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Actually, you are the one arguing. With yourself…
If you see gynocentrism as a system where the treatment of women is better than men, then sure you can argue that this is gynocentrism. BUt my argument is that gynocentrism is a system that lowers men in order to benefit women.
Both of those points are going on..but the bigger picture
The reality of our society will hit with the impact of a train. Then will the young man understand that patriarchy, gynocentrism, and feminism is all bull s~~~ words that are used to control the narrative.
So, you have a few of us making points, and many of them you don’t even address, you are all over the place
I’ll keep this simple. patriarchy = rise of empires. gynocentrism = fall of civilization.
Like seriously, stop with this slave morality thinking
Like seriously, f~~~ off. You mind your own scalp & don’t be telling me how to mind mine.
I am not here to satisfy you or anyone else, whether it’s arguing or not. You can expect whatever the hell you want, just not from me, because I can assure you, I aim to disappoint anyone that pulls that s~~~ on me.
If these words are such bull s~~~ why did you take the time out of your day to argue? I literally told you what this topic would be about by the title alone. If you want to just read multiple forum posts about “how much women suck” go to other posts, I wanted to discuss society.
You are the one typing your ass off. And I am literally telling you to f~~~ off. If you want to go worship the golden vagina, be my guest, but you are not doing it with me. Get the picture?
Cheers
Laughing out loud. Yes, I know what the definition of a resource is. It is not giving birth to a child.
LOL, I know you do…it was not intended for your benefit.
Edit: I am still laughing…made my day man!
Too funny…made my night.
Been busy cutting trees and dealing with trick or treat kids so wasn’t paying close attention.
Read this post and
Was just trying to help Morningstar understand what resource means. Was also trying to point out that his argument was about control. When someone uses patriarchy or gynocentrism terms in an argument they are trying to control a narrative to force their vision of bull s~~~.Peace brothers
Actually, you are the one arguing. With yourself…
If you see gynocentrism as a system where the treatment of women is better than men, then sure you can argue that this is gynocentrism. BUt my argument is that gynocentrism is a system that lowers men in order to benefit women.
Both of those points are going on..but the bigger picture
The reality of our society will hit with the impact of a train. Then will the young man understand that patriarchy, gynocentrism, and feminism is all bull s~~~ words that are used to control the narrative.
So, you have a few of us making points, and many of them you don’t even address, you are all over the place
I’ll keep this simple. patriarchy = rise of empires. gynocentrism = fall of civilization.
Like seriously, stop with this slave morality thinking
Like seriously, f~~~ off. You mind your own scalp & don’t be telling me how to mind mine.
I am not here to satisfy you or anyone else, whether it’s arguing or not. You can expect whatever the hell you want, just not from me, because I can assure you, I aim to disappoint anyone that pulls that s~~~ on me.
If these words are such bull s~~~ why did you take the time out of your day to argue? I literally told you what this topic would be about by the title alone. If you want to just read multiple forum posts about “how much women suck” go to other posts, I wanted to discuss society.
You are the one typing your ass off. And I am literally telling you to f~~~ off. If you want to go worship the golden vagina, be my guest, but you are not doing it with me. Get the picture?
Cheers
I’m arguing with myself? What? What is the bigger picture? Which points of yours have I not address and how am I all over the place? Sigh, I guess here comes the baseless and random accusations that typically occur when a person realizes they lost a argument. I mean, you’re the one whose coming on my post moron, not the other way around, so explain how I’m telling you how to act. Like seriously, this victimhood mentality is pathetic. You’re telling me to f~~~ off on a post I created in order to discuss human nature and two words. Lmao, you’re exactly the type of person turd flining monkey was talking about in his slave vs master morality video. You have this victim mentality and you’re the type of person that gives mgtow a bad name. You’re just like a feminist:
1. You look at society and just cry “gynocentrism” ignoring any biological reasoning for anything
2. When people engage you in argument (even arguments you started) you will cry that they are trying to tell you how to act aka victim hood mentality
3. When you realize you have been bested you call anyone who disagrees a vagina worshiper instead of actually thinking about errors in your reasoning, exactly what feminists do when they cry misogynistThis is just pathetic, I made this post to talk to actual intelligent mgtows, not whiny little over emotional kids who have victim mentality. Learn to talk right and quit iwth this slave morality s~~~, it’s utterly pathetic. And most of all, stop giving mgtow a bad name.
