Women DON'T love you

[AlmostNiceGuyParticipant 210]

Just as we all knew, this video popped into my youtube suggestions.

Great video, just a tad long.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I haven’t seen the video yet but I can already guess at the conclusion: men love females for what they ARE because of our biological attraction to a female’s physical form whereas females love men for what we can DO because of their biological attraction to a man’s ability to protect and provide for them and their offspring.

It’s basic biological determinism except that it implies a man’s love is more pure and fundamental whereas a female’s love is self-serving and false.

My take is that a female’s drive for security and provision is no less natural and pure than a man’s drive for sexual conquest. They are fundamentally equal, opposite and, more importantly, complimentary. A man who feels cheated because a female leaves him for a more successful, more powerful or more capable provider man will call her hypergamistic and say she is evil for caring only about her needs and not loving him for what he is… but that’s about as rational and likely as a female being angry at a man who goes for a hotter, younger female thinking he should sacrifice his natural drives and continue to love her for her physical strength and financial success.

No, females do not love us for the sexual attractiveness of our physical bodies any more than we love them for their intellect, ambition and domination of the natural world… and I say thank goodness for that because it would be entirely contrary to reality. We men are supposed to be the rational ones here and we should be able to see and accept the reality of gender differences and the power of playing to our strengths, not expecting to be rewarded for our weaknesses. The only kind of man who could assert that females should desire him for being a beautiful loser… well I don’t think I even need to finish that sentence, it’s such feminized thinking that I can’t imagine any self respecting man being able to think it at all.

[DakotaParticipant 341]

If I were KING, I would decree that every child be required to read, memorize, explain and present Doc’s post verbatim at least every year.  Men especially, need to stop refusing to understand these basic concepts while playing the victim.  Humanity has slowly drifted away from reality, and it’s sad/embarrassing.

If your gal cheats on you with a richer, more capable man, that’s how it’s supposed to work!

If you cheat on your gal with a younger, hotter girl, that’s how it’s supposed to work!

“Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down, the medicine go down, the medicine go down…In a most delightful way.”   -Mary Poppins

[FreemanParticipant 3]

I don’t really know if this ‘women don’t love you’ stuff is true… I always felt pretty well loved by the ladies I hitherto used to call my girlfriends……..But then my trick was quality not quantity…. There are insensitive assholes everywhere…..men and women…. if you approach women like a trawler fisherman then you’re gonna catch all sorts of weird s~~~ in that net.

I’ve always been a line-man. Just get the occasional bite and real ’em im. Or sometimes they reel me in….

But I’m nearly forty, all my girlfriends I’ve always ended up living with one way or another…. 1-2 years…. then it starts to wear thin….and the irritations start to take over.

I’m MGTOW not because I’ve been hurt by women, nor been robbed or cheated by them: generally my partners have treat me as well as I have treat them, but because I simply realise that I can do better things on my own and I always found that a woman never really understood me…. perhaps this is the problem, a woman wants to know as much from a man as she needs to know, but a man surely wants a woman to understand him as he understands himself.

I realised basically that it’s pointless spending time, attention and giving love to someone who will never really understand me, and won’t really seek to try that hard…. It’s almost as if some things pass beyond their understanding or interest….

 

 

 

 

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Freeman wrote:

I always felt pretty well loved by the ladies I hitherto used to call my girlfriends

You may feel that, but do you know it? How would you know the difference between a woman loving you and merely loving what she hopes you will do for her? Women are very good at pretending one is the other. Why aren’t you still in a relationship with any of them? You are still you. If they really loved you, why are they not still with you?

But then my trick was quality not quantity…

Or at least more capable dissemblers not less capable.

But I’m nearly forty, all my girlfriends I’ve always ended up living with one way or another…. 1-2 years…. then it starts to wear thin….and the irritations start to take over.

Yeah, 1-2 years is the usual time it takes for a woman to work out she’s not getting a man’s stuff. Part of the relationship souring process is her slow realization of that fact.

I always found that a woman never really understood me

Oh, I’m willing to bet they understood you quite well. They just didn’t care.

To their thinking the relationships were all about them. Their wants, their concerns. Your wants and concerns were of no matter to them. Sure at first they might have payed lip service, but eventually she stops bothering. That’s the earlier part of the relationship souring process. First she thinks she has you, so she stops trying earn you. Then she realizes she doesn’t, so she thinks you have somehow denied her something she deserves.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Freeman wrote:

I don’t really know if this ‘women don’t love you’ stuff is true…

It’s true. They love what you can do for them. Let the well of provision dry up and watch what happens. You don’t even need to be her boyfriend or husband. Just be some guy in her orbiting sphere. Some guys provide attention. Some guys are there for her when she needs a date on national holidays. Some guys are in her Facebook friends bin to “like” every picture she posts and comment every time she changes her status. Some guys are the sucker who will dance with her when nobody else is asking. Some guys will be there to console her when her current asshole guy she is f~~~ing treats her like s~~~. Some guys will “be there for her” when she calls because something went bump in the night. And some guys are the shoulder to cry on who will come to when she needs to be told she doesn’t look fat.

