Why young MGTOW cant Marry/Settle Down

[TeddyParticipant 70]

As young men, our focus while in our 20s is to finish school and pay off debts. Once we hit 30 and want to settle down (I will never settle down), most women in their 30+ have children and want to marry. In my opinion, it is hard for men like us to marry/settle down because what type of man will marry a woman with children and he doesn’t have any of his own. How do you guys feel about this problem?

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Every woman on POF that was interested in me was overweight and had 2 to 3 young kids. Also, she didn’t want to have any more.

So she wants me to take on her children but not have any of mine.

So raise and support Chad’s kids but my line ends.

Also, if you get divorced you will be paying child support for Chad’s kids…yes you will.

Also, if she if divorced once, divorcing you is much easier.

I enjoy shopping at thrift stores but I’ll never buy a second hand woman.

PS. These days every woman is second hand goods. And most are used up if not messed up.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

Teddy wrote:

How do you guys feel about this problem?

It may be a problem for the single moms, but not a problem for me. I worked my ass off for what i have, was divorce-raped out of 45% of it. Lesson learned – the financial risks of getting married are high, and present minimal corresponding benefit.

For guys that want to be a father without all that risk (I don’t want & already had a vasectomy), i’d recommend the surrogacy option with exclusive guardianship.

[RoyDalParticipant]

If you want to ensure that your genetic material joins the human race, then find an artificial insemination clinic that is looking for sperm donors.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Maraudrz1Participant 2250]

The problem with sperm donations is you can still become a father and have to pay child support. That is a very risky way to go.

Women's brains and vagina have one thing in common. There is nothing in there until a man puts something in there.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

@roydal,

i wouldn’t

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/23/justice/kansas-sperm-donation/

This one worked out after how many thousands in legal bills.

http://www.sandiegodivorcelawyerblog.com/2012/06/a-california-appellate-court-held.html

Frankly, if women want my sperm, they are going to have to provide a decent ROI.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[Anonymous 18]

Where’s the problem?

The burden is self-selecting itself outside the realms of consideration.

Female nature and marriage logistics come before a man even starts to think of marriage with a long term relationship prospect.

Female nature dictates a man would never rise above his resources and her needs. Especially for a woman in her 30s having tasted many flavor cones. She isn’t looking for love. Just emotional bandaids at that point. With exception of women who have gone for long academic hauls that prevented her settling down. Still c~~~ count matters. Enter betabuck/white Knight/mangina.

Marriage. It’s a hell hole for momentary but receding privileges to use the heaven hole. That has been explored and exploited by numerous candidates who returned and asked for their money back. You wanna be the happy customer buying a refurbished product just because it’s on discount? Discount here in a sense she ‘likes you back, and you are different than the assholes’ she dated in past.

I was watching a show about how horse breeders select for the perfect partners for interbreeding and how some have taken almost a century to master. The perfection is breath taking.

Now consider a single mother. She brings just as much expense as the careful breeding to arrive at perfection. Instead you are getting a massive headache. Most single mothers somehow still deceive themselves as 18 year old tight snatched princesses. Faaaaaaaar from it.

Skip on single mothers and fat women. And don’t consider a woman in her 30s if you are in your early to mid 20s and have more than 5 years of age gap.

Each day gets easier. Find a goal. And score. Let women be spectators at your game. Only after they have paid the fees.

Never settle.

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

Young mgtow like me can’t marry because we don’t want to. I’m also one of those guys that will tell you marriage and mgtow are incompatible. As for the young blue pill guys, I think what you describe makes since. They need to get their financial situation straight so they can be a “real” man and provide for princess. The plantation likes new applicants to prove themselves before allowing them the honor of putting on the shackles.

[Mr. SpockParticipant 10910]

Marriage should never be an option. The risk to reward ratio is ridiculously against you. Throw in an older model with several bags and you are simply a walking ATM machine.
I too went through a divorce and wound up losing 61% of my hard work after all was said and done. I feel fortunate though. I’ve known other people that went through divorce and have read stories on forums like this that say I got off light. Yes, got off light after losing 61% of what I had worked for up until I got a divorce. Imagine how bad the REALLY bad ones are.
Never get married. EVER!

Feminism isn't about equality with men, it's about leverage over men.

[GrumpyParticipant]

I would restate is as SHOULD NOT Marry/settle down. My reasoning will be at the end of my rant.

