Gays are UNTRUSTWORTHY AND TREACHEROUS.

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Men can only learn how to be men from other men.

Masculinity in the Western world is under attack.

A Western man’s word use to be his bond.

A hand shake from a Western man use to be like a legal contract.

You use to be able to trust a man from the Western World to watch your back.

Now Pusillanimous behavior is running rampant in the Western World.

The real issues historically against gays revolved around the fact that they were found to be untrustworthy and treacherous.

For much of my life, I have tried to keep an open mind and resisted this Old Time Wisdom and the warnings about gays.

Sadly, it has taken a life time of experience to learn that what was true for our ancestors is also true today:

Gays are UNTRUSTWORTHY AND TREACHEROUS.

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[thisistheguy123Participant 2063]

My brother is gay, and I’ve spent a lot of time partying with him and his fellow gays.

I’ve never had much problem with them as individuals.

However, I do see the attack on masculinity…Hell, even my brother has said the words “Toxic Masculinity”
…lucky for me he’s a smart guy and we can have calm conversations showing both our sides (for the most part, sometimes he freaks out like a libtard).

He was willing to admit there is toxic femininity.

However, he would never admit that the pussification of men is a bad thing, he sees it as a good thing – and I greatly disagree.

The western world is being made to be little bitches who cry and moan for one reason; easier to take over.

[MACHOParticipant]

The Manipulated Man wrote:

Masculinity in the Western world is under attack.
A Western man’s word use to be his bond.
A hand shake from a Western man use to be like a legal contract.

Yes! the feminists have destroyed this amazing virtue that real men of the past had!

You must own a better Crystal ball than I

[joetechParticipant]

I’ve known plenty of straight men that are treacherous…Bernie Madoff comes to mind.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[narwhalParticipant]

The Manipulated Man wrote:

The real issues historically against gays revolved around the fact that they were found to be untrustworthy and treacherous.

Do you have anything to back up that claim? I have not experienced any such characteristics from being around gay men myself nor seen any statistics supporting such a claim.

Ok. Then do it.

[MagusParticipant 424]

I think the don’t trust gays is because they will do anything to get close to you. Like women. I suppose if they would come out of the closet and be honest then they would lose their image of being dishonest and not trust worthy. Furthermore they kind of ruin things for straight people. After a few encounters with gay people and straight guys don’t want to be around other guys cause they think those guys might be closet gays they can’t count on. So gays are in this gray area of not being liked at all and ruining life for straight people. All because gay people don’t have the guts to be honest.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

I don’t know about untrustworthy or treacherous EXCEPT in the context of those who espouse left-wing politics. But then that is not a function of “gayness” it is a function of left- wing politics.

I do however believe that they are being dishonest when they take the position that homosexual sex is somehow “normal”. They know its a perversion and pretend it is not. And in a way Magus is right in that gay men anyway have a tendency to adopt both the mannerisms and attitudes of women. And we know that women are consummate liars, frauds and destroyers.

[53ClicksUpParticipant 1345]

I concur with the “manipulated man’s assessment. My personal experience has shown me that given the opportunity to wield any power at all in the office environment, gays will behave like total asses. In one instance, over my voiced concerns to upper management they elected to put a gay man in charge of a mid-size program at my old company. They thought that they were being really progressive by doing this.

On the very first day the f~~~~~ individually called every one of his new charges into his office and threatened to fire them if they didn’t live up to his new and completely arbitrary performance expectations. In his view, those people’s primary function was only to make him look good at his new job.

He was despicable and horrific as a team lead. He routinely took credit for other people’s work, intimidated those working under him, talked “down” to subordinates and had everyone absolutely demoralized within the first week. The project immediately deteriorated into a quagmire and 3 employees (male and female) took the risk and complained to upper management.

Within two months the result was that his role was drastically scaled back, but those 3 employees all left the company as a result of the way he had conducted himself and they were all good workers. A short time thereafter he was terminated and last I heard, is now acting lead of a “team-of-one” i.e. himself, at another firm. His inability to work with fellow employees was quickly recognized by his new employer.

Just as an aside, I never talk down to anyone whether they report to me or not. Without fail this kind of attitude will destroy any hope of team work and cooperation within an organization. Whether I’m addressing a Navy Admiral, a GS-13 intelligence officer in the government, a receptionist at the front desk, a guy scraping paint on the deck of ship, a shipyard welder, or simply the janitor cleaning the men’s room, I treat everyone with the same level of respect.

This approach has served me well over my career. The result is that folks who do not even report to me or have any formal obligation, will often go “the extra mile” to help me out. They do this knowing they can trust me and that I will always do the same for them.

The only distinction I make is regarding those people who I have determined to be untrustworthy. I simply limit my contact/interaction with them. I keep it strictly professional and never share personal information about myself or allow myself to get informal with them.

[narwhalParticipant]

PistolPete wrote:

I don’t know about untrustworthy or treacherous EXCEPT in the context of those who espouse left-wing politics. But then that is not a function of “gayness” it is a function of left- wing politics.

