Fake Shootings?

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

Guys, there seems to be many people that believe many of these shootings in the U.S. are false flag attacks to take our guns away. Sandy Hook massacre, the Charlotte church shooting, Vester Flanagan shooting in Virginia, and now this recent Oregon shooting. I don’t believe anything in the media. I do my own research, he seems to have some compelling theories. Anyone have any further information?

[NioZenParticipant 856]

Father of six year old victim of Sandy Hook who died the day before, or method actor?

We only dream this bondage. Wake up and let it go. - Vivekananda

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

It looks fake as hell, and he looks like a crisis actor. Like these crisis actors from the Charlotte shootings:

[NioZenParticipant 856]

I saw some really damning stuff on youtube after the Boston marathon – spooks in shades dressed in black removing the remains of a device, a woman pouring fake blood all over from her handbag. Haven’t been able to find it again. We shouldn’t be shocked though, terrorism has always been a tool of statecraft. Even the Romans used boogymen to further their agenda.

I sometimes wonder if there is a double play going on – whether it’s just poor planning or if some of this stuff that raises questions is deliberate in order to identify those that would question the state’s official line. Surely they can’t be that sloppy?

We only dream this bondage. Wake up and let it go. - Vivekananda

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

I don’t think it is poor planning(as in incompetent) and I don’t think it is to profile would-be dissenters of the state(I believe they have long had the knowledge to do this). It seems like the elite are just “too big to fail” now. It seems to have started with 9/11. I mean that was not a lack of planning; it was a lot of planning, but the end result was the same: a slap in the face to the citizens of the U.S. as they continue on with no f~~~s given except the bottom line. And the rest of the corporations/organizations give no f~~~s either unless they can profit. Profiteering has just reached levels of ridiculousness never before seen.

[NioZenParticipant 856]

You could well be right. I know you’re certainly right about the outright theft by the criminal class, it’s obscene, yet the herd is now too docile to notice, nevermind object.

We only dream this bondage. Wake up and let it go. - Vivekananda

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

Sandy Hook was staged for sure.
It was a drill portrayed by media as the real deal.

This video set the record straight for me. There is obvious fakery going on when you see it. There is NO WAY this was real:

Boston bombing was staged with drill, patsies, and amputees
Aurora shooter was supposedly under mind control, and his handler psychiatrist was “former” MK-Ultra
didn’t research other shootings much.

People who used to watch TV before they learned to walk will naturally follow the plot of a narrative without critical thinking. They will choose not to notice logical fallacies, inconsistencies of the twisting plot, bad acting or poor movie sets. They’re trained to trust news and stories on TV without a second thought. So there is no wonder they’re buying it

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

I noticed I keep calling it the “Charlotte” shootings. My bad, the “Charleston” shootings. Not like it makes a difference, nothing happened.

[UntamedParticipant]

Smoke and mirrors, shady deals, cloak ‘n’ dagger stuff. We got murderous international organisations infighting and back stabbing each other for the control of the planet’s resources and its inhabitants. The Media is the whore and do I have to tell you who’s the pimp?

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[Anonymous 9]

You’d be surprised how many people here are catching on to the agenda.

I never thought of bringing this topic to MGTOW because I figured most would reserve topics as such for David Icke, Alex Jones, and a few other conspiracy sites.

I may visit them every once and a while to see what’s going on, but then it turns into a war of words with those who consider themselves sane against conspiracy nut jobs.

But trust me, this s~~~ is fabricated and all you have to do is connect the dots with the last shooting hoax being the Virginia news reporter and the Vester Flanagan guy.

Go on youtube and read the comments. Many people are way past feed up with the lies.

Then the government paid out over 20 mil to the families of the so-called Charleston shooting.

Wonder why?

Come on.

[The Long WalkParticipant 1282]

Snake wrote:

Sandy Hook massacre, the Charlotte church shooting, Vester Flanagan shooting -snip

Snake wrote:

I noticed I keep calling it the “Charlotte” shootings. My bad, the “Charleston” shootings. Not like it makes a difference, nothing happened.

And there I was thinking someone had finally shot Charlotte Church. Poured a beer and everything.

[HitmanParticipant]

deeply disturbing ..

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Yes, the media is full of s~~~ and cannot be trusted.

And I agree the media is creating false flags, especially to take our guns away.

Nevertheless, there is a lot of gun violence and black mob violence that is occurring as a result of the same forces that are trying to take the guns away from law abiding citizens.

The posters below visually supports this idea.

Here is a list of American heroes who are attempting to bring the truth out in the open:

Colin Flaherty: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJyXMkbUb1d3ofQu6SxVpPg

Psychologist Marlin Newburn:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=marlin+newburn

Jesse Lee Peterson:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOBNx5Pdw7FZkh2oQR3i9SQ

Tommy Sotomayor:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TommySotomayorLive/featured

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[Anonymous 18]

Snake wrote:

I mean that was not a lack of planning; it was a lot of planning, but the end result was the same: a slap in the face to the citizens of the U.S.

