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I’m not surprised men are angry, I was surprised MGTOW’s are angry. When I went looking for MGTOW related stuff I understood it to be the definition of a state we’re in not so much a path we’re on. Based on the replies here the latter seems more accurate. I posed the question and some background because I was curious, nothing more.
Did you throw in the tuna remark to exemplify what you meant with ‘In the “real world” men can’t openly talk about their issues without being shamed or ostracised’ or was that just a coincidence?
I don’t mind admitting I’m angry. I get angry with all forms of bullying and unfair treatment and push back accordingly. The fact that you are surprised to find anger here is surprising to me, and well, a bit tuna. I only found this group of gentlemen a few weeks ago and it is this group alone which has greatly reduced my anger. In the “real world” men can’t openly talk about their issues without being shamed or ostracised. Trust me MGTOW is helping to reduce anger and saving a lot of guys from long term mental health issues. I feel my anger subsiding just writing that.
I had a long winded response for this worked up, however these gentlemen have answered the OP in a more eloquent fashion than I could ever do. Yes there is some bitterness, anger, outrage, and sorrow. A person will not be able to heal what ails them without treatment, sometimes it involves pain. That is part of the process. After hearing how I, as a man, need to express my “feelings” for most of my life (primarily from women), then being told to MAN UP and shut up by society in general, I get a mixed message there. I have had enough of the agony aunts, concern trolls, and snake oil saleswomen trying to sell me a s~~~ sandwich like it is good for me.
I come here to read, try to understand, sympathize, and acknowledge other MEN, and not be saturated by a world geared to appease women.
There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it
Anonymous1I come here to read, try to understand, sympathize, and acknowledge other MEN, and not be saturated by a world geared to appease women.
Amen. 😀
I was surprised MGTOW’s are angry
Really?? WHY???
Anger is a legitimate emotion in the face of injustice.
To be “surprised” when men are mistreated through the legal system is anti-male it itself. That 19 year old kid was framed by 13 chicks who didn’t like that he has a choice of women. Did you really expect him to be HAPPY about it? The kid as been in jail for over a year. To think that can happen to you – or me – or anyone here on the f~~~ing whims of a bunch of vindictive jealous bitches is enough to make any man “angry’.
Do you mind?
Only a person with such a callous indifference to the humanity of men would NOT have a problem with that.
I’m not giving you s~~~. Im trying to make you understand. Anger is a legitimate emotion in the face of injustice. To pretend otherwise could almost justify why a man would be so goddam furious that he would become violent. The days of men being expected to just “roll over and take it like a man” are f~~~ing OVER.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Well yes indeed it is a dilemma. There are two things going on here. The first is anger and the second is total indifference.
Most of the guys here on MGTOW have had to have their heads given a good shake before they have woken up. When I say a good shake I mean they’ve had to face the injustice of divorce (including the injustices in finances, pension, retirement savings, family trusts, loss of home, car, kids, and court orders for alimony, and child support), the injustice of being unfairly incarcerated or detained for supposed domestic violence, false rape, false charges of child molestation, work place sexual harassment charges, woman dominated human resources departments, and the injustices in the post Affirmative Action era in obtaining bursaries and scholarships for higher education, access to available positions (student openings) in universities, colleges and training and re-training, in the jobs market, especially middle and upper management where hiring women is politically correct, quotas, glass ceilings, injustices in child support, maternity leave, day care services and subsidies, and employee acceptance of single parent difficulties, etc. These injustices, in many cases, has resulted in male frustration, due out and out hindrance or obstruction to their advancement or success in life. Sure we throw a fit and express our anger, much of the time at women, the root cause. Not to mention having to deal with women in the area of male/feamale relationships on top of all that.
The second is total indifference. If a guy is lucky enough to get past all the hurdles set out above and reaches a point in his life where he is satisfied, successful, happy with his life, and answerable to only himself then yes, we can actually reach “Nervana”. The point where there is absolutely no point in giving a s~~~. You can actually get to the point of thinking like a Trappist Monk or “Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to loose.
