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Just say, “I’m deciding between three girlfriends”, or “tinder wont’ let me”.
Going My Own Way means to me not giving a rat’s ass what anyone else thinks.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
Anonymous7Going My Own Way means to me not giving a rat’s ass what anyone else thinks.
Honest opinion. Do you really think speaking your mind is caring what other people think?
Anonymous7be this…
haha
RoyDal wrote:
Going My Own Way means to me not giving a rat’s ass what anyone else thinks.
Honest opinion. Do you really think speaking your mind is caring what other people think?Good question, and it’s one to which I don’t have a glib answer. I can say, without fear of contradiction, that being plain-spoken has simplified my life enormously and has added to my sense of well-being.
For example, saying “no” to some broad who wants to cash in her pussy pass, has done me far more better than getting into a long-winded discussion with the presumptuous female.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
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be this…
lolol or if you’re not so stealthy this will be ok too :p
Exactly. From what stealthy and OldBil has said, I infer that you ‘evolve’ to suit your needs.
People say you can never be perfect. That is because true perfection never exists. Perfection is an infinite quantity: you keep perfecting throughout your life.
Stealth could be very beneficial, but if you ever need to downplay it for productive results, you do it.
Take the case of MGTOW. The general idea behind the label is that ‘we don’t give a f~~~’. The other party provides an argument: “If you don’t really give a f~~~, why make tons and tons of videos and blogs about it? If you are really going your own way, you would never speak about it.”
Take the case of the idea behind creating this website, while considering the same “I don’t give a f~~~” ideology. Keymaster didn’t have no obligation to create this place. But he ‘needlessly’ spent a huge amount of time, energy and money to create this place…. not to display the prowess of MGTOW, but to help other souls who were in dire need of it. Isn’t that a good gesture, a humanly gesture, should I say?
At the end of the day, its good to practice stealth, but don’t let it stop you from doing what you really want to do, or to increase your intellect. Its important to express yourself to the right people at right times; just take care you don’t invite unnecessary trouble that you could have otherwise avoided by keeping quiet.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Stealth could be very beneficial, but if you ever need to downplay it for productive results, you do it.
That is a profound observation, Varun, and one that cannot be repeated often enough. Thank you sharing it with us.
You’re comments regarding perfection are insightful too. While achieving perfection is impossible, the journey towards perfection is a worthy one.
This is why we all continually stress that MGTOW is a journey and not a goal. Putting it another way, the journey is the goal.
It’s not so much that we succeed, rather it’s that we try.
Thank you again for your post. I wish I could rep you more than a single point.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Anonymous24I work for myself, so I have no fear of what I say costing me a job. And being at a point in life where I have zero f~~~s left to give, I more often than not say whatever I f~~~ing want to say. Even in my early days here it caused friction. I had a few guys calling for my head because I dared to be critical of Israel and Jewish influence in the U.S. I was even told to not say certain things in a thread and to start my own thread. My response? F~~~ you, I will say what I want to say where I want to say it, and if I can’t do that, I won’t waste my time here. Thankfully Keymaster is a stud and truly stands for free speech.
I only use stealth in real life if I want to spend less time informing knuckleheads about facts and concepts that took years of reading to acquire.
Lottery’s first quote is one I have used here a few times.
“To see who rules over you, see who you can’t criticize”
It’s nice to test the boundaries from time to time, it can tell you a lot about the world and yourself. And the even more important question at times when it comes to conversations is why are there even boundaries? It is not my job to not offend you.
When good wise men are silent to what they have witnessed the world is certain to perish to evil.
By the way Keymaster, your recent Hitchens addition to the rotating memes or whatever is awesome. I have read everything he has written, yet another hero of mine.
It’s not so much that we succeed, rather it’s that we try.
Thank you again for your post. I wish I could rep you more than a single point.
Exactly. The journey is the goal. Its not the destination that matters. Very much appreciated.
I only use stealth in real life if I want to spend less time informing knuckleheads about facts and concepts that took years of reading to acquire.
Lottery’s first quote is one I have used here a few times.
“To see who rules over you, see who you can’t criticize”
It’s nice to test the boundaries from time to time, it can tell you a lot about the world and yourself. And the even more important question at times when it comes to conversations is why are there even boundaries? It is not my job to not offend you.
When good wise men are silent to what they have witnessed the world is certain to perish to evil.
