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can you really call it a disease when you choose to do it?
when it goes beyond a choice to a need ,
then i believe it’s a disease...he explains that 90% of the addicts had CHILDHOOD TRAUMA,
most were sexually abused.
..they will do ANYTHING to stop the pain.I heard the banging sounds when mothers beat the s~~~ out of their sons for coming home with soil spots on their pants or after playing with me… (The “outlaw” child the c~~~s couldn’t control)
The 1970’s and 1980’s were full of parents that were eager to beat their children “into shape”…
They wanted to “create the perfect child…” when in reality they created broken adults.All women I ever met were afraid of life… And they couldn’t stand my clownish attitude towards taking risks and doing new things.
Abusive families (yelling, blame shaming and beating mothers) lead to narrow minded individuals who live in fear and “with their tail between their legs” until they die.
Feminism gave mothers the power and the justification to abuse… That’s where the spiral began.
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It is chilling if you read it and compare it to today’s society, hence why this is a book that people are discouraged from reading.
All of my “girlfriends” were extremely scared about the “strange” literature I was reading and the audio books that were all over my place…
It made me see: I come from a different planet.
Yes, I lack A LOT in my “manhood”: No drugs, no drink and no smoke… And 98 % of women think I am “boring”…
Never to be accepted by the hive.
In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim
Anonymous3It is chilling if you read it and compare it to today’s society, hence why this is a book that people are discouraged from reading.
All of my “girlfriends” were extremely scared about the “strange” literature I was reading and the audio books that were all over my place…
It made me see: I come from a different planet.
Yes, I lack A LOT in my “manhood”: No drugs, no drink and no smoke… And 98 % of women think I am “boring”…
Never to be accepted by the hive.
I drank for a short period of time, fortunately not too much, so no permanent damage, I hope. The problem is, again, society pushing that.
It wasn’t until much later that I learned of other guys in the fitness scene that also refused to drink or do drugs (although most use steroids I’m sure). Any man that seriously cares about his body is always going to dislike alcohol, smoking and drugs because it will ruin your body and kill your workouts.
That’s also why women don’t even like really fit men. They claim they do, but when they see a guy that is actually fit they are intimidated and uninterested, because they know he doesn’t have the destructive habits they are all excited by. He’s going to be a boring guy that eats clean and lives on a strict routine. No other way to build a fit body.
Alcoholics go to meetings. Drunks go to parties.
Joke aside, I see any sort of “dependence” as a potential weakness. Coming from a military standpoint, there will come a time where supplies are cut short and one’s dependence becomes their downfall. A smoker out of cigarettes? Withdrawal. A porn addict without porn? Withdrawal. An alcoholic without drink? Withdrawal. The symptoms vary slightly, but they all inevitably reduce combat effectiveness and may even cause catastrophic damage behind the lines.
Look, we’re all human. We all need outlets to get us through life, especially when it gets rough. There is no shame in indulging in vice so long as you don’t let it consume you or slowly work itself into an addiction. Have an outlet, but just know how it affects you so that you control it and not the other way around. After all, you’re a MGHOW – don’t let anything change that!
Besides… I can’t talk s~~~ until I own a Ferrari with all the money I don’t spend on such things. 🙂 (and I don’t want one, so that settles that!)
Logic guides your actions, emotion guides your morals. Only you may decide how you use them.
If you wake up in the morning, and your first instinct is to go to fridge and get a beer before you go to work, you have a problem. If you drink so much that you get the shakes because of alcohol withdrawl having gone extended periods of time without drinking, you have a problem.
If you can fill two recycle bins with empty bottles in cans in one week, you have a problem. If alcohol morphs you into a personality you’re not usually, then you have a problem. If you aren’t calling in sick, missing days of work, showing up wasted, being physical abusive, or blacking out and then repeating the process, what do you have to worry about?
Everyone drinks. The problem is, not everyone knows their limits. I grew up in the house of a alcoholic, who was an alcoholic before I was born. I watched him at his worst. Even that ironically enough was still better than the worst of other people. As long as it’s not consuming your life, or coercing you to make wrong decisions, I don’t see what the problem is with drinking.
I’ve been drunk only once in my entire life. It was a s~~~ty experience.
I needed nobody to tell me to never drink alcohol again.
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Anonymous3An alcoholic once he takes the first drink loses the ability to choose & then eventually loses the ability to not drink.
Phoenix nailed it
However it is a spiritual malady, a perverse soul sickness an attempt to fill the emptiness inside.
