Women and their lack of respect for you or your work

[JackinovParticipant 5229]

OldBill wrote:

StargateSG wrote:

So my mother…

Why are you living with your mother? How can you be a man going your own way if someone else is providing you with shelter? You’re under someone’s roof, so they get to set the rules. If one of the rules is busting your b~~~~ for being parked in front of your keyboard all day, then that’s their prerogative. If you don’t like that rule, become an adult and move out.
Assuming you’re between semesters in college, why aren’t you working? And by working I don’t mean teaching yourself a little bit about web design, animation, and coding during your “vacation” for no pay. Why aren’t you out earning any money for your upcoming semester? Why aren’t you out earning money so you can move out of your mother’s house?
You’re still under your mother’s roof, that’s why she shows you no respect.

Valid points.

1. I JUST turned 18

2. I’ve submitted, to date, 47 jobs applications, for everything from minimum wage to what my skill-set is actually worth. 47 application submitted, 47 rejected in the space of 2 months. A bit under 1 application a day. That’s not even counting the months before that.

3. Even though I am still under “her” roof, that is paid for by MY social security. She’s not working either, the money she spend each month is MINE and for me. So technically, it’s my roof.

4. This c~~~ is BITCHING about NOTHING. She has absolutely NO goddamn reason to be talking to me. There are NO problems, except the ones she tries to make. She’s not doing S~~~ with her life except trying to a make others lives HARDER. This f~~~ing hypocrite doesn’t even abide by her own damn rules. “Be off the computer by 12, don’t take naps during the daytime, be up by yada yada yada”, when she sits in front of the f~~~ing tv until 2-3am, on a bed that is in her bedroom, and is almost never active by 9am.

She is not busting my b~~~~, THIS BITCH IS MAKING FUN OF ME DOING THINGS SHE IS TOO F~~~ING STUPID TO COMPREHEND THE SCALE OF IN TODAY’S SOCIETY.

5. “A little bit about web-design”? Sir, I have gone from knowing JACK-S~~~ about how to put a website up, buy a domain, etc, to being able to do it on a whim. I have gone from knowing JACK-S~~~ about 2d and 3d animation to being able to do it on a whim. I have gone from knowing NOTHING about programming to being able to code just about anything I want.

6. 47 job applications rejected, and 23 apartment applications rejected as well.

So no, I’m not the type of person to complain about a situation I’ve done nothing to change. I’m the type to start getting REAL f~~~ing tired of it after and while I’m doing everything to change it.

I am not “teaching myself” a little bit about web design, animation, and coding during my “vacation” for no pay”. I’m putting these skills into a BUSINESS that we have officially registered, and now have 10 potential customers we’ve made contact with. I saw this s~~~ coming. I knew/know that getting a job would take a while, and once you get it, no guarantee you’ll keep it. So, I decided to arm myself with skills that, once I develop them properly, would come into their own. I will get a job only to carry over until my business does or does not work. If it does not work, I try again and keep my job. If it does, I quit the job. Simple as that.

are you a chia pet in man drag

[OldBillParticipant]

Transactionary wrote:

Excuses?

Yup.

Are you even familiar with the current economic reality of the United States for the working class presently? (snip of more whining)

I lost a 12 year job in ’98 as part of lay-offs after a merger. I didn’t have another full time job – that is a job without an end date and with benefits – until 2011. I went through the Dot Bomb Bust and the Great Recession as either a temp or contractor. There’s nothing you can tell me about the economic reality of the United States.

Keep in mind here I was only implying some slack for SG.

I assumed he was a college student on his summer break and I was wrong in that assumption.

I don’t think you understand just how much of a nightmare this consumer globalist economy really is under the North American Free Trade Union and very soon to be the Pacific Trade Partnership.

Believe me, my masters degree means I understand just what NAFTA did and PTT will do far better than you.

The much younger generations have inherited a nice pile of s~~~ from the previous generation’s apathetic political and social ineptitude.

