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To be honest, it is the western thinking that has not “the word” for MGTaoist’s way of thought.And the droplet is the ocean, but not in the way you think it is, the scientifical way.
“is” means “the same”, “equality”. If everything is the same then that would mean that MGTaosit is narhwal, and there would be no point in this conversation because I would be speaking to myself…or he would be speaking to himself. Something like that. We (I?) would be in agreement about this point.
And since when are you not talking to yourself, or him to himself? Aren’t we the mirror of our ideas?
We are all here for the same reason. So in some manner, we are all talking to ourselves…"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
It isnt true that life is all interconected.Tell me of one species that wold suffer without humans.Just one, no especies on this planet need humans to survive, NONE.
If all humans died, lots of species would be affected. Some would die off, some would rise.Life would go on. It is probably analogous to a body losing some skin cells. New life grows in place.Keeping the same analogy one could say the heart is like the sun. Lose that and the body(life) dies.
Tell me what especies is that?
There ia not one single organism on this planet that needs humans to survive, NONE, best we can do is virus like HIV, and it existed long before it jumped to humans.
Toxoplasma needs rats, the frogs need insects, insects need flowers, there is not one single species that predates humans, none, CERO, the planet might be a single cell, a living organism, all are needed to keep balance, HUMANS ARE NOT PART OF THAT ECUATION.
tell me 1 organism that need humans to survive, just one, one, just one, dont give budda crap, i eat that for breakfast, i want ONE ORGANISM THAT NEED HUMANS TO SURVIVE.
anyone, there is a lot of smart men in here, i challenge all of you to tell me ONE.
the problem is our ego, we humans wanna be included, we believe we are important and the center of the universe, but we are not, we are not even needed in this planet, in fact we are a desease, dont get me wrong im cool with that, but that is the truth, we are an utter f~~~ up.If people don’t harvest deer, the deer population grows and then there is not enough food for the deer, they get sick and die, not all of them of course, but humans do have some impact on the lives of deer. If no one fishes a lake, the fish population grows, but all of the fish are smaller. When people regularly fish a lake, the fishes will become larger. The animals may not depend on us for life, but through natural harvesting, we can have a positive effect on their lives.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
The only problem with dying, is that if you die without fulfilling your wishes, it is a stupid death. The old servants of the old Shoguns, specially those attached to the court of Tokugawa-sama, where he himself said that “one dying without fulfilling his full potential, has died a dog’s death” (a meaningless death).There is no problem in dying. In fact, dying solves all of your problems, but dying without being a useful death? Have you lived your life to the fullest? If not, why not? Why would you want to die, without having ever tried the taste of true living?Makes no sense, right?
It depends on how you view the value of life and the after-life, if there is such thing. If you take the attitude that there is no after-life, and your own emotions and the quality of life and others is meaningless, just a part of the meaningless drama of the universe, then there really shouldn’t be anything lost in death.If you believe in an after-life, than life only really has value in terms of meeting the requirements for entering the after-life. Once those requirements are met, death should actually be welcomed. In terms of eternity, ‘life’ is only a small spec of time.But very few people seem to see it either of these ways. We tend to think life has meaning, without really having an explanation why we think that. We tend to think that how are death impacts others matters, even though we don’t know that we will have a consciousness to know what that is, or if we do, that it would even still matter to us. We are afraid of not fulfilling and experiencing what life has to offer, with knowing that we will remember life after death, or that life after death isn’t multitudes more fulfilling than anything we experience in life.I’m not even sure we could comprehend if we didn’t have knowledge of these things. As a random example, if life after death is a consciousness in which we no longer feel sorrow, anger or anything like that, only joy then we would then not be able to remember are past lives since that would surely require feeling regret. We would not likely even know what is going on in current life for the things that used to matter to us. For something to matter to us, we necessarily be capable of experiencing negative emotions.And I get that this is perhaps the point of this thread. Life and death are necessary parts of the same thing, as one cannot be defined without the existence of the other.
After-life or no after-life is not the point. The point is that dying while you have not done the things you want to do, you have died in vain, don’t you agree?Why should I believe in after-life, more so why should I live my life in “preparation” for the after-life? It makes no sense.I live my life the way I think it should be lived, after-life or not, and I couldn’t care less about if I’ve reaped “good karma” or not. What is karma, anyway?
