Complicated

[BuckParticipant 22]

Hopefully you guys will understand me and accept that I’m here as a support for MGTOW. Personally I’m old and married nearly 50 years, having two sons. One son is a real MGTOW, although I never saw him as such until I ran across MGTOW. Probably over the years I’ve hurt him although I quit asking why he didn’t get married after a year or so after his Ph.D. He’s a minimalist in the true sense, and because of that, was able to quit his job @ age 48 and has plenty to live on. I’m hoping that I’ll understand him more from hearing from you all.
Still, I think I should say that I deny that married men are all sad, depressed, psychologically impotent people. I’ve seen a few posts where recently divorced men express disappointment in the terrible ways the courts have treated them especially in regards to their kids. I know the law is terribly flawed. The other thing is the TV – – men, especially white ones, are constantly shown how dumb and inadequate they are, which is why I don’t watch most shows. They will gradually change the way a man sees himself. Doubtless there are a lot of women who take advantage of that and of men. Fortunately I have one who isn’t like that, and my second son found (perhaps the only other) one. Try not to be too hard on us.

[joetechParticipant]

Sometimes going your own way includes taking a woman with you for the ride of life. There’s nothing wrong with that. Welcome to the forums, Buck. As a fellow “old guy” I’ve met men who have been married for over fifty years. They’re the ones that have good women by their side. Those men are few and far between. I’ve had two failed marriages and a disastrous long term unmarried relationship. I’m done. I laugh to myself when I walk into an establishment and I see some gal my age checking me out. I find myself wondering how many guys she’s screwed over in her lifetime. Your son is smart. Finding a life partner in today’s toxic social environment is tricky business, and it’s just too dangerous in my opinion to even consider. Let him grow and thrive at his own pace. We here at the forum will probably be hard on you from time to time, but not as hard as the world will be. Be patient with us. We speak from experience and knowledge with plenty of evidence and facts to back up our views. We don’t hate women. We just don’t trust them.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Hey buck, cheers to your son.

Wow 48 and totally out of the plantation? Awesome.

I hope I can do the same when I’m 50.

Welcome.

Well maybe a men with a women in his life can go his own way… I can’t see it though, is like climbing the Everest carrying a boulder…

Im no superman, but hey, the piramids are still there and their construction sounds impossible.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[CthulhuParticipant 698]

We don’t live in the 1950s anymore. The marriage you’ve had is truly a blessed one. I’ve had two failed marriages myself. While I served my country, both had affairs. I don’t blame them. I chose weak women. The bad news is, most, if not all, women my age and younger are weak, demanding individuals that consider themselves to be my equal. They aren’t. I looked past my second wife’s infidelity until she did it again. A man doesn’t need a woman, but a woman needs a man. In our absence, see what they do. Now, look at what we do when we remove ourselves from them. Men create, build, rebuild, recreate and improve. Women tear down and consume. At least those my age and younger do. I salute your son, sir. He hasn’t fallen into any traps set by society.

Why vote for a lesser evil? #ICETHEMOUT

[TrailbossParticipant 1844]

Just because you are married 50 years, it don’t mean your gonna be married 51…or 53…Count your blessings and prepare for the worst. Just in case….

An educated, armed populace cannot be enslaved.

[SH3LLZParticipant 5569]

Women will point to us and say, “MGTOW hate women!”

That’s just not true. We hate the gynocentric society that belittle men and uses and abuses us for the hard work we do.

We hate that as men we’re expected to compensate for a woman who takes zero responsibility for her actions and yet get to chew into what we build and then call us worthless.

I do believe there are good women still out there…

But they can be warped so easily by this twisted society… Like the Eddie Murphy joke goes… “what have you done for me lately?”

A woman’s answer is basically worthless.

Good for you having found one of the last good ones.

#ICETHEMOUT

#ICETHEMOUT!!! #MANOUT!!! #HIDEYOURWEALTH #VAGINAISWORTHLESS

[HermitParticipant]

SH3LLZ wrote:

Women will point to us and say, “MGTOW hate women!”