I’m at the tail end of the Baby Boom and I’ve been handed the same pile of s~~~ you Gen X and Millennials are whining about. There will be no Social Security for me and I’ll be taxed to support for single moms and their f~~~ed up children ’til the day I die. .

Near Glacier National Park, eh? You wouldn’t be talking about Kalispell, Montana, would you? Funny, I lived there three months and couldn’t find any work for the life of me.

I got that job through the summer job office at my college back in the early 80s. I used it as an example of how college students get help to find good jobs during their summer break. I had classmates who worked on oil rigs while others worked in offices. Sadly, SG doesn’t have access to that.

Seventeen to eighteen dollars a hour you say, never in my whole life heard of a warehouse job paying that much and I’ve lived in nine different states travelling through twenty nine.

Come to New Hampshire’s seacoast region. I’ve a client that repairs cable boxes and they cannot keep people in their logistics department. They hire through a temp agency, bump the hourly rate after 90 days, and bump it again after 6 months. I visit every other week or so and see new faces every time. They cannot get people who want to work let alone show up every day.

There’s plenty of work if you bother looking for it and sometimes looking for it means moving. You claim to have traveled. Ever visit North Dakota? Williston in particular? The oil boom has slowed a little, but it was white hot less than 18 months ago. Firms were so desperate that you didn’t need any real skills, they’d train you. All you needed to do was be motivated enough and trustworthy enough to show the f~~~ up and do the work. Jobs went begging. I’m in my fifties now and was in my late forties when it took off but even I took a long hard look at moving to Williston. If I wasn’t in the process of being hired for the full time job I have now, I most likely would have gone.

Up in North Dakota they are giving good paying jobs to anyone with a f~~~ing pulse and yet there are millions of whining man-c~~~s squatting in cities from Boston to Baltimore to Detroit to Kansas City and all points west who do nothing but bitch about how they can’t find work. Our fathers, grandfathers, and great-grandfathers moved to where the work was and now we can’t even be bothered. Both my grandfathers and their brothers crossed a f~~~ing ocean to find work, but we’d rather prefer to suck off the government’s tit like some single mom whore.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[OldBillParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Then move to where the work is.

[quote]I had to make my own job to get employed again after I lost my job in a corporate buyout.

I did that for a period until the post-911 spike in air travel costs. After that I couldn’t bid on inspection/QA jobs outside of roughly a 12 hour driving radius, so I invented another job. That one kept me in contracted work until the spate of plant closings in the “Oughts” slowed. After that I temped between contracts. I have a masters and I shoveled snow one week for a day labor agency. It makes me laugh when some entitled c~~~ of either sex complains about “s~~~” jobs not paying “enough”. There’s no such thing as a s~~~ job. You’re either a man who supports yourself or you’re a c~~~ who lives off someone else’s dime.

I know a lot of good hard working men who are struggling.

Mostly because they don’t know how to budget and live frugally. I temped or contracted between ’98 and ’11 all the while adjusting my life to fit my means. I’d made good money in the 90s and was smart enough to bank it. When I wasn’t making good money anymore, I adjusted how I lived. I sold a condo because the monthly association fees were more than an apartment would be. I made a car last 10 years, did whatever maintenance I could myself, and eventually replaced it with a used “econo-box”. I still don’t have a HDTV the size of a barn door, my cell has always been “pay as you go” instead of monthly contract in the hundreds, I don’t have the latest/greatest Xbox, Wii, whatever. I live within my means and a big part of that is because I’m not some mindless consumer.

Those who have never tasted the misfortune of trying to land work in this economy are in for a rude shock if they ever get exposed to it.

It’s a shock you can handle if you really want to.

You still never ever give up though as that is defeat.

Exactly. Make your life fit your means and never give up.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[OldBillParticipant]

Jackinov wrote:

1. I JUST turned 18

My apologies. I assumed you were a college student and we all know what happens when we assume.

2. I’ve submitted, to date, 47 jobs applications, for everything from minimum wage to what my skill-set is actually worth. 47 application submitted, 47 rejected in the space of 2 months. A bit under 1 application a day. That’s not even counting the months before that.

