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Anonymous38You are a single point of awareness, part of a larger whole. A drop of water IS the ocean. It might think itself a separate being (the ego), but this does not change REALITY which is it is part of the ocean and therefore IS the ocean.
The sooner you understand we live in a non-dualistic reality you can go about life in a much more peaceful way. What are you fighting for, who are you fighting against?
No living thing is separate from any other. It is all part of the same thing. The human body is made up of trillions of cells and organs. The grass, a tree and the sky are ‘separate’ because we gave them names. But they are the same thing, really. Remove one and the others fail.
If you can understand that, you can understand that we too are not separate from anyone else. Once you internalise that and LIVE it, all your ‘problems’ will evaporate.
You are the world/the universe. The world IS you.
Becoming sick out of spite for the sickness of others is futile. It won’t change a thing, it won’t bring back ‘the good ol’ days’ where men and women ‘loved and respected each other’.
Careful your chosen philosophy isn’t doing you more harm than good.
I no longer look upon strangers as enemies. Yes, I’m cautious when I have to be, but fear is gone. Replaced with love for that which is just another part of me.
Death? Why would I be scared by it. I live each day fully, therefore am prepared to die when my time comes.
If you are clinging to life then you are afraid of death. And the fear of death follows the fear of life.
Ironic isn’t it? Clinging to life yet being afraid to live. I love a paradox.
Too long, too profound, too hard.
STOP GIVING A F~~~.
afraid of living? What does that even means?
Is there a way to live? A criminal, a monk, a bum, a bussiness man, mike tyson, bill gates, it will mean s~~~ when they die and i p~~~ on their grave.
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
It isnt true that life is all interconected.
Tell me of one species that wold suffer without humans.
Just one, no especies on this planet need humans to survive, NONE.
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
You are a single point of awareness, part of a larger whole. A drop of water IS the ocean. It might think itself a separate being (the ego), but this does not change REALITY which is it is part of the ocean and therefore IS the ocean.
The sooner you understand we live in a non-dualistic reality you can go about life in a much more peaceful way. What are you fighting for, who are you fighting against?
No living thing is separate from any other. It is all part of the same thing. The human body is made up of trillions of cells and organs. The grass, a tree and the sky are ‘separate’ because we gave them names. But they are the same thing, really. Remove one and the others fail.
If you can understand that, you can understand that we too are not separate from anyone else. Once you internalise that and LIVE it, all your ‘problems’ will evaporate.
You are the world/the universe. The world IS you.
Becoming sick out of spite for the sickness of others is futile. It won’t change a thing, it won’t bring back ‘the good ol’ days’ where men and women ‘loved and respected each other’.
Careful your chosen philosophy isn’t doing you more harm than good.
I no longer look upon strangers as enemies. Yes, I’m cautious when I have to be, but fear is gone. Replaced with love for that which is just another part of me.
Death? Why would I be scared by it. I live each day fully, therefore am prepared to die when my time comes.
If you are clinging to life then you are afraid of death. And the fear of death follows the fear of life.
Ironic isn’t it? Clinging to life yet being afraid to live. I love a paradox.I don’t understand why anyone would be afraid to die. It is an inevitability. It happens to everyone and everything that lives. It has happened to millions of people. It will happen to you. It will happen to me. I don’t have a death wish, but I believe that once you die, your problems are over. You’ve lived your life. I want to see what is beyond this existence. Even if I didn’t believe in God and an afterlife, this Universe is to complex for me to believe in just one plane of existence. There is more out there, more beyond this physical life.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Life is an illusion, and so is consciousness, and the idea of self. They are just emergent phenomena associated with the more complex arrangement of atoms. It is all just interpretation by ego-constrained, mammal brains.
All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.
Anonymous38Too long, too profound, too hard.
STOP GIVING A F~~~.
afraid of living? What does that even means?
Is there a way to live? A criminal, a monk, a bum, a bussiness man, mike tyson, bill gates, it will mean s~~~ when they die and i p~~~ on their grave.It’s incredibly simple. It is your own meanderings that are overly complicated. You separate yourself from all others unnecessarily. When you realise we’re all part of the same ‘thing’, you’d drop all those fictions you cling to. Pretending you don’t give a f~~~, lol. You’re fooling no one!
You are a single point of awareness, part of a larger whole. A drop of water IS the ocean. It might think itself a separate being (the ego), but this does not change REALITY which is it is part of the ocean and therefore IS the ocean.
Total nonsense. ‘Parts’ of a ‘whole’ do not equal the whole. It’s the very reason the two have different definitions.
