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Looks like the supporters are turning away from the dictator in chief. Well at least when it comes to “global warming”
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind
I personally don’t worry about global warming too much, I figure the global warming that’s more likely is a nuclear war for control. There’s no dispute on violence fueled greed.
Courage is the key to life itself - Morgan Freeman
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Being an old guy, I remember when it was called ‘nuclear winter’, all the industrial crap in the air was going to block sunlight, causing a new ice age. Now it’s just Man Caused Climate Change. (note usage of the ‘M’ word) Climate change is just a secular religion designed for the purpose of redistribution of wealth.
My only thought regarding climate change is: IF humans caused it, I bet we can figure out a way to fix it. The question is, is it worth the effort to bother?
Also I wouldn’t mind having an accurate and reliable weather forecast for next week, never mind 10/20/50 years from now. So get on that science.
I think what they are really after is yet another way to control our lives, make us pay taxes, just to general government things to us.
You sir are correct
Global warming (which began some 50 yrs ago, will continue into the early 2030s, then it will cool. The politicians driving the agenda(and gaining power)will take credit for ending “man made global warming” and will become all the more powerful.
THEY WIN EITHER WAY(quite brilliant). Global warming is real, but the the man made part is the hoax. You will find that this nightmare is quite similar to feminism:
Woman hits a man
1) he doesn’t defend himself, and is a coward
2) he defends himself and is now a criminal
She wins either way
Sebastian
"We can no more stop him from marrying than we can stop him from making a well researched decision to poke his eyes out with a stick."
-Sidecar
Anonymous13a bunch of vaginas are warming the planet
so they are 38% wrong as far as they even know…so 38% of what they do know – regarding the global temperature of years on this planet – 38% of those were warmer
I have an essay, nearly like my own a research paper, that I wrote for a comp 2 class on global warming. I was going to copy some of my best points and paste them here. When I find it, I’ll do just that, right here on in this forum under your topic.
So as an update looks like there has been over 300 miles of arctic ice created in the last three years.
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind
Al Gore is worth 200 million now. Most people don’t know that.
I’m a chemist in college and I can tell you that
Sounds like the girls who say, “I’m a psychology major so I KNOW what I am right”. If you have an argument to present, then present it. Global warming is as much of a hoax as the liberal “college” you are attending.
Most people own way more than they could ever need or use. Something to think about.
Who anointed you to make this decision? You seem to have a lot of opinions about what others should and shouldn’t be doing. Do you NEED a computer, with all those electronic parts, that will just end up in the landfill?
*sheesh*
I’m a chemist in college
I stopped reading right there. Yes, Ive been to college, and graduated, but you CLEARLY dont think for yourself.
Did you know third world countries are requesting $1 Billion a year from the U.S. for “reperations” of ‘global warming’? Wtf about countries like China who pollute EXPONENTIALLY more than us? They dont give a f~~~.
This is nothing more than a money and power grab. If you cant see through it, youre part of the problem. Seriously.
Ahh yes, an American president is for spending $1 Billion of OUR tax dollars, even though were in debt, to stop “pollution” even though were a drop in the bucket of world pollution compared to China.
Money and power. Thats all this is.
The global warming alarmists were proven hacks when their internal emails came out and they said they had to fabricate their numbers.
Idiots without a cause. Just like feminism.
Move a long now…
Resident cynic.
Here are some details about the various climate data models that are in use and how the data is manipulated.
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind
Anonymous29While this may not effect our or next generation . . . .
I do not want to get into any heated discussions about global warming but to all nay sayer’s, please answer & explain some questions.Why are polar ice caps melting at an unprecedented rate and which is still accelerating causing sea levels to rise ?
What will happen when ice caps virtually disappear ?
Why are the ocean currents being changed while killing of sealife ?ps : I seem to remember, not the same story but a similar one happening in the finance sector not so long ago. Politicians and lobbyists running around
changing laws and spreading misinformation saying all was fine with the financial institutions. Really ? If all was ok why was there a near world wide financial crash 2006-2009 ? I do remember that YOU the taxpayer had to and still are paying for the bail out’s.The most likely scenario is, that what the mainstream media is telling you is the opposite of what is actually happening on the ground so to speak.
I would not trust them as far as I could throw an elephant.DRS_au I would like to give a few answers to your questions and posit a few of my own.
Why are polar ice caps melting at an unprecedented rate and which is still accelerating causing sea levels to rise ?
The earth has been through many different kinds of weather patterns and we as humans have only been around for the smallest fraction of time. We are assuming that the polar ice melting is caused by our direct influence which is almost certainly as wrong as believing that the world was flat or that the universe revolved around this tiny planet of ours.
