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I tell younger guys all the time: You have to run your own business. Nobody ever made money working for someone else.
Not really…I work for someone else(well, a publicly traded company) and earn enough to put me in the top 10% bracket for income percentiles, and already have more saved for retirement than the average 60 year old. I’d never have gotten hired with no degree and the line of work I’m in isn’t exactly something one guy could start up or run on his own, neither logistically or legally due to federally regulated staffing requirements.
I built a photography business by learning on my own(reading books, videos), after five years of growth in the business I was making $200,000 per year. I saved up my money to make a independent feature film, now I am done shooting the film, I hope to release the film in 2017. With passion, focus, persistence and hard work any thing is possible.
Ivy League maybe .. just … but the rest is just a debt scam.
It’s also man hating indoctrination.
You can have a life in that system … but you won’t live in it.
Freedom and open minded thinking are only achievable outside the hive mind.
Anonymous25This is where the micro business comes in handy.
A few hundred dollars and a good idea is all it takes to set up a business.
As men go mgtow they are going to have more money and they are going to do something with that money, even if it’s invest it or spend it on themselves. That gives us plenty of business opportunities to make all our lives better.
Jobs for the boys too. You can’t make laws to stop someone buying just from other men, too difficult to draft such a law and impossible to prove.
Distance learning degrees are the way to go too. Don’t have to put up with those crazy women then either. You can get skills from books anyway without needing a piece of paper to say you’re qualified, if you’re a micro business it’s skills and knowledge that count not qualifications.
Heres’ a recent story on ViCE
http://www.vice.com/read/student-loan-debt-is-leaving-women-broke-and-vulnerable-804
In spite of all the leg-ups, advantages, more loans, and more women in colleges….
That’s not a “win” for women.“Broke and Vulnerable” Who writes this s~~~?? This just means the gashes will look harder for some dumb ass to marry them.
More evidence to GYOW, men.When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.
I think men should go to stem fields exclusively.
All the other fields are saturated with dumb women.And yes, its sad to see another young mgtow biting the dust and having his dreams destroyed.
F~~~, as far as I am concerned college should primarily be STEM. Without innovation in STEM all this other crap in college is pointless.
STEM = Clean water, Sanitation, Food Production, Energy, Medicine, Shelter, Machines.
Where does women’s studies fit in there? …. NOWHERE. It is irrelevant. A good quarter of colleges curriculum is made easy and irrelevant, so they can reach the broadest number of wallets.It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
Its the only reason to get a degree. I’d be making 1/3 of what I currently am if this didn’t motivate me to get a degree.
OK.
The reason I believe this – and am emphatic about it – maybe because I have worked for 3 tech/development companies. The first one in 2001.
This is not bulls~~~ – at least 90% of them didn’t have a degree. And when it was my turn to start hiring there, I didn’t look for a degree either. We wanted the kind of people who stay up until 5AM to solve a problem by themselves. Huge self-motivators and creative people, who will spend 4/6/8 hours finding answers — to the point of obsession.
What we were looking for, you can’t “teach”. And nobody will give you a degree for it – because a degree in “work ethic”, “solving problems” and creative genius doesn’t exist.
How did I get that job? No resume. I produced my first website to showcase my art and sent ONE LINK in an email…. with ONE SENTENCE to go check it out. I was interviewed Friday…. started the following Monday. 3 years later I was invited to start a new branch of the company and hire the staff of 40 in a new country.
And I’m no Steve Jobs. I can promise you that.
It wasn’t riches BY FAR, but I earned more than a college grad.NO. It doesn’t work out like that for everyone, and I doubt I could duplicate it, but it was NEVER my resume that got me work. It was always …. the work.
3 weeks ago I had to implement a small solution for a big Canadian company. The woman I exchanged with to make this work had a BA in Engineering. She was a f~~~ing idiot. And LAZY.
Slow to reply. S~~~ty follow ups. Terrible communication style.
They don’t give degrees for being good at those things.I have met too many people with a “degree” who don’t even understand professionalism.
Actually it does. You naming a few extreme outliers is what doesn’t mean jack
Im not extreme case – by a long shot. 90% of those who worked there had no degree.
If worked for me. It can work for others. It’s not an “extreme” case as much as you think. In fact, when someone makes the resume THE NUMBER ONE THING, I have ZERO interest in working for them.Because they are asking all the wrong questions.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Its the only reason to get a degree. I’d be making 1/3 of what I currently am if this didn’t motivate me to get a degree.