Your water/ocean example is one where all the parts within the whole are identical (which would not fully apply to humans, but anyway). In this case, it’s clear that the properties of a drop of water is different than that of an ocean. A drop of water cannot sustain life on the same scale of an ocean. It cannot harness force on the same same level of an ocean, nor subject to the effect of the moon and such. A drop of water cannot destroy life like an ocean can. It is true that a drop of water has a role, perhaps a responsibility of what an ocean does, but when you remove a drop of water from the ocean, it has no role in what an ocean does, nor the same capabilities.
But humans are not identical with the same capabilities. It is more like the parts of an automobile, or to stick with water, the parts of water. Water is hydrogen bonded with oxygen. By your proposal, there would be no difference between hydrogen, oxygen, and water. Humans should be able to breath hydrogen and water, which is of course, utter nonsense. It’s absolutely true that hydrogen and oxygen have a role, perhaps responsibility of what water is and does, but they are not the same. And again, when hydrogen is separated from water, it’s got vastly different properties. In this case as well, water isn’t water anymore, it’s “O2”.
I get your point to an extent, how humans in society have a role/responsibility in society. However, I’d say it’s a very principle of MGTOW that when a man removes himself from the bonds of society, his properties, his abilities change. He is not responsible for what society is and what it does, and has the freedom to chose his own path.
Ok. Then do it.
Anonymous38It isnt true that life is all interconected.
Tell me of one species that wold suffer without humans.
Just one, no especies on this planet need humans to survive, NONE.If all humans died, lots of species would be affected. Some would die off, some would rise.
Life would go on. It is probably analogous to a body losing some skin cells. New life grows in place.
Keeping the same analogy one could say the heart is like the sun. Lose that and the body(life) dies.
Anonymous38You are a single point of awareness, part of a larger whole. A drop of water IS the ocean. It might think itself a separate being (the ego), but this does not change REALITY which is it is part of the ocean and therefore IS the ocean.
Total nonsense. ‘Parts’ of a ‘whole’ do not equal the whole. It’s the very reason the two have different definitions.
Your water/ocean example is one where all the parts within the whole are identical (which would not fully apply to humans, but anyway). In this case, it’s clear that the properties of a drop of water is different than that of an ocean. A drop of water cannot sustain life on the same scale of an ocean. It cannot harness force on the same same level of an ocean, nor subject to the effect of the moon and such. A drop of water cannot destroy life like an ocean can. It is true that a drop of water has a role, perhaps a responsibility of what an ocean does, but when you remove a drop of water from the ocean, it has no role in what an ocean does, nor the same capabilities.
But humans are not identical with the same capabilities. It is more like the parts of an automobile, or to stick with water, the parts of water. Water is hydrogen bonded with oxygen. By your proposal, there would be no difference between hydrogen, oxygen, and water. Humans should be able to breath hydrogen and water, which is of course, utter nonsense. It’s absolutely true that hydrogen and oxygen have a role, perhaps responsibility of what water is and does, but they are not the same. And again, when hydrogen is separated from water, it’s got vastly different properties. In this case as well, water isn’t water anymore, it’s “O2”.
I get your point to an extent, how humans in society have a role/responsibility in society. However, I’d say it’s a very principle of MGTOW that when a man removes himself from the bonds of society, his properties, his abilities change. He is not responsible for what society is and what it does, and has the freedom to chose his own path.The ‘ocean’ is a human-defined name for lots of water droplets together. So yes, a drop of water in the ocean IS the ocean. The ocean IS lots of water droplets.
You are overcomplicating it. Of course, a water drop by itself doesn’t ‘do’ the same things as an ‘ocean’ does. But that just shows you’re not getting my point. Trillions of droplets put together can support more life, can ‘do’ more. But the ocean’s ‘cells’ are what make it up at a much lower level.
A skin cell is the human body. A bone is the human body. They are only separate because we gave them names. The greater manifestation, i.e. a living being, relies on the smaller cells working together. Just like the ocean.
Our planet, our universe etc, is a single ‘being’, ‘body’, and all life forms are its smaller parts/cells. This makes total sense when you look at how all other bodies, beings, systems etc behave.
It is the belief in duality that brings all the problems of the world.
Anonymous38I don’t understand why anyone would be afraid to die.
Unenlightened people cling to life because they are stuck in a dualistic ego-centric mindset. They suffer, and unhappy people fear much. Happy, enlightened people don’t fear death because they are happy.
