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Ok Interesting topic I took a strict view where it came to my freedom..I really wanted nothing to have any control over me…Nothing…Damn coffee rules me every morning… Marriage did not stop me from having a mgtow frame of mind, and begin working towards being free, but even after my divorce I felt bound in chains of child support…I say no you must be single to go your own way…I added a good bit more about my divorce in a reply at the bottom of my intro that explains why I believe the mindset started at the birth of my daughter 1995… It was a reply to another topic that rambled and I felt was part of my story.. Racism is another form of bondage. Bondage of the mind..Your not free if the mind has hatred that is unfounded..I agree its unbecoming of mgtow… closed minded bigotry in any form rubs me the wrong way…
There’s a big difference between basing your dislike of a group of people merely on something as idiotic as skin color, nation of origin, etc., and having had personal encounters with them that were not positive or constructive by any means. There are plenty of white kids that have gone to schools where the majority of students are black, latin, etc., have been beaten up regularly and grow up to have a strong dislike or outright hatred of those people. Then you have the reverse experiences of black kids being harassed or beaten up in school by white kids. I would not blame them for having a strong dislike of whites based on these experiences. Nor would I call them a racist simply based on this.
I agree that negative personal encounters with other races is not something That I would blame anyone for, having hatred, but would that not be a founded in experience type of hatred? Unfounded in personal experience hatred is taught by many if not most races to some extent…teaching hatred is much worse in my opinion..Even those with good reason to hate (like bad experiences) will have to get over it or let hatred rule their mind forever. I look at hatred as a vice like an addiction. I know everyone don’t look at it that way..maybe they should..How much of your mind would you want to give up to make room for your next fix? “personally I have no space for it.”
The problem is that a lot of the bleeding hearts want to classify hatred as a mental illness and not a legitimate emotion to have. To them this includes even a dislike that never manifests in any type of personal issue or confrontation. It’s like how feminists want to define rape. Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
I’m not talking about being completely focused on it. Holding on to hatred can be exhausting and consuming, but that’s the problem the individual has to deal with. Hatred takes too much energy to spend time on.
As far as classifying hatred as a vice, in a sweeping generalization, I would have to disagree. It’s an emotion like any other.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.The question of racism is rather interesting. I think it’s possible to be Racist and MGTOW, but not possible to be Racist and Childfree. How can you be racist (believing your race superior to all others and putting the welfare of the race before yourself) while not propagating the race?
To be clear: I’m not racist. Like Stephen Colbert I don’t see color. People tell me that I’m white and I believe them because police officers call me, “Sir.”
The question of racism is rather interesting. I think it’s possible to be Racist and MGTOW, but not possible to be Racist and Childfree. How can you be racist (believing your race superior to all others and putting the welfare of the race before yourself) while not propagating the race? To be clear: I’m not racist. Like Stephen Colbert I don’t see color. People tell me that I’m white and I believe them because police officers call me, “Sir.”
To me racism means putting the welfare of your race above all others, no matter what it involves. Of course this can lead to all sorts of extremes. The racial superiority thing is a joke because only natures decides who is superior. It’s no different than any animal species in the wild. Some thrive, others go extinct. The extinct species are inferior.
It’s a bit of a misnomer that the majority of racists are focused merely on skin color.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.Fine discussion, gentlemen. I do agree that it would be impossible to be married and be a true MGTOW. So I got to thinking. If married men can’t play with us in the sandbox, who else should be tossed out?
If a man is employed by a woman, and the women tells the man what, when, and how to do something, how is he going his own way?
If a religious man follows his god, how is he going his own way?
If a man signs up for the military, he does what Obummer tells his to do (I mean what michelle tells him to do). Should we allow a man to carry the esteemed MGTOW badge when he is being told where and when to s~~~?
This is a great discussion on the very foundation of MGTOW. I personally think all men should be welcomed if they’ve taken the red pill and dedicate themselves to the path of consciousness, which is the essence of MGTOW, regardless of the condition they find themselves in when they wake-up. Maybe a MGTOW Level 1, 2, 3, etc., as many have eluded to already.
In the end, it would be terrible to see MGTOW dissected into denominations like the Christian church, whereby they can’t agree that if the Virgin Mary got f~~~ed in the ass before the “immaculate conception,” if she would still be considered a virgin. I say give the gal a break. Virgin enough!
Dakota
Fine discussion, gentlemen. I do agree that it would be impossible to be married and be a true MGTOW. So I got to thinking. If married men can’t play with us in the sandbox, who else should be tossed out?
Married men are welcome in this forum No man should be ejected. We just had this come up about religion..
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I hope your open minded about discussing such topics..
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
Chaos we more agree than not..
As far as classifying hatred as a vice, in a sweeping generalization, I would have to disagree. It’s an emotion like any other.
I don’t classify hatred for everyone in general.. Just showing a way I perceive it that is helpful to me…Hatred is an emotion like you say, it manifest itself as anger…Both are more easy for me to control if I look at them as something capable of controlling me….If I understand and appreciate the capabilities of my emotions, I am more fully able to control them…..
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
Anonymous42You can’t even type the word “negro” on Yahoo because that’s considered “racist” and it looks like this: *****
Negro in Spanish means “black”, blanco is white; Asshole brown is Yahoo’s color! (******* *****:)
I think words can be associated with racism but it is context and intent that really make the final decision on that.