Also, why should I fear death, or even fear dying while not having lied life to the fullest, because I may or may not “remember” it in the after-life? This thinking is not only wrong, it is also disturbing, to be honest, because you are placing value in something as shifting as quicksand. I dont want to life an unfulfiling life, which I deemed good enough on my terms. Which is why I don’t want to die a vain death. No mysticism on it, just plain old want.
Life has meaning, the meaning is what you want it to be, be it good or bad.
The point of the post is that we think too much and do too little. Life is made to be lived, not thought out. It is an open invite to DO MORE with your life, instead of thinking about it.I think a lot of people die with some regrets even if they believe they’ve accomplished a lot in their lives. I’m pretty content with my life and mostly happy, but upon my death, I may look back and wish I had done something different.
I just don’t want to live my life in fear, or worry a lot. I still worry about some things, but I’ve managed to change that quite a bit. I used to worry about all kinds of useless s~~~. The older I get, the less I worry. Maybe because I’m closer to death. LOL
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
It isnt true that life is all interconected.Tell me of one species that wold suffer without humans.Just one, no especies on this planet need humans to survive, NONE.
If all humans died, lots of species would be affected. Some would die off, some would rise.Life would go on. It is probably analogous to a body losing some skin cells. New life grows in place.Keeping the same analogy one could say the heart is like the sun. Lose that and the body(life) dies.
Tell me what especies is that?There ia not one single organism on this planet that needs humans to survive, NONE, best we can do is virus like HIV, and it existed long before it jumped to humans.Toxoplasma needs rats, the frogs need insects, insects need flowers, there is not one single species that predates humans, none, CERO, the planet might be a single cell, a living organism, all are needed to keep balance, HUMANS ARE NOT PART OF THAT ECUATION.tell me 1 organism that need humans to survive, just one, one, just one, dont give budda crap, i eat that for breakfast, i want ONE ORGANISM THAT NEED HUMANS TO SURVIVE.anyone, there is a lot of smart men in here, i challenge all of you to tell me ONE.the problem is our ego, we humans wanna be included, we believe we are important and the center of the universe, but we are not, we are not even needed in this planet, in fact we are a desease, dont get me wrong im cool with that, but that is the truth, we are an utter f~~~ up.
If people don’t harvest deer, the deer population grows and then there is not enough food for the deer, they get sick and die, not all of them of course, but humans do have some impact on the lives of deer. If no one fishes a lake, the fish population grows, but all of the fish are smaller. When people regularly fish a lake, the fishes will become larger. The animals may not depend on us for life, but through natural harvesting, we can have a positive effect on their lives.
Also, some domesticated animals like cows. They can’t survive in the winter without someone giving them food and water. When I was a kid on the farm, I had to go bust up the ice on the pond so the cows would have water.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Tell me what especies is that?
There ia not one single organism on this planet that needs humans to survive, NONE, best we can do is virus like HIV, and it existed long before it jumped to humans.
Toxoplasma needs rats, the frogs need insects, insects need flowers, there is not one single species that predates humans, none, CERO, the planet might be a single cell, a living organism, all are needed to keep balance, HUMANS ARE NOT PART OF THAT ECUATION.
tell me 1 organism that need humans to survive, just one, one, just one, dont give budda crap, i eat that for breakfast, i want ONE ORGANISM THAT NEED HUMANS TO SURVIVE.
anyone, there is a lot of smart men in here, i challenge all of you to tell me ONE.
the problem is our ego, we humans wanna be included, we believe we are important and the center of the universe, but we are not, we are not even needed in this planet, in fact we are a desease, dont get me wrong im cool with that, but that is the truth, we are an utter f~~~ up.My buddy, agent Smith and I concur.
All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.
After-life or no after-life is not the point. The point is that dying while you have not done the things you want to do, you have died in vain, don’t you agree?
Why does it matter if you’ve done the things you want to do? If there is no consciousness after death, then accomplishing things in life is irrelevant. It only matters when your still alive.