Laughing out loud. Yes, I know what the definition of a resource is. It is not giving birth to a child.
LOL, I know you do…it was not intended for your benefit.
Edit: I am still laughing…made my day man!
Too funny…made my night.
Been busy cutting trees and dealing with trick or treat kids so wasn’t paying close attention.
Read this post and
Was just trying to help Morningstar understand what resource means. Was also trying to point out that his argument was about control. When someone uses patriarchy or gynocentrism terms in an argument they are trying to control a narrative to force their vision of bull s~~~.I know what resources mean and I argued back. What’s your point? That’s the whole point of a forum. Was I just supposed to adopt your biased views without using any reasoning of my own? Also sure, when people use these terms they could be trying to force their narrative on others, hell, someone saying air could be using that word to force a narrative on someone. That doesn’t mean anything and that’s not a valid reason for why we shouldn’t discuss these things.
Anonymous3BUt my argument is that gynocentrism is a system that lowers men in order to benefit women. Is ISIS lowering men down in order to benefit women in this case?
Let us take a step back. Words exist to convey a meaning. If the definition of words changes the meaning, then it was not the meaning that changed. It was the word.
Take the word ‘water’. When you are thirsty, you don’t care about the word, but with the physical thing it represents. That is its meaning.
If someone was to discuss the real definition of water, do you care about it? You should, because usually people change definitions to their advantage!Gynocentrism is putting women in the center. Literally it is what the word stands for: gyno = feminine, center = the most important, and ism = doctrine.
If you say men have to be lowered to raise women, that is just one interpretation.
The fact remains, gynocentrism is women being more important than men.
Androcentrism would be men being more important than women.While feminism is just: femin = feminine and ism = doctrine.
Now look what the feminists do with this word:
“FEMINISM : a social theory or political movement which argues that legal and social restrictions on women must be removed in order to bring about equality of both sexes in all aspects of public and private life.”See what they did? They changed the definition to hide the meaning.
Feminism is about believing women to be above/better than man. And that is what you see, that is the real meaning and not that double-speak definition they sell us.
So, once again. Men killed, women spared. Where is the difference? In the gender! That is gynocentric.
How is it a long and productive life when the end result is death?
The end result of any life is death.
The difference is how long and how productive this life is. And when I say productive, I talk in terms of richness of experience and development.
Dying young is a tragedy because it steals the opportunity to have more experiences.
Life might be tragic, traumatic, sad or painful. But it is also surprisingly beautiful, peaceful, happy, loving and mysterious.
One cannot know one thing without the other.But isn’t it funny how men keep getting killed in wars while women “suffer”? Yet some will value their suffering over men’s death? How is that not gynocentrism?
Who said:
“Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children. Women are again the victims in crime and domestic violence as well.“BUt my argument is that gynocentrism is a system that lowers men in order to benefit women. Is ISIS lowering men down in order to benefit women in this case?
Let us take a step back. Words exist to convey a meaning. If the definition of words changes the meaning, then it was not the meaning that changed. It was the word.
Take the word ‘water’. When you are thirsty, you don’t care about the word, but with the physical thing it represents. That is its meaning.
If someone was to discuss the real definition of water, do you care about it? You should, because usually people change definitions to their advantage!Gynocentrism is putting women in the center. Literally it is what the word stands for: gyno = feminine, center = the most important, and ism = doctrine.
If you say men have to be lowered to raise women, that is just one interpretation.
The fact remains, gynocentrism is women being more important than men.
Androcentrism would be men being more important than women.While feminism is just: femin = feminine and ism = doctrine.
Now look what the feminists do with this word:
“FEMINISM : a social theory or political movement which argues that legal and social restrictions on women must be removed in order to bring about equality of both sexes in all aspects of public and private life.”See what they did? They changed the definition to hide the meaning.
Feminism is about believing women to be above/better than man. And that is what you see, that is the real meaning and not that double-speak definition they sell us.
So, once again. Men killed, women spared. Where is the difference? In the gender! That is gynocentric.
How is it a long and productive life when the end result is death?
The end result of any life is death.
The difference is how long and how productive this life is. And when I say productive, I talk in terms of richness of experience and development.
Dying young is a tragedy because it steals the opportunity to have more experiences.
