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Have you ever been talking to friends and family, and the subject of your dissatisfaction with women, societal expectations, and the like, comes up, and they’ve responded: “That doesn’t sound right at all. That doesn’t describe my interactions or perceptions of woman at all. I’ve never met women who act like that, and if there are women like that they’re definitely the minority. There are plenty of people who carry on satisfying and fulfilling relationships with women all the time.”
The implicit notion is, of course, that there must be something wrong with you.
As men, we don’t have the benefit (or the curse, perhaps?) of SJWs running to our rescue, crying: “Don’t invalidate their experiences!”
Thoughts? Are your experiences invalid because the majority of people don’t share them? I don’t want to jump to the “hurr, hurr, still plugged in” notion, ’cause that just seems silly and dismissive.
". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée
Are your experiences invalid because the majority of people don’t share them?
A straight up answer is F~~~ NO my experiences aren’t invalid because the majority doesn’t share them.
The truth is that the, ahem, “Majority” is composed of people with their own opinions that are based upon their own observation and experience. Weather they are being honest about their opinions, their observations, their experiences will never be truly known. The only way you are going to get the truth out of someone is if you strap them to a lie detector test, develop telepathy pills, or slowly interrogate them over a period of days. None of these options are cost and time effective when trying to get someone to step outside of the matrix or at least objectively appreciate your position. It would take too much time and there are other, more productive things to do with my life.
So is everyone that is voicing their opinions being truthful with you? Let alone themselves?
I have a favorite quote that I think about when thinking or discussing the opinions of others.
“I used to care what people thought about me, until one day, I tried paying my bills with their opinions”.
"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.
Thoughts? Are your experiences invalid because the majority of people don’t share them?
My brother had 3 major girlfriends in his life and married the 3rd. He once told me of a one night stand and a drunken lay in university. That was the extent of his “experiences”. I also think he MAY have had an affair with a teacher of his. I’m serious. I actually knew her and she came to our house for dinner. But I don’t know for sure. She was married.
He lived at home until he was 25…. then moved in with #3… then married her ……. and STILL lives a 5 minute drive away from my Mother in the same town he was born in. Has been married for 17 years and has been a father for 12.
My first job was in Amsterdam at 17….. lived in 6 cities internationally, and crossed the world for a living and set foot on every continent except Antarctica.
POLAR OPPOSITE lives , careers, and experiences.
He could look me in the face and say with absolute conviction: “That doesn’t sound right at all. That doesn’t describe my interactions or perceptions of woman at all. I’ve never met women who act like that, and if there are women like that they’re definitely the minority. ”
I’m not going even BOTHER pulling out my notch counts in response to that.
Because I don’t need to.His own wife talks to me in exactly the same bossy know-it-all tone.. except she gets away with it with him. It was once so bad, that I had to tell her “Look. I’m not your husband. I don’t have to listen to you”. Same woman. Both brothers. She actually alienated us for 4 years and we didn’t speak — even at Christmas. For four years.
“Your experiences are invalid. I never met a woman who acts like that.”.
“You LIVE WITH a woman acts like that for 17 years — and don’t even realize it!!.”
She could ask him to cluck and lay an egg….. and he would squat and ask “what color”?
You don’t need the “personal experience”…………
just like you don’t need to personally murder someone to know that it’s wrong.It doesn’t have to personally happen to you. You just have to be willing to see it.
I didn’t need to “experience” living with his wife to know that she’s a controlling, manipulative c~~~.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
Anonymous18I consider mgtow philosophy to be equivalent to aerospace design and engineering caliber. You don’t come here and grasp it just because….
One could observe and still believe reality is what people say and act like on the surface.
In truth however reality isn’t really a consensus.
TV and newspapers act like morality and our universe has some consensus. And people follow.
We push against gynocentrism, at least in discussions, to realize the resistance.
I read it here and I will repeat for emphasis – if you don’t move you don’t become aware of the chains.
It’s not that different from saying ‘In my experience there isn’t any light because I have had my eyes closed all this time”.
Stealth brother. There is virtually no reason you should be even attempting to redirect that herd. I see mgtow as a mountain that gives me a better view of the predator-prey relation where the predator is protected. For easy kills.
“That doesn’t sound right at all.