As far as racism and sexism or any kind of prejudice is concerned i think we all are to some extent as to be free of them would require the perfect understanding of every other person on the planet and how their lives had been. As that is clearly impossible what we have instead are our best efforts and we have to accept that we can f~~~ it up occasionally as can others.
And it is here that part of the problem lies.
Many feminists and women in the west are utterly convinced of their victim status even though they are the most coddled beings to have ever existed on earth, and they are also convinced that the ends justify the means.
The greedy can be sated so will leave you in peace eventually but the true believer who acts not out of greed or malice but out of a belief in the righteousness of their cause in their entitlement to the fruits of your labour there will be no rest or peace or gratitude.
As long as you “own” it. However, a man cannot “own” his marriage in today’s legal atmosphere.
I agree more with Keymaster on this one. The fact is the rejection of marriage is the defining principle of MGTOW, that is the prime thing that makes us.
I do understand Dakota’s point, I am not without nuance in this discussion. I do believe that married men can have the values and understanding of MGTOW and may be one of the lucky few with a good wife or just know that they can not get out of that marriage without major disaster in their life but at the end of the day a true MGTOW is not married.
The difference between being racist and being married mgtow is that a racist person can become a non-racist person simply by making the decision to change his mind. A married man will face enormous consequences for changing his. I can easily find examples of white, black, latino or asian people who don’t fit any of the negative stereotypes of white, black, latino, or asian people. So it is relatively easy to prove that NA-white, black, latino, asians-ALT. Finding examples of a woman to prove that NAWALT… is not so easily done.
As I’ve posted elsewhere, I don’t think it’s possible for a man to be married and simultaneously be going his own way because a married man really doesn’t have anything left that is his own anymore. His assets, property, freedom, children, legal right to due process and presumption of innocence… are no longer ‘his’ after signing that contract. He may have and enjoy the use of those things, but since they only exist in a way that is accessible to him at the whim of another person, and can be taken from him by that other party of the contract, then he does not really own them anymore.
As yet, I have not seen a court take from a man the organs within his own skin and transplant them to a wife who may have needed them, but that’s about the only thing I can think of that I have not seen taken from some man somewhere in a divorce settlement. However, I have seen men killed by their wives who stood over his dead body and claimed self defense because he was ‘abusive’… and watched that wife walk with little or no punishment from the legal system for it.
I can’t think of any major religion that can, or has so easily taken so much from so many men. A man who is a member of almost any religion can change his mind and walk away. His property, legal rights, relationships with his children will remain intact. A man in the military must follow the orders of his commanding officers, including lethal combat. But men who join the military are fully aware of this when they sign that contract. No one pretends that military service is anything other than what it is. They are also fully aware of the limited term of that contract. The number of years is clearly specified. While in the military, he does not lose his rights, property, children etc. I once heard military service described as blank check written by the veteran, payable to his country for an amount up to and including his life. Many veterans have written that check because they rightly believed their sacrifice was being made for something (their country) worthy of that sacrifice. Many countries have inspired this from many men. And many countries have been deemed worthy of it. I cannot find any women who are worthy of this.
A man who works in a job for a female boss has the option of changing his mind, and finding a different job without being stripped of his property, children, legal rights etc. Both the employer, and the employee have the option to abandon or continue that relationship with equal efficiency. The courts hearing cases of labor relations disputes do not side so extensively with one of these parties over the other.
While there are many different types of contracts a man may enter in his life, the western marriage contract is in a class by itself for the extent to which it is deceptive and fraudulent on the front end, and to the extent to which it is so completely one sided on the back end, for something so completely unworthy of those terms.
So, if you are a man who has signed such a contract, it doesn’t appear to me that you have anything left to call your own anymore. I don’t think that a man who has signed a marriage contract should even be concerned with wether or not he can still be recognized as a mgtow. That distinction seems like a relatively minor thing in the context of everything else he has lost. That man should instead be preoccupied with how he is going to convince his wife-owner to allow him to continue to enjoy those assets, legal rights etc. that were formally his.
But if that man really wants to know wether or not he can call himself a mgtow, then I would suggest that he ask the new owner of his property, assets, children and legal rights wether she would approve of that. After all, if I and other men on this site agree that the married man can call himself mgtow, and his new owner does not agree, what decision is there for him to make? Our agreement costs him nothing and means as little. But her disapproval will cost him enormously. If he agrees to pay that price, then he will find himself in the company of many other men here who have paid that same price for their previous wife-owner’s disapproved of them, and then he most definitely qualifies for the distinction.
If he does not agree to pay that price, then his wife-owner will have effectively vetoed his mgtow status and therefore the question was never ours to decide. But if his wife-owner does approve, then what? Do we can become a community of men who get to call ourselves “going our own way…whenever our wife-owners approve”. What conditions are wives going to place on their husbands in order to grant their approval? How will the rest of the mgtow community have to adapt in order to get that approval?
Just thinking this through, doesn’t that sort of defeat the point of calling it ‘our own way’ in the first place???
To married men, I am not trying to be rude or make you feel excluded. But if you agree to have your wife amputate both your legs, it is not me who has excluded you from the Olympics. My post is just the messenger of the reality that you volunteered to create for yourself.
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
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