As an example, if you were playing a video game and set a goal to reach a certain score before your character dies. However, once your character dies, you lose memory that you achieved that score, or that you ever played the game to begin with. In that scenario, it doesn’t really matter whether you achieved your goal or not. The only thing that remotely matters is that you had fun while trying, but if that doesn’t really matter once the ‘life’ is done.
Why should I believe in after-life, more so why should I live my life in “preparation” for the after-life? It makes no sense.
I live my life the way I think it should be lived, after-life or not, and I couldn’t care less about if I’ve reaped “good karma” or not. What is karma, anyway?I never said you should believe in any of that. I was only recognizing that many people do, and this believe tends to dictate their motivations and actions. While people that don’t believe in an after-life tend to motivations and actions of a different sort.
Also, why should I fear death, or even fear dying while not having lied life to the fullest, because I may or may not “remember” it in the after-life? This thinking is not only wrong, it is also disturbing, to be honest, because you are placing value in something as shifting as quicksand. I dont want to life an unfulfiling life, which I deemed good enough on my terms. Which is why I don’t want to die a vain death. No mysticism on it, just plain old want.
If death means that you have no consciousness, no memory of life, than whether or not you died in vain, lived life to the fullest, or whatever goals you had for life…will only matter in the time you have while you’re still alive. You could say that it only matters during the time you’re alive, realizing that death is coming and the goals you had for live are no longer achievable. And yes, I absolutely the way people think, it’s how we are wired, it’s plain on want. But from a logical non-emotional standpoint, it just doesn’t matter, if there is no consciousness after death.
Life has meaning, the meaning is what you want it to be, be it good or bad.
The point of the post is that we think too much and do too little. Life is made to be lived, not thought out. It is an open invite to DO MORE with your life, instead of thinking about it.
Absolutely. And it’s quite clear that for many people on this planet, what has meaning to them, and how they want to spend their life, is in preparation for the after-life they believe in. To them, thinking about life is important, and they would rather do that then what other people chose to spend their time. That’s what they want it to be.
Ok. Then do it.
If people don’t harvest deer, the deer population grows and then there is not enough food for the deer, they get sick and die, not all of them of course, but humans do have some impact on the lives of deer. If no one fishes a lake, the fish population grows, but all of the fish are smaller. When people regularly fish a lake, the fishes will become larger. The animals may not depend on us for life, but through natural harvesting, we can have a positive effect on their lives.
The lack of food for deer has a lot to do with the fact that humans have put great restrictions on their natural habitats. Most of humans do for animals is actually more of restoring what we took away from them in the first place. There are also many species that have flourished in far greater numbers because of the interference of humans. There is invasive plant life for trees and such that humans moved from one location to another. There are domesticated animals, like dogs and cows, that humans have protected and manipulated the natural breeding processes for our own benefit. And of course, we do an excellent job of keeping the organisms that cause STDs alive and well. That’s not to say any of these specify needs us for survival though, just that we effect their lives.
I think the point is though that if humans went away, the vast majority of species would be just fine, and likely existing in a stable ecosystem. The only exception I can think of might possibly be any microorganisms that feed off our bodies in a parasitic, or symbiotic, nature that cannot form the same relationship with other animals. I have no idea whether the bacteria in our stomachs can survive just as well in the stomachs of other animals though.
Ok. Then do it.
Cowd just leave, animals migrate, fish are cannivals they ear each other, wolves hunt deer, animal kingdom does not need us at all.
They can survive, cows know when winter is coming and they move to the south.
Come on guys seriusly?
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
Hummm ok, carnage wins… I dont care anymore.
Bye
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
Why does it matter if you’ve done the things you want to do? If there is no consciousness after death, then accomplishing things in life is irrelevant. It only matters when your still alive.
As an example, if you were playing a video game and set a goal to reach a certain score before your character dies. However, once your character dies, you lose memory that you achieved that score, or that you ever played the game to begin with. In that scenario, it doesn’t really matter whether you achieved your goal or not. The only thing that remotely matters is that you had fun while trying, but if that doesn’t really matter once the ‘life’ is done.Well, doing the things you like to do don’t matter to you? Would your life be happier, or better, if you have not done the things you did, or do the things you want to do?