“Even drinking poison, our mind is quiet”
You are a single point of awareness, part of a larger whole. A drop of water IS the ocean. It might think itself a separate being (the ego), but this does not change REALITY which is it is part of the ocean and therefore IS the ocean.The sooner you understand we live in a non-dualistic reality you can go about life in a much more peaceful way. What are you fighting for, who are you fighting against?No living thing is separate from any other. It is all part of the same thing. The human body is made up of trillions of cells and organs. The grass, a tree and the sky are ‘separate’ because we gave them names. But they are the same thing, really. Remove one and the others fail.If you can understand that, you can understand that we too are not separate from anyone else. Once you internalise that and LIVE it, all your ‘problems’ will evaporate.You are the world/the universe. The world IS you.Becoming sick out of spite for the sickness of others is futile. It won’t change a thing, it won’t bring back ‘the good ol’ days’ where men and women ‘loved and respected each other’.Careful your chosen philosophy isn’t doing you more harm than good.I no longer look upon strangers as enemies. Yes, I’m cautious when I have to be, but fear is gone. Replaced with love for that which is just another part of me.Death? Why would I be scared by it. I live each day fully, therefore am prepared to die when my time comes.If you are clinging to life then you are afraid of death. And the fear of death follows the fear of life.Ironic isn’t it? Clinging to life yet being afraid to live. I love a paradox.
I don’t understand why anyone would be afraid to die. It is an inevitability. It happens to everyone and everything that lives. It has happened to millions of people. It will happen to you. It will happen to me. I don’t have a death wish, but I believe that once you die, your problems are over. You’ve lived your life. I want to see what is beyond this existence. Even if I didn’t believe in God and an afterlife, this Universe is to complex for me to believe in just one plane of existence. There is more out there, more beyond this physical life.
Because people are afraid of the unknown, and even more afraid of what they can’t explain.
"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
I don’t understand why anyone would be afraid to die.
Unenlightened people cling to life because they are stuck in a dualistic ego-centric mindset. They suffer, and unhappy people fear much. Happy, enlightened people don’t fear death because they are happy.
“Even drinking poison, our mind is quiet”I can’t remember ever fearing death. It’s a natural process of life. Again, I don’t have a death wish, but I sometimes look forward to death because who wants to live forever in this world the way it is? Living is sometimes difficult. Dying is the easy way out.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
You are a single point of awareness, part of a larger whole. A drop of water IS the ocean. It might think itself a separate being (the ego), but this does not change REALITY which is it is part of the ocean and therefore IS the ocean.The sooner you understand we live in a non-dualistic reality you can go about life in a much more peaceful way. What are you fighting for, who are you fighting against?No living thing is separate from any other. It is all part of the same thing. The human body is made up of trillions of cells and organs. The grass, a tree and the sky are ‘separate’ because we gave them names. But they are the same thing, really. Remove one and the others fail.If you can understand that, you can understand that we too are not separate from anyone else. Once you internalise that and LIVE it, all your ‘problems’ will evaporate.You are the world/the universe. The world IS you.Becoming sick out of spite for the sickness of others is futile. It won’t change a thing, it won’t bring back ‘the good ol’ days’ where men and women ‘loved and respected each other’.Careful your chosen philosophy isn’t doing you more harm than good.I no longer look upon strangers as enemies. Yes, I’m cautious when I have to be, but fear is gone. Replaced with love for that which is just another part of me.Death? Why would I be scared by it. I live each day fully, therefore am prepared to die when my time comes.If you are clinging to life then you are afraid of death. And the fear of death follows the fear of life.Ironic isn’t it? Clinging to life yet being afraid to live. I love a paradox.
I don’t understand why anyone would be afraid to die. It is an inevitability. It happens to everyone and everything that lives. It has happened to millions of people. It will happen to you. It will happen to me. I don’t have a death wish, but I believe that once you die, your problems are over. You’ve lived your life. I want to see what is beyond this existence. Even if I didn’t believe in God and an afterlife, this Universe is to complex for me to believe in just one plane of existence. There is more out there, more beyond this physical life.
Because people are afraid of the unknown, and even more afraid of what they can’t explain.
The older I get, the easier it is to accept certain things, because I can’t change them so why worry about them? I’m not exactly sure what is beyond death, but I’ve done what I believe I’ve needed to do to make that existence good.
When I was younger, going through what I believed was turmoil, I used to wish I had not been born; wish I did not exist. Now I can look back and see how ridiculous that was. We should appreciate our lives and be glad that we have the opportunity to experience this life and appreciate what we have. Sometimes life is hard and not fair, but we’re here so we may as well make the best of it and enjoy the good times when we can.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
I don’t understand why anyone would be afraid to die.
