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Anonymous6No one is forcing you to follow one path or the other.
You have dictated the path a man must follow to be going his own way.
To my mind that would be going your way.Attempt that in person with almost any man and see how long it takes to get to hospital? I mean seriously mate if you or g-mow tried this s~~~ on in person you’d be buried in my backyard already.
What you dictate as the path a man going his own way must follow is a logical fallacy.
If a man can not go his own way with a woman then a man can not go his own way and exist.
Without the cooperation of women men cease to exist.
Ceasing to exist is not in a mans interest.
Men going it alone is not MGTOW it’s men going to extinction.I absolutely hate that this is so.
It’s a large part of what drives any hatred I feel for women in confrontation.
However real problems require real solutions.Tell me again how reality is a word game.
How deconstructing fallacy is playing games with words.Or g-mow how it is I who is the TROLL.
That just isn’t true.
It is true. You’re just being pedantic bore.
You have dictated the path a man must follow to be going his own way.
Dictated? Don’t put words in my mouth.
I stated my opinion that a man cannot be a Man Going His Own Way if he were married or co-habitating and not actively planning to end those relationships. Note the use of capitals.
Here’s the part you don’t want to understand: There is a difference between a Man Going His Own Way and a man going his own way. The former is a phrase indicating a certain social phenomena and the latter is merely a statement. That’s why I tried to explain how a phrase has it’s own meaning and that meaning in turn constrains the meanings of the words making up the phrase.
Because you’re trolling, you want to claim the opposite, that the meanings of the words constrain the meaning of the phrase. Following that asinine “logic”, the “grass eaters” of Japan can’t be called grass eaters because they eat more than grass. In that you’re committing a referential fallacy. You’re insisting that any man going any way is a MGHOW while also knowing full well that MGHOW encompasses a meaning beyond the sum of it’s words.
You’re insisting on that faulty interpretation not because of some philosophical point of view, but because you’re little more than a reflexive contrarian, a troll, and an all around douche.
Attempt that in person with almost any man and see how long it takes to get to hospital?
So, now you’re threatening me?
What you dictate as the path a man going his own way must follow is a logical fallacy.
I dictated nothing, again you being overly literal and deliberately so in order to provoke an argument.
If a man can not go his own way with a woman then a man can not go his own way and exist.
Who’s dictating to whom now? I’m going my own way without a woman and I most certainly exist.
Without the cooperation of women men cease to exist.
That’s debatable.
Ceasing to exist is not in a mans interest.
That’s debatable too.
Tell me again how reality is a word game. How deconstructing fallacy is playing games with words.
You tell me. You’re the deconstructionist. As for logical fallacies, your posts are full of them because you’re nothing more than a troll.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Anonymous12generic text
You have dictated the path a man must follow to be going his own way.
To my mind that would be going your way.The concept, the idea of MGTOW dictates this.
Not Bill.
Attempt that in person with almost any man and see how long it takes to get to hospital? I mean seriously mate if you or g-mow tried this s~~~ on in person you’d be buried in my backyard already.Thank your wife then.
MGTOW comes with certain inconveniences.
There is a good neighbor, a male Friend, 911 or my Dog.
MGTOW is not an easy way of walking this earth.If a man can not go his own way with a woman then a man can not go his own way and exist.
Without the cooperation of women men cease to exist.
Ceasing to exist is not in a mans interest.
Men going it alone is not MGTOW it’s men going to extinction.And who
The f~~~
Cares.
Man is going extinct, now or later.
At least a MGTOW can live his life in peace, unshackled.
Technology will hopefully soon replace women.As i said…
MGTOW is not some sort of high ground.
MGTOW comes with a few very harsh consequences.You, Troll, seem ill equipped to handle this – be that the basic truths about it nor the consequences.
You are not going your own way, because you believe it is a bad idea, and struggle to understanding the basic truth – that your wife (and the state attached to her…) are pushing along.