Excellently put. If the wise men did not ‘say’ or ‘do’ anything, we would never have had this okay-level world. The real strength lies not in being arrogant, but being humble enough to question your own intellect and beliefs, a quality I recently learned about.
The world will not understand evolving men. So keeping your mouth shut while you grow gives you the freedom to grow and change without shaming and questioning influence.
To quote a vp…
“He is just a quiet hard working guy who covered for others while they were on leave with no complaints. That is why he got promoted.”
Yes. That happens more than often. A shallow perspective will judge him as a ‘loser’ or ‘snoob’ but …. but hey! It doesn’t matter what you are calling him behind his back. He is perfectly okay with it. Call him what you want. You can never ‘hurt’ him. If you do him harm, he would do you good as payback. That in itself is a great quality.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Anonymous0I’ve posted a couple times in the past about the difficulties of even just socializing in mixed company as a retired bachelor, never mind going public about MGTOW. Older single women really come on strong when they think they’ve found an eligible bachelor. And if tell them I’m MGTOW (or simply not interested in any kind of relationship at all), that’s like catnip to them. They just come on twice as strong. They want to be the one who converts me into marriageable material.
It probably seems like a laughable thing: Grumpy old man has women chasing after him. At first I enjoyed the attention, but eventually I realized that it came with a lot of drama. I’ve been driven out of social groups by the drama, and I’ve seen other single older guys driven out as well. You have a choice: Always be fighting the drama and the attention, or have to give up socializing in mixed company altogether.
So I’ve solved it by lying and saying that I’m in a relationship already. That is, I “go stealth” not only about MGTOW but about my bachelor status in general. Being honest just results in too much drama.
It’s a different kind of problem than others in this thread have. But I figured I would put in my two cents and provide one more example of the need to “go stealth.” Women are nuts, and they’ll dog you one way or another at every stage of life.
I think it’s like what OldBill said in an earlier post. Honesty has a price; it may draw you into conflict. You can waste a lot of energy and time fending off all that conflict, or you can “pick your battles” and avoid some of the conflict by going stealthy.
Here’s a repeat of one of my older posts about the pressures on older bachelors:
Even in your 60s, you’ll get lots of pressure to marry. You would think that no one would care if a “grumpy old man” goes his own way and lives as a bachelor. But people see men as beasts of burden. If they see a healthy older man living alone, they’ll point out that there are lots of single older women; he should be hooked up to one of them to help her out and relieve society of the burden of older single females.
Also, single, older women are forward and aggressive as hell. They treat every bachelor as their last shot at happiness (and a payoff) before they die, and they throw themselves at him. Lots of easy sex if you want it, but it comes at a price.
The women try to cut you off from the rest of the group and try to isolate you for themselves. If you have sex with them, they’ll start acting like they own you. Try to pry yourself out of the relationship, and you’ll learn the meaning of the old expression, “Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.” Even if you don’t have sex with them, they’ll look for any reason to punish you when you don’t take them up on their offer. Women just don’t like being turned down.
Also, married couples (especially the wives) may see a single guy as threatening, like I’m going to tempt the husband to want the same kind of freedom, or maybe even try to go to bed with the wife. There’s a fairly merciless social pressure on you to shack up with somebody, anybody. Because no one likes a bachelor. A lot of older single guys just turn into hermits and avoid society, because the woman are so aggressive and there’s so much pressure on all sides against bachelors.
Personally, I’ve put on a fake “going steady” ring and I tell people that I’m in a long-distance relationship (LDR) with a girlfriend in another state. I tell people that the ring is kind of a “going steady” thing, and that we put on rings to show that we’re taken and not interested in dating other people.
So the ring and the lie about the LDR girlfriend are like camouflage. Now that I’m wearing the ring, older women pass me by (suddenly they can’t be bothered to give me attention), and married couples assume that I’m “safe” and don’t mind socializing with me. I can go out and do social things, and people don’t give me the bachelor run-around because they think I’m taken. And if I meet some gal who seems worth my time, I can always break up with my fake girlfriend and suddenly become available.
So a little white lie helps to solve the problem. I make like I’m in a relationship, and suddenly I get more acceptance and can choose who *I* want to hang out with. I can even make friends with women, and actually keep it at the friendship level. Suddenly I fit in better.
I’m just going to focus on this…
So if someone asks you why you are not married tell them the truth in a nice short sentence.
“Because I want an exciting life, not a dull one”With you’re stealth or speaking the truth or whatever, this is something I would never say. Whether it’s true or not is irrelevant as most people will only see the word ‘dull’ as an insult to their life or the life they strive for. You’re inviting conflict. Keep in as personal as possible so that they cannot interpret any sort of judgment.
