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Well, I wouldn’t say “F~~~ Thanksgiving”. I would say f~~~ the people who want to ruin it for you. I love Thanksgiving because i have many things to be thankful for, including all my brothers here, my health, my mental and physical capacities and many other things. Don’t hate the holidays because some people changed their meaning.
I think you should especially appreciate Thanksgiving considering you just recently took the red pill and discovered a whole new version of yourself and society in general. There’s a lot to be thankful for.
Don’t go if you don’t want to, just celebrate your own way.
If you do decide to go, just remember, in the past they got to you and made you feel bad because that is a blue piller’s job, to feel bad and to be accused and abused. If you do go, this time you will be immune to all the shaming, blaming, bickering and passive aggressiveness. You will be able to ignore everything and just have a relaxed smile on your face. Just kiss your mom and thank her for the meal, then off you go.The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!
Have been in @Spock’s situation too. The f~~~ing OBLIGATORY appearances, events, birthdays, BBQs for a cousin’s child who just “graduated from the 4th grade”……. and before I knew it I found myself at a Justin Bieber themed birthday party!! His face was on everything including the napkins.
What a nightmare. I wanted the Earth to open up and swallow me whole.
we didn’t see them
That’s key right there. When a woman says: “we’re going to see them”.
But that’s not her agenda at all. She doesn’t go to see anyone. She goes to >>>>> BE SEEN.
With women, it’s all about making appearances.When I became hip to that, I made her go without me.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.You have a lot of family issues to be honest. I enjoy Thanksgiving because I get to see my kin. They aren’t feminist so I do enjoy their company.
Same here – something to be thankful for. The worst I have to put up with are my cousins showing off the deer and/or elk they got this season, but they usually send me home with a venison roast for my troubles. 🙂
If that’s the worst I got to put up with I guess I’m really lucky. I’ve been around families that sound much like Zero’s description and it sucks. If you realize you don’t give a f~~~ what they think, or if somehow your disinvited for next year, which it sounds like would be a blessing, then why not call them on their s~~~?
If you do go, you might consider talking to your mom and telling her in no uncertain terms why you don’t like any of these people. Let her know you’re not going to put up with their crap.
What I’ve done in situations like that is be EXTREMELY condescending to everyone. Say things like “How about we all agree to only say POSITIVE things about each other today?” Act like a kindergarden teacher and show them how they’re behaving like kindergardners or second graders. You’ll either shame them into behaving like decent people(unlikely, but there’s a chance) or you’ll be laughing your ass off all the way home.
You could even just use the humorous brutal honesty and tell them “I’m sure statements/accusations/questions like that worked great in elementary school, but we’re at the big kids table now and it’s Thanksgiving. How about if we say NICE things?” Say it with really wide eyes and with a voice like a tour guide or stewardess – super condescending. Call them on their manners.
If they’re the kind of people that need to put others down to make themselves feel better about….themselves…. then I’ve found this approach works AWESOME.
WARNING: They may actually start acting like little kids and throw a tantrum when you “hold the mirror up” and force them to view their own behavior as a normal healthy adult would.
"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,
Hear hear. I’ve always said that about the +1. If you’re doing things because they’re expected of you, you can never make a person happy… best case you meet their expectations and get a zero, and usually the best case doesn’t happen.
My family lives in Alabama and I’m in Nevada. Not only is it an expensive hassle for me to get their, but my presence is not appreciated when I do. It’s lots of little passive aggressive s~~~ like talking about my hair, my choice in clothes and my still being “alone”. They give me s~~~ about going to church (which I do totally without complaint or comment when I do go there, much to their disappointment) and about my evil lifestyle (my mother never could get over the idea that I like to sleep until noon).
Of course I am the most successful, independent and easy going, not to mention happiest, of the bunch so they’ve got to find something to tear me down with… which is why I am simply not going again this year, I end up doing maybe one year every four, just for the stories… but this year I’m flying an old friend in for a few weeks and we’re just going to hang out, do nothing and enjoy each other’s company, as it should be.
Hear hear. I’ve always said that about the +1. If you’re doing things because they’re expected of you, you can never make a person happy… best case you meet their expectations and get a zero, and usually the best case doesn’t happen.
My family lives in Alabama and I’m in Nevada. Not only is it an expensive hassle for me to get their, but my presence is not appreciated when I do. It’s lots of little passive aggressive s~~~ like talking about my hair, my choice in clothes and my still being “alone”. They give me s~~~ about going to church (which I do totally without complaint or comment when I do go there, much to their disappointment) and about my evil lifestyle (my mother never could get over the idea that I like to sleep until noon).
Of course I am the most successful, independent and easy going, not to mention happiest, of the bunch so they’ve got to find something to tear me down with… which is why I am simply not going again this year, I end up doing maybe one year every four, just for the stories… but this year I’m flying an old friend in for a few weeks and we’re just going to hang out, do nothing and enjoy each other’s company, as it should be.
The japanese have a saying for that, my brother:
“The nail who stands out, gets hammered in the head.”
