YOU Can't MAKE THEM Into What YOU WANT Them To Be

[coolthingy450Participant 1223]

There is a 50/50 chance of change. But its up to the person. I’ve made some dumb decisions that costed me some friends and vise versa. Or in my case its both.

There will always be better people. Don’t make the mistake of putting too much effort in one friend like i did.

When I see a relationship whatever it is you have come to a end always admit when you f~~~ up and speak your mind. And be prepared to move on if it comes to it.

Actions have consequences and consequences have prices. Cause and effect at work.

[WraithParticipant 242]

coolthingy450 wrote:

There is a 50/50 chance of change.

The chance of change, and the chance that it will be permanent, depends on the person. The point is not to base your estimate of that chance on how hot she is or how her wounded, helpless babe persona triggers your protector instinct. Be pragmatic and keep your life goals up front.

[coolthingy450Participant 1223]

Wraith wrote:

coolthingy450 wrote:

There is a 50/50 chance of change.

The chance of change, and the chance that it will be permanent, depends on the person. The point is not to base your estimate of that chance on how hot she is or how her wounded, helpless babe persona triggers your protector instinct. Be pragmatic and keep your life goals up front.

Makes sense. Well in her situation her mom may have cancer, and her career choices may plummet. It was more of a brother and sister kind of friendship. But who knows all i did is pointed out her flaws and explainedbti her why im not putting up with it.

Could be a lie for all i know. But i rather focus on my own goals.

Actions have consequences and consequences have prices. Cause and effect at work.

[shovelheadriderParticipant 2400]

coolthingy450 wrote:

There is a 50/50 chance of change.

the 50/50 change is a $50 bill going from your hand to hers.It is a women,they do what they do. If you buy a Labrador retriever you don’t have trouble getting in the water. It is like a snake handler “And you know your bite is poisonous and now I’m going to die”
“Ah shut up, silly,” said that reptile with a grin
“Now you knew darn well I was a snake before you brought me in”

Lord made a lady out of Adam’s rib
Next thing you know, you got women’s lib
Lovely to look upon, Heaven to touch
It’s a real shame that they got to cost so much

[narwhalParticipant]

I don’t see it the same way. Generally speaking, I don’t think men try and change women. They tend to accept them for who they are, or more accurately, who they present themselves to be.

Women marry men based on who they think they will be, or who they think they can mold them to be.

The common scenario is that the wife immediately drops her charade and doing all the things that husband loved about her, while simultaneously needing husband to start changing. Husband can’t be what she wants and is totaled crushed by the trap he’s in, so starts to go numb. Wife decides that 5 years is enough to give the appearance that ‘she tried’ and cashes out.

Again, I don’t know any man that marries a woman thinking he can change who she is, he just wants who she presented himself to be. A wise man learns to see through the cracks in her façade, and don’t believe the red flags can be overlooked.

And I wouldn’t say men or women are not capable of change. They are. But change needs to demonstrated for a significant amount of time with no incentive before I believe it’s real. No longer a slut? Fine. Don’t sleep with anyone for 3 years straight, then tell me you’re not a slut. Proving you’re not a slut by not being a slut for as long as takes to get my resources doesn’t mean you’re not a slut.

Ok. Then do it.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

The title of this thread makes me remember:

the whole Victim, Persecutor and Rescuer social theory thing.

The title reminds me, you can’t make her into what you want her to be, you can’t be a rescuer.

I tried to rescue a woman before. LOL. Ill spare you the particulars. Dont be a white knight. Its a trap.

[shovelheadriderParticipant 2400]

narwhal wrote:

simultaneously needing husband to start changing

If they do this it often for reasons that she does not want to acknowledged.If She puts a lot of nagging that she might call helping him become better.It is like the old saw” I would never join a club that would have me as a member. If she turns him into a better version of HIM . A better version of HIM ; HE would have younger better version of her.She has a sense of entitlement she is a Princes her daddy told her that don’t you know

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

You can’t make liberated women do what you want—unless you’re a pimp.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[ironheartParticipant 942]

After three generations of them being raised with Fem-Nazi poison in their veins, what do you expect?

Yes there are women who want love, family, and happiness. But those things are not the priority the females are told they should have, so of course women reject it. The constant bulls~~~ media that birds gobble up is that they can do what ever they want, with no consequence — because they are a f~~~ing woman!

The media will not question it. Other women will not question it. When a man questions it, than he is an evil misogynist.

They have to change themselves. Few of them figure out that they need to, but a few do. But even those few ones are still lured back into the matrix by their other female friends. So expect a relationship to last a couple years at most, and move on. Just protect yourself and your stuff.

