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[shadowParticipant 156]

Men,

I have come to seek advice of fellows as I am faced with a difficult situation at my age of 24. I have never encountered something this crazy before. Allow me to give a little history before I get into the details of it all. As many guys similar to me have experienced the struggle to find a basic relationship with trust, honesty, and equality I have had my fair share of the failed and the some that just didn’t work out do to not ending up liking the person as my dad would say there are plenty of fish in the sea. Well despite this I have tried, honestly I have tried not just in the form of monetary commitment and contribution to these ‘relationships’ with the opposite sex, but also with my time, heart and mind, for whatever that is worth.

SO I am a pretty good looking guy although this has never served me well as I have a very unattractive personality for a male, introvert, quiet, body language, I am basically the opposite of what it is to be player, yet I have abs-6 pack(this hasn’t done me any good for those thinking about working out), and have managed to save myself money to start my own business and work towards the life I want to live now at such a young age. My life is pretty normal, two parents always been together, grew up normal city normal house was a typical middle class life, just like 1 hour outside of Toronto Ontario. I can get into the specifics but I don’t like reading a lot so I will give you the most important info.

I met a girl online by saying hello on a google+ profile which at the time I thought was nice, she was older than me but she wasn’t ugly or anything. We talk online and Skype maybe once or twice and then one day I decide, I have the money, time and flexibility to go anywhere I like and I want to travel im young, as this girl is from South Africa! F~~~ing hell right? I know, you can call me stupid, but I will just say the woman are NO different despite borders being different!!! So I end up going to SA twice in the last year of ‘being together’ and in the last part where it starts to get really f~~~ed up she basically went psycho s~~~ WHILE I was there sitting with her everyday spending time WITH HER spending money at her parents house and the flight (where she lived with 4 cats and her dad would come home the odd time) and threatened me to leave because she had suspicion. She said and I quote, “if you don’t leave I will call the cops and tell them you are trying to hurt me”. I actually laughed at first like she was joking but then the tone remained constant for about 30min which turned into a lot of yelling and verbal disagreement which resulted in her locking herself in a room for 1-2 hours like a child and then still after said the same thing upon waiting, so faced with no other choice. That night after spending only weeks of my what was supposed to be 3 month trip I had to book a hotel for the weekend and a new return flight so an extra 2k on top of my already 2k almost spent. Not a huge boat load but considering the stupidity of this whole thing I would have rather took that money and set it on fire than this . Would have had more enjoyment. Now I hope you are not vomiting from this story already because I certainly did, so to a hotel I went with a my bicycle and luggage back to Canada never to have thought to see her again.

What do you know, not long after she comes back apologizing and trying to say sorry and asking for forgiveness. Right there I should have just said f~~~ off and never spoke to her again but of course I did not and back on the ride we go, Skype and chatting everyday blah blah blah fighting talking about really nothing. Until now, she has been wanting me to fly there for XMAS and I said well I need to make more money because I haven’t been able to save since the last visit which in reality my business took a hit right after I got back home from flight and Im trying to save money and maybe could do it if she helped pitched in. Which originally she had she could try to help, then it became she couldn’t help pitch in because she doesn’t make enough. And then it eventually became if I don’t go there by XMAS I am not ‘in love’ with her. She has really gone crazy now and today I think tipped off the ledge for something as she said to stop replying and and that she has done her homework on me and this other guy I talked to who also works in the same business as me(stock and currency trading) who she knows all about when in real fact this guy is just some random guy I talked to a couple times who I gave money to for programming software?! She seems to think he is some kind of terrorist attack on her business copying her ideas? I dunno man, we don’t want to have anything to do her! Anytime ever. The guy I dont even think KNOWS who the hell she is even!!

Trust me, I wanted her to succeed BAD, I really did! I helped this bitch out SO MUCH, more than she ever did anything for me that’s for sure. She would always put the excuse like, “OH I HAVE SELF RESPECT, I KNOW WHAT IM WORTH. BLAH BLAH”
She is threatening me with, the Canadian authorities will be coming for me now and that I wont be ever to do business again. And that she looked me up did her homework all this BS? So now the question is what do I even do? I have never faced something this serious in my life or so crazy ! I almost think I need to go to a lawyer for this?