47 applications is nothing. It took me 12 years to find a full time job after a lay off and I have a college education.

3. Even though I am still under “her” roof, that is paid for by MY social security.

So you’re living on my dime instead of your mother’s dime? What’s the f~~~ing difference? Someone else is still picking up the check.

She’s not working either, the money she spend each month is MINE and for me. So technically, it’s my roof.

Your money, your roof, your rules. Tell her to shut the f~~~ up or get the f~~~ out. You’re an adult now. You control your life.

4. This c~~~ is BITCHING about NOTHING.

Again, it’s either GTFO or STFU. Inform her of her choices and then enforce it.

5. “A little bit about web-design”? Sir, I have gone from knowing JACK-S~~~ about how to put a website up, buy a domain, etc, to being able to do it on a whim.

Whoop-de-f~~~ing-doo. All that’s nearly automated these days. You can contact GoDaddy or any of their hundreds of competitors and have some tech rat do it for a pittance. One of 80 year old aunts just had it done for a small town library.

I have gone from knowing JACK-S~~~ about 2d and 3d animation to being able to do it on a whim.

Until someone pays you to do that, it means nothing.

I have gone from knowing NOTHING about programming to being able to code just about anything I want.

Until someone pays you to do that, it means nothing.

Another poster mentioned globalization. You should be aware that all these self-taught skills you’re so proud of can be easily bettered by tens of thousands of English-speaking Indians. Not only can they do the job, they have more support, can do it cheaper, and can provide customer service. They have entire companies behind them while you have a nagging mother.

6. 47 job applications rejected, and 23 apartment applications rejected as well.

Let me guess. No single furnished rooms, no studios, and no roommates. Right? Just a kid recently turned 18 with a monthly Social Security check, with no credit history, and with no real job wanting a two bedroom, two floor townhouse with 1.5 baths? Right?

You’re a kid, you haven’t even voted yet. Find a roommate. Better yet, find some roommates. That’s the fastest way you’ll get away from your mother.

So no, I’m not the type of person to complain about a situation I’ve done nothing to change. I’m the type to start getting REAL f~~~ing tired of it after and while I’m doing everything to change it.

You’re not one to complain and you are trying to change things. What you need to realize is that your plans will most likely fail.

I am not “teaching myself” a little bit about web design, animation, and coding during my “vacation” for no pay”.

You are teaching yourself and no one is paying you to do that.

I’m putting these skills into a BUSINESS that we have officially registered, and now have 10 potential customers we’ve made contact with.

Take this from someone who ran their own consulting business for nearly 4 years: You have no business until someone pays you.

Potential customers don’t mean s~~~. Being officially registered doesn’t mean s~~~.. The only thing that matters is whether you get paid or not. You’re self taught, your “office” is your bedroom, your business “plan” is aimed squarely into the teeth of hundred of actual firms with actual track records, and mommy still sets your curfew. It will not work.

I saw this s~~~ coming. I knew/know that getting a job would take a while, and once you get it, no guarantee you’ll keep it. So, I decided to arm myself with skills that, once I develop them properly, would come into their own. I will get a job only to carry over until my business does or does not work. If it does not work, I try again and keep my job. If it does, I quit the job. Simple as that.

I’m glad you had that foresight, I’m glad you made a plan, I’m glad you developed some skills, and I’m glad you’re keeping your options open.

You now need to show the same foresight, planning, and motivation to figure out what you’re going to do when this idea fails because it will fail.

Focus on moving out first. Find some roommates and get away. Get settled and then get whatever training or education you can.

Good luck.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[JackinovParticipant 5229]

My apologies. I assumed you were a college student and we all know what happens when we assume.

That’s fine.

47 applications is nothing. It took me 12 years to find a full time job after a lay off and I have a college education.

It seems as if you think I’m complaining about not having work yet.

So you’re living on my dime instead of your mother’s dime? What’s the f~~~ing difference? Someone else is still picking up the check.

