Can't be bothered anymore

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

@rockmaninoff: I understand you, perfectly.
Since the separation I never really chased a woman again, even when I had the last relationship it beginned with her giving me very huge signals and me automatically answering due my old “PUA-like instincts”, but those things rarely happen.
For me it’s that I just don’t see the point in chasing women – why men chase women? let’s see, those were my motivations, in order of importance:

1) Feeling worthy when they reacted positively and especially when I maked them orgasm.
I don’t need that anymore, I know my worth.

2) Physical pleasure through sex.
Ridiculous: using a fleshlight it’s actually more pleasurable than feeling a vagina through a condom.
I miss blowjobs because the blowjob machine is less pleasurable than real blowjobs, but it’s still better having fake blowjobs every time you want rather than begging for 3-4 blowjobs per month (before the marriage) / per year (after the marriage) – not mentioning that good blowjobs without condom can be obtained almost just only within long standing relationships.
I even miss giving them pleasure through oral sex, but that would require a long standing relationship, too…

3) Company, relationship, marriage: f~~~ off, I’m uninterested about such things. When I need company I have some good friends and I have even my children, both are actually more interesting than the average woman. I do not even talk about relations~~~s and even worse…

So, what’s left?

SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

sidecar wrote:

Rockmaninoff wrote:

Don’t wait, since the time will pass anyway. Enjoy your young body and vigor. It’s not forever!

I’m not saying wait idly. I’m just saying that from 18 to 30 it’s only going to get better. Men hit their prime at the point when women are well past theirs.

This is no coincidence.

But it is amusing.

I’m probably at the height of my chances with women right now: I’ll be 43 yo within few days, but I look at least 10 years younger – quite recently a woman said, as an exaggerated stupid compliment, that I seem 18.
I lift 6-7 hours per week.
I live alone, my apartment is better than the average, I have a quite good job and another house granting me a rent, a boat, two cars (Jaguar X-Type and a red vintage Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR4, known as GTO in USA).

I still don’t give a flying f~~~ anymore.

SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Eric Lauder wrote:

I’m probably at the height of my chances with women right now: I’ll be 43 yo within few days,

Honestly, I think you’ll find it only goes up. You see for every year you age, the women around you also age a year. But a year has a much greater impact on a woman than a man. Your attractiveness might be going down, but theirs is plummeting. And it causes them to get desperate.

So I think you’ll find that your chances actually go up, while your willingness to accept any of those chances goes way, way down. Which only makes women more desperate.

But that is not your problem.

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

sidecar wrote:

So I think you’ll find that your chances actually go up

Great, so I will find a woman: when I’m 30+, and they find their options limiting and have to settle for someone like me. Comforting thought.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

sidecar wrote:

Eric Lauder wrote:

I’m probably at the height of my chances with women right now: I’ll be 43 yo within few days,

Honestly, I think you’ll find it only goes up. You see for every year you age, the women around you also age a year. But a year has a much greater impact on a woman than a man. Your attractiveness might be going down, but theirs is plummeting. And it causes them to get desperate.

So I think you’ll find that your chances actually go up, while your willingness to accept any of those chances goes way, way down. Which only makes women more desperate.

But that is not your problem.

As long as they don’t make “neglect rape” a thing, it can be very funny.
Once, for a short period, I had a fetish for rejecting women: after making them sexually excited, I did say I changed my mind. A lot of self-control is needed, but the results are wonderful! 😀
I still practice it, in a very watered-down way: when they smile to me, sometimes I begin flirting, then after a bit I cut it without an apparent reason and I say “goodbye”.
It’s quite funny, especially their expression when I cut it, I still do it when I have time, sometimes.
Probably it’s a relic of the times when I was chasing women for feeling worthy, and then at a point I was like in a sexual bulimia (but without the final purging…): the difference is that right now, since I know the rules of the game and how it’ll end if I do all the steps, I just don’t need to spend so much time in playing it, so when I get the confirmation through the flirting, I don’t need more than that.

If women will get more and more disperate, probably I’ll do it more: I don’t care how they look, I enjoy their reaction when I cut it 😀

SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Rockmaninoff wrote:

Great, so I will find a woman: when I’m 30+, and they find their options limiting and have to settle for someone like me. Comforting thought.

Ah, but here’s the thing about that: Your attractiveness to women really has very little to do with you, yourself. Women want what they think other women have or what they think other women want. It’s true. Put on a wedding ring and see how women treat you differently. And this instinctive behavior of theirs is independent of age.