Okay I agree you are not actually saying this. But being MGTOW is the whole gamete of Going Your Own Way from dumping an ex, getting out of a marriage, jumping from one relationship to another with out humility, living the life of a sworn bachelor, being able to snub marriage, to finally being your own man with absolutely no care (doesn’t give a s~~~), for women or the system.
Like I said before I’m new to MGTOW as a group, my anger is reducing and with more help from these guys I might reach that indifference peaceful stage. I hope so, it’s not good for humans generally to carry around too much anger.
The Tuna remark I meant it as its a bit fishy to me that you come on here and say how surprised you are to find anger and bitterness, and how we shouldn’t react and just accept that’s the way women are? “Oh look mommy has the knife in her hand again”… “that’s ok son that’s just the way women are”. The hive mentality, we can’t help it, it’s our time of the month etc I just can’t accept it. Women are adults and need to show responsibility too. So yes to me it’s a bit fishy and a bit trolly that you suggest we just accept women’s messed up behaviour…it’s not their fault after all, poor things.
Most of the guys here on MGTOW have had to have their heads given a good shake before they have woken up. When I good shake I mean they have had to face the injustice of divorce
Another mistake. I don’t need to personally experience that – and I haven’t. MGTOW.COM doesn’t exist because that s~~~ happened to me (or any of us) personally. You don’t need to personally murder someone to know that it’s wrong. But I am also sick and tired of seeing young men put a f~~~ing bullet in their heads because they “can’t get laid”. 10 minutes with me and Elliot Roger + 6 people would still be alive today. Because I know that “female rejection” is not devastating. It’s a goddam joke.
And we are here for a MUCH more important cause then “bitching about women”.
We are here to SAVE LIVES, FUTURES and FORTUNES. And we have.This isn’t just an issue about “anger” or “misogyny” or “indifference”.
This is a life mission to SAVE LIVES. Think bigger. MUCH bigger.It isn’t just some f~~~ing guy on youtube turning on his microphone because he’s “angry”. We are changing the world. Don’t laugh. It’s true. I have 3 thank you letters that say “thank you for saving my life” on them. F~~~ “misogyny” right in the ass. Its’ all worth it, I don’t care what anyone else calls it. We are effectively helping men in a tangible and rewarding way. Stopped 7 weddings in 4 years and the men STILL call me to say thanks.
Ruined more than the Bride’s hair, but who gives a f~~~ about that?
MGTOW is common sense for men.
No dilemma about it. What we – and the combined effort of everyone here – are doing here is f~~~ing awesome. No other way to see it.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Badkan, thanks for some further information concerning the feminist movement. The point I was trying to make (which I evidently didn’t make) was how far away from helping women this movement has gone. In other words, from helping women to bashing men which is what the womens movement has become today. But thanks for your point of view.
Life as a single man come with so much less complications. .As a MGTOW i am able to see this in ways that i simply could not before.
frankly my dear i don't give a damn
The other thing that makes us different from the wretched bitches that are feminists is that we are trying to get the world to see the truth by challenging opinion with fact, as opposed to shoving rhetoric down people’s throats. We aren’t recruiting and indoctrinating, we’re growing organically. We spread the truth and people join the cause. They want women to hurt men. We want men to know that and protect themselves.
"You can keep your soul, I don't want a cell-mate." - Them Crooked Vultures
… my anger is reducing and with more help from these guys I might reach that indifference peaceful stage. I hope so, it’s not good for humans generally to carry around too much anger.
Well, there you go, bro’ (and welcome by the way)… … just as my initial anger was reduced, too. There is indeed solid reason in that hope of yours.
The hive mentality, we can’t help it, it’s our time of the month etc I just can’t accept it. Women are adults and need to show responsibility too.
And it seems you are a keen and quick learner keep it up, dude. We are all getting there together in the collective learning process.
Albeit every now and then it will or should also be our duty to reason with the still angry newcomers so to speak and that cannot only be the job of Keymaster, but all of the more seasoned members should support him in that regard, as that being part of our responsibilty so as to keep anger within a reasonable level basically. If we didn’t we’d shoot ourselves into our own foot or wouldn’t we..?