Is the Polar Ice melting? We are being told it is but very few of us have the time and equipment necessary to judge if that is really happening. The real question here is not what is happening but why, Are humans truly responsible for this “Shift” in the global climate. I have to say no mostly because there is virtually no change to the global climate. Additionally every prediction made about global warming or global cooling has been wrong. You may recall that prior to Global warming we were headed to an Ice age and only regulation could save us, much like the mantra today. I am not saying that humanity has no impact on the environment but that we are giving ourselves far more credit than we deserve for being able to affect the weather.
Additionally how do we know that the Ice is melting at an unprecedented rate? we have very little data to go on and those statements almost never try to take into account the data from the ice cores themselves, it is based on the satellite images and sometimes not even on that. I seem to remember hearing that the Ice on the asian mountains was supposed to be completely gone due to global warming but when they actually looked it was not gone and there was evidence of more ice than before.Asian Mountains
Additionally Antarctic Sea Ice is Gaining and has hit record levels. Antarctic ice
What will happen when ice caps virtually disappear ?
I am not qualified to actually make that assessment in whole and I doubt anyone else is able to say with certainty exactly what would happen. At best I can say it would be very different if it happens.
Why are the ocean currents being changed while killing of sealife ?
I have to ask the same type of question here, Are the Ocean Currents being changed and if so why? Do humans actually have anything to do with the changing of Ocean Currents or are they changing for some other reason. How can we in good conscience make assumptions and then try to “Fix” it all the while we may be doing exactly the opposite as what is needed. Case in point the barred owl which the experts said needed old growth forest to survive but reality has shown that this is not the case. I like this quote
“If you read about barred owls in the textbooks, it says they need large stands of old-growth forest to survive,” notes University of North Carolina at Charlotte ecologist and ornithologist Rob Bierregaard, who has directed the six-year-old research study. “Either the barred owls in Charlotte haven’t read that book or the book is wrong, because they are really here and apparently doing quite well.”
So specifically on the ocean currents the IPCC has found that these Ocean current oscillate every decade or so. Ocean Currents
Ocean temp change a natural phenomenon?
While I do not believe any of this to be a reason for anyone to change their views without doing their own research and actually staying away from the main stream media since as you pointed out so correctly that
The most likely scenario is, that what the mainstream media is telling you is the opposite of what is actually happening on the ground so to speak.
Hopefully you can see that with so much research at odds with each other and the clergy of climate change admitting to modifying data and in some cases outright lying that there are those of us who are not convinced that the green messiah is the only way to go.
P.S. for more on the lies read previous posts in this thread.
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind
So from my understanding, this is the state of things
1) Is global climate change real and a fact ? Yes, very much so.
2) Is global warming real and a fact ? No idea. At the moment, it seems to be just a hypothesis.
3) Should we take steps to reduce pollution, use more efficient utilities and use alternative energy sources ? Yes, absolutely.1) In the semantic war, no, it is not real in the sense that other people use this term. Yes it is real when speaking about global variations in average temperature, but keep in mind this term has been politicized to almost exclusively imply human causation.
2) Yes, and so is global cooling, these are statements of observation, not hypothesis. But again, this word has been politicized to refer to an ´unmistakable´ trend towards the warming of the global average temperature. The hypothesis is that humans are directly responsible, but this is seen as a foregone conclusion.
3) Depends. Does it make sense to swap out all your cheap sources of cleaner-burning ´dirty´ power for the construction of expensive, resource-heavy, ´clean´ windmills that can not be relied to supply base-load power? In other words, how ´clean´ are these new technologies when you choose to factor in the environmental cost for their development, mass production and shelf-life sustainability? Sure there are other options besides windmill, but each have their own unique environmental and financial burdens too.
You see the long term issue is not about being sustainable for nature. It is about negatively affecting the economy by making electricity an expensive commodity – wrecking small and large businesses/industries which can not afford to function at competitive levels with these ´clean´ prices.
HOWEVER On this theme, I agree that we need to stop pollution. Why? For our ecosystem, for our own living standards, lots of reasons. BUT, this can be done best by organizing communities in your own local area at the grass roots level to petition against organizations polluting around you.