I didn’t ask to be on f~~~ing social security. I doesn’t even really know why I’m getting it. The f~~~ing difference is that it’s not this c~~~’s money, it’s mine. The government we work for, that we pay taxes to, has for some reason decided to give money to me. I didn’t ask for it or expect it.

Your money, your roof, your rules. Tell her to shut the f~~~ up or get the f~~~ out. You’re an adult now. You control your life.

A couple days ago I did lay down what I would and wouldn’t be doing. That has shut her up momentarily, yes. Of course, yes, I am still going to get the f~~~ away ASAP.

Again, it’s either GTFO or STFU. Inform her of her choices and then enforce it.

She was.

Whoop-de-f~~~ing-doo. All that’s nearly automated these days. You can contact GoDaddy or any of their hundreds of competitors and have some tech rat do it for a pittance. One of 80 year old aunts just had it done for a small town library.

True, but for some reason, the business owners around me aren’t smart enough to do that. I really don’t know why. But I’m (we’re) targeting the ones not proactive enough to do a little bit of research, and there are a LOT in my area.

Until someone pays you to do that, it means nothing.

True. Although animation is a personal interest, of course, I still need actual cash to live.

Another poster mentioned globalization. You should be aware that all these self-taught skills you’re so proud of can be easily bettered by tens of thousands of English-speaking Indians. Not only can they do the job, they have more support, can do it cheaper, and can provide customer service. They have entire companies behind them while you have a nagging mother.

Makes sense, but that would be applicable if our only selling point was, “Hey look, we can build you a website”. We know that is far from being anything new or hard to obtain.

Let me guess. No single furnished rooms, no studios, and no roommates. Right? Just a kid recently turned 18 with a monthly Social Security check, with no credit history, and with no real job wanting a two bedroom, two floor townhouse with 1.5 baths? Right?

You’re a kid, you haven’t even voted yet. Find a roommate. Better yet, find some roommates. That’s the fastest way you’ll get away from your mother.

Nope, nope, and nope. All I’m trying to obtain is a 0 1 bedroom/1 Bath apartment. I’ve tried/am trying roommates, but they are never reliable; whether it’s not calling me back to not showing up to meet.

You’re not one to complain and you are trying to change things. What you need to realize is that your plans will most likely fail.

Already know that.

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I really need to stop editing, and editing, and editing a post a make lol.

I do understand that and will continue moving forward, and as I explained above, she’s finally (momentarily) shut-up.

Thank-you.

are you a chia pet in man drag

[OldBillParticipant]

Jackinov wrote:

Okay…not sure where that was meant to go, and wasn’t exactly on topic, but fine.

I addressed your original topic.

Your mom is busting your b~~~~, treating you like a child, and constantly interfering with what you’re trying to do. You’re trying to start a business and you don’t need her s~~~.

However, you pay all the bills with your government check and you are now an adult.

You need to remind her of the Golden Rule: Who ever has the gold makes the rules.

She either needs to shut the f~~~ up or get the f~~~ out. There are no other options. Shut up or get out.

Be an adult. Be a man. Do what you need to do.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[BlackPillParticipant 319]

Jackinov wrote:

So I’ve been noticing something my whole life. I’m not sure if it’s spoken about in detail, but to clarify, here’s an actual example.
I’ve been taking this bit of summer to enjoy myself and do things I wanted to perfect for myself, things like web-site design, animation, coding, etc.So my mother, who is an endless stream of entertainment, stops every so often and asks “Did that computer absorb you yet”. Now I’ve ceased even responding to that bulls~~~.
Now aside from this, anytime I get something done quickly and efficiently, she picks some bulls~~~ “wrong” with it, and then says, “YOU JUST WANT TO GET BACK TO THAT COMPUTER”. Mhmm.
Now in times of extreme anger, she has LITERALLY said, “YOU”RE NOT GOING TO BE GOOD TO SERVE ANY WOMAN!!”. That is NOT paraphrasing or bulls~~~ting.
So, I was wondering if this…phenomenon is gone over explicitly in any MGTOW writings/books, and if this is part of the overall narcissism they are taught to exhibit. It is true that mainstream idiots look down on “nerds” although “nerds” run the world, and will continue to do so. However, “nerd shaming” is caused by WOMEN. So there’s that.
Please share your experiences with this.

god damn that sounds annoying.

