Do men hit the Wall???

[RennieParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

That’s patently false. I admit my personal experience is no example or proof of anything, but from 23 to 36 I basically had the same career / line of work and I wasn’t making bucks or in a power position. Worked wth a lot of women. Options ramped up at 26 and rapidly accelerated in my early 30s. No denying it and I wasn’t the only one.

I didn’t have “affairs” and impromptu “flings” when I was 19. I was having them way more in my 30s.

Pick a career….. basketball star,……. cirque de soliel acrobat………. police officer. And lets assume no promotions or raises or status increases. You will be more attractive to women at 30+ than you ever were at 20. Im quite surprised you maintain your position on that.

Yup, they want older dudes, no doubt about that.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

Guys, guys, guys… Women want *everything*. This whole “women want fried ice”? Yeah…nonsense. Women want fried chicken, watermelon, grape soda, and ice cream. Seriously. Women want it all. They want an older man with resources for security and to buy them s~~~, then they want Chad Thunderc~~~ to rock that pussy all night. Come on.

And to Ancientwisdom, I am glad you are feeling me. Exactly. You said what I was trying to say in different words. The reason why the graph is higher at 30-40 for men is because men have more utility at that age, and their sex drive is lower. It is a paradox. It is NOT because women suddenly said, “oh these guys, these are who I really want”, it is because Chad is getting pussy on the regular and their ass is getting kicked to the curb for Chad to spin another plate. They are dumb whores who seldom learn. They have a window of about 15-25 to score a man that will love them. After that, mother nature is f~~~ing brutal.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

And to Ancientwisdom, I am glad you are feeling me. Exactly. You said what I was trying to say in different words. The reason why the graph is higher at 30-40 for men is because men have more utility at that age, and their sex drive is lower. It is a paradox. It is NOT because women suddenly said, “oh these guys, these are who I really want”, it is because Chad is getting pussy on the regular and their ass is getting kicked to the curb for Chad to spin another plate. They are dumb whores who seldom learn. They have a window of about 15-25 to score a man that will love them. After that, mother nature is f~~~ing brutal.

Ya Snake, I agree with you on this. When you take into consideration the “WHY” mens SMV increases at the age it does, its for the very precise f~~~ed up reasons all of us are here on this site:

Women value mans UTILTIY.

His inherent worth, not intrinsic. At the same time we peak with them “sexually” is when they intrinsically have a diminished sexual attraction, and when we begin to care less about their sexual attraction.

Its an irony of the highest accord.

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Btw Snake,

We have disagreed in the past, but it makes me proud that both of us can look beyond that and have discussions.

We might eventually disagree on this topic; who knows? But our ability to over look previous disputes is fundamental.

Hope all is well with you.

Resident cynic.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Btw Snake,

We have disagreed in the past, but it makes me proud that both of us can look beyond that and have discussions.

We might eventually disagree on this topic; who knows? But our ability to over look previous disputes is fundamental.

Hope all is well with you.

Right on, bro. I believe in truth. The truth will set us free. Debate is part of that. I just can’t deal with “feeeeelings” anymore or emotional manipulation. I am done with that. Done with “man up” nonsense. I exist because I AM. Deal with it. Strive for something greater.

[RoyDalParticipant]

If you have got the coin, then there is a young girl who wants a piece of you. Your looks do not matter to her. The size of your yacht does, oh sugar daddy.
Edit: Take a close look at everybody’s hands. He’s paying for his fun, more than he knows.

Ill-Matched Lovers by Quentin Massys, Netherlandish, c. 1520-1525 (Wikipedia)

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[martygParticipant 103]

Even at 60, I have had women inquiring about my availability.

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

evilknievel wrote:

I never met a guy who is 40 and wanted to be 20 again. There’s real truth to this.

Really? I’m the exact opposite, never met a forty year old who didn’t want to be twenty. All the 40+ men I talk to (my dad, his friends, coworkers, family members, etc) tell me that they would give anything to be my age again, that I’m in the best years of my life.

Hearing that I’m living the best years of my life is a really bleak thought.

Keymaster wrote:

I truly want to shake the s~~~ out of them.

I truly would like the s~~~ shaken out of me.

It’s funny, because virtually every single other part of my life is perfect: about to finish engineering school with no debt, no money problems (at least not yet), hobbies that keep me happy and occupy my time, my own room, quite a bit of free time—except just one little part, you know, one of those basic human needs, attention and affection.

Fortunately, I do believe that at this point in my life I have, through introspection, managed to achieve a sort of neutrality—not happy, not sad, but a state of neutrality I can fall back on if I really find myself in the muck.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[Cap285Participant 6007]

Granted, some men do age poorly but not nearly like women. Ask Lauren Bacall.

It hit’s women mentally. A guy, no matter his looks, will have to work his entirel life, there is no way around that. Imagine a women getting a free ride from the time she develops to when she hits The Wall. That’s 10-15 years of being worshipped and the BANG.

Nothing.

I had an ex with that dead look in her eyes. Absolutely hot in her youth and had to beat guys off with a stick. However, two kids from two different dads is never good. Never mind what that did to her body. Gross.

Fuck this planet.