I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC
Anonymous1The point I was trying to make (which I evidently didn’t make) was how far away from helping women this movement has gone. In other words, from helping women to bashing men which is what the womens movement has become today
Hey Poke,
I got your point. And my point it is that the women’s movement was never about “just helping women“. It was to do it on MEN’s lives expense. It never WAS, not just it ISN’T TODAY. And, as far as I can tell, it is not my OPINION, its HISTORY.
Here is another video, on how little women’s rights movement thinks about men’s lives.
Again, not an OPINION, but a FACT (at least, as close as you can get to one):
If anyone has anything that can prove the contrary, I would be glad to see it.
Cheers.
Anonymous11I’ve passed the hating stage so many, many years ago.
I do know what will happen to me if I jump onto some railroad tracks right in front of a speeding train, yet I don’t hate trains. Hate is a normal phase of recovery so do not disrespect MGTOWs who are going through it.
Imagine, a young child being indoctrinated into a systemic social construct against their own best interest. Growing up BELIEVING in that way of life as the ideal, only to be lead to their ultimate day of reckoning as an adult, when the HAZE of deceit and false expectations of a fantasy that never existed bring them crashing into reality.
Now an awakened shell shocked adult with all his investment in a futile artificial fantasy shattered, I wonder what kind of an emotional response would be appropriate:
1/ Initially?
2/ Upon realizing the deceit perpetrated upon him?
3/ While observing the ongoing injustice of a corrupt social order?
4/ While trying to adjust to his broken fantasy, and ugly reality?
5/ When overcoming the obstacles to fulfill his destiny?
Every MGTOW is at different stages on their own path and some are rightfully angry, working things out, moving forward towards our own self actualized life, uncontaminated by social corruption, because we are AWARE, avoid minefields and see the traps hidden within fantasies.
I thank all the wise MGTOW that helped me overcome my circumstances, by building my knowledge and understanding and the MGTOW that went through them with me, they have helped me feel more like part of a community, we have shared invaluable experiences that I’ll never forget.
I know we’ll keep moving towards a bright future based on ourselves.
When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan
Blade, you are looking to find or stir up hatred. Your writing reeks of it.
By the way, about this bulls~~~ …
you can’t (shouldn’t?) fault a woman for being a woman any more than you can fault a mosquito for being a mosquito.
If you claim you’ve never swatted at a f~~~ing mosquito, or scratched that bite or groups of bites and said “goddamned f~~~in mosquitos” then you are flat out full of s~~~. Same thing goes for bees or scorpions or ant bites or whatever – you can fault the f~~~ing things for their f~~~ing nature all day, and you can do the same for chicks, and if you don’t then you are a mangina. Bet you don’t see a scorp and say “hey, I am not gonna judge that scorpion by the fact that every f~~~ing scorp I encounter stung me to f~~~. No, I am going to be a fair-minded gentlemangina and assume that scorp has a benign nature, and go pet its back. NASALT, baby, NASALT.” Yeah, sure you f~~~ing would. Not. So don’t show up with your holier than thou horses~~~ and f~~~ing act like you are shocked if people vent, just as you would about that throbbing scorp sting. Men f~~~ing vent here, yes, as well as intelligently discuss issues men face and how to avoid getting – as a man – f~~~ed by chicks and the s~~~ system that caters to their whiny bullcrap by simply opting not to play their f~~~ed up game or otherwise get them involved with [ruining] your life.
If you are MGTOW when you are young you have no heart.
If you're not MGTOW when you are 20 you have no brain.It’s a legal issue.
This is all it boils down to for me. I’m 31, have a good job, and a decent net worth for my age. Most women my age have debt. Why do I want to sign a marriage contract when the only two things I get from it are half of her debt, and giving her the right to half my assets if we were to split?