"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
Anonymous42So brothers. Do you think I’m delusional, arrogant, or self-centered? Are you celebrating Thanksgiving? Why? I’ll appreciate seeing your thoughts.
I look at people for who they are, not what others say they are according to tradition. I enjoy Thanksgiving only because most of my family members are pretty much cool and drama free, plus mom’s a
goodgreat cook. They know I’ll cancel any holiday I chose, and for whatever reason I have. Christmas has been canceled since 2012 when it comes to gift giving. In years past I was extremely generous, but the economy and logic dictates I regain control of my finances, they understand.
I’mgladblessed that I’m in a traditional family that lives under a moral code. I have a cousin I haven’t seen since the 70’s, his brother is dead from AIDS, and he’s just a scummy pile of s~~~, a polar opposite in every way! If given the chance I’d spit on his grave! NAFALT (Not All Family Are Like That), but the ones that are can go burn in hell!It’s like when I was a kid and was dealing with a violent bully who pushed me around and stole my bike. We hear advice like “oh don’t let it bother you” , “they’re just jealous” and “just ignore them”…….. but my father told me to make a fist and just punch him in the face.
Welcome to my childhood KeyMaster, fighting was a monthly event, one time I was psyched out by everyone in the school how bad I was going to get my ass beat, he was bigger and heavier then me, I WAS SCARED! They told me I wasn’t getting out alive, his friends had all the exit doors covered, I knew it was do or die, I walked up to him like we were going to start some kind of fair fight, I reached all the back to Alabama, clenched a fist and drove it “through” his face! A trick my dad taught me, he said to aim for the back of their head. He dropped like a sack of potatoes, then in utter fear of retaliation I hopped on top of him and began to violently punch his face in, 10 or 12 good shots! Everyone was in shock, including myself! I started looking around at his friends, figuring one of them was going to want a piece of me! They started backing away and wanted no part of me! Every one of those guys never bothered me again.
After reading some of the post, I kind of see my comment as inapplicable to most situations. You guys come from some.f~~~ed up families. I’ll be thankful this Thursday that mine is, as mgtower put it, a nafalt.
I only come for the free meal, which mostly are quite edible. I always bring a book or two, and my work laptop. I have very casually and effectively made them have to deal with me enjoying myself in a book or working on something on my laptop, since every attempt of shaming against it, has been met with, “It’s only your problem, not mine”, and I give them enough sentences and social interactions, while eating, and when reading nor working on the laptop isn’t possible.
I used to not want to come to those family gatherings, but ever since I started giving zero f~~~s, I simply enjoy myself in the free food and drinks, while enjoying myself in a book or Laptop, like eating and drinking at a café free of charge, with a few possible annoying customers around. I’ll smile, shake hands, and raise a glass. They rarely try to make me help cleaning or something, I guess the power of a book’s warding abilities, can be quite impressive at times.
Perhaps I’m just kinda lucky, compared to others.
You’re right, f~~~ thanksgiving. When I was little, I noticed the herd of female relatives all sqawking and how non of my male relatives were happy. Non of us wanted to be there, it was an excuse for all the mother hens to gobble away. Not to mention all the questions, the two most common being school/work and relationships. Always telling me to hurry up and make grand babies. No thanks. There’s small talk, but that’s about it. What better way to celebrate what I’m thankful for than by doing the things I’m most thankful for? I’m not thankful for my s~~~ty family, I’m thankful for the money that a 60 hr workweek brings in, and all the cool s~~~ I can buy with it. It’s my time, I’ll use it however the f~~~ I want to.
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Anonymous5Its hard to say to your own family “I never really liked you guys” – Recently all the s~~~ I went through with my brother and parents has balanced out (Good news I find & maybe it’s from this site) – But did I go to thanksgiving this year ? F~~~ no. I don’t forgive and forget – I remember and avoid. DO I love my family?? hell ya. DO I like them err no. It’s hard as you said Zero considering one of them birthed you and raised you into this world. This is something I never talk about with anyone. Great topic got me thinking.
. You guys come from some.f~~~ed up families.
Oh don’t misunderstand. Our family isn’t “f~~~ed up”. They did an excellent job and even stayed married until death. They are just “blue pill” , which is pretty much the same thing when you’re considering what to do with your very well-earned time off and vacations. That’s what we’re talking about here.
There is a time to tell a child “you drink from the wrong glass “and you “dry your hands with the wrong towel”…. and “where the hell were you??”. But that time is over when the child is 18. It’s entirely f~~~ed to treat a grown man like EVERYTHING he does is wrong, and these people need a reminder that you’re not f~~~ing 5 anymore.
It all reminds me of the quote by Robin Williams…..
“I used to think being & living alone (for Christmas) was the worst thing in the world.
It’s not. The worst thing is to be surrounded by people who make you feel like you’re alone.”If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.@ KM
Ah. Thanks for clarifying.
Bump.
This just got a whole lot funnier. I texted my mom and told her that I won’t be attending thanksgiving. She replied saying that my family is renting a cabin in the woods and that I need to pitch in money for it even though I won’t be there. She completely disregarded what I said. Plus, I had no say in renting this cabin. Nobody even told me about it until now. That’s like buying a giant dildo for you and your clueless friend and then getting mad at him for not wanting to reimburse you for half because you thought he might want to use it sometimes even though he’s straight. I know my analogy is weird, but whatever.
