Women Think They Will Be Able To Fall Back On Traditionalism

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I understand the basic joy and desire for fatherhood, but that’s wash, because a man doesn’t DECIDE to have kids – or not have kids.

He can’t be a father when he wants to be.
And he can’t NOT be a father if he wants to be – even when the kid isn’t his(!).

Women don’t have a choice to fallback and “return to traditionalism”.
It was never their choice to begin with.

Just like a man can’t “choose” to have kids – or not…
Women can’t *choose* to live own your dime rent free.

They are delusional if they think they have ANY say in the matter.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Sandals wrote:

I wouldn’t put it past that feminism killed off the dinosaurs. DGTOW could have led to their extinction.

OH MY F~~~ING SIDES!

[Chaff/FlareParticipant 3235]

BritGHOW wrote:

For the reasons above this is always the way it has to be, a woman has to get her claws into a man early while he is young and stupid, thinking with his c~~~ as opposed to his brain and she still has her looks to bring to the table and before he realises the awesome life available to him by staying single.

Bingo. I prey every night that young guys find this site, and I do my best to lead them to it.
I got story like a lot of you guys….I knew something was very wrong, and thought I was just looking in all the wrong places. After reading Esther Vilar, the threads on these pages and looking back, it all made sense. Kind of like early medicine, Lister introduced antisepsis procedures in the 1870’s. From Lister, you got Listerine and the concept of “germs”. No s~~~, MGTOW was like a switch that was turned on, so thank you!

When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.

[Anonymous 54]

I wasnt suggesting any one get married ! Hah. I remember when they changed thoses laws. I knew it was over.

[Anonymous 2]

shovelheadrider wrote:

Siting in a bar buying a women drinks? Many woman are crazy to tell you feminist plans for you.The greed in them will tell you what you ant to hear while you spend money on her.Women do not wast time on men for no reason.Playing a beta till Chad comes by and steals her away from you.Trolling for drinks S.O.P. while scouting for prey.In that time,she has found out what car you drive,your job/earning potential etc.She spouts I am not like other women and likes she has.Bar Hogs were the first card reader.She has obtained enough information to know if you were exceptionable prey or a place to sit while waiting for prey.
“A man’s face is his autobiography. A woman’s face is her work of fiction”;Oscar Wyld

I don’t buy women drinks. I was at the pub playing in a session and was talking to her between sets. It was a brief conversation, and never got to the “I’m not like other women” bullocks. When you are a musician playing in a session, a lot of times people will come up to you during breaks between sets and start conversations with you. I’ve had discussions on pretty much every topic under the sun in between sets at sessions.

Either way, she’s just a woman longing for traditionalism to come back so that women can still have their special treatment, but men will go back to being the traditional manly man, and not a bunch of manginas that allow women to walk all over them. That’s what anti-feminist women really want. They still want the disposable male, they just don’t want the pussified mangina disposable male of modern times. They want the man that will live up to all the traditional gender roles, so she can go back to being the one staying at home and doing nothing while she leeches off of his hard work. They’ve realized that being in the workplace sucks, and housework is a f~~~ing breeze in comparison. They realize that the old deal was golden for women and they want it back. Now, it’s too f~~~ing late. Feminists have destroyed any chance of that happening.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

You can’t un-ring a bell.

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[sidecarParticipant 35837]

NotMyProblem wrote:

Personally I’d like to see a scenario where a Man and Women can draft a custom legal document, where they can negotiate the terms as they see fit prior to engagement…

It would never be enforced, so why bother?

Marriage in any form is a raw deal for men anyways. It’s not about love or commitment or romance or partnership or family or any of the lies used to sell it to men. It has never, ever been more than a contract for the exchange of property. Your property. To her.

There are literally no benefits in marriage for a man that he cannot already get without the marriage. So why marry at all? If a woman is not providing you any benefits for having her around, just leave her and Go Your Own Way. You can do that if you haven’t foolishly signed any foolish contracts, even ones you’ve made up yourself.

Anonymous wrote:

But the question then arises – where goes propagation of our species?