Life might be tragic, traumatic, sad or painful. But it is also surprisingly beautiful, peaceful, happy, loving and mysterious.
One cannot know one thing without the other.But isn’t it funny how men keep getting killed in wars while women “suffer”? Yet some will value their suffering over men’s death? How is that not gynocentrism?
Who said:
“Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children. Women are again the victims in crime and domestic violence as well.“But the woman are being raped and sold as sex slaves. You can’t even try to pretend that this is putting women at the center. And at the end there, yes I agree with you, that is gynocentrism. But when talking about cows and bulls, the cow is only living it’s life to produce milk for the farmer and then to be slaughtered for meat. You can’t pretend that this is gynocentrism, when the woman are only being used as a means of a end for the farmer. If the cow is going to be slaugtered and is living it’s life in a metal box, undergoing painful injects, getting tattooed and beaten with a metal spike, is this gynocentrism? no. What you described where women’s feelings are put over men’s lives, yes that is gynocentrism. When women are protected from harm while men are thrown to the wolves, yes that is gynocentrism. Men being killed and women being raped as sex slaves is this gynocentrism? No. You can’t look at one half of the spectrum and expect it to interpret the entire meaning. Simply living doesn’t mean one’s life is of good quality.
Let’s say this: all men live homeless on the street but have long lives, women live in mansions where all their needs are met but they only live for 10 years. Would you say this is the opposite of gynocentrism? Would you say the men are privileged? No because they’re living in boxes. And vice versa, a woman living a long life as a sex slave isn’t gynocentrism because she is just a means to a end, her value isn’t being put over men.
Pro tip: men are better off now that women think that the government is patriarchal, will be their daddy, and will take care of their needs.
For every woman on the dole there is one less man on the hook. For us men it’s revenue neutral because the women that used to sit on their asses and have bon bon’s with each other are now at work paying the taxes the women on the dole munch up. Don’t forget their spawn.
So let the circle of taxes take off and this gives men a lot more freedom and less need to pay taxes. That means more time working off the books.
Basically women have pursued the feminist course have a boyfriend, daddy gob’ment, men are free to f~~~ who they please or not f~~~ who they despise.
But most of all they are free to pursue their dreams.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
Anonymous3I will say this now because I have been keeping my eyes on you for some time: you smell like tuna.
I first became suspicious by your own avatar. What MGTOW will chose a couple as an avatar?
Then your posts look like the typical infiltrated tuna. They always start with obvious and exaggerated repetitions of common ideas found in the forum, until they think they are “accepted” and start those manipulative posts intended to confuse issues.Look at this thread name “Gynocentrism and Patriarchy Explained”. So, you intended to re-frame the words “Gynocentrism” and “Patriarchy” for every MGTOW…
But surprisingly the new definition qualifies very little as Gynocentric and Patriarchy is seen as feminists see it: the male privilege and the male rule.Here is my take on it: I DO NOT WANT TO RULE WOMEN! I want nothing to do with patriarchy.
Patriarchy is nothing more than a sham to force men to take care of women, and take responsibility for their well-being.
I f~~~ing love feminism! Were in all mankind’s history did women say “I dont need men to take care of me”? That is the most stupid move they ever made. The only reason it works is because MEN ARE EVEN MORE STUPID, and like me, KEEP TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF WOMEN!Now lets see how your responses are clear tuna alert signals:
But the woman are being raped and sold as sex slaves. You can’t even try to pretend that this is putting women at the center.
You forget the part where I am comparing with the fate of men. Being raped or being killed… Being a slave or being dead…
For you it is always rape, RAPE, RAPE!For a feminist, white knight, or a women, RAPE is the worst thing in the world. RAPE IS EVEN WORST THAN THE DEATH OF … MEN
Now, when it comes for a women to decide between getting raped or die… We all know how it goes: “I will do anything, please dont kill me…”
So, again, it is easy to sacrifice men, but hard to sacrifice women’s feelings.How is this not gynocentrism?
But when talking about cows and bulls, the cow is only living it’s life to produce milk for the farmer and then to be slaughtered for meat. You can’t pretend that this is gynocentrism, when the woman are only being used as a means of a end for the farmer.
Again another tell sign of feminism. You confuse women’s situation with the exploitation of cows.