That’s just not true. We hate the gynocentric society that belittle men and uses and abuses us for the hard work we do.

We hate that as men we’re expected to compensate for a woman who takes zero responsibility for her actions and yet get to chew into what we build and then call us worthless.

I do believe there are good women still out there…

But they can be warped so easily by this twisted society… Like the Eddie Murphy joke goes… “what have you done for me lately?”

A woman’s answer is basically worthless.

Good for you having found one of the last good ones.

#ICETHEMOUT

Agreed. I don’t hate women. I don’t even hate my x anymore. I’m just not going to ever take a chance again and put myself in a position where I can be controlled due to todays stupid laws.

Buck, if you’re truly happy in you marriage, then I salute you. I was just speaking with a gentleman today who says he’s very happy with his wife. I find it difficult to believe and I was telling him that he’s just trying to convince himself that he’s happy, but he insists that he is.

I just don’t see the reason for it. What is the purpose of being married? If you like someone and want to be with them, then just be with them. What’s the purpose of being legally bound to one another?

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[BuckParticipant 22]

Thanks for the welcome thoughts – – I thought I would get sh*t from the members but am happy that was not the case. A thoughtful man, going his way and doing his own thing can take different paths. I know there are some who feel a need to put down the “blue pill” person but in the long run we all make our own choices and live with them. Lots of guys here have been terribly and wrongfully hurt – not only by women but also by the social machinery. Years ago I was in business with two other guys. One made bad choices and legally really screwed myself and the third. The third guy never got over it and it has affected him ever since. Somehow I was able to forgive and move on and have been so much happier. The same thing goes, I think, for our relations with the blue pill guys – – be polite, let them live their life but don’t let any of their comments affect you and how you look at yourself and the path you are on.
Thanks for accepting me as I am, for I surely accept each and every guy who is going his own way.

[RomulusParticipant 4667]

Doubtless there are a lot of women who take advantage of that and of men. Fortunately I have one who isn’t like that, and my second son found (perhaps the only other) one. Try not to be too hard on us.

Congratulations Buck, on finding a good woman and having the good fortune to marry her! I’m not of the school that there isn’t anywhere ever a good relationship between a man and a woman. I’ve seen some that appear to me at least, to be a marriage where both are happy with each other.

Some of what folks communicate about on here, including myself, is venting at the unfairness we found thrust upon us when we willingly gave our heart to someone that abused it. Some of it is objection to just how one sided laws and social norms have become in favor of females (current manifestation….women must be believed).

But all that doesn’t preclude a happy union and if you have one, well, kiss your wife and count your blessings!

How can a woman be expected to be happy with a man who insists on treating her as if she were a perfectly normal human being.

[HermitParticipant]

Buck wrote:

Thanks for the welcome thoughts – – I thought I would get sh*t from the members but am happy that was not the case. A thoughtful man, going his way and doing his own thing can take different paths. I know there are some who feel a need to put down the “blue pill” person but in the long run we all make our own choices and live with them. Lots of guys here have been terribly and wrongfully hurt – not only by women but also by the social machinery. Years ago I was in business with two other guys. One made bad choices and legally really screwed myself and the third. The third guy never got over it and it has affected him ever since. Somehow I was able to forgive and move on and have been so much happier. The same thing goes, I think, for our relations with the blue pill guys – – be polite, let them live their life but don’t let any of their comments affect you and how you look at yourself and the path you are on.
Thanks for accepting me as I am, for I surely accept each and every guy who is going his own way.

I’m glad to hear that you stopped asking your son why he didn’t get married. He’s your son and I certainly wouldn’t try to tell you how to treat him, but I’ve told my son, 22 years old, how I feel about marriage and I’ve warned him not to do it and it’s up to him now. He has to make his own choices and I won’t bother him with my opinions on the matter anymore.

I just don’t believe marriage, (and women), are what they used to be “back in the day”. These days nothing about marriage can benefit a man. Over two decades of my life has been lost to misery because of marriage. A time in my life that should’ve been the best years. I’ve experienced and seen too much misery in marriages, my parents included. I look at a lot of married co-workers and see how unhappy they are and I thank God that I am free of that.