It’s done and I feel relieved. I will refuse to pay for the cabin and do something fun instead…I wonder if any strip clubs will be open.
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I really hope my Thanksgiving doesn’t end up a giant s~~~ pile since I’m divorced and nobody has seen my daughter more than once and she’s about to be 1. Although I’m sure all the women will give me s~~~ about that and ask if I’m dating or anything. “Aren’t you ready to be tied down again by some more useless bitch than your first wife?” If that’s the case, it’ll be time to work every holiday I can from now on.
ZFG, your mom reminds me of my mom and it’s getting me thinking that going to visit this Thanksgiving is a bad idea…Hope yours doesn’t end up s~~~ty.
The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity. --Einstein
I will be staying home…fasting…drinking only water…like the Puritans did…just to spite this consumer Thanksgiving nonsense.
The toown my mother lives in is the only place in the world – in the world – where I dry my hands with the wrong towel. Drink from the wrong glass. Take a cab when I should read minds and wait for a ghost to give me a lift.
Now she has amnesia “have you made any travel pans for Christmas yet?”
And then I gave it to her straight. “No”. I’m going to drink egg nog out of the WRONG glass this year.
WTF? Are we brothers? Sounds just like my moms house.
Fuck this planet.This is a big issue for me. The holiday season first became weary to me after I lost both of my parents. I have one sibling (sister) and she got married just a month or two after losing my dad.
First Christmas with only a sibling left I naturally went to her house. The entire house was filled with my new brother in laws family. Imagine just losing your family then being surrounded by complete strangers for a holiday usually spent with your family. My sister was like family to all of them, and they were strangers to me. I felt like she just gained an entire new family and I lost the only member I had left. That was a REALLY tough night.
Ever since then, over a decade ago, I have for the most part ignored the holidays. Ive gone a few years, but its just tough to swallow. I love her kids, but I feel Im amongst strangers. Add to that Im the only one without kids and its even more awkward. The brother in laws family tends to build him up with how great he is, and my only family (sister) tends to be only capable of expressing negging comments about me.
I always feel a sense of guilt as though Im neglecting her, her only blood relative left, but Ive been on my own for over 15 years; all the while shes been around a new family. So given the fact that its usually a negative experience for me, the guilt doesnt sway me to attend.
Sometimes I have a sense of regret/guilt, but in the end it doesnt have much sting. If she was more supportive of me when I expressed my own problems, than it would be a different issue entirely. Why would I go when I feel like an outsider? I dont think shes had my back to be supportive – simply as a voice of care that youd expect from true friends when telling them your problems. So Im not going to subject myself to an entire evening that only serves as a reminder of the fact that I dont have any blood family left. I even get the guilt trips of “are you ever going to get married? My kids need cousin’s to play with!” How in your right mind are you going to lay that on me? Unreal.
Holiday avoiding- Jaded? Maybe. But nothing magically changes on a holiday that exempts the other 364 days of the year. Ill cook a steak and have a bottle or two of red wine. Been on my own my whole life. Noone is ever in a single mans corner. EVER.
Have a problem, its responded with- man up! Stand on your own two feet! Meanwhile the very same female spewing that has only played a passive role in which she “agrees” to marry; and becomes a house wife.
Ok…Ill man up and stand on my own two feet on this holiday as I do every other day of the damned year.
Resident cynic.
Anonymous42The brother in laws family tends to build him up with how great he is, and my only family (sister) tends to be only capable of expressing negging comments about me.
@AW, That’s some f~~~ed up s~~~! I don’t know how you deal with it, but then again, yes I do. I’ve had, and still have knives protruding from my back! I’ve all but disowned some of the members of my family, apparently most people have short memories when it comes to people that help them out and make sacrifices for THEIR BENEFIT! Then get treated like a stranger when you’re down and out! F~~~ THEM! I hear what you’re saying, In my immediate family there’s only one grandson to My father, no other children. and only one brother is married (twice), and the other is also MGTOW level 5.
Noone is ever in a single mans corner. EVER.
We’re in your corner back to back! anytime, anywhere, any reason, we’re brothers like no other! We got your back covered!
Billy Crystal said Every year I wan’t to go from the day before Thanksgiving to the day after Valentine’s Day. I saw a “Every kiss begins with Kay” commercial at a sports bar and looked around for a tomato to throw at it. For 3 months a year the sending the message out. It’s that time of year again! don’t forget to treat like your woman like a prostitute.
Wish me luck…First time around family I haven’t seen in years and now that I’m newly divorced and nobody has really seen my daughter that’ll be one in December I’m sure people will give me s~~~ (I have to drive 2 hours to get to my mom’s)….I’m thinking of purchasing some Woodford Reserve (really good s~~~) and drinking “enough” before talking to family. It might give me a belligerent edge and force people to leave the subject alone.
The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity. --Einstein
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