Disappointed. A missive to Keymaster.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

JVB wrote:

Thanks for all you do KM.

505vikingo wrote:

Great work on the upgrades. Thank you for all you do!

Your kindness is very appreciated – especially at this time.

And it was luck when JVB caught me one afternoon a couple weeks ago. I contacted him back on the spot and assisted him in logging in manually. It worked for him and we’ve done this for many.. but like I said, its’ not a solution. It helps a few guys out – RIGHT NOW – and I think I’m doing good and they are happy(!)….. but then it sinks that I really didn’t accomplish anything. 32K others are still waiting at the door.

So special thanks to JVB, Mickey and so many of you (above) who weren’t sore about it.

You are bigger men than I am.

( when we were caught in the same loop, I was P~~~ED. )

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[HermitParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

You know what I like about the forums now?
They are peaceful.

Yes, it definitely has a different feel to it. I like to have a little fun once in a while, but the s~~~ storms were too frequent.

I’m sorry to keep saying this, but the shakeup was a good thing.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Keymaster wrote:

Gargamel wrote:

And I also noticed it getting slower each month.

About 2-4 weeks ago, we worked with a team to boost the site speed and make the DB more efficient. BIG improvement. But yes it was getting bloated – which was ANOTHER problem. And the error logs filled up …. so I made the declaration the new site has to have NO ERRORS , WARNINGS or NOTICES in the syntax, or we will stay up until the error is removed.

…. and while I am fixing that problem, rumors fly that I’m getting married.

Gargamel wrote:

But then the rumors began and I became worried about the work we invested here by writing 1000’s of threads and posts. And saving our writings suddenly became an A-task, keeping me busy.

We can always export that and give it to you directly so don’t put yourself through that kind of stress. But the whole site is already backed up in 3 places. Most importantly, we need to maintain high-value discourse in the forums or they won’t BE worth saving.

Well you have become famous!

Now you are a “celebrity” and have to deal with rumors and simply everything public persons have to deal with.

Welcome to the club.

I was a “local hero” for 18 years and there was nothing not told about me…

In such a position you can no longer live like everyone else… Every burp that escapes your throat will make the local news and be “overblown” to the point of people calling you “A man with no manners”…

They see you with a beer and that – all of a sudden – makes you an “alcoholic”…

Once you “have made it” into “fame”:

Your critics and jealous people are “waiting” for the tiniest “offensive” or “irregular” action on your part just to gossip everything all over in an attempt to cause your business serous damage.

I still can’t walk around freely in my hometown.

KM, don’t ever get doxxed or the entire world will get to know your name and face… And then all you can do is step forward and openly say everything on your position. And hope your business keeps going in spite of that.

That’s how I got my “label” as a misogynist. And then I made my statements out in public so I would be left alone and my business ONLY relied on quality and the lack of bad things they could throw in my direction.

The local “housec~~~ leeches” all hated me but almost all of them came back with their otherwise unsolvable technical problems…

Well, all married and socially integrated men had to give up jobs like mine and so a had a quasi-monopoly.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[HermitParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

So special thanks to JVB, Mickey and so many of you (above) who weren’t sore about it.

I still can’t understand why anyone would be p~~~ed off about it and go so f~~~ing nuts. This is a virtual world, not the real world. I did not like the inability to log in, but figured it would eventually get fixed……or not……

Thanks, Keymaster, for this site and for letting us use it.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[HermitParticipant]

I’m just here for my right hand man brother Untamed.

Well, for whatever reason you’re here, it’s good to see you. I’ve always enjoyed seeing your posts and interacting with you and I have considered you a friend.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Keymaster wrote:

It’s not really surprising, because when they speculate and rumor about how I got married or got a girlfriend and I suddenly tossed everything away to be with her …. well , its totally ridiculous, isn’t it?

THEY: “KEYMASTER WAS ABDUCTED AND FINGERED BY ALIENS, WORKS FOR THE CIA, GOT A GIRLFRIEND AND GOT MARRIED!!!”

ME: “Hello and good afternoon. We finally fixed the login probs….”

Guilty here:

I fabricated the “cat breeder rumor”. But no one took it seriously. At least no one who knows this site and is familiar with my constant ridiculing of lonely cat ladies.

One way to display the ridiculousness of rumors is to make one so “out-of-line” that it looks more funny than “actually true”.

I was more worried about your health or that you might be in the hospital after some unforeseen mishap.

And I am glad you were not abducted by aliens (or some one phone call #metoo s~~~)!

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[JVBParticipant]

MarketWatcher wrote:

JVB wrote:

So we were down for a few weeks and couldn’t log in including me. How’s that a major train smash in ones life? Come of fellas !!!!

Thanks for all you do KM.

We lost many who vow to NEVER return. This was almost like a purge. This site will go on regardless.

100%.

Peace is > piece.

[JakeParticipant 909]

I couldn’t log on ,keymaster I was in a bad way , I was thinking maybe ill trust women again where were you. im laughing while I type glad to be back site better than ever

[Anonymous 12]

Untamed wrote:

I have to give it you, bro. You got one hell of an imagination but you know jacks~~~ about me.