Who cares? The moment the courts took men’s reproductive and paternal rights away with that “tender years” bulls~~~ and “her sole right to choose but his sole responsibility to pay” the reproduction of the species ceased to be our concern. That is not our problem any more.

Anonymous wrote:

Mgtow is an ideology that nature dictates must remain in subsets of human population. There will always be blue pilled men being plow horses. And I believe women know that.

But will there be enough? You will never get rid of all the fools, but when enough would-be slaves see the benefits of Going Their Own Way, will women be able to stop them leaving? And the more they squeeze the few remaining blue pill fools, the more of them are going to wake the f~~~ up and walk the f~~~ away.

See this has nothing to do with men, not even blue pill men. It has everything to do with women and the fact that, quite frankly, women have absolutely nothing to offer men any more to make it worthwhile to stay with them. So long as women don’t have anything real to offer men in marriage, marriage will continue to die, and good riddance. The institution has been coasting on nothing but deceptive marketing for centuries, and they have no inclination for changing that. Instead they simply try to do as they always have done, and blame men, who are not the problem, for the collapse of marriage. Good luck with that.

[joetechParticipant]

It will be interesting to see where the men’s movement is in ten years. As more women catch up to men in suicide, drug addiction and unemployment, they’re bound to pull their heads out of their asses long enough to realize something’s wrong. And women learn a lot from their kids. “If dad had been here this wouldn’t have happened.” So, why isn’t daddy around…mommy threw him away. Children grow into adults…and they remember. When they’re teenagers…they remind you, don’t they ladies? Let’s see where the traditional roles end up in ten years. I think change is closer than they all think.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[shovelheadriderParticipant 2400]

joetech wrote:

they’re bound to pull their heads out of their asses long enough to realize something’s wrong.

I am not betting on it

[joetechParticipant]

LOL! I understand your skepticism. I’m already amazed at how s~~~ty things are now. I an see them getting worse before they get better.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

There are a lot of blue pill manginas out there.

In my opinion, I think women won’t have a lot of trouble returning to traditionalism. Women can usually snag a beta wallet, even if the women are whales. Even if she is not attracted to the beta wallet, she will go along for the easy life and bang the alpha males on the side.

When will the slaves have enough? Good question.
I’m just happy that my brothers and I are off the plantation.

I think Murph is right. Women still want disposable males. But women don’t want manginas, they want the traditional males they can trick into working hard so they can stay home and eat Bon Bons.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

There’s no need of having a majority of men GTOW for severely screwing women:
With about 10% or even 15% men GTOW women barely notice it, most don’t even notice it.
When men GTOW reach about 20% then women begin to feel pressure.
When about a 1-in-3 men are GTOW then women are screwed.

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[shovelheadriderParticipant 2400]

Eric Lauder wrote:

With about 10% or even 15% men GTOW women barely notice it

G3 Feminize want to stifle any descent

[AntipathyParticipant 4901]

I don’t mean to kill optimism, but i don’t see any positive change coming. Even if things returned to the past, marriage and dating was still a s~~~ty deal for men. Even if women realized they are the problem, and the cause for more and more men going their own way, what could possibly change for the better ?

I for one plan on staying single for life. Females have a nature built into their dna, into their genetics, and that doesn’t change. As far as marriage laws, divorce laws, child custody laws, even if those went back to being equal, overall the male still gets the s~~~ty end of the deal known as traditionalism.

[The Laughing ManParticipant 1020]

I thought what I'd do was I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes...or should I?

[narwhalParticipant]

I’m sure I’m repeating, but women failed to see the negative consequences when they opted for feminism.

1 – They fundamentally changed the economy, making it much more difficult for a man to support a family on his own. Women thought they could work or not work as they pleased. Now they must work…or steal as the case often is.

2 – They thought by delaying marriage, men would still be there waiting for them. They did not realize that while they were getting their life experiences, so were the men. They were learning that women were not worth their time.

3 – By bullying men in to doing housework, men learned that housework is not all that much work. It’s even less work if a woman isn’t around to make a mess.

4 – By popularizing divorce and taking custody of kids, they greatly lowered the desire of men to get married.