Thanking for taking the time to read this

[Anonymous 26]

HOLY F~~~ DUDE….!!! First off, cut her completely from the money train (am sure you have already), next are you able to save all the insane communications? All the crap she has spewed out is worth having a copy of in case of needing legal advice.

She’s probably talking out of her ass but it doesn’t hurt to protect yourself regardless. I am NOT knowledged enough in international law and whether, or not her threat has any merit.

Hopefully some others guys here will have better knowledge and advice…… your whole situation just f~~~en sucks man!

Try to convince her to come to Canada this winter and throw her into lake Ontario under the ice!

[Anonymous 2]

Your being played by an actual psycopath. She has no feelings for anything, you are a toy to her. She thinks – and I think you are a target. She will keep upping the heat and enjoy watching you squirm. You may be a masachist, you may enjoy her games. You have only to take back the power. You have to control the situation. Give her nothing, tell her nothing. Every moment you are near her, you are increasing your dammage meter. If you continue down the road you are on you will have no choice than to loose your old identity and sever ties with your family and friends.

If you truly are MGTOW you wouldn’t give a f~~~ about her p~~~flaps and just bang a fleshlight or a whore.
She’s fire – you have been warned.

[shadowParticipant 156]

Pual,

She never had ANY access to any of my funds whatsoever, thank goodness for that. I have the most recent emails of her telling me in relation to the last part of my ‘ending’ of first post part I have since deleted most of my Skype history and I deem it is no longer viewable? I will check with Skype support maybe.

I think she is talking out of her ass too but she is just NUTS man literally a crazy cat lady!

Thank you for your input, and HAHAHA YES she wouldn’t last 5 min in our winters!!

Eliskage ,

You are totally right and I have already done those two things of your advice. I have stopped saying anything and just letting her die out and fail like she will on her own. Thank you for advice

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Save the communications. You have the chats. Save them, take screen caps, email them to yourself.

You didn’t do anything wrong. So don’t worry about it. You also have your story printed here and dated with a time stamp. Women LOVE to try and make you FEEL like you did something wrong – so maintain the clarity that you did not.

Just be the better man. Next to a woman, it’s easy. But simply refuse to allow her to make you feel like you did something wrong. “if you don’t come to visit me (for Christmas) you don’t love me anymore?”. Holy projection Batman. Take a screenshot of that and never communicate with her again.

Why would a woman you did anything wrong to ………want you to come and visit her FOR CHRISTMAS???

Relax. You’re off the hook.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[shadowParticipant 156]

Thanks Keymaster,

my overall strategy is simply honesty and logic. I will try to be rational and straight forward with everything as I can. WHY this world baffles me some times.

[Anonymous 26]

ryanxmann….. keep the honesty for yourself brother. With the s~~~ she pulled on you, you don’t even owe her honesty, you don’t owe her squat, and the only relatively close thing you can or should give her…… is your middle finger flipping her off while it still smells of t~~~ you bagged the night before.

Manipulation, manipulation, manipulation… it’s what little girls quickly excel at! Because they are such little bitches to each other from childhood why should men expect any better when they become women?

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

The first thing I thought of after reading about your situation was the story about a bag of hand grenades. Someone wrote a brilliant response to NAWALT, “Not All Women Are Like That!!!” I can’t remember which MGTOW posted it, but he suggested that dealing with women is like playing with “a bag of hand grenades.” Maybe you might find one that won’t blow off your nuts (I added the part about the nuts being blown off). Do you really want to take that chance?

I’m over fifty and I took the chances too many times. I posted here in MGTOW about a couple of them. I was warned plenty of times too. However, most of the guys and a few women that warned me in the past seemed like crackpots, so I ignored the warnings. My advanced college education and erection made me ignorant/ foolish.

One story I posted on MGTOW was about my last “girlfriend” who called the police on me in my own home and I had to hire a Lawyer. At that time, I had a strict policy of never letting any women move into my house and/ or keep her stuff at my place. Anything left behind after a sleep over got thrown out (underwear, clothing, makeup, toothbrushes, books …). And I had been paying for a million dollar “Umbrella Insurance Policy,” so I thought I was protected.