Unenlightened people cling to life because they are stuck in a dualistic ego-centric mindset. They suffer, and unhappy people fear much. Happy, enlightened people don’t fear death because they are happy.“Even drinking poison, our mind is quiet”
I can’t remember ever fearing death. It’s a natural process of life. Again, I don’t have a death wish, but I sometimes look forward to death because who wants to live forever in this world the way it is? Living is sometimes difficult. Dying is the easy way out.
The only problem with dying, is that if you die without fulfilling your wishes, it is a stupid death. The old servants of the old Shoguns, specially those attached to the court of Tokugawa-sama, where he himself said that “one dying without fulfilling his full potential, has died a dog’s death” (a meaningless death).
There is no problem in dying. In fact, dying solves all of your problems, but dying without being a useful death? Have you lived your life to the fullest? If not, why not? Why would you want to die, without having ever tried the taste of true living?
Makes no sense, right?"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
The ‘ocean’ is a human-defined name for lots of water droplets together.
Agreed. An absolutely necessary definition since it’s more to have a distinction between an ocean a water droplet. Really beyond that, a lake, a rover, a sea,, rain, a creek, a gallon, are definitions to describe of water that are necessary because they suggest different things about the amount of water, where it’s located, what it’s properties are, and so on. Humans make up words so they can more accurately communicate with one another, about the world around them among other things.
So yes, a drop of water in the ocean IS the ocean.
Of course, a water drop by itself doesn’t ‘do’ the same things as an ‘ocean’ does.
Perhaps we don’t have the same understanding of what the word “IS” means?
A skin cell is the human body. A bone is the human body. They are only separate because we gave them names.
No, they are separated, because although they can be parts of a human body they are not the same thing and thus need different names to properly describe them. And you can remove skin cells and bones from a human body and that human body is still a human body. When you do that, you can’t accurately claim that the skin cells are a human body, or that the removed bone is a human body.
Our planet, our universe etc, is a single ‘being’, ‘body’, and all life forms are its smaller parts/cells. This makes total sense when you look at how all other bodies, beings, systems etc behave.
They are single entities made up of parts, yes. And the parts within these interact with each other, absolutely. They are a system. They are cases where removing parts of a system fundamentally changes what that system, or entity is. There are cases where removing a part doesn’t really impact the system at all.
If your goal is to illustrate that a whole is the sum of it’s parts, and that parts interact with each other, then yes. That doesn’t add to up saying that the whole = the part, that they are the same and not distinguishable from each other in any way. It feels like you’re trying to get a point across about how things are related to each other, but using the word “IS” to do so doesn’t really cut it well, as “IS” is suppose to designate absolutely equivalency, not how things are related. Perhaps the English language doesn’t have the word your looking for.
Ok. Then do it.
Perhaps the English language doesn’t have the word your looking for.
To be honest, it is the western thinking that has not “the word” for MGTaoist’s way of thought.
And the droplet is the ocean, but not in the way you think it is, the scientifical way.
"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
The only problem with dying, is that if you die without fulfilling your wishes, it is a stupid death. The old servants of the old Shoguns, specially those attached to the court of Tokugawa-sama, where he himself said that “one dying without fulfilling his full potential, has died a dog’s death” (a meaningless death).
There is no problem in dying. In fact, dying solves all of your problems, but dying without being a useful death? Have you lived your life to the fullest? If not, why not? Why would you want to die, without having ever tried the taste of true living?
Makes no sense, right?It depends on how you view the value of life and the after-life, if there is such thing. If you take the attitude that there is no after-life, and your own emotions and the quality of life and others is meaningless, just a part of the meaningless drama of the universe, then there really shouldn’t be anything lost in death.
If you believe in an after-life, than life only really has value in terms of meeting the requirements for entering the after-life. Once those requirements are met, death should actually be welcomed. In terms of eternity, ‘life’ is only a small spec of time.
But very few people seem to see it either of these ways. We tend to think life has meaning, without really having an explanation why we think that. We tend to think that how are death impacts others matters, even though we don’t know that we will have a consciousness to know what that is, or if we do, that it would even still matter to us. We are afraid of not fulfilling and experiencing what life has to offer, with knowing that we will remember life after death, or that life after death isn’t multitudes more fulfilling than anything we experience in life.
I’m not even sure we could comprehend if we didn’t have knowledge of these things. As a random example, if life after death is a consciousness in which we no longer feel sorrow, anger or anything like that, only joy then we would then not be able to remember are past lives since that would surely require feeling regret. We would not likely even know what is going on in current life for the things that used to matter to us. For something to matter to us, we necessarily be capable of experiencing negative emotions.
