For Mgtaoist: Interpreting MGTOW: the wisdom behind the malace

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

…privatized reproduction…

This idea of privatized reproduction. This is how humanity has always done it, we just let the births fall where they may, no matter the peoples financial ability or their genes. We’ve been on auto-pilot.

It’s sort of like building a mud hut with sticks and palm leaves. We could be building a skyscraper.

I’m not talking about making the Ubermensch or even ‘Engineers’ as depicted in Prometheus. I’m not talking about alcohol droplets in baby vats, creating a surf class. I reject the notion of an all white, blue-eyed race of genetic super humans. And I’m weary of the idea of a state run anything. We’re not here to erase the human genome or play god. There’s ways to clean house without rearranging the furniture.

I think this goes beyond politics and notions of racism. It’s about organizing human civilization. Maybe once we do this, we can find a common goal for this species, like building a Dyson Sphere.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

You look at industrial nations, their disposable male work dogs. The falling birth rates. Brilliance is being wasted, people are not being optimized. Women are completely lost and insufferable. Men are just as displeased.

We have minority children who can’t read or write; they can barely speak coherent English. It’s not for lack of IQ. It’s the miserable parenting, the ejection of paternal figures. It’s the toxic memeplexes like valley-girl-speak and Fakebook highlife. Throw in other memeplexes like thug-life and race-victim-identity.

Much of this is perpetuated by “Privatized Reproduction.” This goes beyond the lie that equality of opportunity makes equality of outcome we know that is bollocks. I’m not advocating growing clones and then paying the government to educate them.

I’m saying that Privatized Reproduction, at least a strong percentage of it is a proven failure. There will always be, and there always should be, natural born humans; by people who know how to nurture a human being into maximizing that child’s potential.

The rest of them should be barred from reproduction (or high-jacked from being the parent of that child) for a multitude of reasons such as:

1. They don’t want to be parents.
2. They can’t afford to be parents.
3. They don’t have time to be parents.
4. They have significant hereditary issues; mainly serious diseases, not talking about ‘race.’
5. Besides being a parent, their talents are far more useful in another way.
6. They will obviously be a terrible parent.
7. They’re going to teach that kid a bunch of bulls~~~ memes like religious anything or how white people all owned slaves…

[Gravel PitParticipant]

There will be an outcry about how ‘the family unit is the building block of civilization.’ I specifically remember Stardusk or Barbarossa defeating this notion which is an obvious tradcon religious delusion. I didn’t believe it at first and suspected the family structure does serve some purpose, it doesn’t…

We should build artificial wombs and nationalize reproduction. That first or second generation of humans will be no different than us, except they will all be given the absolute best education. We will segregate the sexes. We will weed out crazy genetic disorders without even touching the genome, just don’t breed them. Preserve those specimens incase we need them later. Again, this is not ethno-state s~~~. This is about disconnecting the populace from reproduction and parenting, which most of them are unqualified to do. We will still have black babies everyone, calm down. A world without Neil DeGrasse Tysons or Dave Chappelles, no way!

These children will have mentors and teachers, both male and female. We could save sociality, erase illusionary cultural divides. People would not hold on to destructive memes handed down from parents because they’d all have the same memes. We’re still talking about a totally free enterprise society. You’re free to be an artist, educator, engineer or soldier.

There are limitless and positive directions we could take this species if were weren’t constrained by dead weight. It’s clear that women have control over reproduction of this species. We should take that away from them and liberate men. Women already got liberated, that is why birth rates and good mothers went to hell.

[Anonymous 3]

Gravel Pit wrote:

We should build artificial wombs and nationalize reproduction.

I understand your point and the intentions. Yet I propose a problem:

The “private” domain as always been a domain of freedom and, quit frankly, anarchy or self-organization.

The “national” or “public” domain has always been one of rigid plutocracy or oligarchy, of well ordered and stalled organization, that is prone to kill innovation and any kind of change.

Saying it otherwise, the private is something in the hands of everybody, and the public s something in the hands of a few.

I am quite certain that reproduction in the hands of the government would lead to growing complacent and servile humans by design.

To know this one as only to look at education.

Yet in principle you are right. We need a licence to drive, yet anyone can raise a kid?
Yes, but when government has a say in how you raise your kids you might just end up with a society like today:

Gravel Pit wrote:

We have minority children who can’t read or write; they can barely speak coherent English. It’s not for lack of IQ. It’s the miserable parenting, the ejection of paternal figures. It’s the toxic memeplexes like valley-girl-speak and Fakebook highlife. Throw in other memeplexes like thug-life and race-victim-identity.

By government laws, by official media, and by official education.

[Anonymous 3]

FrostByte wrote:

I have often thought that all species are meant to die off just like all individuals do. It seems to be what they do with or without a natural purging(ELE).

That is a brilliant idea, and one that I think many MGTOW accept.

