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I have seen an increase in people attempting to corrupt the MGTOW movement, or perhaps blur the lines between MGTOW, and feminism. Can someone be a racist, or married MGTOW… now personally I think these are two things it’s impossible to be if you’re MGTOW. What are your personal opinions on this my fellow MGTOW’s?!
It is conceivable to combine any two… ideas. whether they can co-exist together is a different story.
Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....
Anonymous42#1, if you’re going your own way, how can you achieve this while being leashed to the government via governmental matrimony, you’re in a contract to go “their way”!
Racists can be MGTOW, but when they have a running with their nemesis they’ll be racists fighting racist MGTOW.
I don’t think they’ll last very long as racists, they’ll together become sexists, and eventually friends in a much greater cause….
I don’t feel it is necessary to strictly define who can and cannot be a MGTOW. I don’t give a flying fart if someone is religious, married, their ethnic background, employment status, political affiliation, a man-whore or celibate.
I do acknowledge that there are cases where being a MGTOW would be incompatible, e.g. a feminist MGTOW.
In defining MGTOW in his “Four Levels”, The Observer Watches states:
There lies one unifying idea that defines a MGTOW:
The recognition of the way modern society really works when it comes to the sexes, and a refusal to buy into and feed the system.
Pretty vague, but it works for me because MGTOW is a concept that becomes self-evident to each person in their own way. Basically through red pill observation and experience, a person realizes that men are getting a raw deal — that the system is obviously rigged against them.
How much and in what ways they are willing to withdraw from the system is why the idea of MGTOW levels was put forth.
So I do not agree that being married automatically disqualifies you from being a MGTOW. I have seen many members here who are married. The reason? Because a lot of them were blue-pilling, got married, then realized marriage is a scam. However, they also understand the extreme consequences of getting divorced. It literally can destroy a man emotionally, financially and physically.
Consider this: The National Institute for Healthcare Research found that divorcees are three-times more likely to commit suicide and that divorce is “the number one factor linked with suicide rates in major U.S. cities”.
These people might embrace MGTOW ideas (level 0) but aren’t willing or able to sever the ball and chain due to the consequences. Should we exclude these people from our ranks? Others might be relatively happy in their marriage, but they have seen enough to empathize with MGTOW.
Same goes for being a racist. Everyone is a racist to some degree. I found that people who proclaim loudly they are not racist are usually the most so. We all have stereotypes and prejudices. Acknowledging this reality is the first step to becoming less racist.
Where there would be a problem is if someone tries to assert that only a certain race can be an MGTOW or certain races should be excluded.
"You don't know a woman till you have met her in divorce court."I think a married man can want to be a MGHOW, but being in a contractual relationship will prevent him from walking the walk.
I sat here and thought about the question of racism for about ten minutes after I wrote the last sentence. I just don’t see how someone could reconcile racist ideals with truly having taken the red pill. From a scientific point of view, there are no sub-species of Homo Sapiens sapiens. That’s being purely rational and not including cultural conditioning on the subject of race.
Of course they can be “racist” and go their own way, they are deciding to do and believe what they choose to. Which is the essence of MGTOW.
Racism serves no purpose in the mgtow movement and is a fruitless endeavor.
You don’t have to be a certain skin color to go your own way.
It seems racism is a term that has so many different connotations these days that it needs clarification before anything can be decided upon.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.It seems racism is a term that has so many different connotations these days that it needs clarification before anything can be decided upon.
Right! What constitutes “racism” these days is very akin to what constitutes “sexism”.
You can’t even type the word “negro” on Yahoo because that’s considered “racist” and it looks like this: *****
…. but you CAN give money to “The United Negro College Fund”.
Either the word is “racist” or it’s NOT.
But just like those who cry “sexism”, it’s not “sexist” as long as they are enjoying benefits.••••
Racism is very unbecoming of MGTOW and even “MGTOW” itself began forming its roots in the black community. Sub-cultures often do. The very concept of “GAME” (male vs male competition for access to females) also came from there.
But can you be married and MGTOW? Well, everybody knows the answer to that. Sharing your life with your beloved wife is not called “going your own way”. It’s in the vows. I can’t even believe it was ever a question.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.A Man who is NOT a racist looks at another Man and says, “He hasn’t achieved my level of consciousness yet.”
A Man who IS a racist looks at another Man and says, “He hasn’t achieved my level of consciousness yet.”A Man who is NOT married looks at a Man who is and says, “How can you be going your own way when you’re married?”
A Man who IS married looks at a Man who isn’t and says, “How can you not understand that the government has a gun to my head?”A Man who thinks and does what another Man tells Him to think and do could never be MGTOW.