The only women I find to have a remote clue about what it takes to live in a happy relationship (or friendship without baggage) are the ones raised as tomboys. They get men. They do not hate men. Many of them think like men.

Whatever you want them to be will never happen, because they know and are taught that withholding that from you allows them to control you. Whether you want the lifetime slut, or the happy housewife, makes no difference. They become the other because they see how it gives them power. That is why when you will not give them power, they call you abusive and turn around and monkey-branch to the next tree.

All of this because the society we lives in thinks and approves that is not only normal behavior, but “what is best for a woman” that she have the freedom to walk away.

That is what Feminism gave us.

"Women have become so full of hatred that they are blind to reason and humanity. That which they practice will be the end of humanity, long before any war that men may fight.." "Women are predators by nature. Why else do you think they are so quick to gang up and go after a man they hate for showing any sign of weakness?"

[shovelheadriderParticipant 2400]

Gravel Pit wrote:

It’s a woman’s prerogative to change her mind.

It is more woman have the inability to know what they want. That is why there is so many makeovers. They are not builders they are takers. It boils down that it is not there fault . The bad plan failed,not because of her it was because othetrs did not impliment it.

[shovelheadriderParticipant 2400]

ironheart wrote:

I find to have a remote clue about what it takes to live in a happy relationship

You are over thinking. They don’t care Males arre Toxic and need to be punished

[shovelheadriderParticipant 2400]

it may take a long time to get a glimpse of who she is. She is playing a part of some one that can extract gifts and services financial and physical. Her plan A is to have your child and at least 50% of your stuff.This part she plays for said extractions includes;oral sex,bringing beer and loving your teas ball games.
Every women I ever loved never existed.Angela Jolie is not “Lara Croft”. It is just a part she is playing and is compensated.For you it is at best ” cop and blow” Iceberg Slim.Just one dance and no romance .Take a chance on taking what is sorta freely given. A pussy dealer is a drug dealer.She hopes you get hooked on the first shot.

[VeniversumParticipant 492]

At this point I think we all need to quit whining and get to work. S~~~ needs done. Seriously.. don’t we have better subjects to talk about? Hypergamy is a dead horse already.. that horse is already half decayed and infested with maggots. Maybe take a look at Propertarianism, hone and perfect your skills, and get ready to create your own personal paradise. The central banks are going down very soon. Get your asses some gold or silver, immediately. Start achieving those goals that you always wanted to accomplish. If people do not have the intellect, the virtues, and the ambition to keep up with us running, then let them eat dust..

[VeniversumParticipant 492]

In the end, it becomes clear that morality is absolutely necessary to prevent the collapse of civilization. At this point though, shouldn’t we be focusing more on solutions than problems? It is a feminine quality to always focus on the problem, or to worry consistently, or even to constantly seek someone to blame. We need to reclaim the mantle of masculinity and start solving problems. The government has accelerated toward Malthusian positive checks on population growth. That means fomenting a war of some type, as an excuse to murder the people they no longer have a “use” for. When the classic villain no longer has a “use” for you, they “get rid of” you. If you love civilization as much as I, then it is time to take responsibility. A positive check does not benefit us. It only benefits the neofeudal lords. It isn’t the fault of naive and innocent people that they have been brainwashed and deceived. That means we’re going to have to take some broken and demoralized men under our wing.. yes.. even the male children of single mothers. Otherwise you risk having hordes of barbarians or roving bands of marauders attacking your friends and family. We need a male school for virtues, physical fitness, and useful skills. As much as many of you abhor the majority of women, due to their decline in morality, females are necessary to continue forth with the species. So we just need reclaim the power of the state as well as our dominant role over society, to save the species at this point. Demographic implosion will result in “The Hunger Games”. How many of you can honestly say that this is what you want?

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Veniversum wrote:

In the end, it becomes clear that morality is absolutely necessary to prevent the collapse of civilization. At this point though, shouldn’t we be focusing more on solutions than problems? … females are necessary to continue forth with the species. So we just need reclaim the power of the state as well as our dominant role over society, to save the species at this point. Demographic implosion will result in “The Hunger Games”. How many of you can honestly say that this is what you want?

You are quite good in cutting to the chase, and getting to the crux of the problem.

Given a choice, I’d rather not have the Hunger Games. But I see no actionable strategy that would lead to reclaiming the power of the state. I can’t think of any civilizations that were spiraling into a collapse that managed to pull out of a death spiral. Easter Island, the Romans, the Sassanid Persian Empire, the Spanish Empire, Athens, the Greenland Vikings, the Spartans, the Ottomans, to name but a few all collapsed.

When it goes to s~~~, it keeps going to s~~~, because by the time a collapse nears and the elites can feel the pain that everyone else has been feeling, it is too late to take action. A few wise people usually see a collapse coming, but no one with enough influences listens or acts on it. Most people will only see the collapse in the rear view window.