Whatever you provide…. let the well dry up and watch what happens.
Just suddenly turn off the tap and witness her reaction and behavior.

She will not be calling to ask you how you’re doing or to wish you happy birthday.
She will ask “what’s wrong?” and want to know why you’re not providing it anymore.

If you’re her boyfriend, propose marriage with a ring where nobody can see the diamond, and she won’t be pleased.
No matter how much you love her and what you do for her.

Women don’t love you. They want you to love THEM. We know this by the way they speak about “love”. Love is an overwhelming desire to GIVE. For women, love is an overwhelming desire to GET. And when they are not GETTING …they are miserable.

• “Let love come to you”
• “I wonder when I will find love”
• Even Celine Dion sings: “Love comes to those who believe it”

All bulls~~~ spoken and sung by females who have no concept of the word. Love does not COME to you. It is what you GIVE – even when it doesn’t come back to you. The people we love the most are those we give the most to. For women, love is only what she GETS. Women think love is a lottery win and something they “find”. They are passive about it. They sit back and wait for love to come to them. And you – the man – are expected to give it to her, or no love will exist.

Women are like one of those sword-sharpening wheels. When you – the man – pushes your foot and pumps the pedal, you will see action and even sparks! But release your foot from the pedal, stop pumping and nothing will ever happen. Women don’t love you. They are relying on you to do all the work, and pump the pedal. When you stop giving, putting effort and energy in, “love” doesn’t exist.

I’m not suggesting women are not reciprocal.
Im saying, remove your foot from the pedal and see what happens.

Then you will see it’s true. Women don’t love you. They only love what you can do for them.
Like that otherwise useless sharpening tool, they are designed only to RESPOND to the action you apply.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[ManocalypseParticipant 321]

Sad but true, KM, sad but true…

[Soul ManParticipant 1856]

<sarcasm>Nooooooo! Say it ain’t so! </sarcasm>

I might be a little slow sometimes but two failed marriages drove home the harsh reality that women don’t love me.

HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...

[FreemanParticipant 3]

Well I’m sorry to hear that.

I guess maybe I was one of the lucky ones…….

BUT…. I dunno I’ve seen best mates go nuts at each other after 2 months of living together.

It’s not the women themselves or their nature but this rotten bloody society that has been cooked up for us over the years….

C’mon, you can’t shut two people up together, pile stress on them, bills, taxes, media fears, angst… this world is the cause of the problems between men and women, and it couldn’t have been planned any better to ruin man-woman human relationships. In fact I think this is exactly what they had planned all along.

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

“They” have no foot in your personal life. I don’t blame “they” for it not working out between two people – and neither can you, really. Im talking about inherent biology and hardwiring. Not external factors and variables. You can take man and woman on a deserted island with no influence from stress, TV, the media, government, bills, taxes, etc…. and the dynamic will be the same.

You will do all the work, and she will EXPECT you to do all the work.

When she’s thirsty, she will expect him to climb the f~~~ing coconut tree and find a way to crack it open for her. If he were to refuse to do it, the next thunderclap he would hear is the sound of her vagina closing to him forever. I remain eternally convinced “the creator” made man and woman as they are …. and he’s looking down on the world laughing his sick motherf~~~ing ass off.

Where men and women are concerned, nature certainly has a twisted sense of humor.

Social engineers have nothing to do with *making* women as they are on this topic.
But they DEFINITELY exploit female nature for profit.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Freeman wrote:

I guess maybe I was one of the lucky ones…….

I’m still leaning towards oblivious. Though you sure seem to be lucky in that you never signed on the bottom line, so be thankful for that.

You need to understand that you don’t meet a woman for real until after you’ve married her or she otherwise thinks she has you under her thumb. Since you never committed to those girls you’ve only ever met their pre-committment personae. You’re still basing your opinion of them on their advertising, not their reality.

Freeman wrote:

It’s not the women themselves or their nature but this rotten bloody society that has been cooked up for us over the years….

No, it really IS the women themselves. And it IS their nature. This bloody rotten society is so bloody and rotten specifically because it was cooked up to SERVE women and their bloody rotten nature.

