Being a Human Utility and Friend Zone Instance #1,316,595

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Megachris,
My first thought on reading this was to tell you to tell her that a guy on the internet nicknamed brain pilot offered you 50$ tell her to kiss off…but that you have to post a video of it on mgtow.com for everyone to see it. If she starts crying, and you get that on video, it’s worth an extra 50$. Then ask her if she’ll make you a better offer for helping her move…

The offer is still good if you decide to take me up on it, but I think it’s more important for you to realize that people decide how they will treat you based on information they get from you. A small fraction of that information is based on things you say. The vast majority of it is based on things you do and actions you take. When a woman insults, uses or otherwise s~~~ tests you like this, she is inviting you to show her how she is supposed to treat you. No matter what action you take in response, the action communicates a message that she will understand and act accordingly on. That message you send with your reACTION, communicates to her how you DESERVE to be treated.

You don’t have a choice about wether you send a message, as anything you do sends a message. Not doing or saying anything at all communicates a message.

But you DO get to choose the content of that message. And believe it or not, she will behave exactly as your message communicates to her that she should. You are going to be treated exactly as you communicate to her to treat you. A woman will always push right up to the limit of tolerance, but it’s your responsibility to clearly indicate where those limits are. How you feel or what you think doesn’t make have much influence over what’s about to happen right now. I’m not interested in reading about how you think or feel. My time here is scarce and I’m only concerned with what’s about to happen. The only thing that will have any effect over what happens (to you) next, is the content of the message you communicate by the actions you take.

Act in such a way as to communicate a message that even a deaf person could not possibly misunderstand. Women are experts at reading these messages contained in actions. The only reason she has behaved as you described is that at some point prior to this, she watched your actions and interpreted from them the message that this behavior by her is appropriate for you to be receiving. Until you change the message, no woman is going to change the behavior. In fact, until you show them exactly where the line of tolerance is, they will continue to behave is if there isn’t one at all…because that is the message you have communicated…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[…Spectator 1165]

MG 85 and BrainPilot: thank you for your astute comments on this thread. I have been worried about Mega since he signed up. Mega, if you are reading this: please realize that you have a personal disposition for dramatic behavior and involvement. I used to be like you as well bro. it takes awhile to realize that going up and down the drama ladder is always a losing proposition for a man worthy of calling himself a mgtow.

my prescription for you is buddhism as well as george carlin youtube videos.

the basic point of budhhism is that you MUST become an observer to the pendulum swings of human behavior. that is the most important idea. i used to look at the fat asian dude under the tree and think to myself “what a lazy ass mutherf~~~er this fat asshole is.” what made me hate buddism even more (f~~~ misspelled it 3 times but wtf…) is that one of my closest mentors and friends became a massive buddha freak and would try and trick me into chanting and attendance of their local meetings. that really f~~~ing p~~~ed me off. but anyway, as long as you care too much about all the busy activities that are keeping your need for drama alive, you will be an unhappy person. drama only works for short term things, and ultimately, to a buddhist thinker, it is all a waste of time. going back and forth. and back again. and forth again. and back and forth again. you are totally wasting your time until you can sit on the top of the mountain under the tree with the fat asian guy and laugh your ass off at how stupid human beings are.

hmmm, second part was….lemme re-read…..oh yeah! This: george carlin, american comedian, was a mgtow like a bitch. one of the smartest men to ever live, and one of the funniest off color, honest comics ever. a true hero to me for sure. i don’t think you are ready for his later works, but start with the beginning and see if you can recognize the mgtow ideas in him. i love him bro. right to truth, no matter what, and if you don’t like it, f~~~ you hahahaha. good luck man. we are all trying to help you out bro. keep us posted.

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

Update: She asked if I could help her move her bigger stuff this week on my work day off. I said no. Felt rather freeing.

I’ve always liked coming back to read what everyone says. In a way, I highly appreciate the metaphorical kick in the tail 😛

I’ve been thinking about the “what’s in it for me” method. I honestly don’t mind doing things for people, as long as the favor is repaid somehow, whether immediately,or in the future. That being said, as has been stated on here already, males seem to be much more consistent on returning favors than females.

Very soon after joining this site, I had slowly been noticing how when I ask a woman to do something, they try to instead change that idea or request into something that better suits their ideas.

Examples:

“I’m going to need $250 from you if you want me to do this favor.”

“I don’t have $250, but I have $200, and that should be enough.”

