"You know, it's normal to enjoy the company of girls"

[MOWsince95Participant 1446]

Just say the truth – what’s normal is doing what you want to do with your life in the way you want to do it, most particularly so as what you are doing causes no harm to anyone.

And then say nothing more about the topic as your choices are not subject to the input of others unless you seek it.

If you are MGTOW when you are young you have no heart.
If you're not MGTOW when you are 20 you have no brain.

[VarunParticipant 2981]

I know its a little bit hard when its your mom in question. If my mother were to ever ask me something like that, I’d probably just keep quiet and not answer her….. or maybe something like “Let me become financially sound first” but I’l be long gone when I really do become financially sound so it won’t matter.

One of my seniors at school once told me “You must not hurt your mother by saying things that she doesn’t wanna hear. Its better to let her live in the mystery than tell her the hard truth and make her live in misery.”

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[Anonymous 3]

This is one of the other proofs that women don’t care about men, even their own sons.

If a father noticed an issue with his daughter, would he tell her something is wrong with her and ask why she was so weird? Or would he try to help her and make her feel good about herself if it was really something problematic? And would he side with men as a sex over his very own daughter?

We know the answer to this questions.

But a mother will trash her son mercilessly, making sure he is hurt and feels abnormal, for the benefit of females that she has never met and has no relation to.

That is the difference between men and women. It will never get through people’s heads. They’ll always argue NAWALT and all sorts of other nonsense.

But put simply, all females hate all males. At the very most a female will TOLERATE a male, but it is IMPOSSIBLE for her to genuinely love and care for someone of the male gender. Love is putting the interests of someone else over yourself, or at the least CARING about them and seeing things from their perspective.

Women can not and will not do so. They have absolutely desire to do so. They don’t even make it a question of them vs. you or being simply nice to you, they PREFER STRANGERS of their own gender over their sons, brothers, fathers, husbands etc. That is why women promoted feminism, it was obvious it was hurting their male family members but they never cared.

If NAWALT truly existed and women of previous generations truly were different, they would have shut down feminism before it started, to protect their own sons. But they didn’t, they cheered feminism on and laughed as it destroyed their sons.

Men are so stupid that they can’t understand that, no matter how much evidence is shown to them, no matter how many times it is shown to them.

[MOWsince95Participant 1446]

Great comments Phoenix, but when I read this a good response went thru my head …

Anonymous wrote:

They’ll always argue NAWALT and all sorts of other nonsense.

Response: “Yes, sure, and Not All Lottery Tickets Are Losers, too.”

In fact the odds of winning Super Lotto are better than those of finding a NAWALT.

If you are MGTOW when you are young you have no heart.
If you're not MGTOW when you are 20 you have no brain.

[GrumpyParticipant]

Personally….
I enjoy the company of a lot of things, as long as it doesn’t introduce additional drama.
Its also “normal” to enjoy the company of your own mind.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[The Moth Attracted to the FlameParticipant 2982]

I have f~~~ing Asperger’s syndrome. That takes a toll on the way I talk to people, especially women. The moment the first woman I see goes to bitch mode, I get this mindset that women aren’t good company. And it shows that women aren’t good company as they embrace the stereotype more and more.

When I was younger, women hated me. I embraced my masculinity. I got teased and f~~~ed with. The only girls I hung out with were the vulnerable ones. The ones I could intimidate and nothing would happen. And I just became a loner from there.

And they lost interest in me along the way. Even when I was forced to go to the prom with my sexy date, she was glued to her phone and with other people’s conversations instead of me.

And nobody will care. Not my mother. Not the school girls. Nobody. The blame ends up on me and nothing’s done to stop it.

So, f~~~ them. They refuse to hold themselves accountable for their culture and their actions. There’s no way to have a good discussion with them about it.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Cali wrote:

This is what my mom said the other day. Apparently, I’m abnormal or “unhealthy” because I don’t particularly care to hang out with most girls I know. I’ve met a few girls whose company I enjoyed because they were smart, fun to talk with, or were interested in what I am, but they aren’t common, and I can never be quite myself around them the way I can around men.

I haven’t told my mom about MGTOW, or she’d probably ban it from her house (she’s already asked me to stop talking about some of my viewpoints around other family members). I can understand where she’s coming from (she’s a therapist, so she can be rather sensitive about such things. Plus, she gets to meet a lot of women who come in for counseling who have been abused and cheated on and all), but she really tends to get emotional when the subject of me and girls comes up.

What do you guys think is a good way to respond to the “you’re abnormal/weird for not pursuing/hanging out with girls”?
Keep in mind that I have to keep it polite and very respectful.

Be aware that her license gives her a false sense of intellectual superiority in these matters so its going to be difficult to make her see your views because she will always have an air of “I know better than you, my job, my degree, my education say so” even though she may be just as lost/clueless as another other person who doesn’t critically think since critical thinking and common sense isn’t what is done in college.