One of the things that I did not put in my story was that there were several warning signs from my business dealings with her, a year before she attempted her extortion. After her bad behavior or “signs,” two things happened: First, she apologizes and begs for forgiveness. Doesn’t that sound familiar?
Second, the makeup sex was good. After these two things, it was like a “Jedi” mind f~~~ trick that made the memories of her s~~~ disappear from my awareness. My mind/ dick would not allow me to see what a despicable creature I was sleeping with.

Because of my memory loss and lack of awareness with my “girlfriend,” I never saw it coming when she sprung her trap.

Thankfully, I still had some good friends and a kick ass Lawyer to help me avoid the other bullets she sent my way. It is interesting how my numerous “Soul Mates”/ “Lovers” throughout my life attempted to drive away friends and take my resources.

Nevertheless, it is my understanding that the situation for “Whites” in South Africa is miserable and their days are numbered. Your “Girlfriend” must be desperate to get out of there. A reasonable person would assume that she would be on her best behavior until she locked you into a marriage contract.

Here is a quote I hope you will enjoy:

“Dogs, if they can’t eat you or f~~~ you, they will p~~~ on you.”

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[shadowParticipant 156]

Some great replies! The wisdom here is SO immense. I feel my life is honestly saved, finding this site and for guys making these posts and sharing your experience. My experience runs such similar lines and I am glad to have found this gold mine earlier than if I was already married had kids etc

She even tried to get me to marry her and all that ! That was a too easy of a bullet to dodge though.

[Anonymous 42]

If it quacks like a nut, it must be a nut! SEVER ALL CONTACT WITH THAT LUNATIC! She’s full of s~~~ tests that would rival Deer Island (Boston’s sewer treatment plant). Four grand total? CUT AND RUN! A woman like that (if taken seriously) will have a man totally destroyed within 2 years! She WILL use the authorities to work her tyrannical desires on YOU! DELETE ALL POINTS OF CONTACT! Change your phone#! MOVE, CHANGE YOUR NAME! GHOST ON HER! ANY AND ALL CONTACT WILL ONLY BRING YOU MISERY! RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NioZenParticipant 856]

Bro, I see young dudes come through here with the same problem. Look at your post – six pack doesn’t work, women aren’t attracted to my personality, blah blah blah. That poozy still on a pedestal amigo. It’s bulls~~~. Sorry, but it is. It’s just a f~~~ing soggy hole.

Concentrate on you, your life, your empire, f~~~ those bitches, they’ll only slow you down. Don’t put yourself on a level below the poozy, like you have to come up to some standard, like you’re a commodity in some market that has to appeal to customers FFS, you’re a MAN! MEN built this f~~~ing world. You’re worth ten stupid sluts, so buck up, get your head in the game. You’re the prize, you’ve got the equipment in your skull to be something incredible, to do something amazing. USE IT, stop selling yourself short.

What if I’m wrong, what if attaining a woman is the greatest goal a man can aspire to? Yeah – ask the married guys about that one, lol!

You’re young, you’ve got a great opportunity to decide how you want your life to be and kick some ass. Come on, stop wasting time on these worthless bitches. They’ll be eating out of your hand once you’ve embraced your greatness, then you’ll have the choice to entertain a relationship or pump and dump. You’re priorities are all f~~~ed up, but stick around, you’ll see the light soon enough.

Welcome to the one man revolution my brother.

We only dream this bondage. Wake up and let it go. - Vivekananda

[jt_tooParticipant 14]

Seriously, right now, cut all communications with this bitçh.

Change email, phone, and whatever else she knows about.

[StanAndreasParticipant 160]

Welcome, brother. Wow. Count yourself fortunate this psycho lives thousands of miles away. Change your e-mail and your phone number if you have to, but cut yourself off from her poison. Can she really cause the Canadian authorities to go after you, from South Africa? I kind of doubt it, but it wouldn’t hurt to seek legal advice. Meanwhile, consider this Red Pill 101. No participation certificates for this course. Pass means you’re a free man, fail means a life of pain and suffering.

May I suggest you take a hard look at the first part of your story? Six-pack abs are great, if you build them for yourself. If you build them for women, well, you’ve seen what that gets you. As for your ‘unattractive personality,’ that disturbs me. If you find yourself unattractive, you can fix that. If you think your personality is unattractive because women made you believe that, you have come to the right place. If you mean you like yourself but women find your personality unattractive, screw ’em. Be true to yourself. We’re here for you.