I found self examination, meditation & prayer is my way to navigate an uncaring, feminized world. I found MGTOW. An oasis in dry & barren land
Anonymous42Did you know the shakes are caused by nerve endings that grew new tips from being numbed from a long period of time?
Did you know the liver’s 500 other functions shutdown to metabolize alcohol, and yellow eyes are a sign of liver necrosis?
Last time I drank I turned my yard and the clearing into an 18 hole mini golf course, except my dog kept chasing the b~~~~ and chewing them!
leprechauns clean my house and the dishes are clean,
dried and put away the last time i drank.
i try to let them come on over every week or so..
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sometimes the little f~~~ers order me cool things online..
then I get stuck with the bill..
BASTARD’S!!!@ Joller,
The most advanced alcoholic I ever knew recovered for a time before he died about 30 years ago. He had been a skid row wino for most of his adult life. As a kid, he had been dirt poor and badly abused by a violent alcoholic father. When he was 15, he came up with a plan for escaping that life. He ran away from home and joined the US Marines. He was a big kid for his age and joined at a time when they were not as careful about who they took as they are now.The day he signed his recruitment papers was the day before Thanksgiving, 1941. His plan was to do his 4 years in the Marines, learn a skill and use it to get a job when he got out. It would have been a good plan, except that the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor 2 weeks later while he was in boot camp. He didn’t have much memory of the war because he stayed drunk for a big part it. I’m told this was the way for many veterans.
The day he turned 18 was about three years later. And by then, the Japanese had been losing and growing progressively desperate. On his 18th birthday, (the first day he could have legally bought alcohol) he was manning an antiaircraft gun on a Navy ship in the Pacific, shooting back at kamikazes trying to crash into his ship and kill him.
After more than 30 years of being a skid row wino, when he had finally recovered, he was asked if he was scared at the time. He said, that he wasn’t scared, he was drunk instead. He said that any rational sober person would have run from that insanity. But on a ship, there’s nowhere to run. Even if there was, desertion during a war will get you shot by your own side. Trying to fight a war sober is so terrifying that most sane, sober, rational people cannot function well enough to fight. But if you’re drunk, you don’t feel terror. You don’t feel guilt, shame, sadness or anything else, either. That makes it possible to do your job and survive, but impossible to have normal relationships with people and society.
30 years after the war ended, this guy still carried around all that terror that he had never allowed himself to feel. The threat had passed, but the terror it created had not passed because a person has to feel it for a while before it wears off. He stayed drunk so he never felt it, and it never passed. When he stopped drinking 30 years after the war ended, all that suppressed terror resurfaced.
What I learned from this guy’s story was that some unfortunate people have experiences that create so much pain, or so much terror or so much of some other horrible emotion, that it is impossible to function, and maybe even impossible to survive if they don’t find a way to suppress it. Technically, they do choose to drink to suppress these emotions, and this leads them to alcoholism. Alcohol allows them to function in the routine things that would be otherwise impossible if they were required to simultaneously allow themselves to feel enormous amounts of pain or terror. So, for them it is sometimes the best choice, but from a short list of very crappy options.
Ironically, alcoholism can be the most sane, rational choice for a person in an insane, irrational set of circumstances.
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Interesting thread and discussion. I’ve done some reading on my own today about this very topic because of my current situation (and you can read about in my thread). The consensus suggests alcoholism is a disease, but I’ve never heard of someone who is addicted to other forms of drugs referred to as having a disease. Being a chain smoker does not mean you have a disease, it means you have an addiction problem. If this is true, would it not make sense that you could be addicted to alcohol but not have alcoholism? Or you could reverse that, you could have alcoholism but not be addicted to alcohol. Think about that one. That seems true to me one way, but not the other. If alcoholism is a disease, is there a cure? I’ve never heard of medication for alcoholism, only rehabilitation away from addiction.
It’s interesting the highly negative reaction to alcohol that most here report. I wouldn’t have expected it. I’ve seen plenty of Terrence Popp videos where Popp is drinking, and another from a channel whose name I can’t remember. Compared to most I probably do drink a lot. I also vape and smoke a cigar occasionally. I don’t want to offend anyone here, but there are many styles of alcoholic beverages and tobacco products and you shouldn’t ignore them simply because they are toxic. They are meant to be enjoyed responsibly and leisurely. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that.
Here’s a link worth checking out: Dihydrogen Monoxide Facts For those who don’t know, DHMO or Dihydrogen Monoxide is WATER. Consider that for a second.
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Anonymous8I think addiction is about behavior not disease. Granted it is still a medical issue, not a legal or criminal one in my opinion.