Good.
But you keep caring, which, afterall aint so bad.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Keymaster wrote:

I hate doing anything out of “obligation”, but MGTOW.com is not an “obligation” and I never wanted it to be. When it becomes an obligation, it looses all its appeal. I have enough “obligations” already and if this becomes another one, It’s not going to be enjoyable. And I need to love it.

I started to think
(and I am sharing this with you)…

“Don’t tell me I need to be in the forums every day in order for this to work. I’m not MGTOW. I’m just one man. Whatever needs to be done, I should be able to leave for a month or two if necessary to take care of other s~~~ – or chill on a beach for two weeks. Thats “going your own way”. And if I can’t do that, then something needs to be done so that I CAN do that. This isn’t Wells Fargo. This isn’t the White House. The place should continue to function without me. and if it can’t, lets MAKE it so that it can. But how???”

Thinking out loud even further …..
(this is difficult to put into words )

If the website is going to “go down” ( or die in an overall sense) because of s~~~ty over-all attitudes , petty drama, and junk fights and screaming fits – simply because I/admins and mods are not here – then something is wrong. If other MGTOW kill it, then maybe it deserves to die.

I (or someone) can build it. But if just one man’s non-presence is required for it to go on, then s~~~ needs to be done differently. So rebuilding it will hopefully “free” me in a way and assign management to ANYONE who wants to be a part of it. Wouldn’t that be nice? To GIVE it more to the community???

Wouldn’t it be nice to build in the ability to allow MGTOW to grow the site themselves? It should be set up to GROW – not die or fizzle out because one man isn’t here. Thats’ just not right. I don’t want to be THAT important to the site that it will die if I die. As I was sick, these thoughts were going through my head.

So I devised an overall plan to do this – somehow. I think it’s gonna work too. We’re just gonna need everyone to come together and agree on ONE thing even if we disagree on everything else….. That this place is not gonna die. Or even better, that it’s gonna live and rock on.

I called you the “Kindergarten Cop” because I know the situation getting out of hand when there is no control over “certain critical parts” of the membership base.

There are “trolls” and there are “trolls”. I already elaborated on the big difference between them.

And those trolls sent here to disrupt must be dealt with by an admin.

And we always offer you any help you need. Maybe a special channel (for s-e-l-e-c-t-e-d observers)(the 500 Server Error still exists) to give you updates on really important matters or hand you trolls on a sliver platter so you can “batch-review” them and “batch-delete” with less time and effort.

But I know well how much time it takes to be on the actual forums and participate… And unless you won the lottery or have a “life in bed” health sentence you can’t be here all of the time.

And your alert feature already worked well. Plus I now see you fixed the “follow/unfollow” feature and the PM rights for new members.

Posting here had become really high quality again after these trolls were made silent. (Around May 2018)

So that’s all we need to keep going forever. You have a life and we see the point.

Managing 30000 members can only be done with automatic mechanisms, which you do install. Self delete, Self upgrade, downgrade…

That will take a lot of workload from you.

Manning the punt button will also become a concentrated batch effort. When these trolls can no longer interfere with the forums, most of the s~~~ that was going on would never have happened.

Spectator status can’t do any harm if the rights are restricted. And then they can wait for you to be deleted.

And I would wish to have a thread locking system that can be used to shut down inner fighting. We can then self-admin the bulls~~~ and maybe park such threads in a section away from the public eye.

So you can “batch”-look at them and decide quickly on their fate…

And if members want to have fun with tuna, let them have it. But again I suggest a direct line for us to give you “Litter Box contenders” on a silver platter. So you don’t have to waste time reading up on drama and bulls~~~.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

I have to say that I agree with the comments the OP posted. Many of us on here rely on this community to keep us sane. Myself, I actually got depressed when this site went down. I am a real loner and have no friends and this site is one of my few contacts with the outside world. I do not have the exact specifics but some of the comments from KM during the issue were actually quite flippant and even a little insulting. Along the lines of: “Members shouldn’t have a problem logging on. If they are having a problem that’s their problem” As though we were idiots who didn’t know what was going on.

While I respect the thought that we should have been patient and not taken it personally, we all have to remember that we all have different experiences. While this website was down GOOGLE was also blocking me from other “alt” websites like “Breibart” and “A Voice For Men” saying the website could not be reached.

This had me very concerned that there was some sort of internet coup going on (think of Alex Jones just this week) and that it was no longer safe to visit these sites for fear of being doxxed.

This may not have occurred to you or happened to you but for me it was very scary.

What I am getting at is that this site is not like other sites. There is a risk on this site because it contradicts the prevailing attitudes of the time and can be viewed as being treasonous, which can have repercussions regarding employment, social connections etc…

There are lots of people that I would not want to know I post here and to me the security of this site needs to be sacrosanct. I am more worried about being “outed” on this site than I would be to lose my security on my bank accounts.

Again, not all of us manage websites or are that technically proficient and we have cause for concern for these situations. I get that KM is MGTOW and observes many of the same no f~~~s given attitudes as the rest of us but he should also be wearing many hats, customer service being one of them.