Agreed.

PistolPete wrote:

I do however believe that they are being dishonest when they take the position that homosexual sex is somehow “normal”. They know its a perversion and pretend it is not.

I get what you’re saying, but ‘normal’ and ‘perversion’ sounds like highly subjective to me. I have no doubt that many people would say that MGTOW is a perversion. I honestly think it’s irrelevant though as normal behavior is not equivalent to moral or healthy behavior anyway.

I think it’s also worth noting that much of what was considered perversion in the past is considered normal today. For example, sex outside of marriage is normal today, while it was a perversion at other times in history.

PistolPete wrote:

And in a way Magus is right in that gay men anyway have a tendency to adopt both the mannerisms and attitudes of women. And we know that women are consummate liars, frauds and destroyers.

I haven’t really seen that from gay people. I get that they develop a habit of hiding and lying for fear of judgment, but it seems that a gay man rarely tries to acquire utility from you the way a woman would.

Honestly, depending on the situation, I would trust a gay man over a blue pill man. A gay man would never betray you in order to gain the favor of a woman, while a blue man won’t hesitate to do so.

However, Manipulated Man stated that historically, there were issues with gay men because of untrustworthiness, implying that their sexual behavior wasn’t the issue. I’ve never heard anyone make that claim before, and everything I have heard had to do with their sexual behavior. Certainly, that was the case from a religious stand point.

Ok. Then do it.

[narwhalParticipant]

53ClicksUp wrote:

I concur with the “manipulated man’s assessment. My personal experience has shown me that given the opportunity to wield any power at all in the office environment, gays will behave like total asses. In one instance, over my voiced concerns to upper management they elected to put a gay man in charge of a mid-size program at my old company. They thought that they were being really progressive by doing this.

Did the man behave that way because he was gay, or was that just his specific personality? I’ve had managers like that as well. One of them was a woman and the other was a straight man. I don’t think one man’s behavior can then be extrapolated to the behavior of all men who share his sexual orientation, particular when other men/women of different sexual orientations share the same characteristics.

Ok. Then do it.

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

There are volumes of writing and hours of talks here on MGTOW about the dangerous behavior of Women and their C~~~y Blue Pill slaves, but gay men are given a pass and even provided warm hearted welcomes on this web site.

This topic was posted here in the Work section of the Forums because I wanted to shed some light on the Gays participation in creating hell at Work. Their role in the devastation of the good progress that men create is way out of proportion to be dismissed as individual human failings.

And I am certain that there are many other genuinely masculine men who were lied to and stabbed in the back by Gays at work.

It is now fashionable to promote these gays into management and prop them up as department heads. It is especially bad in Academia and Scientific Institutions.

One a side note, has anyone noticed how well the Whores and Gays cooperate?

And can anyone here at MGTOW share what they observed when the Whore/ Gay alliances at work sets their sights on anyone who demonstrates Old World Civilized behavior?

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[SolidParticipant 7520]

I don’t think that it’s a gay thing, I have some gay friends who are people that honor they word. But as you can guess, they are all right wing !
I agree that it’s a leftist thing, even manginas or SJW “men” are untrustworthy ! I won’t even consider a thing that a leftist say for example

Leftist: can you send me your presentation ? I just want to give a look before you present it, I won’t send it to anyone, I promise !

And that guy took my presentation, show to everyone as it was HIS work, presented it to my friend, who is the owner of a company that is my client, as it was his work, and tried to use it to justify firing me.

For what ? Well, I was hired to organize some things and teach those people how real men work, so he, a mangina bluepill that act like a puppy in front of his wife, tried to use my work, saying that was his work to justify firing me as “he didn’t do nothing, I did all the work”.

I was lucky that the company’s owner was my friend, and he recognized my presentation template. Or else, I would loss a customer because of a mangina.

I’ve some problems trusting people, and I worked with that guy helping him everyday for about 6 months, I can say that he was a nice person, a little bit too bootlicker, always paying coffees and lunch for me and the manager.

But after that I can say that honor is a dead thing, don’t expect people to honor they word or don’t stab your back ! But by far, those leftists are the most treacherous kind of people.

[DengeParticipant 28]

Being gay I know there are left wing progressives among gay men, but not all of us are. I’ve seen gay guys talk about smashing the patriarchy and believe me those guys make me cringe too. However, not all of us are.

As far as gender issues are concerned it isn’t gays who are typically white knights, pussybeggars, manginas or even part of upholding the gynocentric society. Me, I think as poorly of gay guys talking about toxic masculinity as of white knighting straight guys or mangina daddies. Me, I’m just tired of seeing men being treated as crap.

Believe or not, despite manginary, white knighting and not liking gays in some instances, I have extra respect for straight guys being caught between a rock and a hard place since their sexual drive is being capitalized on by the gynocentric society in order to get away with treating men poorly. They simply count on you guys keep begging for pussy and going MGTOW must be thousand times harder for you guys, than for someone who is gay as me. I want you to know there are gay guys completely against feminism and on your side.

