Do men hit the Wall???

[The Skank SpankerParticipant 1372]

NotMyProblem wrote:

Jeez this website saved me 2 million dollars at least. Thank you Keymaster and crew

Yea MGTOW is a true money maker… MGTOW already saved me from a divorce that now is likely never to happen.

Through my calculations:

-Divorce settlement 150.000 euro
– Being a member for 30 days (priceless)

150.000 euro divided by 30 days = 5000 euros daily cash from MGTOW.

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

TheDigestedRedPill wrote:

I feel so encouraged by this I feel like I need to make a man of myself. Take care of myself and Go My Own Way.

Music to my ears brother! Once you decide to GYOW you decide that *you* are the most important person in your life. Take responsibility for your own needs & wants. Do *not* take responsibility for others’ needs/wants (especially women, they’ll wind up a bottomless f~~~ing pit of want/need. Why do you think all guys who are married/have gfs are broke?).

TheDigestedRedPill wrote:

think I sound a like Mangina saying that though.

Not at all. Manginas say s~~~ like “The measure of a man is how he treats a woman in his life.” or “I’m sure my life would be complete if only a woman loved me!” gag barf puke. F~~~ that s~~~. A man is a man when he says to himself

“Goddamn, my life kicks ass. I’m taking responsibility for my life,
1) meeting challenges head on
2) working out regularly
3) doing guy things with guys, and
4) pursuing hobbies that i’m passionate about.

Note that of those ingredients for happiness, women aren’t mentioned anywhere.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

If you aren’t a Chaddington Thunderc~~~, you have already hit the wall right out of the gate. I see that graph again KeyMaster linked, that gets tossed around. Like, “hang in there, guys, s~~~ will be sweet at 40”, and “your income most likely will be higher” At age 40, who gives a s~~~ about women anymore? Not me. Chad is still b~~~~ deep in these whores at 40, too. I am way more interested in doing my own s~~~ at 40 then wasting it on these t~~~s. Game over.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Snake wrote:

I see that graph again KeyMaster linked, that gets tossed around. Like, “hang in there, guys, s~~~ will be sweet at 40”, and “your income most likely will be higher” At age 40, who gives a s~~~ about women anymore? Not me.

Oh I didn’t post that for the 40 year olds. I posted that for the 21 year olds who think it’s the end of the f~~~ing world when they don’t “have a girlfriend” and are considering eating a bullet.

If Elliot Rogers understood that s~~~, 10 minutes alone in a room with him and 6 lives would be saved. I see these guys who haven’t even BEGUN their lives yet…. beating themselves up about girls and how rough s~~~ is for them. I truly want to shake the s~~~ out of them.

TheDigestedRedPill wrote:

I feel so encouraged by this ……

NotMyProblem wrote:

Jeez this website saved me 2 million dollars at least. Thank you Keymaster and crew. That’s a great chart. Makes me feel great as I’m 28 but my biological age is a lot younger. Everyone tells me I look young as hell and I can easily get away with saying I’m 22. F~~~ yes the world is mine. 28 years old. Biological age 22. Wisdom age 50. Thank you for this website!!!

It’s for THEM. That’s how a young guy should look into his future. Like the only way is up and everything is possible.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

I’m walking right through walls like this guy. Loving every minute of it

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[Elric GreenstoneParticipant 1637]

Snake wrote:

At age 40, who gives a s~~~ about women anymore?

I was looking at the graph going “wait, what? men keep improving with age. i don’t get it” and then realized it was *sexual* market value. Yeah, no longer give one s~~~. I am free for the first time in decades, and have no desire to put the chains back on myself. F~~~ that.

One of the architects working on my mother’s house (a long and awful story I will one day tell when it’s f~~~ing done) is 84 years old. Eighty-four. He’s awesome. He’s basically just assisting at this point . . . because he’s working on larger projects elsewhere. He is my f~~~ing hero. Survivor of Castro’s prisons, and a *tiny* bit fuzzy around the edges occasionally, but generally sharp as a f~~~ing tack. He inspired me as a child and youth, I fell out of touch with his family (I’m buddies with one of his sons), and I find him constantly inspiring now. Holy s~~~.

For any man that’s like “f~~~! i’m 40 or 50 and just discovering this! my life is over!”. Nope. Not at all.

Men hit the Wall usually shortly before death. That’s it. We Have No Wall.

"You can either love women, or understand women. You can't do both. Because once you understand women, you realize that there is really nothing to love."

[Anonymous 11]

Snake wrote:

If you aren’t a Chaddington Thunderc~~~, you have already hit the wall right out of the gate.

Snake, I completely agree. Non-CT men slam into The Wall the minute those hormones start pumping. We’re used to The Wall and overcome it. It rips into a woman like a Hyena’s jaws once it hits her.

As mentioned prior, older men who keep themselves fit can take advantage of it in ways women can’t. It is totally possible for a 55 year old man to look great using only himself. No amount of Botox, surgery or exercise can do that for a 55 year old woman.