Society doesn’t make women bad. Women make for a bad society. If you look at history, the only successful societies long term were the ones that reigned in feminine greed and selfishness.

[Soul ManParticipant 1856]

Nobody “makes” another adult do anything. On the whole an adult, in theory, should know right from wrong. I guess women aren’t adults then.

Just because one can do something doesn’t mean one should do it…especially when it comes to f~~~ing someone over. But apparently the Law of Karma is lost on at least 50% of the population.

HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...

[AlmostNiceGuyParticipant 210]

I concur, it is IN THEIR NATURE. Men are naturally polygamous, women are naturally hypergamous. You can argue it, but you can’t really debate nature. You can’t blame the caretaker of a lion, for hunting and eating a gazelle, it is just their instincts kicking in.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

A woman has a choice. She doesn’t need to fleece the man she once pretended to “love” out of 80% of his f~~~ing assets and leave her husband homeless. She will steal and destroy with no thought for anyone but herself. No woman needs $7,000 a month in child support… or send a hand written check for NINE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY FIVE MILLION $$$$ back while telling him it’s “not enough”.

http://www.businessinsider.com/r-harold-hamm-offers-975-million-divorce-check-ex-wife-rejects-it-2015-1

Women don’t give a F~~~ – and they sure as hell don’t “love” you. You won’t ever see any man’s ex-wife tell the judge “NO you’re honor!. I know you awarded me 50 million, but I refuse to take it. Ten million is plenty and FAR more than I deserve. Thank you very much, But I will refuse to take it and no matter what you reward me, I will give him $40 million back. Honey, I’m sorry it didn’t work out. Thank you SO much for the $10 million. Is there ANYTHING I can do for you. Is there anything you want? A boat a car? A house? Something kind of parting gift I can thank you with? I wish you every happiness for your future.”

.. said no woman ever.

Forget “love”. She doesn’t even have gratitude or kindness!

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A woman who did that would set a precedent and will permanently change the western legal system forever. She could single-handedly RIP ALL POWER away from the courts. But none of them ever will, because the legal system knows they are all greedy selfish parasites who will take the very last drop of blood and think it’s their “right” to do so. And this is from men they pretended to “love” and swore in front of 200 of their friends and family in some totally fraudulent emotional masturbation ritual they call a “wedding”.

Women “love” men is a joke without a punchline.
A woman destroying and killing her husband is a staple of f~~~ing comedy.

Someone tell me “women are capable of love” again. Please.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

Hmm, the very core message of this thread which KM ever so neatly elaborated by coinsidence is also the underlying message of the book, that I am still in the process of translating from German into English. Meanwhile I am progressing quite nicely with it and I am still trying my best to contact the female author of the book, who I hopefully may be able to prepare a deal with in my efforts, the very bate for her being that she could sell it bigtime amongst us internationally and may even eventually re-release it again in Germany…

Stay tuned, gents…

Best

 

Ned. T.

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I’ll come back to this to add one more thing…

For a man to say “She doesn’t love ME, she loves what I can DO.” is ludicrous not because it is so obviously contrary to the reality of what female love is all about, but because it’s blatantly contrary to what MALE IDENTITY is about as well.

Females don’t just love us for our utility value because they’re selfish, they love us for that because that’s WHAT WE LOVE OURSELVES for. Be honest with yourself… as a man, do you honestly sit around thinking about how your life is important and valuable because of the meat sack you’re wearing… or do you feel it is so because of your ambitions, aspirations and achievements? Certainly a female sees those for what they can do for her but that does not change the fact that we judge and value ourselves based on our power, success and wealth as part of our biological drive and know in our guts that our ability to exercise on our drive to mate with as many females as possible is based on these things.

A man who says “She doesn’t love me for who I am, only for what I can do.” is like a bridge being sad because nobody cares what color it is. So long as the cars keep rolling across, it doesn’t matter what color the bridge is. The Golden Gate is the color it is because that’s the color of the cheapest no-rust paint. It happens to be a beautiful and elegant bridge and that makes it a pleasure to drive across, sure… but I bet if it fell into the bay tomorrow, they’d build another, bigger and stronger bridge with two decks and a rail line and the traffic would keep on flowing.

Guys, we don’t have to see ourselves exclusively as utilities for society… we can be appreciated, and appreciate ourselves, for being more than useful… but that doesn’t change biology. At the end of the day, we are still men and our strength, skill and ambition is still what defines us, both to females and to ourselves. When I hear a guy complain that this is somehow a fault of females and unfair to men, it sounds the same in my ears as an obese woman lying on the couch, eating chocolates and talking about fat acceptance. “How dare they only want me for what I AM?! Look at all the things I can DO!” Sorry, it sucks for you… but nobody cares, sweetheart.