So you have to guide her to such obvious conclusions (give it to her without making it seem like it is your conclusion lol) that she will make the connection and think that she was so smart she thought of it.

First prep her, give her discreet and subtle redpills not relating to her conversations on this topic. Like when she mentions abused women, ask “well why don’t they go after nice guys instead? Seems they are intentionally picking people that are going to cheat. I know a lot of guys that never get dates yet get put in the friendzone for being “too nice” so I don’t see why they end up in that situation to begin with. In my social circles, those girls don’t want guys like that to begin with.

Or “Jeez mom it doesn’t add up, women can get sex ANYTIME they want, I know for a fact guys can’t get laid at the rate girls can since they are so beautiful and hot and men are shaggy and unkept. Are you sure the ratio of guys getting cheated on and abused by girls isn’t worse? I mean I don’t see how its possible seeing the way girls are these days jumping from guy to guy. Plus, they can practically hit a guy with slaps in public and people simply laugh and go “you go girl”. No way guys can do the same since they would be arrested. Hell I would help beat him up” (though you should probably realize she earned it)

Then when the conversation DOES come up by her tell her “well, girls don’t really want nice guys. They want douche bags. Plus, most girls these days ARE rather abrasive, obnoxious, and difficult. They belong more in a bootcamp than bedroom.”

Give her your conclusions, but make her think SHE thought of them. You in her eyes are inferior even if you are using common sense.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

I actually had a female therapist who set me straight. She was useless in more ways than one, but when I told her about my relationship with my wife – she told me I should not be tolerating that s~~~ and that she completely understands why I’m sick and tired of that. That stuck in my mind and affirmed me that I wasn’t the one who was crazy. So I have some respects for therapists since then.

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

: “You know, it’s normal to enjoy the company of girls”
: “Not at these prices it isn’t.”

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

I’d say that I’m more interested in being happy than being normal.

[Anonymous 3]

Keymaster wrote:

Check this out: Fast forward to 3:20 and watch his mother’s expression – like he’s “wierd” – and then listen to what he says.

I was a weird kid too, often mocked by others, and disliked by girls. I totally liked this video. I was not that talented at that age, but had still very good grades and some good competition results in the subjects the “normal” people hated, like math, chemistry, computer related things, and physics.

But an interesting off-topic question: does the school system allow at all, to jump years forward from elementary school to college? In my country it might have been impossible.

Back to the topic, now my mother is the same, always asking about girls.I keep ignoring but I am moved out long time ago. (actually that was a different story back in my blue pill ages. It was next to impossible to get a girlfriend if one was 24 and lived with parents. )

I suggest to move out. But with a good planning, financially and technically. Parents of adult guys are likely to get full, bats~~~ emotional for some time at moving out. find the place, get the rent contract, move your not-too-much used stuff first, and then go. If lot of stuff, do it when mom is not home. A car or truck will be useful, but I am minimalist, actually done some last 10% of moving on a bicycle while mom was sleeping. I tend to avoid conflicts. If you are gone, she will call you on the phone, but you can choose to say only a few sentences and hang it. Do not go back to the mother’s place for a few weeks. she will get s~~~ emotional, especially in the first year.

[CaliParticipant 753]

Dudes! I’m loving all the feedback!

I should let all you guys know that, while my mom can be frustrating at times, she is certainly not one of the crazy therapists out there. Of course, she is human and can be emotional at home, but she gets overwhelmingly good reviews from men and women alike, and I wouldn’t be the man I am now without her patience and help (I was one of those annoying but nice ADD kids that would have gotten the snot beaten out of him in public school and suffered, and I really wasn’t very bright socially). I feel that I can hardly overstate how good a mother she has been to me. My dad hasn’t exactly been a magnificent father (he’s made some mistakes, but I still love him and respect him), but my mom had thousands of chances to leave him and she could even have been justified in my eyes a few times.

She homeschooled me and my brother for our whole lives while working to support our family. She is the main breadwinner in my family, and she has kept us together through a lot. She is the closest thing to a unicorn I have ever seen. She has held on to her convictions her whole life when it would have been extremely convenient to just leave and do her own thing. She told me herself that she made her decisions, and she will stick with them.

I will be going to college in So. Cal. this Fall, so I’ll be free then, but for now I’m gonna stick with the free room and board of home. I was just looking for some good responses to her comments.

I still love her immensely, so I won’t be giving her the cold shoulder, and since my whole family including myself are staunch Christians, it wouldn’t fly for me to say I’m gay (plus, I don’t want to have to directly lie about that to my mom, you know?)

Thank you all for your input, but special thanks to Pacifist, Keymaster, sidecar, Big Boss, and Tiga K for your great ideas.