I’m not angry. I don’t hate women. I just don’t see a reason why I should sign over years of hard work to someone by marrying them when I could just date them and have exactly the same relationship minus their legal claim to any of my assets? If women want to bitch about men who view relationships that way…the ONLY reason is because they are bitter they can’t hook a meal ticket.
It’s a legal issue.
This is all it boils down to for me. I’m 31, have a good job, and a decent net worth for my age. Most women my age have debt. Why do I want to sign a marriage contract when the only two things I get from it are half of her debt, and giving her the right to half my assets if we were to split? I’m not angry. I don’t hate women. I just don’t see a reason why I should sign over years of hard work to someone by marrying them when I could just date them and have exactly the same relationship minus their legal claim to any of my assets? If women want to bitch about men who view relationships that way…the ONLY reason is because they are bitter they can’t hook a meal ticket.
Bang on Beer
Pull the truth/logic out first, can you also pull a unicorn out of your hat?
There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it
I’m not angry. I don’t hate women.
We should just stop saying that. I’m serious. Just band together and just stop explaining it to these people. They’re a waste of air. They don’t even have the capacity to ask “well….. why are they angry? ….. why do mgtow come off that way?? Are they justified?? Are they being unreasonable?”. For someone who “poked around” he obviously didn’t do enough homework or ask any hard questions, so he just signs up, says “you’re bitter” and that’s supposed to have credibility?
It’s always the same predictable cliche garbage every single time.
By the feminist playbook, it’s EXACTLY the same s~~~: “I sense anger and bitterness“.When a woman has a really big problem, and she’s vocal about it, what do these “men” do? They buy her f~~~ing flowers or take her out for dinner to make her FEEL better. When a guys are p~~~ed because they see a population of wives out scheming with a tranny trying to trap men into fatherhood against their knowledge or consent and he wants no part of it…. it’s just “You’re angry and bitter”. And it didn’t even have to happen to him personally!!
It’s so pathetic it’s hilarious!
When we get this s~~~ again from now on, don’t explain yourself. Ask them to MENTION THE SPECIFICS and bring an SPECIFIC EXAMPLE of where they think MGTOW are unreasonable. Don’t even f~~~ing answer them until they have done that. “Before we respond to you, go away and bring me the EXCACT problem and point out how it’s wrong, and what problem you have with it.”. When you ask them to do that, they run for the f~~~ing hills.
We get emails like: “Do you (MGTOW) hate women?”. We don’t answer “no” or start explaining. We play stupid (like we don’t understand the point of the question) and ask them to bring us EXACTLY what it is – with specifics – that made them ask the question so that we can clarify. Forcing them to do this means they have to go find a video (or article) and SHOW how the criticism is wrong or unjustifiable.
There has never ONCE been a reply.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.If you went to prison for false rape or domestic abuse you will more likely to sing a different tune. If you had to deal with the white knights you would sing a different tune. Most women are c~~~s and that’s why I don’t deal with them. There is little to no value communicating with a woman.
Feminists are angry because they believe they been screwed or at least pretend to be. MGTOW men have been screwed by the court system. MGTOW men are especially angry when they have been tossed in prison for false rape or domestic abuse and they should be p~~~ed off. In time he will learn to deal with anger and put it to good use.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
Your point is well taken and I like Thorium and I have learned much from that video which you have included. I must however, take us back further in time. A time when man and women first appeared on earth. The woman has always known she was inferior in mind and body. Because of these two very notable differences between man and woman, the woman has had an uphill battle in always getting what she wanted. Aside from using her body, which only provided mostly the man with sexual fulfillment, the woman has then always wanted more, and will always try to obtain more than what she can get from her vagina (her only point of leverage). Since the history of man, the woman has always gained from her anatomy. They use it today. The point here is that women are less than man in those respects. But, unfortunately, they continue to want more. Over history, man, in order to get what he wants, continues to “do” for women as they continue to hold back from man what they want. namely sex. Hence our modern society. That is the main reason we have the world and it’s modern conveniences that exist today. The women however have gone way over the cliff and now we have the biggest feminazi mess on our hands imaginable, and we are no longer dealing with it. We are MGTOW!
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