Global Warming or Not

[GoneGaltParticipant 361]

Wow! That was harsh on my part but last night I ran across yet another article on the fabrication involved in the temperature readings and I went off the deep end. I am not sorry but I generally don’t rant that hard, and at least I was honest. I just cannot tolerate the level of dishonesty I see in a lot of important issues these days, including anthropogenic global warming.

[GoneGaltParticipant 361]

Crap! I forgot to add the link to the story …

http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/09/more-evidence-of-climate-data-tampering-by-noaa/

[Lazarus LongParticipant 365]

This is a little older but has some good stuff in it. I did not see it posted but if it was I missed it. http://icecap.us/index.php/go/new-and-cool/statement_of_patrick_moore_phd_before_the_senate_environment_and_public_wor/

One of the most telling things I got from this was that “When modern life evolved over 500 million years ago, CO2 was more than 10 times higher than today, yet life flourished at this time. Then an Ice Age occurred 450 million years ago when CO2 was 10 times higher than today.” -Patrick Moore

EDIT: Also this has frequent updates http://icecap.us

Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind

[rainydaykidParticipant 42]

My gear post is up in my backpacking thread under Sports & Leisure. Been relaxing in Waynesboro VA the last couple of weeks, as the Appalachian Trail there was under a foot of snow, and while I can make snowshoes, the going is still slow as hell. Headed out this Sunday.

 

Been doing work for stay at people’s houses in towns, I’m handy with tools and can do all sorts of construction and renovation projects, minor electrical and plumbing, ect.

[GoneGaltParticipant 361]

“Michaels and Knappenberger say Lewis’s findings basically eliminate “the possibility of catastrophic climate change—that is, climate change that proceeds at a rate that exceeds our ability to keep up.”

http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/31/scientists-say-new-study-is-a-death-blow-to-global-warming-hysteria/

[secomikeParticipant 27]

Way to go GoneGalt. Hey, Rainydaykid, do you know what they call a doctor who finishes at the bottom of his graduating class? They call him doctor. And you can call yourself a chemist…but calling yourself a thinker would be a joke.

[Lazarus LongParticipant 365]

@gonegalt Just saw this today and thought you might be interested if you had not seen it.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s top business adviser on Friday claimed climate change was a ruse encouraged by the United Nations to create a new authoritarian world order under its control.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/05/08/asia-pacific/politics-diplomacy-asia-pacific/australia-pm-advisor-says-climate-change-u-n-led-ruse-create-new-world-order/#.VUyfDPnD8up

Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind

[MadmanParticipant 772]

Global warming is BS. The IPCC hasnt had a correct model/prediction in 20 years because they discount all solar data.

The poles have record ice levels, and the one area they always show melting in Antarctica turns out to have undersea volcanoes which are responsible.

I really like these guys website and youtube channel, interesting stuff and they are willing to look at evidence for all sorts of strange theories some of which are now being confirmed by Nasa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ew05sRDAcU

 

 

[RoyDalParticipant]

Arctic Sea Ice Still There!
The satellite photo says it all for me, and the article has a number of interesting links.
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2015/05/y2kyoto-ill-mis-68.html

Arctic sea ice satellite photos

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[Anonymous 12]

I believe the Earth goes through transitions in temperature. There was an Ice Age before humans even built a single factory for example. It has nothing to do with us.

I also see a lot of inconsistency in the people who support the theory that all of this is man made. If that was really the case and we are as screwed as they like to believe we are then where is the radical action? You just can’t say the planet is dying and still support and let a lot of the things that happen continue. I don’t want this to be a political debate so I won’t go into details but it just seems where you have global warming supporters you have extra taxes and money.

 

[Lazarus LongParticipant 365]

I ran across this earlier and thought it should be posted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcrkmGLh9mA

Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind

[Lazarus LongParticipant 365]

NOAA readjusts the climate data to match what they have been saying. They reduced the pre hiatus temperatures and have inflated the temps during the supposed global warming hiatus.

To increase the rate in warming, NOAA scientists put more weight on certain ocean buoy arrays, adjusted ship-based temperature readings upward, and slightly raised land-based temperatures as well. Scientists said adjusted ship-based temperature data “had the largest impact on trends for the 2000-2014 time period, accounting for 0.030°C of the 0.064°C trend difference.”

