications. But its been in place so long, that automaticity now is rare.

In any event, Id rather be authentic and NOT get laid, then be a lying douchebag JUST for a one night stand. I cant imagine LYING about my life to make me look better. To me that is more depressing, because that would mean Im so pathetic I have to LIE to look better.

But its true, in todays day and age authenticity stands out. And if someone has a problem with you honestly are, they are not deserving of your time.

Resident cynic.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

In any event, Id rather be authentic and NOT get laid, then be a lying douchebag JUST for a one night stand. I cant imagine LYING about my life to make me look better. To me that is more depressing, because that would mean Im so pathetic I have to LIE to look better.

The PUAs will actually use this AGAINST you, too. They understand there is a common pushback among men who look at their s~~~ and see it as “lying” or being who you aren’t. And they will defend their “game” as not being about giving women what they want – when that’s exactly what it is. Barbarossa once said:

“PUAs will attempt to convince you that – after studying what women want (as opposed to what they SAY they want) – that “game” isn’t about – and solely about – “giving women what they want”…. regardless of what they SAY they want.

So well put.

And that’s why it doesn’t sit right with us. If you and I should listen to what woman say, then translate into what they mean, and then adjust our responses, reactions, and actions to make a relationship work because that’s what women want…. then within that relationship YOU ARE ALL ALONE.

If you need to game your girlfriend or wife just to make sure she doesn’t dump you, man f~~~ing GET OUT.
Don’t even get INTO it.

I understand that “game” WORKS. Rather than getting upset when women try to “sucker me into their frame” or when they attempt to manipulate, I will apply some “amused mastery” myself to make interaction fun and amusing. But not to amuse HER. It’s to entertain MYSELF. It’s boring to talk to women. They are generally very uninteresting. That’s why so many of them say – on a dating profile – “I don’t like talking about myself”. Because there is nothing to say! She’s NOT INTERESTING. Women have actually lost the ability to flirt and get a good rally going. That’s why men are looking for ways to pull stunts out of their asses.

There is a difference between “games” and playing THE game. THE game can be fun. I fully admit it and I admit it works. But if we live in a world where I have to ask “hey my friend and I really want a female opinion!!! Who lies more men or women???” just to get women to talk to me…… It’s time to find a sharp kitchen object, and lay down on it slowly. And I don’t mean me. I mean , the people who recommended it and want OUR MONEY for that s~~~ty advice.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

There is a difference between “games” and playing THE game

I take it by this statement, and the thrust of your post, you are distinguishing between: recognizing their is a game (the game) that was devised by women, versus playing GAMES – lying, putting up on a pedastool, etc.

If thats what you mean, I agree with you. Girls have constructed male /female relationships to be a game. I can and will play that game, but on my own terms. Not “games” of bs.

With respect to the former one bar incident comes to mind. I was sitting at a bar after work, enjoying a beer, and was about to go to the patio for a smoke. Two very attractive 20 somethings waltzed in. One sat next to me, the other stood because there were no open seats. I got up to go for my smoke and said “you can sit here, Im going on the patio anyway”.

The most attractive one looked at me and said “come back”. Some of you will think this is non mgtow. But this truly threw this girls mind for a loop. Most guys are SENDING girls like this drinks. I showed more interest in my cigarette. Showed LITTLE value on her, thus lowering her value yet at one and the same time was generally polite. She didnt know what to make of it.

I finished a couple smokes, shot s~~~ with the bouncer outside. Came back in, and the girls literally switched seats so I could sit inbetween them (a new seat opened up). Now I have a cute girl to my left, and to my right. What effort did I put in? Nothing, Simply commented my seat would be available because I was going out for a smoke. I would have done the same for a guy, but girls arent accustomed to men LEAVING when they show up. Enter mind f~~~, because of their OWN twisted games, not mine.

 

We talked for a bit, and at one point one of the girls asked me “do you like salt or pepper?” one girl was black the other white. The white one jumped out “IM SALT!” To clarify. In the end they were just dumb, but my point is, it shows what a small change in attitide will produce.