If those two things do not get into your Mind, if you fail to observe how that affects your path, then you have not unplugged yet and in denial.
There is no helping people who are in denial.
I learned that from Gordon Ramsey XDYou and your wife stay in LaLa land then.
Come back when life WITH your wife has become unbearable,
or when you are willing to not go with the flow, not against the flow,
But willing to step out of the f~~~ing River of Bulls~~~.what is a Man Going His Own Way from? That’s right, women. a married man can sympathize with the MGTOW philosophy, and even want to eventually got their own way, but by definition is not currently going their own way.
"He didn't marry until now, so he won't ever do it. Think about it, why would a man like him ever marry? It's too late to catch him. " ~some cunt
what is a man going his own way from? That’s right, women. a married man can sympathize with the mgtow philosophy, and even want to eventually got their own way, but by definition is not currently going their own way.
As I’ve tried to explain, Raeul is insisting on an overly literal definition of the phrase “Man Going His Own Way” and he’s doing so in order to troll. Nothing more.
By deliberately deconstructing the phrase and thus ignoring the context of it’s use, Raeul wants to claim that any man going any way is a Man Going His Own Way. That, of course, is absolute nonsense. If MGTOW/MGHOW it supposed to mean something, it can’t mean everything.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
You say that “his way is never their way”.
If his way is the “right way”, then his way can be their way. In an employer employee relationship, the employer’s way is the right way. This can work within a relationship also.God bless, Michael
‘Right’ by who? You? Her?
And simply LOL at your employer analogy. I am fortunate myself that in my case my employer is great, but for a lot of other people it is very different…
What if the employer is undermining you, or abusing you, that is still the ‘right way’?
And yes, I stand by my earlier statement. As Tom says ‘even a broken clock is right twice a day, it doesn’t mean you use it to tell the time’.
If his way is their way then he is going his own way.
OK Stop.
Sharing his life with his beloved wife is the very antithesis of “MGTOW”. It’s not even an opinion or a moral issue. It’s a LEGAL issue. The law says you can’t be married and mgtow, and the marriage vows say it too.
When you’re married, you’re not “MGTOW”. You’re f~~~ing “married”. Full stop.
What is the ONE thing that separates “MGTOW” from all other demographics of men? From the married – to the PUAs. Can you guess??
It’s the promotion of the male/self best interest and his personal sovereignty to the primary directive and paramount position. “Woman” becomes a secondary consideration at best. You, your well being and your best interests are not the primary consideration when you signed a marriage contract. The man is LAST – even after his own kids.
Bet your life on it?
Can you afford to lose?
Stop it now. You’re not fooling anybody.
Here’s how “MGTOW” you are when you’re married.
http://nypost.com/2017/07/24/kayak-killer-pleads-guilty-to-homicide-in-fiances-death/If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.A married man can not be a MGTOW. Just like how Jedi can not be romantically in love. Case and point, Anakin cutting off Mace Windu’s hand and the Emperor unleashing unlimited power on him. Then he turned to the dark side in hopes of saving Padme.
Of course married men can Go Their Own Way.
It’s called divorce.
Anonymous6So, now you’re threatening me?
No I’m stating my own experience.
In the entirety of my life I remember only a single man who accepted anything like the degree of subjugation that is suggested by the idea that a man can define the terms another mans life is lived on.
In every other instance the result was violence, immediate and quite serious violence.I’m also stating that I know myself well enough to know that I can not endure another dictating to myself the terms my own life is lived on.
It matters not at all whether the dictator is male or female.There are quite a few people using this site with good insight into a lot of social problems.
There is an extensive awareness of good basic wisdom and it has been quite refreshing for myself.
But while I have seen some few posts that indicate deeper insights several of those who made such posts are conspicuous by their absence.I have been told here that I can not be going my own way because I believe another man can be following a different path to myself and still be going his own way.
This is herd mentality.Instinct is the enemy of intelligence, not man, not woman.
Wilful ignorance is suicide.