Because women are spared for their sex, they are exploited. Men are killed because they have nothing of value to offer, so it is not exploitation.We are not taking about exploitation, we are talking of value because of gender. By definition, IF YOU HAVE VALUE THEN PEOPLE WANT TO EXPLOIT YOU!
So, again, even under your feminist definition, this situation is gynocentric.
If the cow is going to be slaugtered and is living it’s life in a metal box, undergoing painful injects, getting tattooed and beaten with a metal spike, is this gynocentrism? no.
This is a generalization of a particular instance. While there are cows subjected to this treatment, most of them are not. In fact where I live all cows graze in pastures.
Second, equating the treatment of cows to the treatment of women is a clear failed feminist argumentation.
Let me explain this in another way: when we men say women are cows we dont actually mean it literally.Let’s say this: all men live homeless on the street but have long lives, women live in mansions where all their needs are met but they only live for 10 years. Would you say this is the opposite of gynocentrism? Would you say the men are privileged? No because they’re living in boxes.
Actually this is very close to reality. The majority of homeless people are men and women usually keep the family house after divorce. That is gynocentrism because women always have preferential treatment.
But your example is very telling: you cannot kill a women for an example, without first putting her in a mansion… That is why your example does not make sense.
Let me fix this for you:”Men are homeless while women are killed, is this androcentrism?”Yes! Better homeless than dead.
I will say this now because I have been keeping my eyes on you for some time: you smell like tuna
I thought the same thing Ghost but then I went back and read Morningstar’s profile and previous posts.
The reality is that he is a young boy. He hasn’t lived life yet. He only knows what he has read. He is highly intelligent but lacks real life experience. He has never had a wife or children. He hasn’t had his children taken. He hasn’t paid alimony or child support.
He calls it a shaming tactic. When in reality we are not equal. I have lived life. I have screwed up and made every mistake possible with a woman. I have stood on the edge of the cliff and made the decision to keep on living.
To him mgtow is a game. To the man in new Jersey that scaled the fence with his two children and leaped off the bridge mgtow might have been a life saving force.
He only knows the words he reads. He hasn’t lived his life yet. He thinks this is an argument where there is a winner and a loser. He doesn’t know that in our society men always lose. He might think he knows it but come back in thirty years and then we will discuss resources. By the way Morningstar, a resource is money. A woman gets the resource. Hope you have a bunch.
Peace brothers
Anonymous3He only knows the words he reads. He hasn’t lived his life yet. He thinks this is an argument where there is a winner and a loser.
You are right.
Intrinsically words themselves don’t matter to the individual. Who cares what you call s~~~ty behaviour against you. Its always s~~~ty.
On the other hand, words matter as a society and they matter when you still think they matter, because other people can justify just about anything by manipulating words and meanings.
Yes, he still needs the painfull lessons of life on one side. But in the other, he is smart enough to be is MGTOW already. I wish I knew these things when I was young.
Let us drop the war hachette.
Let us ear Morning_star say that he is an honorable man and not a deceitful c~~~.
Women are a dried up resource, not to mention they are expensive to use. Simply put in my view if we spent even a small portion of the resources we throw at women. Into research related to the artificial womb we need not pay for women’s s~~~ ever again.
Apart from that I would say this is some rather good ground work, nice job.
A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!
To put it simply, the so call “Patriarchy” benefit women more then men even when men contribute more, hence it is Geocentric.
Women cannot produce as good value as men can. Consider what value women produce, what both men and women suffer through, women get the better deal.
women are abducted to sold as sex slave? Men have to save her or lose his wife / daughter / mother, or they are killed in the abduction process.
The majority of men are suffering by going to war for the benefit of a minority of elites, and women don’t have to suffer that.
Men have to do worst job, more dangerous job, soul crushing job, fight in war for the minority elites.While under the “Patriarchy” women get a job that let her choose what time to work, less stressful and heavy job, get to stay with their children,
There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.
if we spent even a small portion of the resources we throw at women. Into research related to the artificial womb we need not pay for women’s s~~~ ever again.
It works for me, because I can’t afford how expensive the toll is that women have extracted from me throughout my life.
Spent over 16 yrs in all being married…it was a catastrophe in every way…
Especially financially.
Anonymous2WTF does this rape/being killed analogy have anything to do with gynocentrism? That’s more along the lines of what clashing cultures do when one overtakes another.