Again, if you’re really happy in your marriage, that’s great. Not sure how you believe you’ll be able to understand your son more by reading anything on this site. I would expect you could understand your son more by speaking with him and listening to what he has to say. If he’s happy doing what he’s doing and isn’t hurting anyone, then what’s to understand?

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Hermit wrote:

Buck wrote:

Thanks for the welcome thoughts – – I thought I would get sh*t from the members but am happy that was not the case. A thoughtful man, going his way and doing his own thing can take different paths. I know there are some who feel a need to put down the “blue pill” person but in the long run we all make our own choices and live with them. Lots of guys here have been terribly and wrongfully hurt – not only by women but also by the social machinery. Years ago I was in business with two other guys. One made bad choices and legally really screwed myself and the third. The third guy never got over it and it has affected him ever since. Somehow I was able to forgive and move on and have been so much happier. The same thing goes, I think, for our relations with the blue pill guys – – be polite, let them live their life but don’t let any of their comments affect you and how you look at yourself and the path you are on.
Thanks for accepting me as I am, for I surely accept each and every guy who is going his own way.

I’m glad to hear that you stopped asking your son why he didn’t get married. He’s your son and I certainly wouldn’t try to tell you how to treat him, but I’ve told my son, 22 years old, how I feel about marriage and I’ve warned him not to do it and it’s up to him now. He has to make his own choices and I won’t bother him with my opinions on the matter anymore.

I just don’t believe marriage, (and women), are what they used to be “back in the day”. These days nothing about marriage can benefit a man.

Because marriage isn’t seen as a partnership by today’s women. There’s no investment, no hard work, no TEAMWORK. They want instant gratification and expect their entirety of their marriage to be a giant honeymoon where nothing bad happens, no quirks are found, and everyone lives happily ever after. Most sensible people know this isn’t the case. Why should a woman put in the effort to make a marriage work when there’s “no fault divorce” and multiple weddings where they get to repeatedly have the show be “all about them”? Marriage is a raw deal not only because of what happens IN the marriage, but what happens AFTER the marriage for the vast majority of men.

Welcome to the forums Buck. I hope maybe the above paragraph will help you in some way to understand.

[BuckParticipant 22]

I think we need to be more open to focusing on people other than the bitches and the courts who screw men. Fck them and move on, even if it hurts. We hire a guy to mow our lawn and do clean ups and a bunch of other stuff since I don’t want to and I hate to see my wife doing it. Actually his wife, or maybe girlfriend shows up and does the mowing, using a walk behind at our insistence. He, meanwhile, is off at another full time job cutting down trees for the power company. She seems actually to be the stronger of the two, sort of keeping a business going but they work together in the big picture. Of course, I have no idea what their lives are like, but at least my lawn gets mowed twice a week and the beds cleaned up. Maybe to many guys here on MGTOW thoe seem like insignificant things, but I sure like to look out at the property and see it. Don’t you guys like to look at your home and know it is clean, nice and functioning well?

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Yes Buck, your “Introduction” puts you on thin ice on this web site.

You could try to redeem yourself by providing in the reply box below some general descriptions about your hobbies, fun activities, Education/ Training, work you did, and where you lived. You know, the things that free men do that separates us from women.
And where I’m from, that is how men introduce themselves. You are from that generation of men who should know what I’m talking about.

Most of us are just happy to be on the MGTOW Road with like-minded fellows.

Here is a link to help newcomers survive here and avoid any unpleasantness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaVX7wlBld8

It is admirable that you want to learn about your MGTOW son. You are more than welcome to keep reading and asking questions.

However, you are so far unwilling to objectively look at yourself, your other son, and the “good” wives which MGTOWs refer to as “Unicorns.”

You remind me of my Irish Grandfather who gave the following advice when trying to find me a wife:

“It is a fine horse that will pull its own weight.”