I like to think a bit ‘outside the box’ regarding the shooting hoaxes. My theory is that they are not only fake but the evidence that they are fake is left intentionally. The so-called ‘alternate media’ shills that go to great lengths and details to point out the flaws are nothing but well paid CIA employees.

Why you say? So the populations come to conclude that the government wants to take their guns away. Obama administration and the mainstream media keeps it afloat by calling out on gun control. They know it is impossible to take guns away from the citizens. But it’s used as a distraction.

I think the net effect of these shooting hoaxes and the international level f~~~-ups USA is intentionally committing is for the masses to lose faith in their government. If USA as a nation is seen by the patriots as a foreign entity ruled by the elite banking cabals then it’d make the transition to the whatever-new model superpower the bankers have created more palatable. The true patriots are reduced to being keyboard warrior nowadays anyways. By the time a few revolutionaries protest physically there are nice little gems written in laws already that would make an example of them.

USA is intentionally ruining its reputation- both at home and abroad. It is just preparing us mentally before the sweets are handed to China/BRICS by eroding average citizens’ confidence in the great nation. I would go as far as saying that none of the middle eastern wars are about oil. The powerful already have enough around the world for themselves. It may have had more important role in turning countries of the world against US and readily accept its downfall as an aggressor and corrupt state. These shootings are now achieving same effect at home. My theory would be proven correct if within a year or two some massive CIA-backed revelations come about (not just the fake Wikileaks or Snowden level) but much bigger to further erode the image.

Don’t read too much in these obvious hoaxes. They are made obvious both by the planning committee and the YouTube shills that point out the facts very accurately.

It is truly sad what the bankers have been able to pull off post-1913.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

I cant be the only one whose read this and thought it, so Ill be the first to speak it: where is the evidence this is some conspiracy?

This isnt a conspiracy.

I tried watching the first video posted and couldnt make it past 3.5 minutes. It was pathetic. The narrarator is critiquing the gunmans my space and other social media sites as “unbelievable”.

News flash: people on social media sites post stupid, contrived s~~~.

Whats the prevailing conspiracy theory: all of the family members of dead/wounded victims are actors? I couldnt stand to listen to anymore of it to hear. It was just absurd and ridiculous.

It reminded me of the 9/11 “Truthers” <—hillarious they have to call themselves “truthers” presupposing any view opposing theirs is false and a lie….One of the most well known “truther” documentaries is by some 17 yr old kid, again on youtube. They put forward these ridiculous ideas and try and poke holes in what was clearly a terrorist attack, but cant put forward any cohesive argument of their own as to what really happened.

This is tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorism on steroids.

Resident cynic.

[ChadParticipant 5]

Here’s a link from my magic box that pokes holes in the links from your magic box.

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/18/your_comprehensive_answer_to_every_sandy_hook_conspiracy_theory/

I can find a debunking page for every conspiracy theory listed here. Check your facts bros. Yes it means you’re going to have to do a little more reading than just watching a youtube clip by someone with no credentials and no evidence to support their “facts”. As a new MGHOW I feel it my duty to inform you of your lack of skepticism.

Choyles

[ShinyParticipant 2307]

I don’t tend to go in for conspiracy theories – I prefer an Ockham’s razor approach – but I find the evidence that the Port Arthur massacre in Australia was staged to be overwhelming.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Yes it means you’re going to have to do a little more reading than just watching a youtube clip by someone with no credentials and no evidence to support their “facts”.

The five minutes it took me to read that article, was much more barable and intelectually stimulating then the 3 minutes I spent passively watching a youtube video posted by some moron from home.

Thank you.

Resident cynic.

[Anonymous 18]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

They put forward these ridiculous ideas and try and poke holes in what was clearly a terrorist attack, but cant put forward any cohesive argument of their own as to what really happened.

Clearly is a strong word here my friend.

I am one of the truthers. Your argument about “ridiculous ideas and poking holes” I believe is what most truthers would call doubting the official story. I don’t have to have ANY theories of my own to call the official story a big fat lie. All I am suppose to do is ask questions. And listen to the architects and structural engineers and pilots who question the official story. I don’t need to bring any evidence of my own to prove that it wasn’t the terrorists. It is the governments job to prove it was them beyond reasonable doubt. I’d start asking WHY did WTC 7 went down in free fall when the official story said the column that gave away was at floor 40-something. And why did ONE man stand to gain $4 billion in insurance after only buying lease for $17-million dollars on the building a few months prior to 9/11?

To be honest with you I find it more silly that someone would still believe the official story after Iraq and Syria.

Your argument holds water if the government just shrugged its shoulders and went “F~~~ if I know”. Then you can blame conspiracy theorists for saying who they believe did it.

For now it is suffice to say what the government said was not entirely accurate.