If someone gets sick because of behavior they know is harmful, do they deserve the same compassion as someone who gets sick through no fault of their own? I would say yes, but up to a point and they should be expected to change that behavior or suffer the consequences if they choose not to.
By classifying Alcoholism as a disease a lack of ownership is an accurate description Joller, like how the twelve step program makes you accept a higher power, by admitting that you have no power over your substance of choice which does in effect enable a sense of victimhood. The notion that it’s not their fault, that they are not in control of their own behavior. A lack of agency.
I used to smoke dope, cigarettes and drink alcohol frequently years ago. I’ve quit cigarettes and no longer drink, except for special occasion and sparingly at that. I still smoke dope, but in moderation and I can function perfectly well without it. On the other hand, there are people I was friends with who never changed those patterns and as far as I can tell they won’t, others can’t, I just hope they can find some peace on the other side.
Anonymous5I drink beer heavily! Like, 5 to seven beer a day.
Yes, I know it’s not “healthy”, but who f~~~ing cares?
I don’t drink soda, nor hard liquor. I enjoy drinking beer, it’s delicious…
But, this thread makes me feel like I drink too much. I should probably cut down on how many beers I consume a day.
I have always been a big drinker and all of my social life revolves around it. Weekends when I am home I enjoy boozing away
I know I don’t have a problem though because I don’t drink at home in the week and this week we are in now I haven’t touched a drop (no pub lunches or nights out) and it is no sweat – I genuinely haven’t felt any need to drink anything
when that changes to a need to drink all of the time, I might turn round and consider quitting
(although I could do with dropping the weight gain it has given me)
Yes, Alcoholism is a disease. Psychological, physiological addiction.
Severe doses and frequency destroy Liver (cirrhosis), can be a reason for cholecystitis (and gallstones) and pancreatitis, also suppresses brain function. Chance of Podagra aswell, if coupled with big quantity of animal fats/meats, Podagra – Historically The ”Rich man’s disease”.
I’v met the patients with pancreatitis who lie about how much they drink, I’v seen the autopsy, the huge diseased liver. There is no doubt that those who can’t control the drinking are alcoholics and need to stop/get help/cure themselves before it’s too late. Nothing great about it.
This is the part that you really won’t believe. it stated that an employee can drink in the office on occasion if signed off by a manager.
Sounds great, to celebrate a successful business week in the office with coworkers or something etc.
As long as people can moderate things.. most people can’t drink in moderation and that’s why we have millions of alcoholics in Post-USSR space. Dunno about the West, but I think it’s no different.
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Ironically, alcoholism can be the most sane, rational choice for a person in an insane, irrational set of circumstances.
Yes, in the hated Army draft duty I could kill off half of a beer case in one evening all by myself… That’s around 1 gallon or 4 liters…
After I came home with blue rings around my eyes I stayed home for months, quit drinking and smoking…
The 15 months of draft duty in German Army was the only time period I ever became friends with the bottle.
Since September of 1989, I used more Ethanol to clean VCR mechanisms than I poured down my throat.
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That’s around 1 gallon or 4 liters…
I’v done it once. I had 1,5 gallons or 6 liters of beer over night, visiting bars in Riga, on my Birthday. And some pot.
If you don’t drink often, it’s not alcoholism, drinking in moderation or getting drunk once in a while …eh. Have fun. But my last bottle of beer was 6 month’s ago. I can have a bottle of beer once in a few month’s. I just don’t enjoy it as much now.
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PS. forgot to add x5 times higher risk of Epilepsy in alcoholics. I’v seen such guy have 5 epileptic seizures in 4 hours I was in hospital. After 2 days of “Party-hard’ and drinking alcohol which was completely forbidden considering his condition and he didn’t take medicine.. yeh what a sight. Men just poison themselves, nothing I can do but try to help afterwards and watch, and wish they would listen & think beforehand.
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Anonymous1The general consensus then is that most think alcoholism is a disease. I’m not completely convinced and still believe it’s a choice, maybe I’m sounding a little unsympathetic but I’m a fairly heavy drinker myself and I know it’s on me if I choose to get wasted. I box and sprint during the week, so save the drinking for the weekend but not always – trying to sprint or box with a hangover is a gruelling experience and I don’t reach anywhere near the levels I usually would.
There’s a lot of men on this site who abstain from alcohol completely because they know the consequences of what will happen if they drink, and that is taking responsibility. Those that are further down the line and completely reliant on alcohol have still made to choice to get to that point. If you tell someone it’s not their fault and they don’t have a choice but to drink then you take away that responsibility and that person will happily drink themselves to death.
Some people say obesity is a disease but they just like eating.
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