MGTOWs are awakened to “Women’s Nature” which is hard wired into EVERY woman for the survival of the species. And is something that the “Good Women” do a masterful job of hiding.

My other Irish Grandfather was more awake to “Women’s Nature” and he often would say the following about my Grandmother:

“Oh, there she goes again. Off spending MY money!”

Some MGTOWs like myself, have had to wake up the hard way. Alas, there are scars. Our lives with woman are often described as “Blue Pill Hell” and/ or “RelationS~~~s.”

Here is a link that attempts to discuss what it is like for a man to be free from women:

/forums/topic/free-from-the-influences-of-women/

A smaller percentage of Heterosexual Men are Natural Born MGTOWs. Your son sounds like one of them. Kindly share more about him and invite him to examine this web site. Those men are the real “Unicorns” who have magical lives and great Souls.

In the past fifty years, the Commie Feminists have removed all restrictions to hiding “Woman’s Nature.”

Here is a link that discusses the modern consequences that you seem to be aware of:

/forums/topic/todays-womyn-are-like-wild-boars-razerbacks/

Nevertheless, “Women’s Nature” is timeless.

Here is a link that discuss one facet of “Woman’s Nature:”

Women’s Requests are Unrelenting and Shameless

Another facet it is called woman’s “Narcissism.”
Here is an example:

/forums/topic/an-honest-love-letter/

Buck wrote:

………men, especially white ones, are constantly shown how dumb and inadequate they are,…….

The power of “Woman’s Nature” in its various forms is something that ALL men from around the world are faced with. The problems as a result of it are more universal than you realize.

Check out the following Introduction:

/forums/topic/snoonz-the-arab-mgtow/

It is my understanding that lifting the restrictions on “Women’s Nature” was directly related to the fall of our great civilizations throughout History.

Here is an image from South Asia that illustrates “Women’s Nature:”

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[HermitParticipant]

Buck wrote:

I think we need to be more open to focusing on people other than the bitches and the courts who screw men. Fck them and move on, even if it hurts. We hire a guy to mow our lawn and do clean ups and a bunch of other stuff since I don’t want to and I hate to see my wife doing it. Actually his wife, or maybe girlfriend shows up and does the mowing, using a walk behind at our insistence. He, meanwhile, is off at another full time job cutting down trees for the power company. She seems actually to be the stronger of the two, sort of keeping a business going but they work together in the big picture. Of course, I have no idea what their lives are like, but at least my lawn gets mowed twice a week and the beds cleaned up. Maybe to many guys here on MGTOW thoe seem like insignificant things, but I sure like to look out at the property and see it. Don’t you guys like to look at your home and know it is clean, nice and functioning well?

Buck, I’m not sure what this post is supposed to mean or where you’re going with it. What people should we be focusing on? Then you went from that to lawn care. Maybe you just decided to talk about your yard and your home.

Whatever the case, yes, I like to keep my home clean, but I don’t give a s~~~ about my yard. I kinda’ live out in the woods and the only reason I mow my yard is so I don’t step on a snake.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[BuckParticipant 22]

Manipulated Man: You’re right. My “into” wasn’t an actual introduction but I’ll try. I was raised in rural OH, parents both school teachers. After high school, where basically everyone was a clone of each other, I went to college and professional school. And before you see me as a silver spoon, there were weeks when the only food was peanut butter and saltines. Then the army; Korea and RVN; Company Commander (non combat) and returned to CONUS. Some years of more training then faculty at two universities but most of my time has been in the private sector.
Married at age 30 to wife who waited 6 years or so despite by telling her to fk off while in the army. When we married I told her everything I had was ours together. She worked until son #1 appeared and then her job was to run the house and finances while I did what I did. She made sure the kids were in bed and I had dinner with her and breakfast in the mornings. That, guys is a partnership. She saved everything possible and made my life today what it is. I’ve fkd up some but she deals with me and accepts me for the s~~~ I can be. I also accept her for her, what are pretty minor, flaws. So you probably know more about me than my sons do now.

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Many Thanks for establishing your Outstanding Bonafides.