As you get older, more and more limited-option post-wall women will be overtly vying for your attention, for reasons we all know all about here. You aren’t too thrilled about that prospect, and rightly so, but it will happen. What you might not realize is younger, pre-wall women will notice these older women competing for you, and this will cause them to also see you as highly attractive. So they will also jump into the competition for you. Not because any of them specifically want you. men are laregly interchangeable in the eyes of women. They really just want to win. Why do you think post-wall women HATE pre-wallers so damn much? They are all in competition and you are the prize.

The practical upshot of this is that if you keep your act together in your 20s and don’t f~~~ up by getting married etc. you’ll find yourself surrounded by annoying, clingy post wallers in your 30s while being free to take your pick of their younger friends, co-workers, and (more times than I can remember right now) daughters.

Eric Lauder wrote:

Once, for a short period, I had a fetish for rejecting women: after making them sexually excited, I did say I changed my mind. A lot of self-control is needed, but the results are wonderful!

Oh yeah. Been there. Done that. Often f~~~ing with women is far more entertaining than merely f~~~ing them.

Have you ever tried stringing them along before overtly making any move on them? Most people have heard of the “three date rule”, but most women decide if they want to f~~~ you within the first three seconds. So string them on for four dates, five dates, six dates, or more, flirting wildly the whole time, while leaving them with nothing more than a handshake. It completely f~~~s with their heads.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

sidecar wrote:

Have you ever tried stringing them along before overtly making any move on them? Most people have heard of the “three date rule”, but most women decide if they want to f~~~ you within the first three seconds. So string them on for four dates, five dates, six dates, or more, flirting wildly the whole time, while leaving them with nothing more than a handshake. It completely f~~~s with their heads.

My rule was “First contact or first date”, it means that within an hour:
I got the phone number
Then I tried to have sex with them
Most gave the phone number, but not the pussy. Among such group I called a lot of them, but I don’t called a lot of them. I have not idea, not even an hint about where was the majority: called or never called.
Among the other group, the littler group composed by those who gave me both the phone number and the pussy: I called, for sure, the overwhelmingly majority of them.

Among the CALLED girls/women who at the first approach gave me the phone number but not the pussy:
It was just only a single date, I never had a second date with a woman I met in a disco or a club who didn’t gave me the pussy on the first date.
Such group even include my ex wife.

The only exceptions to such rule are the relationships beginning in high school, and university, those were more complex, lasting 3-6 months.
I took the virginity of 5. Most waiting time: a little less than three months, less waiting time: less than a month.
Then there’s the 6th virgin, but it’s a very different thing.

I did the thing of wildly exciting them but then saying I did change my mind in 1999-2000, with three women. It was mainly a reaction to the fact I have been victim of DV by a woman in 1998 and didn’t get justice. And it was, still, at the first date.

I don’t have so much patience to wait 4, 5 dates. It isn’t my thing.

SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.

[hansmolemanParticipant 194]

OP,

You want to believe in NAWALT and fall on your own sword, be my guest.

I just downgraded by NVidia driver hopefully FO:NV stops crashing now. Bye.

[ComputernerdParticipant 465]

Anonymous wrote:

But I would never expect younger guys to swear them off.A young Man wants to expierience life,get burned a little,earn a few scars even. I allways just advise that you look at it like a stunt. Its dangerous. Risk vs benifite. Maxamize beinifite.minamize risk.But hell ,live life!

I’m in my 20s and I’ve had very little experience with women. I’ve got rejected quite a few times and even rejected a few women myself. My experience never went beyond asking women out. Which I’m thankful for.

I’ve sworn off women entirely. But I’m more of an odd case, because I’ve sworn off any new friendships as well. I’ve come to hate being around people in real life. Social interaction just doesn’t appeal to me.

Women can f~~~ off for all I care. All I need is a fleshlight and some lube then I’m good.

I’ll be happy living a life of as much solitude I can get, with as little drama in my life as possible.

I’m not against other men dating I just see it as a waste of time.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Eric Lauder wrote:

I don’t have so much patience to wait 4, 5 dates. It isn’t my thing.

It’s not a matter of patience. It’s a matter of simply not giving a f~~~.

I can see how it might be difficult if you really want to f~~~ her, but it’s almost automatic if you’re indifferent.

[Chaff/FlareParticipant 3235]

Computernerd wrote:

Old Sage wrote:

But I would never expect younger guys to swear them off.A young Man wants to expierience life,get burned a little,earn a few scars even. I allways just advise that you look at it like a stunt. Its dangerous. Risk vs benifite. Maxamize beinifite.minamize risk.But hell ,live life!