I can not afford to pretend it is otherwise.I enjoyed the exercise I got here.
There was one person that I recognise honestly and well deconstructed a proposition or argument I made.
I enjoyed that.Good luck.
Goodbye.No I’m stating my own experience.
You still don’t understand.
No one here is telling you what to do. No one here wants to tell you what to do you.
Someone asked for our opinions regarding married MGTOWs and we gave them. They’re only opinions. You’re free to agree, disagree, or ignore those opinions. It’s your life, your choice, and your journey.
Once again, I’ll try to impress on you that there is a difference between a “Man Going His Own Way” and the man going his own way. Because being a “Man Going His Own Way” presumes certain behaviors, in my opinion you’re the latter and not the former.
Here’s the kicker. The fact that most here wouldn’t consider you a “Man Going His Own Way” doesn’t mean a goddamn thing. My opinion doesn’t mean a goddamn thing.
You’re reading far too much into this, especially when you talk about “degrees of subjugation” and the serious violence which allegedly resulted. No one here is subjugating you and no one here wants to subjugate you. You’re suffering under some sort of conceptual disconnect which is preventing you from comprehending what we’ve been posting.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
In the entirety of my life I remember only a single man who accepted anything like the degree of subjugation that is suggested by the idea that a man can define the terms another mans life is lived on.
But he can define the terms by which they’re named.
You cannot be married and MGTOW any more than you can be female and MGTOW. Buy definition of terms.
Women cannot be MGTOW because it’s MEN Going Their Own Way, and women are not men.
Married men cannot be MGTOW because it’s Men Going Their OWN Way, and married men aren’t. Married men are going wifey’s way, or society’s way, and if they choose to try going any other way than wifey’s, wifey and society will punish them for it.
Calling yourself a “married MGHOW” doesn’t make it true. It makes you a liar.
So, now you’re threatening me?
No I’m stating my own experience.
In the entirety of my life I remember only a single man who accepted anything like the degree of subjugation that is suggested by the idea that a man can define the terms another mans life is lived on.
In every other instance the result was violence, immediate and quite serious violence.I’m also stating that I know myself well enough to know that I can not endure another dictating to myself the terms my own life is lived on.
It matters not at all whether the dictator is male or female.There are quite a few people using this site with good insight into a lot of social problems.
There is an extensive awareness of good basic wisdom and it has been quite refreshing for myself.
But while I have seen some few posts that indicate deeper insights several of those who made such posts are conspicuous by their absence.I have been told here that I can not be going my own way because I believe another man can be following a different path to myself and still be going his own way.
This is herd mentality.Instinct is the enemy of intelligence, not man, not woman.
Wilful ignorance is suicide.
I can not afford to pretend it is otherwise.I enjoyed the exercise I got here.
There was one person that I recognise honestly and well deconstructed a proposition or argument I made.
I enjoyed that.Good luck.
Goodbye.It doesn’t seem like you understand any of this, and yet you seem to insist on arguing. Which begs the question.. Why are you here?
Men going it alone is not MGTOW it’s men going to extinction.
So now a man has to be married to procreate?
Don't care
You say that “his way is never their way”.
If his way is the “right way”, then his way can be their way. In an employer employee relationship, the employer’s way is the right way. This can work within a relationship also.Bah, the employee can work at whatever time she like, wear whatever she like to work, even sleeping pajamas.
She can work as hard or as lazy as she want.
She can work as many hours as she like.
She can take leave anytime she want, as long as she like, even the entire duration when she are hired by the employer.
She can be lousy at her job.
She can scold or hit her boss whenever she feel like it.
She can take orders from her boss if she like, she can also ignore orders, in fact she can even order her boss around.
And the employer have to use the absolute majority of his profit to pay her.
And the employer can hardly afford to fire her because the government is on her side.
If the employer decide to fire her, or she resign, the employer have to give half of his company share to her. The employer will be force to pay her salary even when she no longer works for the company.