OK.
The reason I believe this – and am emphatic about it – maybe because I have worked for 3 tech/development companies. The first one in 2001.
This is not bulls~~~ – at least 90% of them didn’t have a degree. And when it was my turn to start hiring there, I didn’t look for a degree either. We wanted the kind of people who stay up until 5AM to solve a problem by themselves. Huge self-motivators and creative people, who will spend 4/6/8 hours finding answers — to the point of obsession.
What we were looking for, you can’t “teach”. And nobody will give you a degree for it – because a degree in “work ethic”, “solving problems” and creative genius doesn’t exist.
How did I get that job? No resume. I produced my first website to showcase my art and sent ONE LINK in an email…. with ONE SENTENCE to go check it out. I was interviewed Friday…. started the following Monday. 3 years later I was invited to start a new branch of the company and hire the staff of 40 in a new country.
And I’m no Steve Jobs. I can promise you that.
NO. It doesn’t work out like that for everyone, and I doubt I could duplicate it, but it was NEVER my resume that got me work. It was always …. the work.
3 weeks ago I had to implement a small solution for a big Canadian company. The woman I exchanged with to make this work had a BA in Engineering. She was a f~~~ing idiot.
Actually it does. You naming a few extreme outliers is what doesn’t mean jack
Im not extreme case – by a long shot. 90% of those who worked there had no degree.
If worked for me. It can work for you.Maybe it is like that in the IT field, but not in the field that Beer is in. So in the end, you are both right.
"Question everything" - Albert Einstein
I guess I posted too soon because I guess keymaster changed his post before I posted.
"Question everything" - Albert Einstein
Maybe it is like that in the IT field, but not in the field that Beer is in. So in the end, you are both right.
Well I’ll take it a step further and also mention I have worked in other radically different “careers” — one of them in the travel/entertainment industry as a striped officer. NO DEGREE.
Also was a part-time private school teacher (and coach) of kids ages 6-18 and post grads for 5 years.
NO DEGREE.
No bulls~~~.I just don’t believe a degree is necessary and after working at the college for two years, my eyes were really open to it. It was complete horses~~~ being on the inside and listening to them on the phone , calling up students and suckering them into financing a piece of toilet paper for $40K a year.
It really is a “scam” to me.
Madonna doesn’t have degree in Music.
Pavarotti couldn’t even READ music.I can read music and earned a modest living teaching kids piano on weekends when I was 21 too. I took my Royal Conservatory Exam and passed with honors, but NOBODY – none of the kids parents – asked me to show it to them. It was a total non-issue.
They hired me because I could play well – understood & studied rudiments – and was great with kids and could teach them how to read music.
Neither Pavarotti – or Madonna – could get a job teaching piano.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Thanks for explaining your case more.
"Question everything" - Albert Einstein
I hope to release the film in 2017. With passion, focus, persistence and hard work any thing is possible.
Great to see @raybandaku back for a visit again!
He’s an independent film maker!Anita Sarkeesian is NOT a film maker and brings home s~~~ load$ being good for nothing at all.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I have that basic i don’t need more i have money to travel and all that i don’t want to be rich ,then all that t~~~ gonna want me
i don’t want to be rich ,then all that t~~~ gonna want me
Considering what famous, rich and powerful men have to deal with …
you , sir, just said a mouthful.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.It’s such a difficult decision to make for me, I intend to teach English as a foreign language and my choices are either:
Do a university course on the subject and also spending a year in the country I’d like to work in eventually and end up with £27k of debt (on top of the £9k I have already)
… or work in a dead end job for a while and pay for the CELTA qualification which will be £1300?
Financially, it’s obvious which is better but not only do you need a degree to work in Japan, it’s also (when you avoid the feminist harpies) a fun experience at uni.
"You can suffer from a life experience, or you can learn, move on and thrive."What we were looking for, you can’t “teach”. And nobody will give you a degree for it – because a degree in “work ethic”, “solving problems” and creative genius doesn’t exist.
Its not that I disagree with you, its that in a lot of good paying fields these days you won’t even get looked at with no degree. A degree doesn’t make you a good worker or a smart guy…but when I was job hunting most companies make you apply online and if you don’t have a relevant degree you won’t even get to the point where you even get to talk to a human being.