Is it an imperative to everyone, that life will only have meaning if there is an after-life? Better yet, is it an imperative to you, that in order to live a better life, you must have life after death? Why so?"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
Cowd just leave, animals migrate, fish are cannivals they ear each other, wolves hunt deer, animal kingdom does not need us at all.
They can survive, cows know when winter is coming and they move to the south.
Come on guys seriusly?You seem to forget that modern cows are not even remotely related to the cows men used to hunt a few hundreds of million years ago, Carnage.
Same as dogs, cats, and other animals that somehow have been selectively breed by humans."Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
If death means that you have no consciousness, no memory of life, than whether or not you died in vain, lived life to the fullest, or whatever goals you had for life…will only matter in the time you have while you’re still alive. You could say that it only matters during the time you’re alive, realizing that death is coming and the goals you had for live are no longer achievable. And yes, I absolutely the way people think, it’s how we are wired, it’s plain on want. But from a logical non-emotional standpoint, it just doesn’t matter, if there is no consciousness after death.
“You could say that it only matters during the time you’re alive, realizing that death is coming and the goals you had for live are no longer achievable.”
THIS.When you know that death is coming towards you, each and every day, inexorably, don’t that give you a sense of urge, to do whatever you want to do before you die, and have no chance of doing the things you like or love to do? At least once?
Dying with that regret in your last gasp is what is the “dog’s death” that Tokugawa Ieyasu-sama was talking about. While having your last gasp, you should look back and say “gods be damned, what a f~~~ing great ride that my life was! I couldn’t ask for anything better!”, and go to oblivion with zero regrets. This is what “living a good life” is all about.
It has nothing to do with post-mortem rewards or better places, it has to live life on your terms to the fullest. Just that."Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
Well, doing the things you like to do don’t matter to you? Would your life be happier, or better, if you have not done the things you did, or do the things you want to do?
Like I said before, these things matter while I’m alive. If I have no consciousness after death, then clearly, nothing matters after that.
Is it an imperative to everyone, that life will only have meaning if there is an after-life? Better yet, is it an imperative to you, that in order to live a better life, you must have life after death? Why so
s it an imperative to everyone, that life will only have meaning if there is an after-life? Better yet, is it an imperative to you, that in order to live a better life, you must have life after death? Why so?
I never said any of these things. Clearly people find meaning and purpose in life regardless of whether they believe there is life after death or not. People will always strive to live what they see is a better life. Some are going to live according to a code, some want to maximize experiences, some want to die with the most toys, some want to feel like they impacted others positively. Which is a better life? I don’t know. What I do know is, if there is no consciousness after death, all these people are just dead, and how good of a life they led won’t matter to them.
To be clear on my personal beliefs, I do think there is an afterlife. However, I don’t think entry into heaven as an afterlife is based on leading a good life as it is on acknowledgement of God, of acceptance of where you fit in with everything. Hell is not so much a place of punishment, but of where you are when you can’t accept grace. If that makes any sense. But maybe that’s not what it is at all. I don’t know.
Ok. Then do it.
When you know that death is coming towards you, each and every day, inexorably, don’t that give you a sense of urge, to do whatever you want to do before you die, and have no chance of doing the things you like or love to do? At least once?
Dying with that regret in your last gasp is what is the “dog’s death” that Tokugawa Ieyasu-sama was talking about. While having your last gasp, you should look back and say “gods be damned, what a f~~~ing great ride that my life was! I couldn’t ask for anything better!”, and go to oblivion with zero regrets. This is what “living a good life” is all about.
It has nothing to do with post-mortem rewards or better places, it has to live life on your terms to the fullest. Just that.If you have nothing after death, you aren’t taking your regrets with you. I’d argue that although I want them, it’s kind of pointless to regret anything. You aren’t taking any of it with you.
I’m not claiming there are post-mortem rewards. I actually have a distaste for parts of Christian dogma that claim there are post-mortem rewards.
Perhaps the best way to put it, and I’m thinking you’ll agree, is that it’s about the journey not the destination. I’m not interested in putting points on the scoreboard. You climb the mountain because it’s there, because you want to. You help out your neighbor because you want to, because you enjoy doing so. And sure, if being able to feel like you’re life was good on your deathbed matters to you, then do it. Do it for experiencing that moment. That feeling won’t there anymore after you’re dead.