The give away is in the statement “that doesn’t sound right”. You could stop them right there.
You could absolutely BE right…… but to them….. they try to discredit just because it doesn’t SOUND right.
The idea of “marriage”…….. sounds good.
But idea of “a marriage contract”….. doesn’t sound good anymore.Whenever anyone uses the word “marriage” in a sentence…..
replace it with “marriage contract” and it doesn’t sound right anymore to those people.Detractors actually begin shaming tactics that way:
• “sounds like you’re not getting laid”.
• “you seem angry” (or “you sound angry”.)
• “you sound bitter”.
• “Sounds like no woman would date you”
• “you probably live in your mothers basement”( ….. when it’s my married brother who lives closer to my mothers basement than I ever have. )
It’s all just perception, and not about what’s actually — and really — going on.
Also,. when you discuss your experiences, there is no acknowledgement of them. Like when I would point out a hot sports car to my Mom and I might say “wow look at that car!!!”…… she would always reply with “Well I like my little Toyota. It gets me from A to B”. But I wasn’t talking about her s~~~ty little Toyota. I was talking about that awesome f~~~ing Berlinetta. Something she knows nothing about… but she deflected the conversation back to HER and her s~~~ty rationalizations for driving a 12 year old rusted s~~~box Tercel. “Those sports cars….. all that money and only two seats!!”.
F~~~.
You can’t talk to these people. They are GONE. They are not even there with you.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Have you ever been talking to friends and family, and the subject of your dissatisfaction with women, societal expectations, and the like, comes up, and they’ve responded: “That doesn’t sound right at all. That doesn’t describe my interactions or perceptions of woman at all. I’ve never met women who act like that, and if there are women like that they’re definitely the minority. There are plenty of people who carry on satisfying and fulfilling relationships with women all the time.”
All the damn time. Both the women and the men. And then after they demean and insult me, by stating they feel my experiences are invalid, they try to use me as their emotional tampon.
Anonymous5You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.
Cognitive dissonance allowed all of us to ignore the same reality despite the overwhelming evidence we experienced to the contrary in every facet of our lives.
We’re indoctrinated from the cradle and that indoctrination is reinforced constantly from every person and every type of mass media.It’s a f~~~ing miracle any of us have seen past the illusion.
Don’t be too disheartened dealing with people still entrenched in conventional adoration of womanhood, we were just the same.
How many times did men speak up about c~~~s and their Misandry and we instantly labelled it as dysfunctional and Misogyny.It’s their business and their problem.
You can only help people who are trying to help themselves.
If someone seems to be thinking and talking Red Pills you can assist but that’s all.
Don’t ever try converting true believers.Are your experiences invalid because the majority of people don’t share them?
No. That’s just people being willfully ignorant. That’s like someone who lived in war torn country and says:
“Yeah, we were always careful to walk on flat grassy areas because there were land mines there, and I blew my leg off.”
And then the idiots say:
“No no no, that’s never happened to me, therefore it can’t happen”A great way of putting it that isn’t dismissive is by saying : Just because it isn’t in your particular frame of reference(The tiny lens that you see the world through) doesn’t mean it’s not real, or that it doesn’t happen, and their perspectives are not axiomatic and representative of everyone’s experience.
Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.
Some guys are just submissive for whatever reason… Stockholm syndrome or something..
The way I deal with it now is I don’t complain about women at all, nor do I try to explain red pill logic to females or mangina’s.
I just tell them I’m happier being single. I only talk about positive things. I keep the negatives to myself.
Positive things include more freedom, time, money, energy. Huge competitive advantage. Projects more interesting. Etc etc.
By keeping things positive and happy, that’s how you win. These crazy feminists hate seeing a happy single man with resources. It really irks them.
When you talk about negative experiences, it makes your MGTOW life seem negative. I keep things light and upbeat. The smile on my face and my relaxed demeanor says everything…
I’m not anti-women. I’m just pro-me
Not my property... Not my problem
“That doesn’t sound right at all.
The give away is in the statement “that doesn’t sound right”. You could stop them right there.
You could absolutely BE right…… but to them….. they try to discredit just because it doesn’t SOUND right.
The idea of “marriage”…….. sounds good.