I’d address all of your posts, but I don’t have the time at the moment. They are all appreciated.

Just a misogynist virgin hiding away in his mother's basement. Nothing to see here...

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

Yeah it’s normal to enjoy the company of trollops……if you’re an effeminate hipster!

[AntonioParticipant 142]

I am sad for the video´s kid….when your mother is a control freak…you develop OCD and possible physicall illnes…(whe have been discusing it in another thread i made) look, first it was minerals, not programming……
This is from my own (and painfull) experience that i am still trying to get out..i can relate to him ( A LOT ). The difference was that my father didnt approve my OCD (me) and my parents are divorced. Sometimes i see this as a bad thing, but sometimes i can see in fact it could possibly be benneficial.

My first OCD was with dinosaurs btw.

I am not saying she should leave the computing programming though….because then he will have another OCD episode, aspergers…etc….if he leaves, he is going to become physically sick.
If he continues having contact with that mother maybe wont be good for his happyness…at least her father approves that. But this could be a double edge sword and may be not good also. Have you seen the way the father looks to the mother after talking? He is trying to receive approval!!! something is not good on that family. I can smell it. The mother is in some way pointing in the good direction (something is happening to the kid) BUT SHE WOULD NEVER ACKOLEDGE THE REAL TRUTH THAT HER KID IS SHOWING.
Its not healthy for a kid to be behind the PC all day, i am trying to get out that road also and much more!!! i am not happy. period.

For more information you can read about “scapegoats” in families…but some times, the scapegoating thing is really cover, subtle…like this one…my kid is a genius…

PD: I have so many doubts, this could be projection on my part. I really dont know. I just want to give another point of view that i assume could be wrong. I have been there. I can relate to the kid, just that.

[AntonioParticipant 142]

Anonymous wrote:

This is one of the other proofs that women don’t care about men, even their own sons.

If a father noticed an issue with his daughter, would he tell her something is wrong with her and ask why she was so weird? Or would he try to help her and make her feel good about herself if it was really something problematic? And would he side with men as a sex over his very own daughter?

We know the answer to this questions.

But a mother will trash her son mercilessly, making sure he is hurt and feels abnormal, for the benefit of females that she has never met and has no relation to.

That is the difference between men and women. It will never get through people’s heads. They’ll always argue NAWALT and all sorts of other nonsense.

But put simply, all females hate all males. At the very most a female will TOLERATE a male, but it is IMPOSSIBLE for her to genuinely love and care for someone of the male gender. Love is putting the interests of someone else over yourself, or at the least CARING about them and seeing things from their perspective.

Women can not and will not do so. They have absolutely desire to do so. They don’t even make it a question of them vs. you or being simply nice to you, they PREFER STRANGERS of their own gender over their sons, brothers, fathers, husbands etc. That is why women promoted feminism, it was obvious it was hurting their male family members but they never cared.

If NAWALT truly existed and women of previous generations truly were different, they would have shut down feminism before it started, to protect their own sons. But they didn’t, they cheered feminism on and laughed as it destroyed their sons.

Men are so stupid that they can’t understand that, no matter how much evidence is shown to them, no matter how many times it is shown to them.

Yes. But you are half right (IMHO). The kid has a problem….its his mother/father relationship. But yes he has a problem for sure…its called OCD. Two problems in fact, because the parents will never acknoledge. My mother says…maybe its like i am like this, or like that…but she says it in an attempt to control me further…no because she wants to change.

[AntonioParticipant 142]

Cali wrote:

Dudes! I’m loving all the feedback!

I should let all you guys know that, while my mom can be frustrating at times, she is certainly not one of the crazy therapists out there. Of course, she is human and can be emotional at home, but she gets overwhelmingly good reviews from men and women alike, and I wouldn’t be the man I am now without her patience and help (I was one of those annoying but nice ADD kids that would have gotten the snot beaten out of him in public school and suffered, and I really wasn’t very bright socially). I feel that I can hardly overstate how good a mother she has been to me. My dad hasn’t exactly been a magnificent father (he’s made some mistakes, but I still love him and respect him), but my mom had thousands of chances to leave him and she could even have been justified in my eyes a few times.

She homeschooled me and my brother for our whole lives while working to support our family. She is the main breadwinner in my family, and she has kept us together through a lot. She is the closest thing to a unicorn I have ever seen. She has held on to her convictions her whole life when it would have been extremely convenient to just leave and do her own thing. She told me herself that she made her decisions, and she will stick with them.

I will be going to college in So. Cal. this Fall, so I’ll be free then, but for now I’m gonna stick with the free room and board of home. I was just looking for some good responses to her comments.

I still love her immensely, so I won’t be giving her the cold shoulder, and since my whole family including myself are staunch Christians, it wouldn’t fly for me to say I’m gay (plus, I don’t want to have to directly lie about that to my mom, you know?)