Most of my interests are in the “dead white male” culture category (as the college liberals lovingly call it) and as such my interaction with people is 99% with those of my own race. This doesn’t mean I dislike black people, I just find myself having little to nothing in common with the average black person. This can also be said about younger white people as well. Some might call me racist merely because I’m not trying to spend my time “understanding” black culture and embracing the joys of “diversity”. Most black culture of any real merit died off quite awhile ago, even the older generations of blacks must look at what the current culture has become and just shake their heads. From R&B, Blues, Jazz, Funk, Rock N Roll, etc., to hip hop; quite a drop off.
Outside of a few actors or comics, I see nothing of value. This isn’t based on them being black, I just can’t relate.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.I don’t see how anyone can stop a married racist from going his own way. He might have some legal problems, and maybe even some popularity problems, but he can cut his own difficult path regardless. Should he care how well he fits into the “MGTOW” mold? Nope.
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“Be water, my friend.” – Bruce Lee
Swallow this RED PILL ===> Men will lay down their lives for their brothers, their women and their children. This makes Men useful as slaves. Women will lay down their lives for ONLY their children. To expect more from women is just a FANTASY created by society and reinforced by the unconditional love that we experienced from our Mothers. The key to freedom is the understanding that the woman you meet is not going to fantastically love you like your Mother did. If you buy into the fantasy, then she is your new master. If you do not buy into the fantasy, then she is nothing, and you retain your freedom.
Ok Interesting topic
I took a strict view where it came to my freedom..I really wanted nothing to have any control over me…Nothing…Damn coffee rules me every morning…
Marriage did not stop me from having a mgtow frame of mind, and begin working towards being free, but even after my divorce I felt bound in chains of child support…I say no you must be single to go your own way…I added a good bit more about my divorce in a reply at the bottom of my intro that explains why I believe the mindset started at the birth of my daughter 1995… It was a reply to another topic that rambled and I felt was part of my story..
Racism is another form of bondage. Bondage of the mind..Your not free if the mind has hatred that is unfounded..I agree its unbecoming of mgtow… closed minded bigotry in any form rubs me the wrong way…
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
Ok Interesting topic I took a strict view where it came to my freedom..I really wanted nothing to have any control over me…Nothing…Damn coffee rules me every morning… Marriage did not stop me from having a mgtow frame of mind, and begin working towards being free, but even after my divorce I felt bound in chains of child support…I say no you must be single to go your own way…I added a good bit more about my divorce in a reply at the bottom of my intro that explains why I believe the mindset started at the birth of my daughter 1995… It was a reply to another topic that rambled and I felt was part of my story.. Racism is another form of bondage. Bondage of the mind..Your not free if the mind has hatred that is unfounded..I agree its unbecoming of mgtow… closed minded bigotry in any form rubs me the wrong way…
There’s a big difference between basing your dislike of a group of people merely on something as idiotic as skin color, nation of origin, etc., and having had personal encounters with them that were not positive or constructive by any means. There are plenty of white kids that have gone to schools where the majority of students are black, latin, etc., have been beaten up regularly and grow up to have a strong dislike or outright hatred of those people. Then you have the reverse experiences of black kids being harassed or beaten up in school by white kids. I would not blame them for having a strong dislike of whites based on these experiences. Nor would I call them a racist simply based on this.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.MGTOW isn’t an “ism”, which are all exclusionary, hate-mongering attitudes. MGTOW is a way of life. It’s preservation of your masculinity, your freedom, your wallet and your piece of mind. It doesn’t hate, or spew hate speech. It doesn’t bash women purely on gender. It’s about men taking themselves out of biased, unfair or otherwise detrimental situations so they can exist in a way that suits them individually.
If you’re a racist, then you’re a racist in addition to whatever else you may be (including being an asshole for being a racist).
If you’re married, you can still be MGTOW, but it’s much more difficult. If you set the boundaries and the rules that govern your marriage to keep your interests & freedom intact, it can work (in theory, but has never in practice).
“Affirmative Action” is the most “racist” program the U.S. or any supposedly free country could ever foist on its citizens.
So I agree with you whole-heartedly, BiG_Weasel, that these “assholes” in Congress and the White House who wrote, debated, and passed such racist laws against the Constitution of the United States should each have a staring roll in “Hustler’s Asshole Of The Month” column. We also should write our esteemed law makers and tell them that these laws “which are all exclusionary” and reflect “hate-mongering attitudes” should be repealed.
Married men CANNOT be MGTOW.