Chad wrote:

I can find a debunking page for every conspiracy theory listed here.

You can start here (I wrote these in another post here a while back):

1) Men trained to fly Cessna’s can fly a 737 with the accuracy as shown by the steep curve of the second plane hitting the WTC?
2) 80% of ground footage that is available is by someone linked to foreign and domestic media agency of some sort.
3) Pentagon had only 2 s~~~ty quality cameras to capture a missile-looking thing crashing? Donald Rumsfeld came on CNN and said ~ 2 trillion dollars from defence are missing on Sept 10th. They are still missing.
4) Ever looked outside on a plane’s window and read “Do not step” on top of wing edges? The wings ARE that fragile. And with some awesome magic they pierced some hundred tons of steel beams of both WTC buildings like knife through butter? Meanwhile no such super wings pierced the Pentagon building?
5) 19-terrorists can enter USA, blow up twin towers. But Suddam Hussein with all his connections and wealth couldn’t escape Iraq and had to resort hiding in a bunker? Meanwhile, another Muslim terrorist on a dialysis machine evaded capture for over a decade?
6) Snowden comes out like some badass hero but he has nothing substantial to say about 9/11, 7/7, JFK, Iraq war, Osama bin Laden, host number of other nations that CIA bankrolled for civil unrest? He just so happened to end up in Hong Kong (China) and Russia – both nations in debt of Rothschild central banking (if you haven’t caught on the conspiracists believe bankers own the US and governments worldwide)? NSA just forgot to him on no fly list? Twice? Now we all know NSA is watching and topics like this people will read and decide not to make a comment in case they get canned for holding ‘terrorist-friendly views”. So Snowden did NSA’s bidding. We can’t have an open discourse critiquing the official stories anymore. Because NSA is listening. And Snowden is still a hero. BTW for the MGTOWs- a dude making $200k/year has a stripper for a gf? Looking at the guy I say he doesn’t have b~~~~ to go out in middle of the night to turn the leaking tap off let alone take on US government. And also he gives interviews on major TV stations without ZERO censorship? LOL! May be I’d believe him if he wasn’t a high school drop out.

I might have a few more but I hope you can un-controversize me with your evidence regarding points above. Oh I’d so love to get back in mainstream thought bubble and rest my inquisitive mind.

[ChadParticipant 5]

You can ask all the questions you want, really. Why was it sunny that day? Indeed, why? Why did I sleep in that day and not hear about the attacks until after lunch? Was I in on it?
Asking questions is perfectly human. It’s what makes us so damn awesome. It’s why were running the planet and not the giraffes. But asking questions and demanding answers for any and every little discrepancy or loose end you can dream up, and then insinuating a conspiracy when you aren’t satisfied with the answer takes it too far. It removes you from the onus of proof. You’re just trying to throw doubt at everyone and confusing the issue. A little doubt is healthy, to much is tinfoil hat time.

Think about it. And be honest with yourself. What would it take to actually pull off the kind of the kind conspiracy you’re talking about here? Thousands of people would have to be involved. And they ALL have a lock tight lip about it? Nobody spills the beans to their wife one night? Not one Democrat gets a whiff of it and takes the info to skewer the Republicans? Nobody delivers an anonymous package to the news with all the details to blow the lid off the whole thing?
I get it. It’s a huge event in history and emotions run high on the topic. But none of the conspiracy theories hold water long enough to be considered true. You can find lots of engineers and scientists who are trufers, sure. But they’re literally like one percent, not even one percent, of the population of engineers and scientists who have validated the official story.
And as for the “official story”. Do you think they should tell us every single detail? In the interest of the security of a nation you can’t just tell the people everything you know, for then your enemy knows what you know. In other words, hold your cards to your chest so your opponent doesn’t get s~~~ on you. Yes you can throw that back at me and say we’ll I’m just a sleeping little sheeple who accepts anything they’re told. No. I’ve read enough about this from both sides to make a logical, rational, and informed opinion. I can’t believe this is still being debated 15 years later.

So ask yourself again. What’s more plausible? 19 fundamentalist suicide terrorists flew planes into buildings? Or, your own government conducted the most elaborate conspiracy ever planned, pulled it off without a hitch, nobody broke code of silence… and Alex Jones has all the inside information?

Hey, maybe you’re right. If you are I’ll be the first to jump ship. But your evidence to prove your alternate theory better trump all the existing evidence and not be some crackpot, hair brained youtube video full of random links, uncredible sources, and unproven statements by some kid in his jammies. Until then my opinion remains unchanged.

And lastly. Don’t expect me to believe that the wing of a plane is so brittle that you can’t stand on it yet the amount of force the entire craft is placed under would probably rip the skin off your face if you were strapped to the outside of the plane while it flew. Seriously. The wings hold the engines for christ’s sake! These are the kinds if questions that you ask that confuse people yet are the most ridiculous thing to say.

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