It should be interesting living in a post-Information Age society, with no antibiotics, Green Revolution, or electricity. I’m not pinning my hopes on political or military solutions that aren’t going to come. I’m already planning for what comes after the collapse.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Veniversum wrote:

As much as many of you abhor the majority of women, due to their decline in morality, females are necessary to continue forth with the species. So we just need reclaim the power of the state as well as our dominant role over society, to save the species at this point. Demographic implosion will result in “The Hunger Games”.

Not to squabble you personally, I have no idea who you are but I take issue with a few ideas you expressed.

1. Women never had morality. It wasn’t that it declined. It never existed. There is no virtue in women as it was never a trait necessary for survival. On the contrary, mis-virtue was a trait rewarded with survival. Her manipulation, her monkey-branching, her deception, her unfeeling. And this is no insult to women! I’m acknowledging that we survived ice ages and extinction events because of their nature that only now became so undesirable when set in modernity.

Veniversum wrote:

Hypergamy is a dead horse already..

You say Hypergamy is a dead horse. I say you must have missed its implications in the first place. Sexual Dimorphism, Evo-Pscyh… that is far from a dead topic.

2. There is no power in the state that can account for 6 million years of sexually dimorphic evo-psych INSTINCT. We’re talking ice-cold survival genetics INGRAINED in our most primal behavior. If there is a social-governance system that can adequately gauge our sexual differences and maximize well being… I haven’t read about it and uber Christian MRAs aren’t about to invent it. Frankly, they’re all still stuck on stupid. The egalitarian notion must be smashed.

Like Ranger said, this isnt likely to be corrected. The freight train in moving… the bridge is out… 80 years from now, we’re talking mass Surrogacy, Gene-Modification and likely World War as a result of the morality of gene-mod. Mass starvation, economic ruin…. Its a matter of mathematical inevitability. Traditional Conservatism will not save the birthrate, neither will legislation.

The inevitability is that women are not having children… that is an issue that is not resolvable. The more you modernize, the birth rate fails. This is because women have access to birthcontrol and abortion (there were no abortion clinics and birthcontrol pills on the Paleo-Savannah). You will not win the arguments to get these regulated or abolished…. theyre here to stay so the Birth Rate is f~~~ed. It wont happen today or even 10 years from now… but we have stunted our growth. By 2100, human population will start plunge.

3. The Hunger Games? wtf…. you watched those?

Anyway. Sorry if I came off abrasive… Im only pointing out that there is no Saving the Day Scenario… all the Reclaim Masculinity and Societal Power s~~~… LOL aint happening and wont do s~~~.

The only way out of this is to continue our evolution and progress. This means acknowledging MEN as superior beings to women and law needs to reflect that. 2. Sexual Reproduction for this species must no longer be a private matter. We need artifical wombs or government run Surrogacy NOW. Having children the natural way should be heavily regulated and a license should be required. Child Support should be abolished as it is ridiculous and unlicensed pregnancies should be reviewed and possibly terminated in many cases.

All this floating on Mimbly Bibbbly as a species that lets women have full reign of the law and spawn children from undesirable gene-pools is retarding our development as a species. It will probably never change. homo Sapien will probably drudge on in conflict and idiocy for another few hundred thousand years until another TOBA event kills us all off… We either get busy evolving past our current roadblocks or die… I do not believe our current technology as-is, mixed with new legislation can save us… it cant. We need MORE TECH (gene mods and arty wombs) to balance out the current imbalance and we also need desperately to acknowledge sexual dimorphism.

These developments will certainly not occur in our lifetimes. Im accepting all these black pills and accepting the generation I was born in. The NAWALT delusion is evaporating and AWALT realization is solidifying. Ive accepted the TRUTH as it is in 2019. Id of rather been born in 2120 and live a life much like the depiction in A Brave New World but I wasnt… I was born now so I will enjoy my time free from women…

[MonkParticipant 16984]

Gravel Pit wrote:

1. Women never had morality. It wasn’t that it declined. It never existed. There is no virtue in women as it was never a trait necessary for survival. On the contrary, mis-virtue was a trait rewarded with survival. Her manipulation, her monkey-branching, her deception, her unfeeling.

Yes. The Selfish Gene. They are little more than machines built for reproduction.

The inevitability is that women are not having children… that is an issue that is not resolvable. The more you modernize, the birth rate fails. This is because women have access to birth control and abortion …

And men are gradually being sterilised courtesy of pollution and food additives. Male fertility – the more delicate of the two – is plunging.