My tolerance for female bulls~~~ shrinks by the hour. These days I am not so willing to partake of this “opportunity” to destroy myself toying with these little monsters.

The non-CT younger guys with all of their raging hormones are simply playing against a stacked deck. I wish we had older Internet MGTOWs when I was 21, but the Internet was in the stone age back then.

Younger men naturally don’t have a clue how vicious and cold women can be. The one’s who come here are transported 25 years into the future if they are humble enough to heed the older MGTOWs’ words of wisdom and experience.

[evilknievelParticipant 50]

I never met a guy who is 40 and wanted to be 20 again. There’s real truth to this.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

evilknievel wrote:

I never met a guy who is 40 and wanted to be 20 again. There’s real truth to this.

Don’t remember who it was, but a member here said he was 51 (or over 50) and he wouldn’t want to be 18 again. I recall it clearly. He said if there was one thing he could go back and tell himself it’s “it gets better. Much better”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

Keymaster wrote:

Oh I didn’t post that for the 40 year olds. I posted that for the 21 year olds who think it’s the end of the f~~~ing world when they don’t “have a girlfriend” and are considering eating a bullet.

If Elliot Rogers understood that s~~~, 10 minutes alone in a room with him and 6 lives would be saved.

This guy could have drove up to Nevada, a five hour drive at most, and gotten laid LEGALLY. Here’s money, now blow me bitch. That easy. But he didn’t because he is in the matrix thinking women give two s~~~s about men. He thinks, “if only I was Chad, it would all be good…damn you women for not liking me”. Little does he know, being Chad(or high Sexual Market Value/Marriage Market Value – per the graph) solves absolutely nothing. So what, you get more pussy, as if that is a good thing. The only good thing is going your own way and to check out of this f~~~ing madness.

What I am saying, bro, is you are giving them FALSE HOPE. There is no happy end to this. The only “happy end” is you swallowing that bitter f~~~ing red pill and move on with your life.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Snake wrote:

This guy could have drove up to Nevada, a five hour drive at most, and gotten laid LEGALLY. Here’s money, now blow me bitch. That easy. But he didn’t because he is in the matrix thinking women give two s~~~s about men.

….. and he inflated the value of vagina up past a woman’s level. If that kid got some tail, he would have thought “THIS Is what all the fuss is about”??

True s~~~ @snake! Totally agree!

Snake wrote:

What I am saying, bro, is you are giving them FALSE HOPE.

No I’m not. It’s true. It gets better. Because part of “it” is KNOWING that “not having a girlfriend” or “not getting any trim” is not a f~~~ing tragedy.

You and I know this. Pussy holds NO value for you or me.

You misunderstand in one respect. This isn’t about getting them laid. Im not saying “work out get rich and you’ll be swimming in pussy” – like it’s a trophy or a prize. I’m saying…….. not getting any isn’t worth killing yourself over, or feeling bad about. Big difference between “trying to get into her panties”…… and when she peels them off FOR you. That’s the difference between 20 and 40 and your “SMV”.

When I was 22 a friend of mine threw himself infront of a train. Over a CHICK.
This actually means something to me. I believe that was the biggest f~~~ing mistake.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

I feel you, bro. That’s why I posted here and still post here. I didn’t like friends hanging themself, overdosing, and shooting themselves. Over some t~~~ that doesn’t care. I cared about these men. Our methods just differ. Yours seems to be the AA “fake it ’till you make it”. Just keep on trucking guys and s~~~ will get better. Well it does, but not because the world gets better, it’s because you get wiser. Hang in there and you will no longer give a s~~~, is a better explanation. -That’s why these men on the graph have more SMV/money, is because they said TO HELL with women. Some men still give a s~~~ though, and herein is revealed why men stay blue-pill, because the truth is so powerful it literally destroys worlds. To a blue-pill man, death or the red-pill is a true dilemma. I never wanted to take the red pill, but it was the only option left to save my sanity.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

the definition of the Wall is that it’s when your charms stop working to your advantage in life.
men never have advantage in life because of their charms anyways, so the whole question is false. the Wall is only applicable to women

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Snake wrote:

I didn’t like friends hanging themself, overdosing, and shooting themselves. Over some t~~~ that doesn’t care. I cared about these men.

That’s what I’m talking’ ’bout.

Yours seems to be the AA “fake it ’till you make it”. Just keep on trucking guys and s~~~ will get better. Hang in there and you will no longer give a s~~~, is a better explanation.

We’re saying the same s~~~. Let me explain.

If I could pass something on to younger guy, it would be practicing indifference towards women, Not wait until your 35 and successful and then you’ll be rewarded. REAL indifference. Like truly / madly / deeply not giving a f~~~ if you ever get laid again. Understanding it has no value. THAT is when panties seem to magically fall off on their own – but you have to believe it and it takes a while. You have to be able to look at a hott chick and say ……. “meh. I might let her blow me”. A real take-it-or-leave it attitude.