I recently had a conversation with an 80 year old neighbour after shoveling her walk. ( I really need to stop being nice to some people). The discussion revolved around how hard it was to support ones self as you get older.
Red Flag #1 – This woman who had been divorced 45 years ago, had recently been advised that she “could” go after her ex husbands pensions for more support. ding … fight mode kicks in… I had recent experience with my own ex-parasite thinking she deserved access to my assets 16 years after the Decree Nisi was issued.
Red Flag #2 – She bitches about how little she got for spousal/child support, and that she “had to go back to work” when he “abandoned her”. In reality she kicked him out of his own house.
Soooo…
I address red flag #1.
Mr sensitivity here, asks her “did you get a Decree Nisi”?
So i had to explain its a “Final Divorce Decree” keyword- FINAL. yes she has. So I explained that means she Can’t revisit her f~~~ing 45 year old divorce to rob this man of pensions he earned after they were divorced, the court judgement has been satisfied, the kids grown up, and asset division has been “FINALIZED” , and that pension credit division is only calculated for the duration of the marriage, not any time-frame that she “feels” is appropriate.

Red flag #2
Big f~~~ing deal you had to go back to work to support yourself. Everyone should have to support themselves, and their family. One needs to take care of oneself, and prepare for old age. P~~~ poor financial planning on her behalf does not allow her to rob a man of his assets 1 day, much less 45 years after the slavery, I mean “marriage” ends.

Marriage may technically end in court, however women “feel” they have an undeniable right to access your assets at any time, and you must surrender it on demand, regardless of your financial situation or needs, and they do this without any moral, ethical, or legal standing, nor concern.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

And don’t forget in some places (Canada, I hear) cohabitation for 1 year means cash and prizes. Also, check common law marriage in the US. You might wake up one day and be married without your knowledge, cash and prizes.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[Elric GreenstoneParticipant 1637]

Anonymous wrote:

She isn’t looking for love.

She’s not capable of love. Women never stop being children. They’re always a wreck. This society guarantees it. Thousands – literally thousands – of years of the holy works of every faith state that women are just f~~~ing nightmares, perverse, untrustworthy, childish, foolish, unfaithful . . . this is the entire view of all of human history. Four generations of television and movies trying to present the opposite view are irrelevant.

Anonymous wrote:

You wanna be the happy customer buying a refurbished product just because it’s on discount?

Never pay full price for refurbs or floor models. As KM says: It’s not the years, it’s the mileage. If she’s got a high c~~~ count – or, G-d forbid, children – her value is close to nothing. She is not worth it. She may think she is . . . and she can continue thinking that until she’s alone with the cats. You know better. Keep reading other men’s posts and experiences here.

Mr. Spock wrote:

I too went through a divorce and wound up losing 61% of my hard work after all was said and done. I feel fortunate though. I’ve known other people that went through divorce and have read stories on forums like this that say I got off light. Yes, got off light after losing 61% of what I had worked for up until I got a divorce. Imagine how bad the REALLY bad ones are.

I am currently broke – very, very broke – with massive debts because of a series of monogomous relations and a divorce. No alimony, no child support (no kids). It could be worse. Like you, I’m having to reboot my life and start over from scratch. Generally I think I’m lucky compared to the alternative of being legally bound to some c~~~ for the next twenty years.

Jan Sobieski wrote:

And don’t forget in some places (Canada, I hear) cohabitation for 1 year means cash and prizes. Also, check common law marriage in the US.

Never ever move in with a woman. Ever. If she wants to take you to the cleaners, all it takes is a false rape or false assault accusation, and you’re done. No court in the West will ever take the testimony of a man as equal to the word of one of these little sweethearts.

"You can either love women, or understand women. You can't do both. Because once you understand women, you realize that there is really nothing to love."

[TheroniusParticipant 975]

Young women play too man games, and are far too shallow to try to have a serious relationship with. It’s been that way for a long time. I kind o liked older women, but they all seemed to have kids and lives that were all screwed up.
I told myself as a young man that I would never take care of another man’s kids unless he was buried in Arlington, and his Medal of Honor was proudly displayed in her house. As an overpaid computer guy in Silicon Valley there was never a shortage of broads looking to upgrade, or looking for a white knight to clean up their mess. I was also a “nice guy”, so it surprised some of them when I told them I would never think of marrying a woman with kids and a live ex-husband, or a skank with bastards. I got called selfish and other things, but I stuck to my guns.
I don’t regret it at all, and if I had it to do over again I would be even less kind about it. I don’t blame the kids, and I don’t hate kids, but someone else’s kid is not my problem. After a while I would no longer even date (f~~~) a woman with kids because I did not want to be one more man who was there for a little while and then split.