There is no reason to believe that the human species is so special. I bet the Neanderthal would consider themselves the most advanced and special creatures. Yet…

So, when one stops the emotional investment in this society and actually in humanity, then we are free to consider our lives, the moment, as THE priority.

No longer there is a concern for the future. No longer there is a desire to fix things. No longer there is suffering by realizing that we are heading the wrong way.

There is peace and freedom in accepting the end of this human experience.

Nature/God knows best.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

I am quite certain that reproduction in the hands of the government would lead to growing complacent and servile humans by design.

You’re right but I can dream. heheh.

Anonymous wrote:

We need a licence to drive, yet anyone can raise a kid?

Yup, exactly. F~~~ing morons should not be allowed to raise progeny. Need to kidnap those babies. Take away their driver’s licenses too because they drive like s~~~. LOL

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Gravel Pit wrote:

Clu wrote:
…Huxley and the brave new world. And you are using it as a blueprint instead of a warning.

Yup, I need to order that book and re-read it. It’s scary in some of it’s futurism but then again, some of it is actually desirable and would solve many of our problems. I’ll never forget reading that 15 years ago and especially the last page. “North, North-east, East, South East…” describing a hanging body slowly turning on a rope. Strong writing. That whole book really is astounding.

huxley vs. orwell

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Both you guys totally get it. (Clu and FrostByte)

Black Pill topics

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Huxley was definitely right. Soma is the anti-depressants that 50% of the population is hooked on. I’m not saying we’re going full Gattaca and Brave New World tomorrow but I wouldn’t be surprised in 100 years…

[bladeParticipant]

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Huxley represents the West, and Orwell the East.
Either way it’s control over the masses.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[Anonymous 3]

Gravel Pit wrote:

I’m not saying we’re going full Gattaca and Brave New World tomorrow but I wouldn’t be surprised in 100 years…

I would be surprised if we last 100 years…

But dont lose your steam because of us! I was enjoying your ideas of evolution of humanity.
Maybe we can throw in some benign AI instead of the government.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

What if the foundations of evo psych were incorrect. What if human females are openly hypergamous like chimp’s. When a chimp is in heat she will have sex with multiple men at one time.

Human females are now loose on college campuses and are in the prime of their reproductive years. They’re having threesomes, foursomes and more some’s on campus. There’s so much random sex that they have to have rules so that the drunken hook ups can be sorted out.

One quarter of women admit to drunken hook ups on campus. The other three quarters are lying.

Studies have shown that women in relationships will slip out to night clubs, meet some stranger and go back to his place. The theory is that women seek out strange sperm to increase their genetic diversity.

If this is true then women didn’t know who daddy was. Women would be simply looking for anyone in the village that would help. Maybe men didn’t have that much to do with children. Maybe a nursing woman depended on the tribe for her sustanence.

Maybe during most of human history women were captured and treated like chattel.

Wife capture was common among warlike tribes, with social and military honors given the male who stole his bride from a neighboring group. The tradition of “standing up” at a wedding developed from the practice of assigning guards to keep the family of the captured mate out of the wedding.

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-05-26/news/mn-3648_1_ancient-tribes

Just saying. Things might be very complex. I don’t think marriage has been around for 150,000 years. If so, we mgtow’s are really a new phenom.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Here ya go Blade, ya crazed Hooligan. Here’s some more HUMAN music

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

I don’t think marriage has been around for 150,000

I can’t prove it but I’d bet men wanting fidelity and women acting like whores goes back to before we could even speak. Something like marriage was likely in effect, even a million years ago. Women’s polygyny is no mystery.

I can see homo Ergaster doing sign language and grunting some vowels, then using some red pigment to paint up a sluts face…letting everyone know, this is his pussy, anyone who touches her is dead. And if she gets slutty, he’ll beat the tar out of her. Your first wedding ceremony….

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

Gravel Pit wrote:

Puffin Stuff wrote:

I don’t think marriage has been around for 150,000

I can’t prove it but I’d bet men wanting fidelity and women acting like whores goes back to before we could even speak. Something like marriage was likely in effect, even a million years ago. Women’s polygyny is no mystery.

I can see homo Ergaster doing sign language and grunting some vowels, then using some red pigment to paint up a sluts face…letting everyone know, this is his pussy, anyone who touches her is dead. And if she gets slutty, he’ll beat the tar out of her. Your first wedding ceremony….

Thus the makeup industry was born to pre-verbal missing links.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[Just MikeParticipant 393]

The commonplace red pill rage, contagious disgust for feminism, lamenting of whoredom and malice towards the family courts are all just surface level antics here. These are men making conversation but this is not the point of MGTOW. The phenomenon would not have survived if MGTOW was that shallow.

I surely would not be here. Luckily I excavated the rabbit hole and found pay dirt in the form of philosophical truth.