But idea of “a marriage contract”….. doesn’t sound good anymore.Whenever anyone uses the word “marriage” in a sentence…..
replace it with “marriage contract” and it doesn’t sound right anymore to those people.Detractors actually begin shaming tactics that way:
• “sounds like you’re not getting laid”.
• “you seem angry” (or “you sound angry”.)
• “you sound bitter”.
• “Sounds like no woman would date you”
• “you probably live in your mothers basement”( ….. when it’s my married brother who lives closer to my mothers basement than I ever have. )
It’s all just perception, and not about what’s actually — and really — going on.
Also,. when you discuss your experiences, there is no acknowledgement of them. Like when I would point out a hot sports car to my Mom and I might say “wow look at that car!!!”…… she would always reply with “Well I like my little Toyota. It gets me from A to B”. But I wasn’t talking about her s~~~ty little Toyota. I was talking about that awesome f~~~ing Berlinetta. Something she knows nothing about… but she deflected the conversation back to HER and her s~~~ty rationalizations for driving a 12 year old rusted s~~~box Tercel. “Those sports cars….. all that money and only two seats!!”.
F~~~.
You can’t talk to these people. They are GONE. They are not even there with you.
I’ve always gotten responses while debating feminists in chatrooms and on Youtube those same f~~~ing lame as scripts.
I just agree with them and say “Yep, I live with my parents, I’m fat, ugly, and bald. And live in my mom’s basement.” “I also can’t get laid.”
After I agree with them, they know they can’t use shaming tactics on me and either try to change the topic or go on about magical “NAWALT unicorns.” Because they have nothing else to use.
I see this as all tied in with red pill analogy. When a person is faith with a true statement that is different then what they currently believe, they are tasked with 2 problems. One, is they need to evaluate whether or not the statement is true or not. Does it fit within their own experiences and knowledge of the world? Is the logic sound? Does the person delivering this message have an ulterior motive? And that’s really the easier part.
The 2nd problem is the more difficult one. How does this change my world? When it comes to MGTOW truth, it can often be the equivalent of dropping a nuclear bomb on everything you hold dear. You can’t pretend your wife loves you and would never leave you. You can’t pretend that your the white knight hero anymore. You can’t accept that your mom actually drove your Dad away, it wasn’t just that he was a selfish bastard. Your boss at work actually is the bitch you thought you might have seen glimpses of. You will never rescue the princess, because she’s actually a witch in a pink dress.
So when your brain is hit with a bomb like that, you’re going to back and re-evaluate problem 1….and find some truthiness. My history, doesn’t match that (even if it does) so it can’t be true. The messenger has ulterior motives, he can’t get laid. Maybe this is happens to some , but will never happen to me. Whatever it takes to avoid the bomb.
And then you go back to your day in the matrix.
I’ll be 100% honest, For most of my life, I would never except that marriage was a shame, that the women I dated were really looking at my resources and not me. My world would have been destroyed. It took the destruction of my world through divorce for me to seriously consider the truth. In many ways, seeing the truth help alleviate the pain.
So in short, “your experiences are invalid” are a defense mechanism. In that regard, I’d say it’s a healthy one. Probably something we should leave alone and move on.
Ok. Then do it.
Why do I feel like the last capitalist on a communist planet of politically correct tv brainwashed women and their mangina robots?
Because it’s true. Well, not totally true. Strictly speaking, there are lots of MGTOW, but there are lots more of the brainwashed drones.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
It’s times like these that the matrix system scene, works so perfectly.
Does the job. they have been grown to be submissive drones, and to defend the very system, which enslaves them, as they don’t know any better, and most likely does not even live their own lives either, since they likely are told what to buy, and what to strive to… buy again or get.
Have been around the theme a few years ago, with the family, as they would question one’s rejection to “settle down”, as I simply had no interesting in dating any more. Logic doesn’t work here, because they have to sell you the same fantasy, they were sold(cheated) into, yet they demand for you to share their anguish, as well, because those who suffers, can only keep living on, if they bring more into the pits of suffering.
My experiences are valid to no one but myself.
Anonymous5Sheeple, I feel like the planet is in quarantine. I often look at people who reply in such a manner – and just leave them be. (When it comes to family) sad to say I can say in my meld with heavy “society norm areas” like work I make sure to lie alot cause the truth hurts. (Be stealthy)
… but she deflected the conversation back to HER
I personally view this as “conversational judo”. Just attention seeking behavior.