There was some douchebag guy at the bar who I think offered them drinks. They literally mocked him to me while I was sitting there.

Anyway:  a SMALL change in attitude brings drastic results in my experience.

Resident cynic.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I take it by this statement, and the thrust of your post, you are distinguishing between: recognizing their is a game (the game) that was devised by women, versus playing GAMES – lying, putting up on a pedestal, etc.

Yes.

Ancientwisdom wrote:

thus lowering her value yet at one and the same time was generally polite. She didnt know what to make of it.

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Anyway: a SMALL change in attitude brings drastic results in my experience.

We spoke about thus in another thread just a couple of days ago. About VERY VERY minor adjustments that are HUGELY noticeable. Like “good evening” instead of “hey” and “my pleasure” instead of “you’re welcome”. Women really DO NOT know what to make of it. It’s like beating the entire community of men out of the competition who will give them an “opinion opener” just by saying “please you can have my seat” … while you walk away from her. Killing them with kindness, while you are more interested in the cigarette than what she has to say is hugely noticeable.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

Oh ye, I understand.

Ancientwisdom wrote:

What do you guys think?

Relax and enjoy the life. Laugh at the situation =)

 

When I was like 6-7 years old, our class went traveling (to a Zoo or I forgot) on a small red “school” bus.

I was talking with a friend, we were sitting in the bus facing each other. It was a sunny day, the bus was loud and we were excited little kids, traveling.

 

One girl from our class, (also 7 years old) liked me very much, as I was a nice, shy guy – she initiated first.

She used an opportunity and tried to sit on my lap, just as I was talking with my friend.

I was a nice, smart, blonde 7 years old child, “an angel”,

but my reaction (and I still don’t know where I learned that word) was to proclaim: “Get lost, Slut!”.

 

…let’s just say she didn’t like me very much for 10+ years later, she stopped caring when she got a boyfriend and we became cool.

The Fun part – I forgot about this incident, and I never understood why she disliked me years and years after, even as I was nice to everyone.

 

My friend reminded me about this and I was like “Daaaaaamn, So she dislikes me for years now, NOW it makes sense. Why did I say it so harsh ?”

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[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Fullmetoexo,

LOL! That reminds me of my FIRST encounter with girls. I was 3-5ish years old, watching BAMBI in preschool. This adorable girl named Karla was in my class…Why I was interested in girls at this age is beyond me. Anyway, I kissed her on the cheek.

Couple weeks later its her birthday party at her house. At some point in time, I went to kiss her on the cheek, and she f~~~ing SLAPPED me LOFL! Ill never forget it. But in retrospect, she probably told her “daddy” a boy kissed her, when he asked how her day was at school and he told her to slap me LOL. I wouldnt blame him for such advice. Funy story looking back though, and I remember that as my first encounter with girls lol 😛

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Key Master,

We spoke about thus in another thread just a couple of days ago. About VERY VERY minor adjustments that are HUGELY noticeable.

Thats interesting. I missed that thread. Do you recall which one it was?

These points are all incredibly true. The PUA crap is just that: crap. Girls see through that s~~~ a mile away for two reasons:

1. Thats a game they themselves invented, and have been perfecting it since birth.

2. Most men TRY this s~~~ 10x a day on a decent looking girl. As such, again, they are more experienced in the art of bulls~~~ery.

Resident cynic.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@ancientwisdom Yes it started here

/forums/topic/single-mommies-and-their-mistake/page/2/

And then another thread was inspired by it here:

/forums/topic/mgtow-etiquette/

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Girls see through that s~~~ a mile away

As clueless as women are about THEMSELVES, the can be certainly more in tune with others. But their intuition sucks and they don’t use it to HELP anyone or TEACH anyone anything. They only apply it to THEMSELVES for their own survival and personal gain. A man will take his intuition and warn/teach other men “don’t listen to that crap, that’s all it is – an act”. But when a woman sense something, she doesn’t prepare or warn the male. She uses it to HARM him. Western women could help men get laid WAY more often , but they don’t. They deliberately steer men in the wrong direction.

It takes an intuitive man to teach another man about women.
Women’s initiution is just the result of millions of years of not thinking.