Western society is gynocentric because it places more value on women than men in every aspect. Men are sent to fight and die in wars, while women get to stay home and have their biggest worry be what somebody said about them on Facebook. Women have a free pass on domestic abuse. Women have a vast number of government funded services for health care just for them, while men have none. Nearly 90% of the homeless population is men, but 90% of homeless shelters are for women. Men serve triple the amount of jail time as women for the same crimes, and women are far more likely to not be charged with a crime in situations where men will be charged in the blink of an eye. Fathers have basically zero rights and are treated as nothing but walking ATM machines in the lives of their children. 97% of alimony payers are men paying women. Women can falsely accuse a man of rape, and even if they get caught lying, there is no more than a slap on the wrist for a penalty, while the man’s life is destroyed.
We ALWAYS expect men to risk their safety and well-being, as well as fork over their resources for the benefit of women. There is absolutely no situation where we expect women to sacrifice their safety and well-being for the benefit of men!
THAT is what makes society gynocentric!
As far as children being resources, that is bulls~~~ unless you are referring to resources for society (as in consumers). Children are not a resource for their parents. Children cost money from the minute they are born until the minute they leave home and go out into the working world. All the way through college, kids are costing you money. You aren’t getting any kind of financial or material gain from that. After they graduate college, they strike out on their own, get their own place, and maybe start their own family. If you were referring to the old days, when kids would leave school by the age of 9 to help out on the farm, you might have a point. In the modern day world, kids are expected to stay in school all the way through college, so that no longer applies.
Right on Murph well put. We live in a gynocentric world.
Even under Sharia women are valued more than men. You can see it in the village attacks by Boko Haram in Africa where all the boys were killed and the girls were taken prisoner (we are led to believe as sex slaves but probably more as house maids to women).
There is still outrage in the media a year later that these girls were taken hostage and still no statement about how the boys were slaughtered by being shot, machete’d and burnt alive. All boys, none survived.
The world is gynocentric and Hitlary will be the first superpower to flex the feminist muscle, Hitlary hates men and will likely adopt feminist foreign policy like Sweden has just adopted.
In feminist foreign policy nothing takes back seat to the elevation of women over men in every aspect of government in any nation that the US does business with.
http://www.government.se/government-policy/feminist-foreign-policy/
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
I will say this now because I have been keeping my eyes on you for some time: you smell like tuna.
I first became suspicious by your own avatar. What MGTOW will chose a couple as an avatar?
Then your posts look like the typical infiltrated tuna. They always start with obvious and exaggerated repetitions of common ideas found in the forum, until they think they are “accepted” and start those manipulative posts intended to confuse issues.Look at this thread name “Gynocentrism and Patriarchy Explained”. So, you intended to re-frame the words “Gynocentrism” and “Patriarchy” for every MGTOW…
But surprisingly the new definition qualifies very little as Gynocentric and Patriarchy is seen as feminists see it: the male privilege and the male rule.Here is my take on it: I DO NOT WANT TO RULE WOMEN! I want nothing to do with patriarchy.
Patriarchy is nothing more than a sham to force men to take care of women, and take responsibility for their well-being.
I f~~~ing love feminism! Were in all mankind’s history did women say “I dont need men to take care of me”? That is the most stupid move they ever made. The only reason it works is because MEN ARE EVEN MORE STUPID, and like me, KEEP TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF WOMEN!Now lets see how your responses are clear tuna alert signals:
But the woman are being raped and sold as sex slaves. You can’t even try to pretend that this is putting women at the center.
You forget the part where I am comparing with the fate of men. Being raped or being killed… Being a slave or being dead…
For you it is always rape, RAPE, RAPE!For a feminist, white knight, or a women, RAPE is the worst thing in the world. RAPE IS EVEN WORST THAN THE DEATH OF … MEN
Now, when it comes for a women to decide between getting raped or die… We all know how it goes: “I will do anything, please dont kill me…”
So, again, it is easy to sacrifice men, but hard to sacrifice women’s feelings.How is this not gynocentrism?
But when talking about cows and bulls, the cow is only living it’s life to produce milk for the farmer and then to be slaughtered for meat. You can’t pretend that this is gynocentrism, when the woman are only being used as a means of a end for the farmer.