… there is no Saving the Day Scenario… all the Reclaim Masculinity and Societal Power s~~~… LOL aint happening and wont do s~~~.

True. It’s essentially a White Knight fantasy.

2. Sexual Reproduction for this species must no longer be a private matter. We need artificial wombs or government run Surrogacy NOW. Having children the natural way should be heavily regulated and a license should be required. Child Support should be abolished as it is ridiculous and unlicensed pregnancies should be reviewed and possibly terminated in many cases.

Brave New World is exactly where it’s headed. Consider the obsession with casual sex, the promotion of perversion, drugs (soma) and so on.

All this floating on Mimbly Bibbbly as a species that lets women have full reign of the law and spawn children from undesirable gene-pools is retarding our development as a species.

Yes, but none of this is by accident. This tide of human garbage is a weapon. Once the bulk of the population have been devolved and drugged into imbecility, they can be exterminated.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Monk wrote:

Feminism encourages women of superior stock to emphasise career over family. Welfare is provided in order to encourage the scum to breed…….Yes, but none of this is by accident. This tide of human garbage is a weapon. Once the bulk of the population have been devolved and drugged into imbecility, they can be exterminated.

I don’t doubt you my friend. I know what you’re thinking and I have no rebuttal or evidence against it. In the end, I have to agree that there something sinister to it. I also concede many points about breeding I think we know what Im referring to…. the stall-mates we’re in.

Monk wrote:

Brave New World is exactly where it’s headed. Consider the obsession with casual sex, the promotion of perversion, drugs (soma) and so on.

Im okay with that. Honestly I just want access to sex without risk. Its that simple. I want legal, regulated, safe prostitution. F~~~, they legalized WEED across most of America… in places where its still illegal, they just write you a ticket now and send you one your way…

The people in charge are dumb as f~~~. Prostitution would actually help the marriage and birthrate because it creates a competitive market! Same thing with child support, if you out law child support… all the sudden families are staying together… NO S~~~! It doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that WOMEN have a monopoly.

Make Prostitution Legal = scarcity of men = elevates SMV of men = incentivises women to stop misbehaving
Outlaw Child Support = parenting fiscal insolvency = Men become needed in the home, she doesn’t kick him to the curb = lil’ Johnny has a dad now and doesn’t end up in prison

HOW F~~~ING STUPID IS CONGRESS?

OH YEAH DUMB QUESTION! LOL Awakened! Aint you a New Yorker? Can you explain why this 29 year old Socialist Gash got elected to congress?

[VeniversumParticipant 492]

I don’t take these discussions personally. I guess the primary difference between you and I is that I refuse to be a defeatist. I’d rather begin rebuilding civilization before it even collapses. Also, The entire “Brave New World” scenario is disgusting. Genetically engineered f~~~ babies for pedophiles? Not even just no, but oh hell f~~~ no. Too many people here are just doing vagina impressions. I disagree with you about women having morality; there are those who can override their natural instincts and do very well with it, but they are almost always religious from a religious family. If any or even all of those of you who call yourselves “men” actually do have morality, you would not actively engage in defeatism and lazy surrender.

[Anonymous 38]

Veniversum wrote:

In the end, it becomes clear that morality is absolutely necessary to prevent the collapse of civilization. At this point though, shouldn’t we be focusing more on solutions than problems? It is a feminine quality to always focus on the problem, or to worry consistently, or even to constantly seek someone to blame. We need to reclaim the mantle of masculinity and start solving problems. The government has accelerated toward Malthusian positive checks on population growth. That means fomenting a war of some type, as an excuse to murder the people they no longer have a “use” for. When the classic villain no longer has a “use” for you, they “get rid of” you. If you love civilization as much as I, then it is time to take responsibility. A positive check does not benefit us. It only benefits the neofeudal lords. It isn’t the fault of naive and innocent people that they have been brainwashed and deceived. That means we’re going to have to take some broken and demoralized men under our wing.. yes.. even the male children of single mothers. Otherwise you risk having hordes of barbarians or roving bands of marauders attacking your friends and family. We need a male school for virtues, physical fitness, and useful skills. As much as many of you abhor the majority of women, due to their decline in morality, females are necessary to continue forth with the species. So we just need reclaim the power of the state as well as our dominant role over society, to save the species at this point. Demographic implosion will result in “The Hunger Games”. How many of you can honestly say that this is what you want?

Being MGTOW is moral. We aren’t debasing ourselves, we don’t live the lie. We are not pacifists, we would fight if necessary. We just are careful not to involve ourselves in the matrix and in doing so destroy ourselves. And that is important because maybe the human race will come to depend on men like that. Make no mistake MGTOW is a very moral stance. It is all the other men running around after women, feeding an immoral system, who are immoral.

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