LOL! That reminds me of my FIRST encounter with girls. I was 3-5ish years old, watching BAMBI in preschool. This adorable girl named Karla was in my class…Why I was interested in girls at this age is beyond me. Anyway, I kissed her on the cheek.

I kissed our occasional housekeeper’s daughter in the dark basement ON THE LIPS when I was 5. She was a total SLUT. Easiest lay ever. (Can I say that here?) all she wanted to do when they were over was make out. I just wanted to be held and cuddled. I need to be needed for the person I am – INSIDE. 5 year old boys are not sex objects for Christ’s sake. I feel so used and objectified.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[ClintParticipant 331]

@keymaster

That’s in essence what I was getting at. All the reading that I did was not for building up my knowledge to become a good pick up artist or anything like that. What I learned was that the more I actually read and understood about the subject, the more I stripped away and unlearned the things that were programmed in me.

I still have yet to write an intro on here yet, but I’ll get around to it and talk about my pathetic, blue-pill stuff I did. I’m just thankful I started to adapt young instead of getting married and divorced multiple times before I learned.

Also, it’s hilarious that you post the picture of that PUA on here. I think he was the first person I started to learn from when I was ready to start taking the red pill. His youtube is RSDTyler. Some people think that being a good pick-up artist is the last step in conquering women or whatever you wanna call it. However, after learning about this, I would consider this AT LEAST the next logical step, if not the final step. The PUAs just pile other stuff on top of their blue pill-ness, where as the MGTOW’s get rid of it all.

PUAs learn, MGTOW UNlearn.

Also, the fatties that c~~~ block are the worst. They’d rather have all of their attractive friends suffer than admit they aren’t attractive in any form. Luckily, the attractive ones know how it works and will sneak away to talk to us sometimes anyway.

"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you into something else is the greatest accomplishment." -Ralph Waldo Emerson

[Anonymous 3]

Girls easily see through PUA bulls~~~. And it has very low success rates. The only reason it ever works is because a specific girl lets it work, because the pussy beggar played right into HER game.

If you illegalize birth control, stop welfare, stop all child support, remove all programs for single mothers and state subsidies because of children, I guarantee you overnight women will suddenly stop being irresponsible and “falling” for game.

Straight up, no BS, I guarantee you society reverts to the last time the state didn’t have all these subsidies and programs and benefits in place. History bears this out.

Women are far smarter and far more calculating than men even in the manosphere are willing to give them credit for. They are 3-4 steps ahead of virtually all men at all times, and have a deep, thorough understanding of all social rules, legal and otherwise, available to them at any time. They are acting this way because they can. It is to their benefit. They don’t ever have negative consequences, so they can take as many risks as they want and have any behavior that they want.

In any world where women are accountable for their own sexual decisions, they suddenly clam up, become “loyal” and refuse to have sex outside of marriage (i.e. commitment). The only women that do are prostitutes, who are the lowest class of women, and are very cheap because in that environment pussy has very little value.

Western society is engineered for female excess. It is an abomination, a complete abnormality.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

If you illegalize birth control, stop welfare, stop all child support, remove all programs for single mothers and state subsidies because of children, I guarantee you overnight women will suddenly stop being irresponsible and “falling” for game.

This is getting off topic but: I agree with much of what you say, but if the quoted above happened it wouldnt simply change everything overnight. The media, music, films, have ALL pushed female promiscuity for years. Were talking decades, and generations of slut training.

Im sure what you suggest would put a major dent in the problem, and begin steering things to the way they once were. But girls think slutting is now the female version of being a stud. Grown mothers appear to even compete their slutty outfits with their daughters. And they call it ‘cute’.

Resident cynic.

[Anonymous 3]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

If you illegalize birth control, stop welfare, stop all child support, remove all programs for single mothers and state subsidies because of children, I guarantee you overnight women will suddenly stop being irresponsible and “falling” for game.