Everything revolves around her.
All conversation revolves around her.And KM- you are right. You can’t have a conversation with these people. They don’t listen and don’t want to listen.
With these people just smile and move onAre your experiences invalid because the majority of people don’t share them? I don’t want to jump to the “hurr, hurr, still plugged in” notion, ’cause that just seems silly and dismissive.
Right. Most personal experience is by definition anecdotal, because either the sample size is too small (n < 25-30), and almost certainly because of selection bias.
The problem is, in these Soviet United States and Soviet European Union, and Sex Robot Japan, that the media and academia are completely and totally religious (feminism being a religion), so we’re not going to get many accurate statistics out of them (for example, whether Spain and Italy’s replacement rate is under .8 or not, or whether everything is just fine even though all the young people seem to have been eaten at night by Godzilla).
We must therefore move past mere science to logic and philosophy to understand our universe in times like these. I am sufficiently skeptical of “social science” (contemporary non-Austrian economics being pure and absolute bulls~~~) so as to believe that logic and philosophy are generally more useful in understanding human issues in any situation.
As KM is fond of saying, all statements (including this one) are generalizations, because the exceptions are irrelevant for most practical purposes. I’m in my mid-40s, my notch count is in the 20s, and I practiced serial monogamy from the time I was 17 until I was 43 or 44. My experience matches the experience of every single male I know under the age of 6X, and if we except my Protestant Priest who married a small town girl, every single male I know under the age of 70. I’ve travelled somewhat widely, and have lived in a few places in the States. I have also talked and chatted with hundreds if not thousands of men around the world in various chat rooms and forums, mostly for gaming, politics, and rpgs.
While my selection may have been somehow magically biased, I don’t think so. I suppose I have limited myself to persons who speak either English or French, but my sample size (n > 500?) seems reasonable, and my experiences seem, now that I am investigating it, fairly universal.
It is very difficult to prove a negative. No, I can’t prove that literally NAWALT, but for practical purposes, who gives a s~~~? If .0001% of the population is AWALT, I can as an economist and quite skilled accountant guarantee that these women, if they are ever on the market, are on the market so briefly as to be irrelevant.
One of the most fascinating experiences in my life was with a buddy in Central NH. Mennonite communities abound, and we got to watch a Mennonite girl – bonnet and all – act like a complete and total c~~~ to her family? boyfriend? brother? at an ice cream parlor. It was chilling, but shouldn’t have been. One internet, one monolithic MSM, one altar of feminism that we’re destroying civilization upon.
My experiences, the experiences of friends and acquaintances, and what I read and watch form my reality. It would be insane to think otherwise. Given the manginas and blue-pill men out there (and myself, a mere year ago) who twist and contort their experiences to fit their religion of feminism, I am going to get people who prefer to argue against reality to conform to their theories. This is madness.
Your experiences are completely valid, and by being here you are investigating further these areas through the experience, strength, and hope of others. The people who are arguing against your experiences, family or no, are trying to sell you something – at the least, their worldview.
To be more precise, your experiences are completely valid. What you and your family are disputing is the interpretation of your experiences. You feel your experiences are normative, and interpret them as such, particularly given the experiences of your friends and acquaintances. Your family feels your experiences are abnormal, and that most relationships today are as awesome as they ever were. I would point out the large acknowledged divorce rate, plummeting birth rates, and hordes of single mother vampires as rebuttal to their intepretation.
"You can either love women, or understand women. You can't do both. Because once you understand women, you realize that there is really nothing to love."
Nobody wants to believe the ugly truth, just giving it some thought is enough to make men puke and feel disoriented and like one’s own life and everything one believes is a lie. I’ve seriously lost weight since coming to the realization.
Whenever I mention some of the things I understand now people just write it off as, “well he just out of a divorce and got screwed over by his exwife, don’t pay him any real mind. He’s just upset still.” Very few ever want to consider the ugly truth…Many would rather pretend it’s just like the movies or misconceptions in their head.
The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity. --Einstein
Yup, i get this all the time.
People are just so f~~~ing blue pill that they flat out refuse to see the truth.
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