They can be MGTOW-wannabes, but as long as they are in a contract of servitude with the state and a woman that can choose to f~~~ him over at any time they wish whether or not he has done anything wrong, they will NOT be MGTOW.
Some guy posted on YouTube a while back a personal video of him being all p~~~ed because he’s married and still considers himself MGTOW. His title is: “Married MGTOW. Why can’t we have it all?”
I posted comments saying that he cannot be MGTOW. He may be aware of the dangerous situation of marriage, but because he is currently in a marriage, he cannot be “going his own way” as long as he is in a contract of slavery. He got really p~~~ed off at me and tried to defend his position with a series of hate-bashing. When I sent some more replies of more reasons why he cannot be MGTOW, but how he is really just a poser or a MGTOW-wannabe until he actually grows some b~~~~ and dumps his bitch, he just said “Whatever.”
Sounds like a woman to me.
Sorry to you guys on here who happen to be married, and I know there are at least several(some of you in the stages of getting a divorce, and you’re doing the right thing), but don’t expect to call yourselves MGTOW if you’re not kicking that bitch to the curb because you will NEVER be going YOUR own way, but only HERS to keep that bitch happy on a daily basis. What…you think you’re in a MGTOW state because you think you happen to be running things and that you can do whatever you want because your wife is pretending to let you be in command? Sorry, but that ring on your finger and that marriage contact is more like a pair of handcuffs…and she threw away the key a long time ago.
MGTOW isn’t an “ism”, which are all exclusionary, hate-mongering attitudes. MGTOW is a way of life. It’s preservation of your masculinity, your freedom, your wallet and your piece of mind. It doesn’t hate, or spew hate speech. It doesn’t bash women purely on gender. It’s about men taking themselves out of biased, unfair or otherwise detrimental situations so they can exist in a way that suits them individually. If you’re a racist, then you’re a racist in addition to whatever else you may be (including being an asshole for being a racist). If you’re married, you can still be MGTOW, but it’s much more difficult. If you set the boundaries and the rules that govern your marriage to keep your interests & freedom intact, it can work (in theory, but has never in practice).
MGTOW cannot be married. This is pretty much one of the agreed upon positions by 99.999% of MGTOW.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.“Affirmative Action” is the most “racist” program the U.S. or any supposedly free country could ever foist on its citizens. So I agree with you whole-heartedly, BiG_Weasel, that these “assholes” in Congress and the White House who wrote, debated, and passed such racist laws against the Constitution of the United States should each have a staring roll in “Hustler’s Asshole Of The Month” column. We also should write our esteemed law makers and tell them that these laws “which are all exclusionary” and reflect “hate-mongering attitudes” should be repealed.
Programs like Affirmative Action are reactionary attempts to punish the white male working force. This is the statist/leftist definition of equality. Instead of empowering minorities to pursue the path to self-betterment and the potential to succeed in the world, they hold them back by trying their hardest to keep them in the victim role. This way they can offer false opportunities that never pan out in order to get votes. White liberals are some of the most racist people on the planet.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.Ok Interesting topic I took a strict view where it came to my freedom..I really wanted nothing to have any control over me…Nothing…Damn coffee rules me every morning… Marriage did not stop me from having a mgtow frame of mind, and begin working towards being free, but even after my divorce I felt bound in chains of child support…I say no you must be single to go your own way…I added a good bit more about my divorce in a reply at the bottom of my intro that explains why I believe the mindset started at the birth of my daughter 1995… It was a reply to another topic that rambled and I felt was part of my story.. Racism is another form of bondage. Bondage of the mind..Your not free if the mind has hatred that is unfounded..I agree its unbecoming of mgtow… closed minded bigotry in any form rubs me the wrong way…
There’s a big difference between basing your dislike of a group of people merely on something as idiotic as skin color, nation of origin, etc., and having had personal encounters with them that were not positive or constructive by any means. There are plenty of white kids that have gone to schools where the majority of students are black, latin, etc., have been beaten up regularly and grow up to have a strong dislike or outright hatred of those people. Then you have the reverse experiences of black kids being harassed or beaten up in school by white kids. I would not blame them for having a strong dislike of whites based on these experiences. Nor would I call them a racist simply based on this.
I agree that negative personal encounters with other races is not something That I would blame anyone for, having hatred, but would that not be a founded in experience type of hatred? Unfounded in personal experience hatred is taught by many if not most races to some extent…teaching hatred is much worse in my opinion..Even those with good reason to hate (like bad experiences) will have to get over it or let hatred rule their mind forever. I look at hatred as a vice like an addiction. I know everyone don’t look at it that way..maybe they should..How much of your mind would you want to give up to make room for your next fix? “personally I have no space for it.”
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
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