But yes, I have hobbies and am very talented at things but don’t have a “following”. I used to seek validation through them with women but don’t even try anymore because they don’t appreciate your work as much as they appreciate how many OTHERS appreciate it.

[Anonymous 3]

StargateSG, no matter what circumstances you are in, you are a man. You have XY chromosomes. The only thing that I can suggest is, ignore the tradcon rhetoric. I’m surprised actually to find it here on mgtow.com.

If things end up not working for you, change and adapt.

[MotivParticipant 441]

There are no other options. Shut up or get out.
Be an adult. Be a man. Do what you need to do.
[/quote] Your non positive vide is very t~~~ button tempting as it comes across just a little to down putting to me oldbill

Cool story babe now go make me a sandwich

[OldBillParticipant]

Motiv wrote:

Your non positive vide is very t~~~ button tempting as it comes across just a little to down putting to me oldbill

Could you put that in English? I’d like the know what your opinion was.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[MotivParticipant 441]

OldBill wrote:

Motiv wrote:

Your non positive vide is very t~~~ button tempting as it comes across just a little to down putting to me oldbill

Could you put that in English? I’d like the know what your opinion was.

One finds your comments about this gentlemen living arrangements a little on the negative side, What I found myself reading was of the non desirable or not very optimistic for the Gentlemen that finds himself in this position.
Or in plain English you sound like a bit of a t~~~ that feels the need to belittle people.

Cool story babe now go make me a sandwich

[megatoad69Participant 449]

StargateSG should get a lowly graveyard shift janitor job, if you can get your work done quick, you can take long breaks to think about s~~~, you can even think about s~~~ while you mindlessly clean, you don’t have to deal with a lot of people, you may work alone or with a one or two other people, and it’s QUIET! You can even network with people who work at the businesses you clean, you can even get badly needed exercise which will do a guy who sits at a computer all day a world of good for your health and how you feel.
And it pays more than SS.

You can't reason with unreasonable, there; women, figured out, there is nothing to reason.

[OldBillParticipant]

Motiv wrote:

One finds your comments about this gentlemen living arrangements a little on the negative side…

The OP’s own description of his “living arrangements” was negative. He’s paying all the bills, thanks to government hand-outs, and he lets his mother treat him like a child. That needed to be pointed out to him, so I did it.

What I found myself reading was of the non desirable or not very optimistic for the Gentlemen that finds himself in this position.

I told him business plans will most likely fail and that he needs to plan for that failure. He’s 18 and, quite frankly, is pinning all his hopes on something with little chance of success. He might as well be playing the lottery.

Or in plain English you sound like a bit of a t~~~ that feels the need to belittle people.

There’s no need to belittle people, but definitely no need to coddle them either.

This is a forum for men, not women. We need none of that pom-pom waving, ego stroking, head patting, “You go grrrl!, horses~~~ here. We’re men and we tell each other the truth as we see it. No bulls~~~, no coddling, nothing wrapped up in ribbons and bows. If you feel that the truth should be sugar coated, you might still have some sand in your vagina.

Nice chatting.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[OldBillParticipant]

Good suggestion, megatoad. The question now is whether Stargate wants to keep wishing about success or do the actual work necessary.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[MotivParticipant 441]

@oldbill Your comments to this guy is just self boasting s~~~e, “your right hes wrong” You sound like you just preach! and by all means carry on with your telling people what you think is right all you want but please dont expect me to buy your c~~~y bs. If you think thats sugar coating stuff then so be it.
I mean come on, even telling the guy to “man up” you sure you dont want to tell him to “grow a pair” while you are at it?
Im not going to waste my time quoting everything you said, cant be assed with you on it all, but telling the young lad to front up hes mother like you did is dont right dangerous for him in many of ways.