The job I got for example…I had to have a relevant degree or they wouldn’t even bother letting me take the pre-employment exam. If I failed the industry standardized pre-employment exam nobody in the industry would look at me…so wtf was the point of the degree if I could have passed the exam without the degree, or I was knocked out of the running for failing the exam even with a degree? Once I got the job the first year and a half was all training anyhow…so again…wtf was the point of the degree when my job now consists of continuous training and testing for as long as I’m employed?
Im not extreme case – by a long shot. 90% of those who worked there had no degree.
I wasn’t referencing you…I was talking about you naming people like Jobs or Tesla who never had college degrees but are pretty much household names.
Madonna doesn’t have degree in Music.
Pavarotti couldn’t even READ music.Or like that. For every Madonna or Pavarotti there are a million people who start a band that never even get good enough to sell a ticket, and then a whole crap load more that never advance past playing at local dive bars. Its not exactly a great plan to say YOLO I’m gonna be the next big thing so I don’t need a backup plan!
I just look at a degree as hedging your bets in life…if you love music but don’t have the talent or the connections to become the next Pavarotti or Madonna, would you rather fall back on a 25,000 dollar a year retail job or a 75-100k+ a year job as an electrical engineer, accountant, a nurse, or any other of a long list of decent paying jobs that you will never get hired for with no degree.
I know guys that have done well with no degrees…guys that started small construction, landscaping, and carpentry businesses, guys that just got a CDL and became a trucker, guys that had the right connections to get a government job as a firefighter, cop, corrections officer, etc…its definitely possible, and I know plenty of people with useless degrees who even working in their field make less than those types of people. The thing is for a lot of those people they end up paying their dues in other ways. Guys that start small businesses bust their nuts for years and generally don’t make a lot of money at first. I worked at UPS for a few years and UPS drivers make some nice bank…but you have to work s~~~ty part time hours with low pay either super early in the morning or afternoons 5 days a week for about 4 years on average before they’ll promote you to a full time driving gig. Basically no matter what you do you’ll have to spend some time on the bottom…very few people are just going to walk into an above average paying job or inherit a business at 18. If paying your dues comes in the form of getting educated its not necessarily a total loss because pretty much no matter what you end up doing there is some form of paying your dues.
I don’t think all degrees are equal or worth it, but if you pick a good major and a reasonable college there are still quite a few out there that are a great return on investment. Just for example, community colleges in my state run a 2 year nursing program…total cost per full time semester in the ballpark of 3500-4000. 4 semesters and you can become an RN and start off a local hospital making 30+ bucks an hour around here. When I was taking chem courses I would need for my degree I talked to a few people in the nursing program as they had to take chem courses as well…they worked as CNA’s at the local hospital and the hospital offered tuition reimbursement…so they spent 2 years in a crappy low paying part time job that looked great on a resume, got a portion of their school paid for, and soon as they graduated and got licensed by the state they pretty much got instant promotions at their job. Its really kind of pointless chalking up all degrees as a scam and as toilet paper when there are plenty of programs like this around that still offer a fantastic return on investment in fields where getting started or getting promoted will simply not happen with no degree.
Dropping out of college is smart thing to do considering there is a huge student debt bubble. Paying it off as possible is a major priority.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
@beer Excellent response top to bottom. We are in almost total agreement… I am nodding to everything because I get it all, and I am with you on a degree making the difference between a conversation with a hiring manager or not, but there is also a lot of BULLS~~~ out there right now.
When someone wants to see the resume before the work – and they make a decision based on that – they are going about it ALL WRONG. This “must have a degree or we won’t even consider you” stuff is gynocentric vagina HR nonsense.
Recently a recruiter contacted me and wanted a resume.
I sent in the resume and we had a personal meeting.
My WORK got me the interview, and another, and another 5.5 hour interview.When I showed up, I met with an HR hiring female manager. ( Oh f~~~, here we go. )
Immediately she starts with all the WRONG questions:
“So what are you looking for?”
“I don’t understand the question. You placed an ad looking for someone like me and I responded to your need.”
Right there, I know she is f~~~ing clueless and shouldn’t even be in that position.
“What are your salary requirements?”
“A smart person would never answer that question. Would you like me to explain why? The first reason is, you haven’t told me anything about the role. So how could I know what to possibly expect as compensation? “
By this time , within 2 questions, I already know I’m speaking with a f~~~ing retard.
When someone opens like that, TRUST ME… with a degree or not, you do NOT want to work for them. She is not even LOOKING for a degree. She is looking for someone to tell her EXACTLY what she wants to hear and the “degree” is still toilet paper.
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