<span style=”line-height: 1.5;”>Keyword here: “SHOULD.” As in, “I feel my idea/opinion is better, so listen to me instead.” She knows it’s for her benefit to save her $50, and she thinks she sounds more logical that way. Those are signs of a controlling woman in the future…I learned that the hard way.</span>

Another example:

“I’m thinking of leaving to go somewhere 45 minutes away, but I’m leaving an hour and 15 minutes early…just in case.”

“I feel like it’s a better idea to leave an hour and a half early.”

All I think and am DYING to say is, “Did I ask for your opinion, woman?”

Lesson learned: Never state logical ideas you have out loud in front of a woman. Just go through with it and don’t spread your ideas to them. They either want to claim it for themselves or sabotage it somehow to see you fail.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

See, this is the you we know and love. The insight that you should never share your logical thoughts with a female, just act on them, less she claim them as her own or twist them to use against you… that’s pure genius. We all know this in our hearts because we’ve all experienced it so when you say this, I know there’s still a real man in there, like Luke could see there there was still goodness in Darth Vader.

So all you’ve got to do is grab your Emperor and metaphorically throw her over the railing and you’re good to go, man. We’re all right here behind you.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Chris,
That rather freeing feeling you got when you told her ‘no’… focus on that! Get yourself a big dose of that every day. Treat it like exercise and vitamins and never miss a day. Make it a very regular habit. Practice, practice, practice!! Become an expert at that. Eventually you will get so good at it that you’ll be able to see that trashy behavior coming and say ‘no’ before they ever get a good start on it. It will feel good like this every time you say it, and with practice, you’ll get better and better at it. The best it will ever feel is when some post wall leech throws sex at you as bait for some trap she’s laid or a bribe for some crap she wants, and you say ‘no’ to that. Saying no to overpriced sex with so many strings and hooks attached to it that it isn’t worth it anymore… is the mgtow wrecking ball.

Anytime you’re going to unleash this wrecking ball, best sure to get some popcorn and invite a few friends over if possible, because it will result in a highly entertaining show every single time.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Governor Megachris% wrote:

I’ve been thinking about the “what’s in it for me” method. I honestly don’t mind doing things for people, as long as the favor is repaid somehow, whether immediately,or in the future. That being said, as has been stated on here already, males seem to be much more consistent on returning favors than females.

It’s not just that males “seem” more consistent.  They are.  It’s built into our different methods of cooperation (or evolved if you prefer), and for very good reason.  It goes back to the difference between hunting and gathering, between the jungle and the village.

Men, being “disposable”, went out into the perilous jungle to hunt for resources that could not be easily gathered in the nice, safe village.  The stakes in such ventures were very high so men learned to cooperate through mutual reliance.  You saved your buddy from the sabertooth because the next time it could be your “disposable” butt needing saving.  The absence of mutual reliance and trust, otherwise known as “every man for himself”, only inevitably results in fat saberteeth.

Women, meanwhile, back in the safe village and fields didn’t have to risk nearly as much in their gathering efforts.  Instead of risking life and limb the way men did (and often still do), women merely risked lost time and effort gathering their resources, so women learned to cooperate through exchange.  A woman who attempts to gather in every different thing she might need in a single day wastes a lot of effort going from item to item, so it was more efficient for each woman to concentrate on gathering excess of one item and then exchange her excess for what she needed from other women.

When you ask a woman: “What’s in it for me?” you are making your position plain to her in terms of exchange she has evolved to comprehend instead of terms of mutual reliance she probably cannot.  It’s a lot easier getting what you want from women (also not getting what you don’t want) when you can express it in terms they can understand.

Governor Megachris% wrote:

Very soon after joining this site, I had slowly been noticing how when I ask a woman to do something, they try to instead change that idea or request into something that better suits their ideas.

Which is all part of their exchange based ethos.  Whether it’s money or time or attention or whatever, they are trying to bargain with you to maximize their benefit and minimize their cost.  The trick is being able to tell them: “No deal.”  And walk away if it comes to it.  You’ll find that more often than not they’ll come running after you rather than lose the “sale”.  That’s when you get to decide where things go from there (assuming you care to have them go anywhere at all).  And that’s the essence of freedom.

[Anonymous 1]

@babyblueranger:
The video was taken off. What was it about?

[Smitty the Great OneParticipant 1535]

Wow, Chris….. buddy, looks like you just got a series of slaps upside your head, I’m not gonna add to it. It took guts to come in here and admit what a tool you got used like. Not sure which was worse getting punked by them for a fin, or coming in here and admitting to it.

Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

I came on here knowing what would the reaction would be (deservedly so).  I honestly had literally nowhere else to vent about it, and it helped out in a weird way anyway.