And I get that this is perhaps the point of this thread. Life and death are necessary parts of the same thing, as one cannot be defined without the existence of the other.
Ok. Then do it.
To be honest, it is the western thinking that has not “the word” for MGTaoist’s way of thought.
And the droplet is the ocean, but not in the way you think it is, the scientifical way.“is” means “the same”, “equality”. If everything is the same then that would mean that MGTaosit is narhwal, and there would be no point in this conversation because I would be speaking to myself…or he would be speaking to himself. Something like that. We (I?) would be in agreement about this point.
Ok. Then do it.
It isnt true that life is all interconected.Tell me of one species that wold suffer without humans.Just one, no especies on this planet need humans to survive, NONE.
If all humans died, lots of species would be affected. Some would die off, some would rise.
Life would go on. It is probably analogous to a body losing some skin cells. New life grows in place.
Keeping the same analogy one could say the heart is like the sun. Lose that and the body(life) dies.Tell me what especies is that?
There ia not one single organism on this planet that needs humans to survive, NONE, best we can do is virus like HIV, and it existed long before it jumped to humans.
Toxoplasma needs rats, the frogs need insects, insects need flowers, there is not one single species that predates humans, none, CERO, the planet might be a single cell, a living organism, all are needed to keep balance, HUMANS ARE NOT PART OF THAT ECUATION.
tell me 1 organism that need humans to survive, just one, one, just one, dont give budda crap, i eat that for breakfast, i want ONE ORGANISM THAT NEED HUMANS TO SURVIVE.
anyone, there is a lot of smart men in here, i challenge all of you to tell me ONE.
the problem is our ego, we humans wanna be included, we believe we are important and the center of the universe, but we are not, we are not even needed in this planet, in fact we are a desease, dont get me wrong im cool with that, but that is the truth, we are an utter f~~~ up.
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
The only problem with dying, is that if you die without fulfilling your wishes, it is a stupid death. The old servants of the old Shoguns, specially those attached to the court of Tokugawa-sama, where he himself said that “one dying without fulfilling his full potential, has died a dog’s death” (a meaningless death).There is no problem in dying. In fact, dying solves all of your problems, but dying without being a useful death? Have you lived your life to the fullest? If not, why not? Why would you want to die, without having ever tried the taste of true living?Makes no sense, right?
It depends on how you view the value of life and the after-life, if there is such thing. If you take the attitude that there is no after-life, and your own emotions and the quality of life and others is meaningless, just a part of the meaningless drama of the universe, then there really shouldn’t be anything lost in death.
If you believe in an after-life, than life only really has value in terms of meeting the requirements for entering the after-life. Once those requirements are met, death should actually be welcomed. In terms of eternity, ‘life’ is only a small spec of time.
But very few people seem to see it either of these ways. We tend to think life has meaning, without really having an explanation why we think that. We tend to think that how are death impacts others matters, even though we don’t know that we will have a consciousness to know what that is, or if we do, that it would even still matter to us. We are afraid of not fulfilling and experiencing what life has to offer, with knowing that we will remember life after death, or that life after death isn’t multitudes more fulfilling than anything we experience in life.
I’m not even sure we could comprehend if we didn’t have knowledge of these things. As a random example, if life after death is a consciousness in which we no longer feel sorrow, anger or anything like that, only joy then we would then not be able to remember are past lives since that would surely require feeling regret. We would not likely even know what is going on in current life for the things that used to matter to us. For something to matter to us, we necessarily be capable of experiencing negative emotions.
And I get that this is perhaps the point of this thread. Life and death are necessary parts of the same thing, as one cannot be defined without the existence of the other.After-life or no after-life is not the point. The point is that dying while you have not done the things you want to do, you have died in vain, don’t you agree?
Why should I believe in after-life, more so why should I live my life in “preparation” for the after-life? It makes no sense.
I live my life the way I think it should be lived, after-life or not, and I couldn’t care less about if I’ve reaped “good karma” or not. What is karma, anyway?Also, why should I fear death, or even fear dying while not having lied life to the fullest, because I may or may not “remember” it in the after-life? This thinking is not only wrong, it is also disturbing, to be honest, because you are placing value in something as shifting as quicksand. I dont want to life an unfulfiling life, which I deemed good enough on my terms. Which is why I don’t want to die a vain death. No mysticism on it, just plain old want.
Life has meaning, the meaning is what you want it to be, be it good or bad.
The point of the post is that we think too much and do too little. Life is made to be lived, not thought out. It is an open invite to DO MORE with your life, instead of thinking about it.
"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
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