As for the normalcy/perversion thing. Let me make a finer distinction. I of course acknowledge being gay is biologically counterproductive, to say the least. Yet it is inevitable from pushing biological systems to their limits; some will fall off the wagon. So mishap? Yeah, sure. Or unnatural? Ok, fine. But perversion? F~~~ that.

[Anonymous 54]

Untrust worthy, treacherous.

That has not been my experience.

[53ClicksUpParticipant 1345]

I am going to modify my earlier posting and say that my experience was limited to that one occasion that I encountered in the workplace. It was however such a bad experience that it left a really long lasting poor impression on me. I therefore request that everyone draw their own conclusions based on their own personal experiences and not use my one data point to rationalize the poor treatment of anyone, gay or not.

I was a little quick on the trigger with that posting and it shouldn’t be taken as gospel. But God, how I hated that person. Not because he was gay, but because of the way he treated others so poorly, while at the same time seeing himself as someone special and superior to everyone around him.

The last thing that I would ever want to do is be the one to sow the seeds of rancor within this website which has become a source of both spiritual guidance and support for me. My humblest apologies if I offended narwal, solid, denge, old sage or anyone else reading my post. I also don’t view myself as a pussy for offering and apology either, when I decide for myself that it’s warranted.

[Tired Old ManParticipant 19]

Gays are just fine as long as they leave me the hell alone. I have no interest in having their agenda shoved down my throat, or the throats of my kids like everyone is trying to do today. That p~~~es me off. Just leave me alone and I will leave you alone. That will do just fine for getting along if you ask me.

[ChangedParticipant 588]

I had an epiphany reading all the replies.
I think the leftists want to remove any single place where men can be together and unite. Thats why they seek ‘diversity’ in every jobs.

Yes gays have a lot in common with women and for that reason men have been warned. Those who dont believe it will risk their skin.

Also gays marshe to get rights from the government, gays are for the status quo of the government. MGTOW is not only a walk away from women, its a walk away from the empire, let the empire fall.

Matriarchy taxes us. Patriarchy taxes us. No Fucks Given! If they give us pains, lets give them pains. Daily.

[SolidParticipant 7520]

Changed wrote:

I had an epiphany reading all the replies.
I think the leftists want to remove any single place where men can be together and unite. Thats why they seek ‘diversity’ in every jobs.

I want to see diversity on charcoal mines ! That the kind of diversity that would make a difference ! Complain about not have a opportunity to be the CEO of a big company and call unfair that someone without qualifications, experience, or even commitment to work, didn’t get the job, is just play the victim !

Diversity won’t happen until those privileged piece of s~~~ start to understand what that word means, and realize of course, how privileged they are and how many privileges they will have to give up to the world become more “equal”.

Men is the base of society, we are the main source of income and production. A week without men, will be like a week in apocalipse, women and SJW don’t think that because of the obvious, men are invisible to them, they ignore everything that is not a bulls~~~ fight against an imaginary enemy, the patriarchy !

Once those people start to realize how much is done, that society don’t depend on yoga classes to exist, that their cars aren’t made only by female designers, someone have to built them, so a “men’s strike” will be like a death threat !

[KevinStylesParticipant 2580]

I watched a Netflix movie on the weekend called something like ‘What it is to be a man’. The host was raised by women, had almost no male influences in his life besides a grandfather he saw rarely and what he saw on TV/Movies.

And although it was a somewhat humorous journey for him to try out traditionally portrayed male activities, i got to thinking. This is the world we live in, women are raising our sons. Whether this leads to more men that identify more as a woman and they choose the gay lifestyle because of it, I dunno. But i do know that having no male influence in a young mans life is the wrong thing for society. Each generation is getting less and less masculine I think.

Although one guy brought up an interesting point of view. What it means to be a man is you have a dick. The rest is how you choose to live your life.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I worked with gays, have seen their “tactics” and have seen the ugly side of their snide , catty behavior. They share a similar trait of laughing at someone’s pain — which I just can’t understand – but that’s about the extent of my problem with them.

The flip side is they are f~~~ing FUNNY.
I have laughed pretty hard – but not when they are “funny” at someone else’s expense.

I knew ONE in particular who used to enjoy social manipulation and outright cruelty, especially to non-homosexual men. He even acted the “c~~~blocker” and made up LIES about other guys. A sort of jealous bully.

He would say something like “I bet the right man could reform you”.
To which I would reply “You know, I bet the right WO-man could reform you, too”.

He got his jollies out of being abrasive.
There were more than a few like that.

The payback came years later when I saw him again at a “reunion”-type event. I remembered how he was 15 years prior and have to say, he calmed down and was unusually nice to me. I said “oh , you don’t need to pretend to be a nice person. I liked you better when you were just being yourself.”

On generalizations…. there are “groups” and there are individuals within those groups.
Sometimes there are common traits.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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