Was glad to finally get home though, that’s for sure.  I actually got a whoppin’ $20 out of it instead of $10!  *insert sarcastic “woohoo!” here*

[Soul ManParticipant 1856]

F~~~in’ s~~~!  Pull you’re f~~~ing head out of your ass Chris!  I’m not trying to be mean to you (you’d know that for sure).  You are volunteering to bend over and take a tag team strap-on from these two c~~~s.  Grow a f~~~ing huge pair and tell them “ass or cash!” or you don’t move one more thing.  Right now you are their BITCH and THEY KNOW IT!  STOP THAT S~~~ OR YOU MAY AS WELL PUT ON A DRESS, GET A BOX OF CHARDONNAY, AND SHOVE A TAMPON UP YOUR BUTTHOLE!  I say that in the kindest most brotherly way of course…actually I would be far more brutal on my blood brother.

You need some new friends my man.  Real friends don’t f~~~ing use you and disrespect you right to your face.  Respect yourself and once you do that you won’t miss a beat telling these c~~~s to get f~~~ed.  Sack up man!

HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...

[…Spectator 1165]

antichrist of white knights hahhaahhaa. that s~~~ is hilarious bro. we have a
“burgundy” amongst us did you notice that? cool man.

[…Spectator 1165]

+1

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Yes…to SoulMan , you listen! Once you start down the dark path of doing s~~~ for chicks, forever will it dominate your destiny. Consume you, it will!

You gotta stop saying “yes”. ALL THE TIME, YOUR FIRST ANSWER SHOULD BE “NO”. TO EVERYTHING.

Chris do you have the time?

NO.

Chris, will you help me move?

NO.

Chris, do you have 2 $5s for a $10?

NO.

Chris are you free this Friday?

NO.

Say no to EVERYTHING. Why? Because then she will bust her ass to turn your no into a yes. That’s the position you want to be in. you don’t even have to think of anything els to say. “NO”. That’s it.

$20 ???? I wouldn’t even let that bitch IMAGINE ME JERKING OFF for $20.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Soul ManParticipant 1856]

… wrote:

antichrist of white knights hahhaahhaa. that s~~~ is hilarious bro. we have a “burgundy” amongst us did you notice that? cool man.

Yo ListenUp!  What’s happening bruddah!?!  Are you referring to the Ron Burgandy new guy?  I’m pretty sure I read a couple of his posts today?  Perhaps it was one of those trolling c~~~s from PA threads?  I hope those c~~~s enjoyed the bukkake pics I posted for them!  HAHA!

Anywho…just an afterthought here but I think Chris’ main problem is a lack of boundaries with wimmenz.  That’s a critical starting point around which all else is defined when dealing with these bleeding scourge of humanity.  Chris if you are reading this…start at square one buddy.  Establish your own boundaries and stick to them.  Anyone who doesn’t respect YOUR boundaries needs to go get f~~~ed and fall off a cliff.  Don’t let anyone else determine your value.  That is up to YOU.

HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...

[…Spectator 1165]

@soulman: me and cpig are talking in real life. he’s f~~~in cool man. ask him for my number. i’ll make sure you get it bro. happy wednesday bro.

[Soul ManParticipant 1856]

… wrote:

@soulman: me and cpig are talking in real life. he’s f~~~in cool man. ask him for my number. i’ll make sure you get it bro. happy wednesday bro.

Right on brother!  Sounds like fun!  We’ll coordinate the passing of information in short order.  I work some f~~~ed up hours so I’m off to bed at the moment.  Gotta work tomorrow night so time for ZZZZZs….let’s try and figure out how to exchange info tomorrow night.  I’ll be up allllll f~~~ing night then! HA!

HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...

[…Spectator 1165]

@soulman: yep. i dunno if there is any hope for chris man. as smitty would say “go pound sand and die after.”

[…Spectator 1165]

we will do it bro. i’ll see you soon bro. can’t wait to meet you.

[Soul ManParticipant 1856]

Remember how cpig got your info?  Check the same place for mine bruddah!  Let me know when you got it.

HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

It’s not happening again, that’s for sure.

Subliminal bolded “no” for good reason.

Don’t lose faith in me just yet.  I was the way I was for years, facing horrible consequence if I didn’t stay the same way I was.  Years of emotional abuse did this to me, but I’m fighting to get out of that mindset.  I stumbled, did something stupid…I completely agree with everyone on that.

I know for sure in my mind what is the right thing to do, absolutely.  I just let myself be fooled a little.  No, not a little.  Quite a lot.  A 10% payment for work of this level is absolutely unacceptable.

I need to look at my past and tell it to screw off, really.

Like I’ve said before, reading this page actually does better for my mental state than any psychiatrist I’ve ever had did.

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