Bit late to the party but this (and the rest of the thread) sums up the journey I’m going through excellently. The rage, disgust etc is a part of it and if a dude’s been put through the wringer or seen a truth that’s shocked or angered him, fair enough. I’ll never hold it against a guy; I’d offer support, if anything, because I know it sucks and some guys need that. MGTOW has helped a lot of guys, I’ve seen the genuine comraderie here and it’s awesome but that red pill can be bitter as f~~~ before it becomes tasty. Pretty sure most of us went through the bitter at some stage; it may have been what brought us here, looking for answers or a way to make sense of things, why you feel like you’ve been s~~~ on for doing the ‘right’ thing from a blue pill perspective.

After a while MGTOW helped me get over that rage and anger. A lot of lurking and reading has made very clear a lot of topics I used to be confused about and simply couldn’t get my head around. Once I understood why I was angry and the patterns and situations started to make sense I processed it out of my system and thinking and grew as a person. Everyone slips off ocasionally and sees some bats~~~ crazy stuff out there where you have to call a ‘what the f~~~?!?’ in disparagement but for the most part I’m finding it futile. There’s more growth to be had and I’m not happy with stagnating in one place. Furthermore, that growth makes me incredibly happy as a human being and as a man because I’m opening my eyes and mind and *understanding* for once. S~~~’s getting processed and the whole ignotum per ignotius is addictively rewarding, like cracking a code and being presented with an even more difficult, even greater code to ponder and solve.

Some of the stuff I’ve posted, I’ve looked back and been like ‘well it felt to get that off my chest but it’s nothing new’. At any given point in time a lot of other guys with a lot more knowledge have pretty much said what’s on my mind much more eloquently, concisely and with clearer insight; however it’s that clear insight and deeper philosophy that’s so much tastier to me now. It unearths even more of that sweet pill and goes beyond; it starts to explain things from the ground up and how we’ve evolved to be how we are now, and how the roles are playing out all around us.

You can call a spade and spade and all’s well and good with that but it’s always going to be a spade. If that angers you and you want it to be a broom, or you can’t use the spade properly then it’s time to go looking at why those things are happening. Get yourself a broom or educate yourself on how to use the spade. Figure out why it’s made from what it’s made from and use that knowledge to make it work for you. Simplistic to what’s been written here but I’m coming around quick and fast.

Sorry to hijack the post into a personal journey type of thing but what I’m trying to say is, awesome post in its entirety; I thoroughly enjoyed the read and I need more like a junkie needs a fix. I’m not ragging on guys who are angry; so be it and more power to you. There’s a lot of s~~~ to be angry about. That’s one of the essences of MGTOW, to have the freedom and space to vent if you want. Beyond that, though, if banging your head on a wall starts to hurt, know that the wall is never going to give way and there are ways around, over or under it that get rid of the pain and frustration. This whole thread is a great example of how much further you can dig to find a solution that makes sense to you and allows you to work with what you have, or find new tools to do the job better.

Society: I refuse your stick and carrot. If you try to beat or shame me you'd better take me down first time. If I want smoke blown up my ass I'll buy a cigar and a length of hose.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Just Mike wrote:

After a while MGTOW helped me get over that rage and anger.

The things you write, someone’s gonna read it, maybe a lot more people than you realize. May as well pour your heart and brain out onto the keyboard. Could do someone some good.

Just Mike wrote:

There’s a lot of s~~~ to be angry about.

I was angry but also kind of sad.

After the Stardusk Compilation sank in, I was let down. I tried to deny and beat around it. Dated a chick for a couple months which only reconfirmed everything I already knew.

I still remember Stardusk saying in a perfectly sincere way, something like ‘I know, its a bummer. There is no woman who is going to save you from the pain of your lonliness.’

I’ll openly admit it, women have hurt me and I aint signing up for more. And I got off easy. Jesus, I have read some stories on here that will make you cry. I do not know how they survived that bulls~~~ without killing themselves or her. Men are strong.

[ViciouscunningtreacherousParticipant 823]

Excellent post. Riveting. You say humans are at a terminus. I agree. So where do we go from here and why should we? It seems the only thing left is to play God to a more finite degree. The more we create that makes our lives easier, the more damage comes to us societally. Without the imperatives of survival, we become complacent,arrogant and lazy.

For in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.

[It’sallbsParticipant]

They both talk about the same things it was Huxley that introduced Eric Blair to the fabian society.

As for are we in a 1984 world we are 100% the only question is how extreme and totalitarian it becomes.

As for AWALT and MONK you are wrong Gravelpit, that said I liked much of your post and I agree 100% people over analyse it.

If you fully understand AWALT and fully accept it then not being monk is just and inablity to control urges caused by chemicals in the brain and is as a weakness the same as alcohol addiction.

(for most people the urges become less as they age and the longer you go without the easier it becomes)

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

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