I’m in my 20s and I’ve had very little experience with women. I’ve got rejected quite a few times and even rejected a few women myself. My experience never went beyond asking women out. Which I’m thankful for.

I’ve sworn off women entirely. But I’m more of an odd case, because I’ve sworn off any new friendships as well. I’ve come to hate being around people in real life. Social interaction just doesn’t appeal to me.

Women can f~~~ off for all I care. All I need is a fleshlight and some lube then I’m good.

I’ll be happy living a life of as much solitude I can get, with as little drama in my life as possible.

I’m not against other men dating I just see it as a waste of time.

Watch that you don’t get bitter. Take the runway, and go flying! Don’t forget, out of burner chaff/ flare.

When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.

[Anonymous 2]

I could not live together in a long term relationship with a woman any more. I need my own personal space and peace. I make every decision about my life as it is a best for me without ever have to consider the other person ( a woman) needs and attitude about it. Sometimes I do interact with a woman but a kind of like 007 style, both of as do know that it is just having a good weekend together at the Gold or a Sunshine Coast but after both of as going on our way. I just cannot able to even imagine that I got somebody permanently in my home and I always have consider her too whatever I am planning to do. My ideal woman is independent ,who got her own home ,we do interact with each-other regularly ( including sex) but we will not move or having children together. Also we are will not involve in any financial situation together. Basically an attractive independent female friend to look after each-other (including sex) with out taking each-other personal freedom and financial independence away. I know it will never going to happen,but because I do know what I want, certainly I do know what I don’t want. To be single is make me a very happy free man! Because so many personal and observed bad experiences, I will never ever going to give it away!! ( sorry for my English but it is my 4th.language )

[DwightDavidParticipant 859]

I am still new to this site, but I am glad to see I am not alone.
Starting in high school, I believed the narrative that if you didn’t have a girlfriend, you were some kind of loser. So I would try and try, only to be almost constantly rejected. I only went on two dates in all four years of high school. The first girl didn’t want anything to do with me after the first date. I grew tired of the other. Too opinionated for h.s. It was like dating a 40 year old. I realized it wasn’t worth the time or aggravation it caused me.
But I kept repeating the pattern into my 20s. Get lonely, feel like a loser,look, get rejected, find someone, date, get tired and realize I didn’t really want this. It wasn’t until I was 26, in 1997, that I made a conscious decision not to date, or even look, flirt or hook up. I feel blessed that I never had to go through what some of you went through. Not gloating, just grateful. I would certainly have a record if some woman did to me what was done to some of you.
This started by me just not wanting to be bothered, now it has turned into self protection.

[Anonymous 3]

I’ve accepted my place in the dating pool as I have certain psychological disorders that tank my SMV. But after hearing so much information and consistency by different men, I take it more of as a positive thing than a setback.

I tried to better myself to appeal to women, but each time I got better, I got knocked down harder. I see happy couples every now and then, and I see healthy relationships, but now they’re becoming the exception rather than the rule. If the possibility of getting wrecked is increasing this is not something I should do.

Accepting this is fine for me, as I have all the time in the world to train, read, learn skills, and develop myself. If what you guys say is true about men aging like wine, I have no sympathy for women who bitch and moan on Facebook that they can’t find “good” men.

What I hate more though is the white knights and magninas that enable these women to inflate their ego and shame other men who may not have built a resistant personality to reject bulls~~~. Most of my attitude is a result of failed promises, failed expectations, failures, or experiencing something very different then what people advise me about, almost to an exact opposite.

I respect men who choose to be in relationships, but that’s now an abnormality and depending on how old they are, things have changed too much to give good advice to me.

[KimmurielParticipant 480]

Tomboys are my favorite. They have enough testosterone to be humane, but add in a nice body and they are tolerable. However, I dont like anyone nearly as much and as often as I do myself….unless we’re f~~~ing.

But no marriage and no moving in. We can only be FWB.

"You meet a few exceedingly forsaken, Sit around the cooler refusing domestication" Aesop Rock

[Jim01Participant 6678]

Anonymous wrote:

It is odd. How I get that little voice in my head too except it says: (not in a negative way) i see a cute girl ” man I would love to ask her out to watch a sunset or something ” than slowly after “Wait what the f~~~, why? I don’t give two s~~~s about that”. I guess I agree with the general message from your post. It really made me think. I feel sometimes am stuck in a battle between my true nature (my gut instinct survival and envole mechanism) and my body (the need for sex and human contact). One has been clearly more important to me than the other. But that said I am still learning and I felt I learned something very important on what you said.

I find if I am starting to feel that way then I have a wank and those feelings go away. It is a sex thing and nothing more

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