Again another tell sign of feminism. You confuse women’s situation with the exploitation of cows.
Because women are spared for their sex, they are exploited. Men are killed because they have nothing of value to offer, so it is not exploitation.We are not taking about exploitation, we are talking of value because of gender. By definition, IF YOU HAVE VALUE THEN PEOPLE WANT TO EXPLOIT YOU!
So, again, even under your feminist definition, this situation is gynocentric.
If the cow is going to be slaugtered and is living it’s life in a metal box, undergoing painful injects, getting tattooed and beaten with a metal spike, is this gynocentrism? no.
This is a generalization of a particular instance. While there are cows subjected to this treatment, most of them are not. In fact where I live all cows graze in pastures.
Second, equating the treatment of cows to the treatment of women is a clear failed feminist argumentation.
Let me explain this in another way: when we men say women are cows we dont actually mean it literally.Let’s say this: all men live homeless on the street but have long lives, women live in mansions where all their needs are met but they only live for 10 years. Would you say this is the opposite of gynocentrism? Would you say the men are privileged? No because they’re living in boxes.
Actually this is very close to reality. The majority of homeless people are men and women usually keep the family house after divorce. That is gynocentrism because women always have preferential treatment.
But your example is very telling: you cannot kill a women for an example, without first putting her in a mansion… That is why your example does not make sense.
Let me fix this for you:”Men are homeless while women are killed, is this androcentrism?”Yes! Better homeless than dead.
Notice how you’re literally calling me a tuna because I have a different opinion than you, exactly like feminists who cry patriarchy and misogyny each time someone disagrees with her. Also, my profile pic isn’t even a couple you idiot, it’s the same damn person on both sides you idiot. It’s like, you’re trying so hard to call me a tuna because I disagreed with you, it’s pathetic. Also I never said rape was the worse thing that can happen. It’s like you possess this slave morality and with the sjw oppression scale. I wasn’t saying that the men were getting better off than the male nor was I saying that the women were getting the worse deal, I was simply saying that you can’t call it gynocentrism you dumb ass. There’s a difference between a woman getting a better deal where she still is getting hurt v.s. gynocentrism idiot. I’m not even going to respond to this point by point because the rest of it is just ranting.
I will say this now because I have been keeping my eyes on you for some time: you smell like tuna
I thought the same thing Ghost but then I went back and read Morningstar’s profile and previous posts.
The reality is that he is a young boy. He hasn’t lived life yet. He only knows what he has read. He is highly intelligent but lacks real life experience. He has never had a wife or children. He hasn’t had his children taken. He hasn’t paid alimony or child support.
He calls it a shaming tactic. When in reality we are not equal. I have lived life. I have screwed up and made every mistake possible with a woman. I have stood on the edge of the cliff and made the decision to keep on living.
To him mgtow is a game. To the man in new Jersey that scaled the fence with his two children and leaped off the bridge mgtow might have been a life saving force.
He only knows the words he reads. He hasn’t lived his life yet. He thinks this is an argument where there is a winner and a loser. He doesn’t know that in our society men always lose. He might think he knows it but come back in thirty years and then we will discuss resources. By the way Morningstar, a resource is money. A woman gets the resource. Hope you have a bunch.
You’re a dumb ass m8. THis is the typical shaming tactic and you know it is. If a old woman in her 80s came up to you and said the same s~~~ you would be crying that it was a shaming tactic. So are cows not resources you dumb ass? It’s almost like you have no clue where biological gynocentrism comes for, or maybe you’re just someone who comes on this site to read countless posts of people agreeing with you so any argumetns that deviate from you, you respond with the typical shaming tactics and the typical “i have experience”. Like, go read a f~~~ing biology book please.
To put it simply, the so call “Patriarchy” benefit women more then men even when men contribute more, hence it is Geocentric.
Women cannot produce as good value as men can. Consider what value women produce, what both men and women suffer through, women get the better deal.
women are abducted to sold as sex slave? Men have to save her or lose his wife / daughter / mother, or they are killed in the abduction process.
The majority of men are suffering by going to war for the benefit of a minority of elites, and women don’t have to suffer that.
Men have to do worst job, more dangerous job, soul crushing job, fight in war for the minority elites.While under the “Patriarchy” women get a job that let her choose what time to work, less stressful and heavy job, get to stay with their children,
Slave morality, nobody was arguing that the men are having a better deal. Stop thinking on a sjw oppression scale and actually acknowledge the argument.