Thank you all for your input, but special thanks to Pacifist, Keymaster, sidecar, Big Boss, and Tiga K for your great ideas.

I’d address all of your posts, but I don’t have the time at the moment. They are all appreciated.

Read about covert narcissism, enablers, family dynamics, etc.

[AntonioParticipant 142]

Their parents will never acknoledge their own part. Instead they tend to talk about him as if he is weird, labeling him. This a real nightmare for the kid. He cant sleep well, he goes thinking on alghoritms to bed then wake up with the answer. I dont think he is enjoying that life, is trying to be the best trying to receive approval (which will never come). Thats suffering.

[Wandering MGHOWParticipant 551]

Anonymous wrote:

This is one of the other proofs that women don’t care about men, even their own sons.

If a father noticed an issue with his daughter, would he tell her something is wrong with her and ask why she was so weird? Or would he try to help her and make her feel good about herself if it was really something problematic? And would he side with men as a sex over his very own daughter?

We know the answer to this questions.

But a mother will trash her son mercilessly, making sure he is hurt and feels abnormal, for the benefit of females that she has never met and has no relation to.

That is the difference between men and women. It will never get through people’s heads. They’ll always argue NAWALT and all sorts of other nonsense.

But put simply, all females hate all males. At the very most a female will TOLERATE a male, but it is IMPOSSIBLE for her to genuinely love and care for someone of the male gender. Love is putting the interests of someone else over yourself, or at the least CARING about them and seeing things from their perspective.

Women can not and will not do so. They have absolutely desire to do so. They don’t even make it a question of them vs. you or being simply nice to you, they PREFER STRANGERS of their own gender over their sons, brothers, fathers, husbands etc. That is why women promoted feminism, it was obvious it was hurting their male family members but they never cared.

If NAWALT truly existed and women of previous generations truly were different, they would have shut down feminism before it started, to protect their own sons. But they didn’t, they cheered feminism on and laughed as it destroyed their sons.

Men are so stupid that they can’t understand that, no matter how much evidence is shown to them, no matter how many times it is shown to them.

Great comments phoenix, I agree 100% about mothers. My own mother would rather take the side of complete strangers (females) that she never met before instead of taking my side. She will belittle me and think something is wrong with me before ever considering that AWALT.

[OhnoParticipant 668]

Cali wrote:

(she’s already asked me to stop talking about some of my viewpoints around other family members).

For example, talking about your viewpoints on having kids nowadays?

Sure, you are still very young and will be going to college soon, but I see your mom is planning way ahead of time.
She knows your type, that you dont date and like to hang out with girls that much, so she picked a larger time frame. Dont underestimate your mom, she knows her stuff and has made up her mind before she dragged you into this conversation.

“You know, it’s normal to enjoy the company of girls”
That doesnt sound spontanious at all.

Her intentions are, believe it or not, to have grandchildren.
Why would she care so much that you start seeing girls, while you are in college?
You have a good relation with your mom and there is no good reason to put it on a line by telling you that you are living unhealthy and are being a bit weird. So why is she showing you a way to make her happier by hanging out with girls?
She also knows that it gets to you what she is saying.
At least you made a topic here about your “little” conversation with your mom.
Its not about you and your views on women… its about her wanting you to procreate sometime in future!
Your mom tricked everyone here except for me about her true intentions.
She wants grandchildren and family life, for herself. And if you ever listened to old people talking, they always talk about their children and grandchildren and how awesome they are doing.
Your mom knows what shes doing. She is mostly building her own future…but if you dont procreate, her future is in danger.
A discussion with her is useless, because she wants grandchildren and no arguement that you have can change anything about that.

[narwhalParticipant]

I don’t particularly care to hang out with most girls I know. I’ve met a few girls whose company I enjoyed because they were smart, fun to talk with, or were interested in what I am, but they aren’t common, and I can never be quite myself around them the way I can around men.

What you say here seems absolutely fine. Perhaps it’s too much to say to her, but you aren’t broken, so why is she trying to fix you?

As for mother’s not caring about their sons, I really don’t think you can throw out a blanket statement like that. I absolutely have seen mother’s that behave as Phoenix describes, but I have seen many that don’t behave that way. My mother really doesn’t push me to date or try and get in a relationship at all. Then again, she already has her grandkids. She also has no interest in a relationship herself, so she would feel a bit hypocritical by pushing it on someone else. I have had plenty of conversations with her regarding the nature of women and she always agrees. She is not a mindless idiot.

I’m not saying she’s AWALT either, not by a long shot, but she does have her moments. In my opinion, the problem is rarely lack of intelligence, it’s their emotions and sense of manipulation that mix in there and result in the messed up behavior.

Ok. Then do it.

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