5 – By giving the milk away for free, no one is buying anymore.

6 – By treating men as second class citizens, men prefer to avoid women.

7 – Traditionalism doesn’t work as an optional way of life. It’s all or none. You can’t be a stay at home mom and have the income of a dual income family. You cannot have traditionalism, yet co-lead the family. You cannot have traditionalism, yet have access to no fault divorce.

Feminists got everything they wanted, but never considered the consequences of their actions. No one knows what the future will be like, but a return to traditionalism is almost impossible without a complete return to the dark ages. It seems most likely to me that women will return to a sort of second class citizen due to their inability to perform at the same level of men, and they will have no one to blame but themselves.

Ok. Then do it.

[Anonymous 54]

narwhal wrote:

I’m sure I’m repeating, but women failed to see the negative consequences when they opted for feminism.

1 – They fundamentally changed the economy, making it much more difficult for a man to support a family on his own. Women thought they could work or not work as they pleased. Now they must work…or steal as the case often is.

2 – They thought by delaying marriage, men would still be there waiting for them. They did not realize that while they were getting their life experiences, so were the men. They were learning that women were not worth their time.

3 – By bullying men in to doing housework, men learned that housework is not all that much work. It’s even less work if a woman isn’t around to make a mess.

4 – By popularizing divorce and taking custody of kids, they greatly lowered the desire of men to get married.

5 – By giving the milk away for free, no one is buying anymore.

6 – By treating men as second class citizens, men prefer to avoid women.

7 – Traditionalism doesn’t work as an optional way of life. It’s all or none. You can’t be a stay at home mom and have the income of a dual income family. You cannot have traditionalism, yet co-lead the family. You cannot have traditionalism, yet have access to no fault divorce.

Feminists got everything they wanted, but never considered the consequences of their actions. No one knows what the future will be like, but a return to traditionalism is almost impossible without a complete return to the dark ages. It seems most likely to me that women will return to a sort of second class citizen due to their inability to perform at the same level of men, and they will have no one to blame but themselves.

Nailed it.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

narwhal wrote:

It seems most likely to me that women will return to a sort of second class citizen due to their inability to perform at the same level of men,

Return to? The same generation of women that brought us feminism weren’t second class citizens, they were the privileged class. I think we all know the deal…my grandparents for example predated feminism a bit, but my grandmother got to be a stay at home while my grandfather worked some crappy jobs I’m glad I never had to do, like the years he spent as a coal miner before they moved up north. He eventually died probably a solid 10-15 years earlier than he otherwise would have due to work related illness. If money wasn’t and issue and you were given the choice between raising your kids or working in a coal mine, probably about 100 out of 100 people would opt to stay at home with the kids.

[Anonymous 54]

Hey guys ,old guy info here… Back in the day ,if a guys wife wanted to work, it was considered shameful to the husband. It told the world he was not cutting it as the provider.Just a cultural note from the prehistoric days of my youth !hah

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

I like this thread, I could go for hours on this topic and why its moot.

Antipathy wrote:

I for one plan on staying single for life. Females have a nature built into their dna, into their genetics, and that doesn’t change. As far as marriage laws, divorce laws, child custody laws, even if those went back to being equal, overall the male still gets the s~~~ty end of the deal known as traditionalism.

I think it’s impossible to get back in to this game, because it is s~~~ and always was. You stated it perfectly as if you were reading my mind. Man, respect.

Unless, I stop respecting myself or caring about my own life enough and consider gambling (chance) and sacrificing much of my time, income and serenity with some NawaltUnicorn (that I would need to find first and waste time) to have a child at some point AND/OR let’s get even more materialistic, I get a juicy dowry with this Nawalt, let’s say 2 millions.

Only then I would consider sticking my c~~~ in to a nawalt-unicorn. And Im not even counting on good looks, just decent enough to get a hard-on. Im talking about a NAWALT-Unicorn that can love you back and stay loyal, now that’s f~~~ing rare in my generation.

Mind you, Im not even living in USA, Im from Latvia (EU’s s~~~hole, as long as we have green forests here and peace, I like it). But the Hypergamy is here aswell, you bet.

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