But that’s not all NOAA did to increase the warming trend in recent decades. Climate expert Bob Tisdale and meteorologist Anthony Watts noted that to “manufacture warming during the hiatus, NOAA adjusted the pre-hiatus data downward.”

http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/04/noaa-fiddles-with-climate-data-to-erase-the-15-year-global-warming-hiatus/

Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind

[timbannisterParticipant 8]

Global Warming is indeed a hoaxand “Cutting back on CO2 emissions to combat dangerous climate change is the most costly blunder in history”. These words come from a best selling book by London Daily Telegraph journalist Christopher Booker written in 2009 called “the Real Global Warming Disaster”. In that controversial back Mr Booker strongly contended that the International Panel on climate Change’s computer-model projections were being disproved by what was actually happening to world temperatures, despite attempts to conceal that fact by certain politicians. In his book Christopher Booker also explained in clear detail that not one of those predictions being made by Al Gore and others in the days when, as he put it, “the warming hysteria was at its height” was actually coming true and in his words “the real global warming disaster were green taxes, a suicidal energy policy and wasting billions on useless windmills”

Is he right? Nobody can be very certain about what is really happening to world climate but official world weather data from the World Meterological Organization during the first 13 years of this century appear to indicate Mr Booker is indeed right. The scientific facts seem to be there was indeed a modest temperature rise in the late 20th century up to 1998. But increasing numbers of climatologists and other top scientists are now of the opinion that now appears to have been just a continuation of the warming that began 200 years ago as the world naturally emerged from those centuries of cooling known as the Little Ice Age. But the 0.5C rise between 1976 and 1998 was no greater than the 0.5C rise between 1910 and 1940 with 35 years of cooling between them, so that the net rise in the past century has only been 0.8C, and it does seem nations like UK and other nations in the EU seeking to cut back on CO2 emissions may well have been “the most costly scientific blunder in history”.

The politicians who control the propaganda have seemingly continued to try to deceive world opinion into believing that “95% of scientists are certain that dangerous man made global warming is happening and is man made”. The true facts appear to be that is only the opinion of Green lobby extremists like Greenpeace and Friend s of the Earth and today increasing numbers of eminent scientists who at one time supported the UN Panel on Climate Change seem to be now seem to be going on record in stating the UN Panel’s conclusions to be grossly flawed . It seems an increasing percentage of the world’s scientists think that too. A study of scientists’ opinions organised by oism.org/project which was signed by no less than 40,000 very well qualified scientists s including 9,000 with PhDs in a range of science disciplines stated
“There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gasses is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth’s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth’s climate”.
There have also been calls for The Nobel Peace Prize 2007 awarded jointly to Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and Albert Arnold (Al) Gore Jr. “for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change” to be paid back on grounds that almost everything Gore claimed to be happening in his film “an inconvenient truth” seems to have been proved grossly flawed.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

The best way to shunt growth, extract money from largest pool of people, handicap mobility, and ensure perpetuation of the poor class, – is through energy prices. How do you game energy prices? By consolidating supply, artificial scarcity, taxation, suppression of technology and yes – through environmental initiatives like CO2 climate change hoax.

I watched some Discovery Channel (?) show where they were looking at the bottom side of a fossilized ginseng leaf through a microscope (ginseng is a great plant to study because it’s ancient) – don’t remember exactly the era, but it was shortly after the Siberian volcano eruption that lasted for ~1 million years. And that leaf had 10 times less cells that capture C02, suggesting that the CO2 concentration in the air was 10 times the current.
So any androgenic emission that we had since the beginning of industrial revolution is nothing.

And a thought that we should feel guilty and pay money to Al Gore and his buddies running the scam, so they could fix it – is completely ludicrous

Right now we are in a cycle of lower solar activity, which is the main driver of any significant climate changes during last quarter century. That’s why they’re rebranding “Global Warming” to “Climate Change”. The thing is that climate always changes on its own, so you can’t fight that by throwing money at it.

If there is any validity in notion that man-made CO2 emissions is the factor in changes of climate patterns over some geographical area – it’s possible, but it’s far from being catastrophic.  CO2 is not a pollutant goddamit – it’s a f~~~ing food for plants.
If there is a significant man-made impact on the climate and you want to find guilty for droughts and shifting climate patterns – don’t blame it all on CO2 emissions. There are other forces at play. Namely – geoengineering. It is not a conspiracy theory – it’s been going on for more than 50 years, it is still ongoing and it is secret. If you look at the sky at any given moment nowadays – you will see that the majority of clouds you will find there did not form naturally. Is this a cause of concern? You decide. In my book – any s~~~ done in secret deeply concerns me.

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[timbannisterParticipant 8]

You are in very good company in being enraged. The links below are yet another 2 that also identify with your and my feelings and there are plenty more where they comes from about the junk science involved. Yet that numbskull Obama announces to the world “the science is settled”. Has there ever been a bigger idiot serving as President in US History?