As soon as I got to that place…. a sweet young thing came over to my place, brought me take out breakfast, watched me eat it – in bed – and then sucked my dick and swallowed. And then she drove me to work.

To me , that was un-f~~~ing-believable.
All that giving a s~~~, buying flowers, asking them to dance, taking them out, “caring” didn’t matter a damn.

I turn 33 and blow jobs and breakfast are delivered to my place.
I swear to god, I could have said “mind if I fart?” and she would have kept sucking.

That’s just ONE example, of how it gets better. But I didn’t understand it!!!
…. until I saw that SMV chart.

…. and I was like….

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Russky wrote:

the definition of the Wall is that it’s when your charms stop working to your advantage in life.
men never have advantage in life because of their charms anyways, so the whole question is false. the Wall is only applicable to women

This is a pretty spot on succinct post. The reason why the proverbial “wall” is always applied to women, is because a young attractive woman literally has to do NOTHING to attract every man around her, and have everything in the world thrown at her. She can literally post an ad on an online dating site disqualifying men. Saying nothing what she offers, but everything she doesnt want, and explicitly say how “picky” she is, calling herself a “princess” and still have hundreds of replies.

Even the best looking men dont receive this kind of treatment in such frequency and with such ferocity, as a girl does. Unless their rich/famous. Even the best of looking men, still have to posess and exude: confidence, charm, humor, and wit. I have witnessed girls drooling over the fictional “chad thunder c~~~” at parties, then after 5 minutes say – “I liked him until he opened his mouth”. Its NEVER the same for men, no matter how good looking they are; which is why I dont like the phrase “chad thunder c~~~”.

The Irony of the SMV Graph

It ought to be called the Utility of Mens Market Value. The entire irony is that the sexual drive of a man at 38 – during his “peak smv”- is but a fraction of what it was when he was 16. Ironically this is around the time that girls begin to realise how much they can exploit men via their bodies, and are about to peak themselves.

Most mens biggest concern at 38+ isnt getting his dick wet; nothing like when he was younger. His SMV only peaks because his utility peaks (more money/resources) and because women in the 30+ age bracket become more desperate as they are losing their looks.

I tend to agree with how I read Snakes view on this. If you perceive the SMV graph for what it truly is, it only serves to substantiate your red pill view; and can p~~~ you off. What – now that I know longer have as high of a sex drive, its easier for me to bed girls who are no longer the: young, nubile, sexy creatures I wanted; but instead they are the old, haggard, non slinky females? And even then, the reason why Im more valuable to them is because of some ancillary benefit I bring to the table?

Not too exciting or uplifting.

Resident cynic.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

And even then, the reason why Im more valuable to them is because of some ancillary benefit I bring to the table? Not too exciting or uplifting.

THAT I agree with. In my above example, I was of a “perceived higher status” than she.
However, the facts remain……

Exactly the same guy……. never would have happened at 18…… happens at 33.
Women can’t say the same. They don’t have more options at 33+.

The dynamic completely flips and is very real.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Still thinking on this- almost no girl 18-25 would choose to have sex with a 38 year old man vs a younger one, based solely on a physical, sexual experience, barring daddy issues. They would view him as LTR material based on his: experience, wealth, and resources. But not strictly for sex.

Its a utility graph. Not sexual.

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

The dynamic completely flips and is very real.

I agree. Im thinking out loud in my posts, in response to the entire thread.

Its just a complete irony that the entire graph shows an inversion of mens desires and what is obtainable. A young, un-worldly wise man with hormones raging at 18 might give his left nut to spend 12 hours behind locked doors with the sultry girl next door. But finally when the man reaches an age that he has cash to spare or any other utility the girl wants, he no longer has an unbridled desire to f~~~ her. Hes thinking rarionally, and isnt in a fit of testosterone rage. Even then, he now realizes the girl doesnt want what he wants. It is a quid pro quo, but not my dick for your pussy. Its my pussy for your utility…And btw, my pussy is used and dried up now.

Resident cynic.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Still thinking on this- almost no girl 18-25 would choose to have sex with a 38 year old man vs a younger one, based solely on a physical, sexual experience, barring daddy issues.

That’s patently false. I admit my personal experience is no example or proof of anything, but from 23 to 36 I basically had the same career / line of work and I wasn’t making bucks or in a power position. Worked wth a lot of women. Options ramped up at 26 and rapidly accelerated in my early 30s. No denying it and I wasn’t the only one.

I didn’t have “affairs” and impromptu “flings” when I was 19. I was having them way more in my 30s.

Pick a career….. basketball star,……. cirque de soliel acrobat………. police officer. And lets assume no promotions or raises or status increases. You will be more attractive to women at 30+ than you ever were at 20. Im quite surprised you maintain your position on that.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[No CountryParticipant 759]

Naw man, he’ll naw. I believe you’d get your ass kicked for saying something like that. -Laurence (Office Space)

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