WTF does this rape/being killed analogy have anything to do with gynocentrism? That’s more along the lines of what clashing cultures do when one overtakes another.
Western society is gynocentric because it places more value on women than men in every aspect. Men are sent to fight and die in wars, while women get to stay home and have their biggest worry be what somebody said about them on Facebook. Women have a free pass on domestic abuse. Women have a vast number of government funded services for health care just for them, while men have none. Nearly 90% of the homeless population is men, but 90% of homeless shelters are for women. Men serve triple the amount of jail time as women for the same crimes, and women are far more likely to not be charged with a crime in situations where men will be charged in the blink of an eye. Fathers have basically zero rights and are treated as nothing but walking ATM machines in the lives of their children. 97% of alimony payers are men paying women. Women can falsely accuse a man of rape, and even if they get caught lying, there is no more than a slap on the wrist for a penalty, while the man’s life is destroyed.
We ALWAYS expect men to risk their safety and well-being, as well as fork over their resources for the benefit of women. There is absolutely no situation where we expect women to sacrifice their safety and well-being for the benefit of men!
THAT is what makes society gynocentric!
As far as children being resources, that is bulls~~~ unless you are referring to resources for society (as in consumers). Children are not a resource for their parents. Children cost money from the minute they are born until the minute they leave home and go out into the working world. All the way through college, kids are costing you money. You aren’t getting any kind of financial or material gain from that. After they graduate college, they strike out on their own, get their own place, and maybe start their own family. If you were referring to the old days, when kids would leave school by the age of 9 to help out on the farm, you might have a point. In the modern day world, kids are expected to stay in school all the way through college, so that no longer applies.
It’s almost liek you people aren’t going to actually acknowledge the argument and instead rely on shaming tactics and straw man. If a woman came to this site and said the same thing you know you would acknowledge this for the fallacy that it is. Stop thinking on the oppression scale of who is the bigger victim and actually go read a biology text book.
Right on Murph well put. We live in a gynocentric world.
Even under Sharia women are valued more than men. You can see it in the village attacks by Boko Haram in Africa where all the boys were killed and the girls were taken prisoner (we are led to believe as sex slaves but probably more as house maids to women).
There is still outrage in the media a year later that these girls were taken hostage and still no statement about how the boys were slaughtered by being shot, machete’d and burnt alive. All boys, none survived.
The world is gynocentric and Hitlary will be the first superpower to flex the feminist muscle, Hitlary hates men and will likely adopt feminist foreign policy like Sweden has just adopted.
In feminist foreign policy nothing takes back seat to the elevation of women over men in every aspect of government in any nation that the US does business with.
http://www.government.se/government-policy/feminist-foreign-policy/
Nobody was denying that the world we live in today is gynocentric. I was merely explaining the definition of the two words, and instead of actually arguing with my points I get met with strawmans and groupthink mentality.
I guess I’ll stick with the mgtow forum on reddit, because there you can actually argue with people and learn new things about biology and the manosphere, unlike on here where people seem more interested in having more people agree with them than actually learning something knew. This is basically the same mentality of the Salem witch trial anytime someone says anything that deviates from your views/the norms, you cry “tuna, tuna, burn the tuna alive”. This is just pathetic, I was hoping to actually learn something new and get a different viewpoint to the matter, instead all the arguments seem to rely on the sjw oppression scale logic, and shaming language.
You’re a dumb ass m8. THis is the typical shaming tactic and you know it is. If a old woman in her 80s came up to you and said the same s~~~ you would be crying that it was a shaming tactic. So are cows not resources you dumb ass? It’s almost like you have no clue where biological gynocentrism comes for, or maybe you’re just someone who comes on this site to read countless posts of people agreeing with you so any argumetns that deviate from you, you respond with the typical shaming tactics and the typical “i have experience”. Like, go read a f~~~ing biology book please.
Thank you for responding Morning Star. This allows me to understand better where your mental maturity level is at.
If you were a 40 ish year old man I would be silent. But, since you are young I will try as gently as I can to explain.
I do not have to go to reddit to learn. I don’t have to go to twitter, Facebook, you tube or a feminist rally.