Safety rules: All guns are loaded. All knives are sharp. All stoves are hot. All women are like that.

[RennieParticipant]

NioZen wrote:

It’s bulls~~~. Sorry, but it is. It’s just a f~~~ing soggy hole.

And a stinky one at that.

[Anonymous 18]

shadow wrote:

She is threatening me with, the Canadian authorities will be coming for me now and that I wont be ever to do business again. And that she looked me up did her homework all this BS? So now the question is what do I even do? I have never faced something this serious in my life or so crazy ! I almost think I need to go to a lawyer for this?

I fail to see what’s serious about the situation. The woman is on the extreme end of her being a woman but why do you think her being crazy will land you in trouble? People in law enforcement are pretty good are asking the right question which usually causes the crazy to dial up.

For every 1 false rape accusation that makes it to conviction there are a dozen c~~~s who make up crazy stories and cops can’t add head to the body to the tail of what the story is supposed to be. That’s when the bitch is told to chill the f~~~ out and check herself in a psych unit.

I’d say ghost. You didn’t do anything wrong. She is crazy. Fact you took her back after knowing she is crazy means she is stuck in your head. Maintain distance. Don’t talk to her. Don’t stick your dick in crazy. But for your sake I hope you got to stick it in for once to learn it from real life experience.

Next time you wanna burn a couple grands, send Keymaster a 64-GB RAM Mac Pro for X-mas. Expedited shipping. You’d feel less f~~~ed up.

[Anonymous 29]

Man, . . . she can’t and won’t do jack s~~~ to you. She’s just winding you up. Had it been otherwise you would have herd from the law or her legal eagles already.
Relax and welcome if that was your intro.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

Next time you wanna burn a couple grands, send Keymaster a 64-GB RAM Mac Pro for X-mas. Expedited shipping. You’d feel less f~~~ed up.

LOL. Good one.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[shadowParticipant 156]

BAHAHA you guys are funny as hell!

Had some keystone light, pizza and slept for like 10 hours. I have cut the last straw, she is done! You guys are right she wont really be able to do s~~~, if anything at all. From now on, it is just f~~~ bitches get money!

That was my intro, and in a sense my final tie for anything to do with woman bulls~~~ relations~~~. Just want to thank everyone for participating!

[Elric GreenstoneParticipant 1637]

Welcome to the land of the Red Pill.

As someone older – which limited benefit means that I have made your same mistake multiple times instead of just once – may I suggest that you stop looking for women. I don’t get a really strong “no more bitches; all women are like that” vibe from you. My first soooooulllmateunicorn was my ex-wife. She was horrible and crazy, violent, psychopathic, pathologically dishonest. We divorced when I was 24.

Then I spent the next twenty years doing the same thing, over and over and over, with different women, before I realized that all women today are the same, and it’s a waste of time.

It’s good you’ve cut off all contact. Short of extraditing you to SA, I don’t see a lot that could really be done. Keep your fingers crossed, and let the fear that’s in your gut about possible legal ramifications from doing absolutely nothing . . . let that fear keep you from going down the path of limerence and corpulins and desperation again. My sense is that if a chick could do this to you once, I’m not convinced she’s an outlier in your life. Let’s assume she falls in the exact middle of women you attract. So . . . half of the women you attract will be worse.

A final thought: Women are not better overseas. They are better at trapping Europeans and North Americans, perhaps. Baby = permanent, permanent indenture, and only women decide when they’re going to get pregnant, if you’re having sex with them. Lots of women like the idea of impregnating themselves into first world citizenship.

Picture a bullet, whizzing past your head, hitting concrete, then whizzing *back* past your head. If you keep sticking your head up as a target, eventually your luck will run out.

"You can either love women, or understand women. You can't do both. Because once you understand women, you realize that there is really nothing to love."

[TheroniusParticipant 975]

No contact. No messages, replies, any of that s~~~. Block her completely from your life. She can’t reach you from over there unless you let her. You could never be happy with her, as she does not want you to be happy, not at all. Her happiness would require your misery, you can be sure. Carve a notch on the ol’ dick stick and move along.

"I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence?" - George Carlin

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