This is getting off topic but: I agree with much of what you say, but if the quoted above happened it wouldnt simply change everything overnight. The media, music, films, have ALL pushed female promiscuity for years. Were talking decades, and generations of slut training. Im sure what you suggest would put a major dent in the problem, and begin steering things to the way they once were. But girls think slutting is now the female version of being a stud. Grown mothers appear to even compete their slutty outfits with their daughters. And they call it ‘cute’.

Difference of opinion there then my friend. I posit women would figure it out virtually overnight. Mainly because nature genetically imprinted them with the proper reactions for each economic cycle/legal environment. The female is very tricky and while appearing on the surface to be unintelligent and worthless, has a shocking ability for self preservation and social aptitude. I posit that social aptitude is not from actual mental ability, because women do not have that, but is pure instinct, and hence why it happens so quickly and is so difficult for men to keep pace with.

[qeeqoParticipant 1168]

When I was in high school. I was on a family retreat and in walks one of the most beautiful girls I had ever seen. We were boyfriend/girlfriend for 3 months. She broke up with me right before her family returned to Canada, and she needed a place to stay because she wanted to finish high School here. My parents invited her to stay with us. I was really excited cause I thought i might be able to get her back, instead she made out with her new boyfriend on our couch in front of me at night. I didn’t just sit there and watch but they were wrapped around each other every time I needed to p~~~ or get something to eat. That was my first experience with how women really are. It took me a long time to realize that what I’d been sold by the media and movies about women just wasn’t true. There is no happily ever after, just bankruptcy court, loss of assets, wages, children, restraining orders, accusations of domestic violence, and leaving your s~~~ out in the rain for 2 days because you can’t go to “her” property to retrieve it because of the mandatory restraining order.

 

That was just a hypergamy s~~~ test. Sounds like it got under your skin and moved in and furnished the place. My self worth isn’t contingent on women.

 

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Quueqo,

Thanks for sharing your story. Im not sure if the below was directed at me or not:

That was just a hypergamy s~~~ test. Sounds like it got under your skin and moved in and furnished the place. My self worth isn’t contingent on women.

If it is, then I dont know why you would say it “moved in and furnished the place”? Im simply looking back on my youth, from a more experienced and equipped position. Im pointing out the TACTICS of women; just like you sharing your story from a girl DECADES ago. I wouldnt assert that “MY self worth isnt contingent upon women” because you merely shared a story from years ago, and I dont see why you feel the need to state that to me.

The entire POINT of this thread is that women say crazy s~~~ to make you feel bad if they arent desired. It is NOT that Im “afraid” of girls lol. Honestly, when guys say things such as this, youre trying to tell me your better than me in some respect. Do you HONESTLY think Im afraid of women? Youre clearly missing the entire point and using it to assert yourself yet at one and the same time sharing your own story from decades ago that clearly affected you.

I could quip back “ah well, women dont effect me. Sorry you let a girl poison your mind for several decades. You must be weak”.

But I dont. Because that would be entirely missing the point of the thread, the forum as a whole, and would be a pot shot to one up myself as though Im stronger than you.

If that was the case, why would ANY of us share any experiences on here?

Resident cynic.

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4353]

The woman/girl didn’t get the reaction she wanted so she used shaming language.That’s a part of female ” relational  aggression”. Which is just another part of female behavior and psychology. I strongly suggest that all of us should study female psychology. As Sun Tsu said.Know your enemy”.I’m not saying that I’m an enemy of women but the vast majority of them are not true friends of men and most of them consider most men as either /and/or utilities or adversarys.

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[flightspaceSpectator 207]

For me i’ve been on both sides of the spectrum. In high school i was shy and nervous. Early in college i was like, over the top outgoing. The more i began to meet women, the less i began to fear them, but the more i began to understand them and who they were on the inside. There was this sort of honeymoon threshold inbetween where i had enough experience with women to realize i’d wrongly been idealizing them for years, but not enough to realize just the extent to which i’d idealize what was basically the scum of the earth. Now i’m back to being relatively antisocial but i’m not really the shy type, i just give girls dirty looks like, don’t f~~~ing talk to me. Its pretty easy to assume they’re terrible people and i’m not ashamed to resort to misogny as a time and energy saver.

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