A little more communication and sensitivity would have been nice.

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

chir wrote:

I also was affected by the “login weirdness” around the end of June. My only thought was “aw bollocks, I hope the site didn’t get compromised.”

This was my point. How did I know when I couldn’t log in or get updates that the whole site wasn’t compromised and our e-mail addresses weren’t sent to “Jezebel” enmasse or some other feminist website?

[chirParticipant]

Well I can’t help you there. I have been on other forums in the past going back to the days of dial up and BBS’s. First rule when dealing with forums is to use a throw-away email address ( I still have it active but its not traceable back to my RL) and to then put on your asbestos longjohns to keep the burns down when you get flamed. KeK…

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Zarathustra wrote:

I do not have the exact specifics but some of the comments from KM during the issue were actually quite flippant and even a little insulting. Along the lines of: “Members shouldn’t have a problem logging on. If they are having a problem that’s their problem” As though we were idiots who didn’t know what was going on.

That’s what earned him the kitties.

And the bottle feeding videos I posted and laughed about for hours.

LOL.

It sounded as if his girlfriend had posted it. Rumors all have a starting point.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Keymaster wrote:

…. and while I am fixing that problem, rumors fly that I’m getting married.

Gargamel wrote:

But then the rumors began and I became worried about the work we invested here by writing 1000’s of threads and posts. And saving our writings suddenly became an A-task, keeping me busy.

We can always export that and give it to you directly so don’t put yourself through that kind of stress. But the whole site is already backed up in 3 places. Most importantly, we need to maintain high-value discourse in the forums or they won’t BE worth saving.

Well at that point in time is was hard to get a copy from a website whose owner is not responding. We didn’t know you’d be coming back.

But having a feature to download your posts (like facebook is now employing it) is a good idea.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[Daryll55Participant 2953]

So, lemme get this straight,………

Keymaster got fingered by an Alien which made him want 7 cats, and then got a GF, which forced him to get married ??
(no wonder the site went down !)
LOLOL, sry KM, I couldn’t resist that!

Truthfully, I wasn’t too concerned at all. Us “old dogs” know the true meaning of patience. When the “fix”, didn’t fix the log-in issue,I thought there may be some kind of cyber hacking going on.

I like the new look from the update, great job KM and crew!

Marry again, Hell NO ! ( Even JESUS was hung on a cross just once)

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Daryll55 wrote:

Keymaster got fingered by an Alien which made him want 7 cats, and then got a GF, which forced him to get married ??
(no wonder the site went down !)
LOLOL, sry KM, I couldn’t resist that!

KM has not yet seen the best of my storytelling abilities.

Besides from the truth bombs I post here I can create fictional stories that once got my second “girlfriend” pretty mad:

I told her in all details that I just hired payload on the Ariane Space Vehicle to launch our “little Cyclops” (The yelling scarcrow owner of our local pizza place) into space and let him drift through the universe. And I told her the story in such intricate detail that she started to believe most of it…

My father had the same abilities: Reading an essay in school from a blank piece of paper and the teacher was speechless. (He had forgotten his homework and the teacher tested him…)

How about:

The kittens in KM’s women’s shelter are in fact his own. It is his 273 cat backyard horde and they are now all grown up.

And he needed 3 weeks off to take them to the vet for vaccinations and parasite worm treatments.

And his other websites are about buying and selling pure breed cats.

So much for the rumor department of today.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[Buller100Participant 2189]

I am sure the Admin guys did their best , I thought the site was finished .. so well pleased to be back in today …

Thanks guys

[SpiderHerderParticipant 3776]

Yes, definitely glad to be able to use the site again.

It is the only place I can share higher thoughts and chat with similar-minded men. Although I didn’t feel any negative emotion vis-a-vis the inability to log in, I did feel a little bit cold. Like when someone takes away your blanky in the middle of the night. lol

Glad to see you again, Untamed.

Thank you so much for the Zoom session invite at the beginning of the year, unfortunately I was taking a break from the site (just applying my newly-found wisdom in my everyday life… also watching a lot of MGTOW is Freedom’s John videos hehe).

[UntamedParticipant]

SpiderHerder wrote:

Yes, definitely glad to be able to use the site again.

It is the only place I can share higher thoughts and chat with similar-minded men. Although I didn’t feel any negative emotion vis-a-vis the inability to log in, I did feel a little bit cold. Like when someone takes away your blanky in the middle of the night. lol

Glad to see you again, Untamed.

Thank you so much for the Zoom session invite at the beginning of the year, unfortunately I was taking a break from the site (just applying my newly-found wisdom in my everyday life… also watching a lot of MGTOW is Freedom’s John videos hehe).

Yeah, I don’t like the tone of the original post now looking back a day, Spider… I should’ve injected a load of humor in it as you’ve done with your analogy of the blanky because it’s not like I was in agony or anything, lol. Worried is what I should’ve let transpire overall.
I’m glad Kemaster and I were able to chat, though. He’s awesome in his understanding and kindness.

It’s good to see you, man!

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
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