The worst aspect about this global warming facade is that it has ultimately given a large banner to march under, and more than ensured the ´environmentalists´ distance from those who could really help them on the local level – those who already know something is fishy with the global warming science. Why is this so important? Because:
1) Most of those following under the larger banner follow to look good among their gynocracy,
2) then the least among them follow and are side-tracked from local issues to go follow their world crusade, and finally
3) those of us who are convinced against human caused global warming could use our minds to trigger environmental activism at the local level, working against industries and businesses which pollute in our communities. But alas, we inherently stay away from such activities because it means we have to get along with all global warming activist church and left-wing influenced organizations i.e. greenpeace, etc.Favourite books on the subject:
Michael Crichton – State of Fear
http://www.amazon.com/State-Fear-Michael-Crichton/dp/0061782661/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1445774961&sr=8-1&keywords=michael+crichton+state+of+fear
Being so phased by the global warming movement, it took me a long time to get around to reading this book. I wish I had read it a lot earlier. It is truly a -thrilling- read, and gives you a taste of the darker sides of the environmental movement.Roger Scruton – How to Think Seriously About the Planet: The Case for an Environmental Conservatism
http://www.amazon.com/Think-Seriously-About-Planet-Environmental/dp/0199371245/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1445775136&sr=8-1&keywords=roger+scruton+climate
Don´t let the C-word scare you on this one. Scruton gives a valuable description of how the politics intertwine with reality, and more about what I have been talking about – the importance of environmental activism at the local political level. In fact I would go so far as to say that the larger political movement was created to stifle this kind of local activism.Yet another study that the ice is growing not shrinking in Antarctica, this one surprisingly by NASA. I find it amusing that they said that even though the ice is growing not shrinking their hypothesis is still correct despite data that contradicts them.
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind
I get so heated (pun intended) over this issue that I almost didnt start reading this thread. Only on my first page but most of you agree global warming is bs. You guys never cease to dissapoint!
There is a lot of hype in Global Warming as a “movement”, but most of the people that deny
I just love how people with liberal views frame the hoax…I mean ” debate”. If you call out the utter hysteria of global warming then your a “denier”. They equate you with someone who believes the earth is flat. Literally!
This is the biggest hoax in attempt to tax and control thats ever existed. Ive seen articles from global warming effects your sex life to world apocolypse and everything in between. The liberals in the US want to use this as a means to hand over our soverignty on many issues to the UN, to tax America annually and give it to third world countries.
This is the biggest hoax ever. It used to be global cooling. Now its warming. Now a study came out that the ice caps are growing…So wtf?
The earth goes through cyclical changes, but there measuresments are so fabricated to try and make it appear were causing an era of warming. Even some well respected liberal scientists have come out and said this.
And if your in college studying science then why am I not surprised their teaching you how serious it is. Utter BS.
Resident cynic.
I don’t give a s~~~ about this…..why should I suffer or pay more taxes to stop this when China builds 50 new coal plants a year? I will be long dead before things get that bad.
Let the female ruling class care, I don’t.
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Gah. So much to comment on.
We have evidence of a cycle of recent Ice Ages in our planet’s history. There’s a fairly good chance that we’re coming out of an Ice Age right now, and that the planet is warming. We had nothing to do with the other cycle of ice ages / warming periods; it is not reasonable to believe we have anything to do with this cycle. As noted, we are not responsible for the overwhelming amount of C02 in the system, and it’s pretty clear that CO2 levels were much, much higher in the past. There have been medieval warming and cooling periods; we had nothing to do with those.
I find at least some of this is a secular desperation that we are in fact such important little snowflakes that we are capable of changing the Earth’s climate. As well as a feminist hatred of capitalism, which, luckily, China and Russia (and to some extent India and Brazil) are simply f~~~ing ignorning, as well they should.
It’s pretty clear NOAA’s been faking data. The government fakes lots of statistics, from unemployment to inflation, so this shouldn’t be a surprise.
As an economist, subsidizing wind and solar power is a tremendous, tremendous mistake. Subsidized products tend to lag in efficiency. If wind and solar become cheaper than oil and coal, awesome – we’ll use them then. If we subsidize these products, then they will not become more efficient. That said, Germany and Denmark have invested heavily in wind power for relatively sane reasons as regards energy independence and balance of payments. This may or may not make sense, but at least there is a logic to it of sorts. China is investing in wind for what seem to be similarly sane reasons. Lower labor and installation costs do make wind cheaper.
That said, just as climate models have too many variables to be useful, really, so do economics models. More efficient power plants and whatnot lead to cheaper oil and gas (spot price for oil is in the 40s) . . . which makes everyone who invested in wind look really, really f~~~ing stupid at the moment.
As noted, the main source of energy on the planet is a) the sun, and b) geothermal activity. Our paltry contributions to Earth’s energy I seem to recall are below 1/100th of a percentage point. Again, so much of this to me seems to relate to a pathological condition of humanists: lacking God, they must make gods of themselves so that they can face the Darkness. We are not that important climactically, and I’ve had environmentalists become hysterical over these points in a way, that many others have pointed out, that seems *really* religious.
To me, all of this is a distraction from the real issues facing society.
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I suspect that the left is using this issue to gain more power and control.
Does anyone remember when “climate change” was “global warming” and we had to endure all those tedious reports about the Polar Ice Caps melting?
“The Polar bears are dying!”
“”Coastal cities are under water!”
Now the Polar Ice Caps have returned to normal.
And President Obama was just asking for more Ice Breaker ships for our Northern territory. Oops!
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