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/02/09/global-warming-so-dishonest-it-makes-enron-look-like-a-paragon-of-integrity/#comment-1847378820

http://conspiracyanalyst.org/2015/02/09/global-conning-temperature-data-cooked-in-biggest-science-scandal-ever/

[Lazarus LongParticipant 365]

Caught this one today. Apparently the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration built a network of sites that take three independent measurements and are supposed to be the most accurate measurements to provide “high quality” data. Anyway they show the exact opposite in their data as NOAA just announced after they artificially changed the numbers.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/15/americas-most-advanced-climate-station-data-shows-us-in-a-10-year-cooling-trend/

Data from America’s most advanced climate monitoring system shows the U.S. has undergone a cooling trend over the last decade, despite recent claims by government scientists that warming has accelerated worldwide during that time.

The U.S. Climate Reference Network was developed by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) to provide “high-quality” climate data. The network consists of 114 stations across the U.S. in areas NOAA expects no development for the next 50 to 100 years.

The climate stations use three independent measurements of temperature and precipitation to provide “continuity of record and maintenance of well-calibrated and highly accurate observations,” NOAA states on its website. “The stations are placed in pristine environments expected to be free of development for many decades.” In essence, NOAA chose locations so they don’t need to be adjusted for “biases” in the temperature record.

Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind

[flightspaceSpectator 207]

Ok lets discuss scientific fact. We had to study this stuff for statistics class and filter out what implies correlation, what implies causation, and what are just numbers people use to skew things in their favor. And it turns out yes, humans are causing climate change, but not in the way that you think. In fact we’ve been causing climate change for thousands of years, ever since we started settling the fertile crescent. Thats right, the advent of agriculture brought us out of an ice age, and stabilized the temperature on our planet. Before our arrival here it wasn’t uncommon to see temperature shifts of tens to hundreds of degrees (depending on the era, obviously) and this was often much more in flux than it has been with an agricultural society. We’ve made and adapted the world to be more livable for ourselves and the other creatures on this planet, and the earths creatures have also adapted as well to fit the warmer climate, which is why you don’t see sabre tooth tigers and wooly mammoths anymore. And even if the world does flood or get hotter, we will adapt, and its not going to happen overnight, but inch by inch, and we will change with it, just as we always have. So global warming as this unnatural thing? Bogus. The worlds temperature changes. Thats what it does. the unnatural thing is stagnation. If you can call it that. Everything we do is technically natural because we’re a direct result of nature so if controlling nature is a direct result of us, then i guess you can call it natural. But you can’t call the second we lose the tiniest bit of control over nature unnatural. And its certainly not the greatest issue of our time, and its distinct and separate from pollution, which IS killing ecosystems that we depend on to survive and it IS a huge problem, much bigger than global warming. If the glaciers melt and it gets hotter we will move inland, build seasteads, wear bikinis. If we kill off the other half of our cycle of life… We’re f~~~ed. We’re royally and utterly f~~~ed. Not that our domesticated animals won’t survive with us but they are not the only creatures we depend upon.

[flightspaceSpectator 207]

The other thing is if you really want to get to the nitty gritty on pollution and carbon emissions, yes, they have an effect, but the tiniest changes in the thermal or chemical level can have a major effect on global weather as well. Its called chaos theory, something studied by Edward Lorenz and its the inspiration for the idea of the butterfly effect. Most people misinterpret it, because of the article that journalists ran with after reading his paper, “if a butterfly flaps its wings in africa could it cause a hurricane in japan?” and the answer is yes and no. The actual science is that global macro factors depend on subtle micro changes that have a drastic effect on the greater body as a whole through entropy. Its why you can’t predict the weather with any accuracy for more than a week at a time, because at any given moment factors too subtle for you to measure right now are going to ripple out, interact with each other and cause turbulence which will make the results less and less predictable as time goes on. I’m actually studying thermodynamics right now and its really fascinating learning about the difference between laminar and turbulent flow, basically the point between where things are deterministic and predictable, and things become chaotic. Theres actually something called a reynolds number, which changes depending on which substance you’re moving through, and i’m sure extra carbon dioxide would have a slight impact on this, though i’d have to study it a bit more to figure out what that impact is. Though i don’t think its wise to go spouting off uninformed, most everyone talking about global warming are a bunch of chattering f~~~ing pidgeons.

[Darth SinParticipant 576]

So from my understanding, this is the state of things

1) Is global climate change real and a fact ? Yes, very much so.

2) Is global warming real and a fact ? No idea. At the moment, it seems to be just a hypothesis.

3) Should we take steps to reduce pollution, use more efficient utilities and use alternative energy sources ? Yes, absolutely.

[Anonymous 13]

Nay

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