Cool story babe now go make me a sandwich

[OldBillParticipant]

Motiv wrote:

If you think thats sugar coating stuff then so be it.

If you want to hold hands and pat heads, that’s your choice. I’d rather help men grow strong.

Im not going to waste my time quoting everything you said

You already have.

…. but telling the young lad to front up hes mother like you did is dont right dangerous for him in many of ways.

A boy’s best friend is his mother, huh? His mother is a c~~~ who is living off his government hand-outs and who still thinks she can tell him what to do. She needs to put in her place and he needed to know he could put her in her place. I told him what he should do. I told him to start living on his own terms. Of course, I could have just patted his hand, said tsk-tsk, and told him it was going to be alright because the company he’s starting in his bedroom will be the next Microsoft.

Trouble is, I’d rather tell him the truth.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[JackinovParticipant 5229]

What’s real funny OldBill is the fact you think I need someone to tell me my plans will fail. You automatically assumed I was some 18 yr old who lived in the illusion that all my plans would prosper, the world is at my behest, that I’m extra smart, etc, etc., when the opposite was true. I’ve been doing this for around 3-4 years, and I know VERY well that 90% of the things I try WON’T work. I wasn’t looking for a pat on the back or “coddling”. I already know I need to change my situation, however…

The point of the thread was not to complain about my current situation, which isn’t even current anymore. It was actually just an example of what exactly the f~~~ I was talking about, so that other men could share relevant experiences. When Soldier-Medic, stopmockingman, KeyMaster, foolsgold, MGTOW-age, aeragoan, BigD, PreferPeacetoPiece, Deus Ex Machina, InvisibleMan, Burgundy, etc, began sharing their stories and experiences, I thought I had successfully asked my question correctly.

Although, I do see how it could be taken that I was using this thread to complain.

I wasn’t. Point being, I don’t expect anything from life. I definitely don’t expect to get what I work for or put effort into, and I am aware I have to actually “work” for something to even have a chance at getting anywhere or changing anything, and of course, I recognize I don’t need a female dragging my resources and hard work further down into the ground than it already is or will be.

are you a chia pet in man drag

[MotivParticipant 441]

OldBill wrote:

Motiv wrote:

If you think thats sugar coating stuff then so be it.

If you want to hold hands and pat heads, that’s your choice. I’d rather help men grow strong.

Im not going to waste my time quoting everything you said

You already have.

…. but telling the young lad to front up hes mother like you did is dont right dangerous for him in many of ways.

A boy’s best friend is his mother, huh?

Low quality bait. p~~~ off.

Cool story babe now go make me a sandwich

[MotivParticipant 441]

@StargateSG Hi I have a son that has found himself in a situation very much like yours ‘was’ and the advise that was being givin could of got you put in prison if you had followed it and your mother was a bit on the crazy when confronted. Things like quote “Your money, your roof, your rules. Tell her to shut the f~~~ up or get the f~~~ out. You’re an adult now. You control your life” end qoute ..Things are some times alot more complected than this and I could only think of my son telling my x that, f~~~ he would end up on the streets or in prison as she wouldn’t hesitate to call the cops and tell them anything to get back her control,
The other advise I have no problem with but he was giving you the ‘done that been there’ bs along with the “tell your mother your the boss” which I think would just make you homeless, maybe it was the father protection on my part kicking in but I could also see you was also finding it all a bit condescending?
This situation you was in a lot of young men find them selfs in and is something good to discuss but we need to keep things real, young men in the mothers homes cant just start telling their mothers to “shut up or get out” thats crazy talk.
Hope things are much better for you StargateSG and good luck with your future projects and continue with what makes you happy, some of us do find we have to add to the working system to get cash and to make ends to meet but stick with what you want from life and dont be shamed into work you dont want to do just because some other man thinks its the only way in life.
Good luck

Cool story babe now go make me a sandwich

[Anonymous 9]

I’m in a field dominated by women. I don’t care how they feel tbh.

We’re pretty much in the same boat except for the discrepancy in administrative positions which often are held by men.

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