I am willing to overlook a lot of foolishness for a man who has done the things that you have done.

Your amazing life inspires me to respectfully remind you about “Situational Awareness” and also remind you about the following Old Time advice:

“When you step in a big pile of S~~~, Don’t stir it around.”

“Don’t double down on stupid.”

Buck wrote:

…..That, guys is a partnership. She saved everything possible and made my life today what it is. I’ve fkd up some but she deals with me and accepts me for the s~~~ I can be. I also accept her for her, what are pretty minor, flaws….

Your masculine traits of being “Honest” and bravely stating your “Truth” are admirable. They represent the finest traditions of masculinity.

But with all due respect, typing those words here on this web site are wrong on so many levels.

It is like showing up to a “Trump” rally wearing “ANTIFA” gear.

Here is that link which attempts to help out Newcomers, you should study it to avoid stepping in any more land mines. The first attempt in my reply above was an error and I was not allowed to edit:

/forums/topic/list-of-unacceptable-blue-pill-baggage/

Most Heterosexual men are “Hardwired” to want what you have. I know I am.
This “Hardwiring” is one of the reasons for my MGTOW name.
What we want can be seen in every “Hallmark” Romance film.
And that need is shamelessly exploited.

Kindly hold back the words about your great marriage until you have a better understanding of MGTOW.

Buck wrote:

…..faculty at two universities but most of my time has been in the private sector….

Your Field reports about the changes you have seen there are prized here.

Me and my PhD pals have been getting our b~~~~ kicked by the Commie Feminists who have taken over our Institutions, Leadership, Government, and White Collar world.

McCarthy tried to warn us years ago about what some of them were up to. Alas, he was only scratching the surface and hear underestimated what he was dealing with. Sadly, they got to him and made him out to be an anti-hero.

Your training and experience is a valuable asset here and I could use your help.

Here is a link that attempts to discuss Old Time Wisdom and Masculine values, your feedback there is appreciated:

/forums/topic/advice-from-an-old-farmer/

Here is another one for your consideration and feedback in that Post:

/forums/topic/fatherly-advice-to-his-son-about-the-red-pill-documentary/

Here is link I posted about some of the villains I have been dealing with after my latest career attack, kindly consider writing a reply in that post about what you have observed:

/forums/topic/gays-are-untrustworthy-and-treacherous/

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[AttonParticipant]

You sure did luck out buck.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[BlakeGuyParticipant 287]

She saved everything possible and made my life today what it is. I’ve fkd up some but she deals with me and accepts me for the s~~~ I can be.

Think this sums it up. Women generally don’t this. They spend crazy and deny it and try to tell you that your flaws are fatal.

Let the good times roll

[Remove me!Participant]

I have a story, a very true story.

A few years back, I had known a Baptist preacher and his wife for about 15 years. They had been married for 51 years, with children and grandchildren when she told him she was divorcing him.

She was a sweetheart and he was, and still is a great Christian man. But he had to step down from his congregation and fought her in court for all the finances for about 2 years. He escaped with the house and some money, but she made it to where he can never preach again because he’s divorced.

She is now sacked up with another man, and all her kids and grandkids have shunned her. But she truly was his “unicorn” for 51 YEARS!

This is an absolute true story, and I guess the one that made me fully red pilled. It happened about a year after my divorce. So good luck with your unicorn.

I understand the woman I married was a very bad choice, but for 5 years since I’ve been divorced I’ve just been on the sidelines watching unicorns destroy men after 2 years marriage, 26 years of marraige, and 51 years of marriage.

Like a bird on the wire, like a drunk midnight choir, I have tried in my way to be free.

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

Cthulhu wrote:

We don’t live in the 1950s anymore.

I did live my youth in the 1950s and the marriages were not much better then, although the women were more aware and responsible about their roles. Nevertheless, men then were still essentially slaves to the institution and the never-ending debt that it included.

Happiness does not come from another person, so if you think you will find it in a wife, you are mistaken. You can have a wife, or have a life, but you can’t have both.

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