Ok. Then do it.
< And sure, if being able to feel like you’re life was good on your deathbed matters to you, then do it. Do it for experiencing that moment. That feeling won’t there anymore after you’re dead.
Just got a great idea for when I’m on my deathbed… my farts are legendary.
On my deathbed, I will have eaten chick peas, black beans, kidney beans, wasabi peas, broccoli, and hard boiled eggs. But I will hold all the farts in.
Then when I die, everyone gathered around will suffer one final massive mega-fart. And I guarantee that fart will be around for a while after I’m dead.
All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.
< And sure, if being able to feel like you’re life was good on your deathbed matters to you, then do it. Do it for experiencing that moment. That feeling won’t there anymore after you’re dead.
Just got a great idea for when I’m on my deathbed… my farts are legendary.
On my deathbed, I will have eaten chick peas, black beans, kidney beans, wasabi peas, broccoli, and hard boiled eggs. But I will hold all the farts in.
Then when I die, everyone gathered around will suffer one final massive mega-fart. And I guarantee that fart will be around for a while after I’m dead.It’s nice to leave something behind for posterity. I doubt it will be only gas however. Holding all that in……..when the bowels release, there will be a mess.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
You are a single point of awareness, part of a larger whole. A drop of water IS the ocean. It might think itself a separate being (the ego), but this does not change REALITY which is it is part of the ocean and therefore IS the ocean.
Even a small pebble can create an avalanche. A small leak can eventually erode a dam to the point of failure.
All each MGTOW are is one more piece of straw on the camel’s back of society, further straining society little by little by walking away and not contributing, to the point society will eventually collapse.
Anonymous38We tend to think life has meaning, without really having an explanation why we think that.
No explanation or debate needed. Wise people don’t sit around trying to come up with a meaning for life. Why the need for it? You are alive. They know it’s what you do during your life that creates the meaning.
We are afraid of not fulfilling and experiencing what life has to offer
Yes, humans are afraid of not living fully. Sadly, many don’t turn this fear into anything positive, and more or less waste their lives. I believe it is the desire of all people to be happy, actualised human beings. Happiness, enlightenment, is the goal. If you haven’t learned how to be these things then it does seem a waste, to me personally.
“is” means “the same”, “equality”. If everything is the same then that would mean that MGTaosit is narhwal, and there would be no point in this conversation because I would be speaking to myself…or he would be speaking to himself. Something like that. We (I?) would be in agreement about this point.
You are correct. But an enlightened way of thinking demands you give up certain divisive concepts. For it is divisive ideas that lead to all the bad things in the world, divisive people argue, fight, judge, kill, and suffer all manner of problems in their mind.
the problem is our ego, we humans wanna be included, we believe we are important and the center of the universe, but we are not, we are not even needed in this planet, in fact we are a desease, dont get me wrong im cool with that, but that is the truth, we are an utter f~~~ up.
It is your perception, set by your own perspective, of which you have full control, that is the disease here.
Anonymous38You are a single point of awareness, part of a larger whole. A drop of water IS the ocean. It might think itself a separate being (the ego), but this does not change REALITY which is it is part of the ocean and therefore IS the ocean.
Even a small pebble can create an avalanche. A small leak can eventually erode a dam to the point of failure.
All each MGTOW are is one more piece of straw on the camel’s back of society, further straining society little by little by walking away and not contributing, to the point society will eventually collapse.I doubt many MGTOW want society to collapse. Maybe some who are still raging. But life is pretty good. Are we not free of the plantation?
Wanting society to collapse is a silly lashing out at people who have hurt us.
Anonymous38< And sure, if being able to feel like you’re life was good on your deathbed matters to you, then do it. Do it for experiencing that moment. That feeling won’t there anymore after you’re dead.
Just got a great idea for when I’m on my deathbed… my farts are legendary.
On my deathbed, I will have eaten chick peas, black beans, kidney beans, wasabi peas, broccoli, and hard boiled eggs. But I will hold all the farts in.
Then when I die, everyone gathered around will suffer one final massive mega-fart. And I guarantee that fart will be around for a while after I’m dead.Lol. Often when I awake to my fart-filled room I think how happy I am to be alone.
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