Because these companies are so profitable to the government, when less companies open to hire employees, the government starts making interviewee / internship having the same rights as employers and force the boss to open such companies.
Even now any potential candidate can get a share of the company’s profit when the boss is not careful in creating his product.
And interviewee turn down can get revenge on the boss by making a false accusation on the boss. It does not matter if she is found to be lying, there are no punishment.
So tell me again how this employer / employee relationship can work out?
There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.
Without the cooperation of women men cease to exist.
Ceasing to exist is not in a mans interest.
Men going it alone is not MGTOW it’s men going to extinction.Bah MGTOW will never go extinct as long as the
marriageslave contract exist.We are hardly the first MGTOW. In the fall of the Roman empire the misandry marriage contract is created MGTOW.
There are signs MGTOW emerge as early as Babylonian civilization.
With all the misandry going MGTOW will grow in greater numbers. The only why MGTOW will be extinct is when the misandry disappear and women bow to the men. Just like the Barbaric invaders of Roman empire (who are former MGTOW). And after a long time men forgot the horrors of women and let them come to power again like the western civilization now.
If you are worried about MGTOW existence you can spread your misandry more and convert more men to MGTOW. Sometimes I think whoever created feminism must be the greatest misogynist around because it destroy the greatest weapon women had.
Feminism Responsible For The Fall Of Rome
There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.
No! Only one exception, if you’ve woke up and are trying to get out. If you’re happily married, going shopping at the mall all Saturday with her, hanging out with her bitch friends, and biting your pillow every night while she plows you dry, then nope. You’re not MGTOW
Like a bird on the wire, like a drunk midnight choir, I have tried in my way to be free.
Can a slave remain on the plantation and still be free?
Can he have all the security and predictability and societal approval and whatever else that comes from serving the plantation, but still somehow remain free?
A married man does not have possession of his children, or his home, or his earnings and assets. About half of his Constitutional rights can disappear if the real owner of them chooses to make a phone call and turn them off. (If there’s ever any uncertainty about who owns what, family court will easily explain to a married man what he does not own).
I guess a married man could still call himself a man going his own way. I just wonder what part of his life equation he thinks he can still call his own? There doesn’t seem to be anything left.
Viewed another way: there is a price to pay for being mgtow. A man who makes this choice before ever getting married pays the least. But he will still be questioned, challenged, suspected and possibly even targeted for having made that decision. He will almost certainly be pushed from the relationships he had with his male friends once they are married. At the very least, he gives up that societal acceptance and approval that comes from getting married. If a man makes that decision after being married, the costs are enormous. And many of us here have paid them.
Either way, it does not come at zero cost no matter which choice a man makes. The idea that a man can be married, and still be a mgtow seems like a way to never pay either cost, and still have something that is his. A slave who walks to the fence line of the plantation and stares through the wire to freedom… is still not free, no matter how badly he wants it. A man on the other side of that wire staring back across does not have the societal approval and safety from challenge that comes from agreeing to serve on the plantation.
I feel very bad for trapped men who, for whatever reason, can’t pay the price to escape. And I wouldn’t say they should be excluded from this forum. I will still converse respectfully with any of them. And I’ll certainly be their biggest cheerleader and help any way I can if they make the decision to escape.
But I don’t see how it’s possible to have the benefits of both sides of the wire while not paying the costs of either…
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
A man can be considered MGTOW if he is:
1) participating and masturbating to pornography (which involves woman)
2) engaging in prostitution (which involves women)
3) gay (which involves sex with another man)but, a man is not to be considered MGTOW if he is”
1) married (which involves women)
By this logic, then one is forced to conclude that men who have children and are responsible for them and love them dearly cannot be considered MGTOW. (which involves half of the children being female)
Something is wrong with this picture!
God bless, Michael
Something is wrong with this picture!
Yes. It’s you.
No marriage. No cohabitation. NO PROCREATION.
These are the three things that define Going Your Own Way.
Everything else is up to you.
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