[mgtow_85Participant 752]

Women DON’T love you.

Because love is a HUMAN emotion.

They love the attention…or they CRAVE it anyway. And the money that you can provide for them to spend at their own leisure. You don’t make enough? She’s not happy. BOOM. Divorce court! And you get to keep on paying her huge amounts of alimony/child support as if you were still married to her because she needs to be taken care of. SHE gave up her job for YOU once you got married, or so they say. They just don’t want to admit that they quit their job because they didn’t want to be part of the working rat race anymore now that they have another source of income coming in so they can sit on their asses and not having to do jack s~~~ for it.

Women are attention whores and money-grubbers. That’s all they want out of a marriage. Women naturally hate men. I think that hatred is just in their genes. It’s a WOMAN thing to hate and disrespect men. So why should we worry about looking after them?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Stargazer wrote:

A man who says “She doesn’t love me for who I am, only for what I can do” is like a bridge being sad because nobody cares what color it is. Guys, we don’t have to see ourselves exclusively as utilities for society… we can be appreciated, and appreciate ourselves, for being more than useful… but that doesn’t change biology. At the end of the day, we are still men and our strength, skill and ambition is still what defines us, both to females and to ourselves. When I hear a guy complain that this is somehow a fault of females and unfair to men, it sounds the same in my ears as an obese woman lying on the couch, eating chocolates and talking about fat acceptance.

Thats’ an excellent argument. Probably the best I ever heard on this topic.

BUT(!!)… if a man thinks his inherent personhood in this world matters, he is SORELY mistaken.

And that’s what we’re talking about. I understand your point, Doc. It’s like when an attractive women bitches because men only walk up to her (but not her friends) simply because she’s good looking……… and she’s got no business being p~~~ed off about it, because THERE REALLY IS NO OTHER REASON TO CROSS THE ROOM TO TALK TO A CHICK.

I get it about the bridge, but men are falsely misled to think they matter as a human being. The world would be doing men a huge favor if it just came straight out told us “Just shut the f~~~ up, you’re a wallet, a non-entity, a disposable utility and THAT’S ALL YOU MEAN TO ME. Accept it.”. This would answer so many questions men have.

Other Examples:

• “You’re a great guy, but you just don’t do it for me. I don’t think it’s going work. You’re just too nice!!”.
TRANSLATION: You need to make more money and start treating me like s~~~. Then I will respect and f~~~ you.

• “I believe in romance! “.
TRANSLATION: The more you spend on me, you f~~~ing wallet, the more blowjobs you will get because I am a f~~~ing prostitute who sucks the highest bidder.

• “I want a relationship / wedding”.
TRANSLATION: It’s all about ME and your wants, desires and dreams don’t mean s~~~, you asshole.

• “I love a man in uniform. A man should be a strong hero”.
TRANSLATION: Go die in a war and take a bullet to keep me in my cushy life even though you mean nothing to me. And if you refuse, you’re a f~~~ing COWARD. And no I will not f~~~ you, you white male entitlement misogynist.

• “You just haven’t met the right women. It’s about LOVE and marriage and two people sharing their lives……”.
TRANSLATION: I want at least 50% of your assets. Hand them over or I will use the law to steal them using any means at my disposal. I don’t f~~~ing care if it kills you either, or if you’re not really the father of my bastard child. You will pay , you worthless piece of s~~~.

How awesome would it be to know this as early in life as possible?

If women (and the world) were direct in letting men know their exact roles in society and how the world looks at them/us – instead of LYING through their f~~~ing teeth – this thread wouldn’t even need to exist. This is why The Manipulated Man was such a favor on behalf of Esther Vilar because not enough men know this. They don’t understand: “I am a worthless wallet and utility that will be discarded & disposed of when I no longer provide the utility. She doesn’t love me for me, she only loves what I can do for her.”. This reality smacks alot of men very hard and many years too late. If only they knew it sooner, they could accept, adapt and all their questions on WHY (women behave the way they do) would be answered.

He is now armed with the tools and ability to know EXACTLY what’s going on.

Stargazer wrote:

A man who says “She doesn’t love me for who I am, only for what I can do” is like a bridge being sad because nobody cares what color it is.

Nah, he’s just a man fully aware of his role in society, how women (and the world) look at him, and he’s passing on the knowledge to others who haven’t learned it yet. Those guys still listen and think women (and the world) care.

I only wish I knew it when I was 17.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

Women don’t want love, they want to be worshiped!

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[Anonymous 42]

Where is there room for love when a woman is self infatuated as some kind of mythical princess?

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