"I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence?" - George Carlin

[NotMyProblemParticipant 965]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

I enjoy shopping at thrift stores but I’ll never buy a second hand woman.

lmfao

Not my property... Not my problem

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Teddy wrote:

As young men, our focus while in our 20s is to finish school and pay off debts. Once we hit 30 and want to settle down (I will never settle down), most women in their 30+ have children and want to marry. In my opinion, it is hard for men like us to marry/settle down because what type of man will marry a woman with children and he doesn’t have any of his own. How do you guys feel about this problem?

I agree with you. I was 28 when I finally felt like I was getting ahead in life…school was done and paid for, finances under control, etc. I looked around at the dating pool and thought what the f~~~? Is this a joke? Practically all women my age are buried in student debt with a joke degree, have kids, or have f~~~ed a disgusting amount of guys and I don’t want anything to do with a hole that dirty. I’m not a virgin so I can’t be a hypocrite expecting to settle down with a virgin and I’m completely ok with it if they’ve had a few boyfriends over the years…but once I realized how many girls are out there in the 20+ range its just a huge turn off.

Jan Sobieski wrote:

I enjoy shopping at thrift stores but I’ll never buy a second hand woman.

PS. These days every woman is second hand goods. And most are used up if not messed up.

Haha true story. I swear every c~~~ a woman takes f~~~s up their head a little more.

Elric Greenstone wrote:

Never pay full price for refurbs or floor models. As KM says: It’s not the years, it’s the mileage. If she’s got a high c~~~ count – or, G-d forbid, children – her value is close to nothing. She is not worth it. She may think she is . . . and she can continue thinking that until she’s alone with the cats. You know better. Keep reading other men’s posts and experiences here.

Its funny how they’ll put out for the low bidders when they are just looking for fun, and when they want to settle down think they can find a high bidder, even while the women 5-10 years younger(them 5-10 years ago) are still willing to put out for the low bidders for fun. Its kind of funny that when a majority of women are slutty they are not only ruining their future prospects but ruining the future prospects of non-slutty women as well. Maybe women need to start keeping each other in line a little more instead of glorifying being a slut as empowering when its far from it.

[TeddyParticipant 70]

Maybe it’s a good thing that women are f~~~ed up once they hit 30+. While they are in their 20s chasing broke ass thugs and dick, young MGTOW men are attacking their debts and building an empire/dynasty. While they are having fun, we are working in order for us to have fun in our 30s. I always see this quote on facebook, “A man cant build an empire without a queen”. Women preach this BS all the time but rather be with broke thug. It’s impossible for MGTOW to settle down. Once women finally realize they want a real man, It’s too late. 2+ kids, debt, poor wealth management, and maybe fat. As MGTOW we have to make them suffer by acting like we care about them and then f~~~ them and never call back.

[narwhalParticipant]

Teddy wrote:

As young men, our focus while in our 20s is to finish school and pay off debts. Once we hit 30 and want to settle down (I will never settle down), most women in their 30+ have children and want to marry. In my opinion, it is hard for men like us to marry/settle down because what type of man will marry a woman with children and he doesn’t have any of his own. How do you guys feel about this problem?

As a man who married a single mom, I resent the implication that I was some sort of loser or whatever you were implying. I was nothing of the sort, simply naïve. I don’t think we need to go around putting down men who choose that path with honorable intentions.

For the record, my ex was never married before me. She had a child out of wedlock, and I married her when she was 2 years old. I had a lot of respect for her in taking responsibility for the child and not getting an abortion. The father was and still is in the kids life, as am I.

That said, I was still naïve, and I get the impression that most men at that age are more aware then I was at that age. Is it a problem? I suppose it could be if you don’t find other options acceptable. For me personally, now at 42, I find most of the women I find interesting either have kids, or still behave like they are in their 20s. I find the alternative of just staying single to be rather acceptable.

Ok. Then do it.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

Obvious troll bait. Thug blaming moron. “Real Man” references. “We need to do this”. Zzzz. You Do It.

[TeddyParticipant 70]

What are you talking about snake? I am doing it. Are you mad bro? Are you a woman? Who is trolling?

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

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