I don’t have to go read a biology book because I already have. I graduated from college with a mechanical engineering degree years ago. I have been fortunate enough to have been involved in the building of an industry with other men.
An old man once whispered in my ear, “he’ll help you if you let him.”
You might think it is shaming but the truth is I am fifty something years old and I have children that are older than you. It’s not a shaming tactic it’s a fact.
Now about this cow s~~~. A cow is a resource. A woman is not a resource. End of discussion.
Go back and read your post. But, insert the word money where you have resource.
The only way you make sense is if the man is a pimp and the woman is a prostitute.
I am an asshole piece of s~~~. You have to understand that you are the person raging against the man. You’re blood pressure is sky rocketing over nothing. And I really don’t care what your definition is of me.
Good luck
Peace brothers
Anonymous3Notice how you’re literally calling me a tuna because I have a different opinion than you, exactly like feminists who cry patriarchy and misogyny each time someone disagrees with her.
I think I provided reasons… Disagreement is actually interesting, because we where doing such a nice discussion, and I was enjoying it. But eventually I noticed where you where going, and it appeared to be that classic tuna refraining of words.
I also noticed that you failed to say “I am not a deceitful c~~~”. Instead you lash out…
Also, my profile pic isn’t even a couple you idiot, it’s the same damn person on both sides you idiot. It’s like, you’re trying so hard to call me a tuna because I disagreed with you, it’s pathetic.
Dont be so hard on me, I am just an old guy that looks at a drawing of two people touching their head in loving manner and thinks they must be an heterosexual couple. It doesnt occur to me an homosexual couple or a autosexual couple, go figure…
Not that I have anything against homosexuals or autosexuals…
And also in my old men view the right drawing appears to have a collar around the neck and a feminine posture… How was I to figure that it was a guy, or even the same guy?
The uni-sexism of these kind of drawings doesnt make my life easy. Sorry for confusing it!
I was simply saying that you can’t call it gynocentrism you dumb ass. There’s a difference between a woman getting a better deal where she still is getting hurt v.s. gynocentrism idiot. I’m not even going to respond to this point by point because the rest of it is just ranting.
There is a difference between getting hurt and getting KILLED! If that difference is about being a female, then its gynocentrism.
F~~~ it! Do you chose to die of infection or lose your leg? Do you chose to die of cancer or endure painful chemotherapy? Isnt one better than the other? WILL YOU NOT CHOSE TO LIVE, EVEN IF IN PAIN?
I dont know why you are calling me an idiot when you cannot see this simple notion.
You are the one that is taking the definition of a word to literally and in a reductive way. It smells like an agenda, if you ask me.
Fillet mignon, medium well is a resource.
Fillet mignon is good.C~~~ mignon, medium well is not a resource.
But, if I was hungry enough I guess I’d eat that bitch.Hunger goes a long way.
F~~~ it, I guess you’re right, bitches can be a resource.Peace brothers
To put it simply, the so call “Patriarchy” benefit women more then men even when men contribute more, hence it is Geocentric.
Women cannot produce as good value as men can. Consider what value women produce, what both men and women suffer through, women get the better deal.
women are abducted to sold as sex slave? Men have to save her or lose his wife / daughter / mother, or they are killed in the abduction process.
The majority of men are suffering by going to war for the benefit of a minority of elites, and women don’t have to suffer that.
Men have to do worst job, more dangerous job, soul crushing job, fight in war for the minority elites.While under the “Patriarchy” women get a job that let her choose what time to work, less stressful and heavy job, get to stay with their children,
Slave morality, nobody was arguing that the men are having a better deal. Stop thinking on a sjw oppression scale and actually acknowledge the argument.
Define slave morality. I fail to see comparing the value that men / women produce and what they go through is slave morality. I don’t think you understand what it mean.
Your topic is Gynocentrism and Patriarchy, hence which gender have the better deal matters in the argument.
There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.
Anonymous3F~~~ it, I guess you’re right, bitches can be a resource.
Are you comparing women to cows? Are you saying that you might eat them if hungry enough? How could you display such androcentric behavior?
Wait a minute, it is not androcentric because you were HUNGRY! Since you are not confortable it does not matter if you kill women just because they are women, ITS NOT SEXISM!
Wait a minute, since you get food at the expense of a woman, then its sexism again!
How could you display such androcentric behavior?
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