[Mr. SpockParticipant 10917]

Keymaster wrote:

When I first saw it, I found this graphic fascinating. My personal “SMV” (sexual market value) and options from my own viewpoint and experience followed this chart to the letter – so far. So when I see a 21 year old guy beating himself up about things….. I literally want to shake the s~~~ out of him and tell him he has NO idea how much he has to look forward to.

If you can get past the “comparative smv” point …. you’re set. This is the “danger zone” (about 29 -32) where females will tend to want to lock you down quite aggressively(!). This is when hers is in rapid decline, and just before yours is BEGINNING to ramp up. A lot of guys tend to feel – by that point – that their options are dwindling too. so they grab what they have….. but there is still an entire WORLD ahead of them.

I was one of those individuals who at 29 was beginning to feel that my best years were gone. Got married at 30 (felt that I should grab what I have while I have a chance) and divorced at 39. I can attest that all while I was married that I felt like I was getting a second wind or something. Noticed that women 10-15 years younger than me would show interest. After my divorce, women who wouldn’t give me the time of day in my 20’s were all of a sudden interested.
Amazing how accurate the chart seems. My life is better now than it was when I was 25.

Feminism isn't about equality with men, it's about leverage over men.

[Cap285Participant 6007]

Snake wrote:

I am way more interested in doing my own s~~~ at 40 then wasting it on these t~~~s. Game over.

What Snake says.

At our age, you just want to enjoy your own s~~~. Not have some nagging parasite bring you down.

Fuck this planet.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Really? I’m the exact opposite, never met a forty year old who didn’t want to be twenty. All the 40+ men I talk to (my dad, his friends, coworkers, family members, etc) tell me that they would give anything to be my age again, that I’m in the best years of my life.

But, how many of those men are married with children? Id bet all of them. Everytime I have heard that complaint from men, its because they are stuck supporting a wife, kids, and a mortgage.

What they really miss is being solo.

Resident cynic.

[Elric GreenstoneParticipant 1637]

I’ve been full-on mgtow for about a month, give or take. I was still looking for my soooulmateunikorn in September. Early October I completely and totally f~~~ing lost it, and, while I had been moving in this direction for quite some time, the Red Pill took a while to take. So to speak. I like Veterans’ Day as an official mgtow date for myself.

Two months ago I felt like my life was basically over. Forty-five, myriad degrees, decent work experience, unemployed, feeling completely lost and that I had no future. Once I let go of the must find wifesoulmatelifepartner bulls~~~, I realized I was in rather a good position, all things told, and started looking forward and planning again.

I haven’t felt this hopeful or optimistic since possibly ever, but at least since high school. I’m looking towards my next degree, where I want to live, and ultimately what I want to be doing. Without the f~~~uperry of setting my sails to someone else’s star, or looking for someone to do that, I realized that I hadn’t actually really looked – maybe ever – at what I actually wanted or wanted to do with my life. It was always about finding that specialsomeonecancerparasitevirus and settling down, even though I had done that with marriage and serial monogamy, and it never worked out.

I expect to be working probably until my death, hopefully in my 80s or 90s, as I rather enjoy what I do. I also plan to spend rather more time doing things I enjoy, if that makes sense.

As I am no longer in the sexual market, my SMV is either infinite or a null set, depending upon how one views it.

"You can either love women, or understand women. You can't do both. Because once you understand women, you realize that there is really nothing to love."

[Anonymous 0]

At 63 I am probably the oldest guy here or at least am in that league. I think the SMV chart doesn’t take in the desperation factor. At 60 plus, (and yes there are 60 plus female fitness instructors) a woman knows her chances are close to zero but still thinks she can make you think she has something you want. All I do is say ” I don’t want a girlfriend” and this makes them try all the harder. They don’t take no for an answer. So…Do men hit the wall, Answer no. They always have value but women do get more desperate with time. Just my thoughts. There’s only psycho babes left.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@Maurice52

I know a post-wall single Mom in her mid 40s. She still doesn’t get it and thinks she’s 22 with t~~~ like rocks and no kids.

I ask “How can you be female, divorced, a Mom, 45, and have no clue about any of this?”

She says “what?” like she’s trying 14 dating sites and doesn’t understand why 45 year old men are dipping in the younger pool. Breaking the news was like telling a 5 year old there is no Santa. But I sure enjoyed it.

ME: “Think back to when you were 16”

SHE: “OK”

ME: “Remember when you scoffed at 16 year old boys because you wanted a boyfriend who was 21?”

SHE: “Okaaaay Yeah I guess”

ME: “Remember when you were 19 and you passed on 19 year old guys because you wanted a boyfriend who was 27?”

SHE: “Yyeeaahhh????”

ME: “Payback’s a bitch, isn’t it.”

I swear, she froze, stared off into her past, needed a solid minute for it to finally register, and her bottom lip was quivering.
I didn’t need to say anything else.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[alchemistParticipant 484]

TheDigestedRedPill wrote:

I feel so encouraged by this I feel like I need to make a man of myself. Take care of myself and Go My Own Way. I think I sound a like Mangina saying that though.

There’s two possibilities, either you are a mangina in which case you’ve realised and are on this forum so I would assume you won’t be a mangina for long, which is a good thing 🙂 or you’re NOT a mangina but think you are in which case I’d say that is a virus planted by feminists/bitches to make you feel bad about progressing away from them- a kind of guilt trip used to manipulate you into investing in them instead of going your own way and living for, and investing in, yourself.

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