“Because the married life doesn’t seem interesting or exciting to me. I don’t want to have kids, or have to do things I don’t want to do just because the wife wants to. I don’t want to spend money on things that don’t interest me or risk financial ruin in divorce”
That statement is honest without inferring any judgment on others. The listener then has the freedom to apply that to their own life or pretend they didn’t hear it. What they cannot do is deny the truth of your statement or deflect it based on some perceived insult.
Maybe that isn’t stealthy, but like stealth, it leaves no room for attack. I think in many cases I’d rather tell the person the truth then say nothing and let them guess at whatever answer will suit their narrative best.
Ok. Then do it.
I’ve posted a couple times in the past about the difficulties of even just socializing in mixed company as a retired bachelor, never mind going public about MGTOW. Older single women really come on strong when they think they’ve found an eligible bachelor. And if tell them I’m MGTOW (or simply not interested in any kind of relationship at all), that’s like catnip to them. They just come on twice as strong. They want to be the one who converts me into marriageable material.
This, this, this. A thousand times this.
I’m in my mid-fifties and I’ve experienced everything you write about TwoStep and it isn’t laughable.
I had to leave a hiking group because the women in it simply would not stop bothering me. I regularly turn down dinner party invitations because I know the wife in question has a single friend she wants to run by me. I can’t go to the theater, supermarket, or muffler shop without some desperate, dried up, middle aged, biddy batting her eyes at me.
Hell, just last Monday I was in a coffee shop around 8am arranging for a taxi (long story) and two women from a nearby Baha’i retreat (!!!) begin chatting me up. My usual “polite, terse, and dismissive” M.O. wouldn’t work in that situation so I had to “drown them in cream” instead. I was able to beg off on sitting with them by claiming I had to watch for my cab.
So I’ve solved it by lying and saying that I’m in a relationship already. That is, I “go stealth” not only about MGTOW but about my bachelor status in general. Being honest just results in too much drama.
I’ve done that too, as much as I can, but the few circles I move in are too small for such tactical lying to work for long.
I think it’s like what OldBill said in an earlier post. Honesty has a price; it may draw you into conflict. You can waste a lot of energy and time fending off all that conflict, or you can “pick your battles” and avoid some of the conflict by going stealthy.
Definitely. You have to pick your battles. I’m just surprised to find myself on the battlefield as often as I am at 55.
Here’s a repeat of one of my older posts about the pressures on older bachelors: (snip)
That’s my thinking on the matter too.
Personally, I’ve put on a fake “going steady” ring and I tell people that I’m in a long-distance relationship (LDR) with a girlfriend in another state.
I tired the fake ring schtick a couple times while traveling for work back in the 90s. I found it attracted more attention than it repelled. I had direct propositions from women for what they assumed would be extra-marital sex on both our parts.
Maybe I should dust that ring off and give it another try…
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Anonymous0This, this, this. A thousand times this.
I’m in my mid-fifties and I’ve experienced everything you write about TwoStep and it isn’t laughable.
I had to leave a hiking group because the women in it simply would not stop bothering me. I regularly turn down dinner party invitations because I know the wife in question has a single friend she wants to run by me. I can’t go to the theater, supermarket, or muffler shop without some desperate, dried up, middle aged, biddy batting her eyes at me.
Hell, just last Monday I was in a coffee shop around 8am arranging for a taxi (long story) and two women from a nearby Baha’i retreat (!!!) begin chatting me up. My usual “polite, terse, and dismissive” M.O. wouldn’t work in that situation so I had to “drown them in cream” instead. I was able to beg off on sitting with them by claiming I had to watch for my cab.
Yes, definitely. And it will only get worse as you get older.
I tired the fake ring schtick a couple times while traveling for work back in the 90s. I found it attracted more attention than it repelled. I had direct propositions from women for what they assumed would be extra-marital sex on both our parts.
Maybe I should dust that ring off and give it another try…
Unscrupulous women (and that’s a lot of them) will try to ignore the ring and come on to you anyway. They’ll figure that the girlfriend isn’t around to complain. Or they’ll argue that an LDR isn’t a “real” relationship–it’s just a glorified FWB relationship.
But still, the story and the ring will blunt their edge. You can insist that you’re serious about the ring and the relationship and tell them to back off. And there’s nothing they can do about it. They can’t play the “scorned woman” role or insist that you deceived them in some manner, because they knew up front that you were taken. In other words, it cuts out a lot of drama by giving you the moral high ground.
Single older woman are all about landing a meal ticket (health care, nice housing) all the way into old age. So they are pretty damned desperate and aggressive. I could tell you some horror stories. But they seem to respect the ring. Or at least, it signals that I’ll be too much trouble. Nowadays I see women out of the corner of my eye checking out my hand, stopping and calculating for a couple seconds, and then moving on. That alone is a big improvement, compared to the past when they would see that there wasn’t a ring on my finger and start floating around me trying to get my attention.
I only started wearing the ring pretty recently. I’ll have to report back in coming months. But I like how it’s working so far.
I’ve done that too, as much as I can, but the few circles I move in are too small for such tactical lying to work for long.
I’ve been telling *everyone* that I’ve got a girlfriend. Family, friends, etc. People ask a million questions, and some kid me about it or even just refuse to believe it. But I have a nice, polished story for them, and I stick to it like grim death. For example, when they ask me what her last name is, I refuse to tell them. I say that her last name is distinctive and I don’t want family and friends looking her up on Facebook or whatever. I tell them that it’s an LDR, and we don’t know how long it will last, but we’re serious about it for now, we’re just doing our own thing, and it’s no one else’s business. And so on, blah blah blah.
It helps that I was actually in an LDR once upon a time. It was kind of a FWB thing, and we didn’t want others meddling. So I would run into a lot of pressure from friends and family to know more about her. But I got good at fending them off, and overall it was a whole lot easier dealing with the LDR pressures than dealing with the bachelor pressures.
You never really get free of prying and drama from people, unless you just go hermit. But the ring-as-camouflage thing seems to give me more breathing room than I was getting when I was openly a bachelor.
Yes, definitely. And it will only get worse as you get older.
Oh joy. Yet another wonderful side effect of aging.
Unscrupulous women (and that’s a lot of them) will try to ignore the ring and come on to you anyway.
I believe the failure of my ring schtick came down to a two factors. First, it was a case of “What happens in Vegas…”. I was in town on business, most of the women were in town on business, let’s have some fun and who would know? Second, the ring meant I was more likely not to cause later problems because of the “little woman” at home.
Pulling the ring schtick at home was a wrinkle I didn’t think of.
Single older woman are all about landing a meal ticket (health care, nice housing) all the way into old age. So they are pretty damned desperate and aggressive. I could tell you some horror stories.
I’ve seen it already and have my horror stories too.
But they seem to respect the ring.
Good to know there’s something like garlic or holy water that will work on them.
You never really get free of prying and drama from people, unless you just go hermit. But the ring-as-camouflage thing seems to give me more breathing room than I was getting when I was a bachelor.
True, you never do get away from the tumult. We need to pick our battles and the ring schtick could be a weapon that helps.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Anonymous0I should clarify, by the way: I wear the ring on my right hand (non-marriage hand), on the ring finger. It’s an old plain back-up wedding band left over from my first marriage.
Since it’s on my right hand, I’m not pretending that I’m married. But it’s enough to give people pause. And when people ask about the ring, I tell them that it’s a “going steady ring.” I tell them that we’re not engaged or anything, but that my girlfriend wanted us to wear rings to avoid any misunderstandings and show that we’re committed. If they press further, I tell them that women at my age can be pretty aggressive, so the ring seemed like a good idea…
Anonymous0Oh joy. Yet another wonderful side effect of aging.
Hehe. Women are trouble at any age. But they pretty much run everything in the retirement groups and communities. So they’re especially a plague in old age. 🙂
I fall on the side of stealth as regards working environments, if they are all male then you can say as you please.
But if its corporate you are in a system, if you are looking to further your career = more money, you need to be mindful why hamper your chances.
Stealth is good as you can observe and laugh at the Simps and Manginas I do not watch TV now, the odd classic film and sport aside.
I guess it’s a guilty pleasure but seeing a man trampled on by a women mad me angry, thinking stand up for yiurself, not any more I laugh and think what a fool.
Thanks for the link TwoStep
If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.
To everything Old Bill and Two step said about being older a 1000 Dittos. Like TwoStep, I too keep my old wedding ring handy just in case I need to get out of something. You are raw meat in lioness den. My favorite one that gets ME a lot of laughs (but not them) is “I’m in a relationship with a Poly couple so we are both doing his wife and he approves.”
If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.
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