Why PUAs Are Poisoning the Manosphere

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

As a short fat Asian dude I can get women even hot women. It’s not that great anyways women are always women. I remember one woman going wow that’s all she said when looking at me.

I think working out does help for confidence up to a point. Confidence is more important than looks. There is a huge on youtube that put on a fat suit and asked out women and he got success.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[RiargsParticipant 320]

Most MGTOW guys are somewhere on the Feminist Highway to Hell…they’re involved with screwing women in one way or another unless they’ve gone full monk.

But try as I might, I don’t see PUA’s as being MGTOWers, ever. They’re playing games in a rigged system that will eventually destroy them, because the be-all-end-all of their existence is the vagina. And the Vagina destroys all men in the end.

Younger guys generally want to screw women and don’t have a lot of experience with that so if it comes their way they go for it…they’re stuck on the outskirts of town with very little traffic on the Feminist Highway to Hell…still, once in a while a girl does come along that just might f~~~ with him…

Older young adult guys get a little more choosy, not necessarily screwing anything in a skirt, they might start looking for their stardust fairytale unicorn NAWALT…they’re stuck in the middle of rush hour traffic of the Feminist Highway to Hell with girls all around but hardly anybody is stopping to flirt with them…

A married guy only has two options – not bang his wife who stops having sex with him after the wedding or have an affair with some other guy’s wife. He’s in the permafrost loop of the Feminist Highway to Hell. Usually there is no way off this section of the Feminist Highway to Hell. Just permanent celibacy and masturbation.

In his late 40’s and into his 50’s a guy is in the inner city traffic of the Feminist Highway to Hell. He’s usually successful by then, and the divorced bitches and post-wallers are bumping into him left, right and center, desperate to hitch a ride on his asset money train.

If you can make it past all this – or just be done with it and go full redpill MGTOW Monk AND Ghost at an early age – you’re home free, and off the Feminist Highway to Hell.

Ask yourself, what road do you want to be driving on?

"In my many years I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two are a law firm and three or more is a Government..." - John Adams

[Total LeeParticipant 1573]

Riargs wrote:

But try as I might, I don’t see PUA’s as being MGTOWers, ever.

PUA is a brief stop on the way to MGTOW. They learn the juice isn’t worth the squeeze eventually, and the crap they preach is exhausting.

[Anonymous 1]

I use to envy PUA’s, even went through PUA phase myself. Every PUA I’ve met turned out to be DEEPLY insecure.

I know a PUA, he places more value in women than he does in important commodities – time, money etc.

He earns a decent wage, but lives in rented accommodation and runs out of money half way through the month. He has no tangible assets (cant even f~~~ing drive).

They place so much value in something that pays no returns.

I have no respect for them.

[Anonymous 11]

Keymaster wrote:

“why is he single? there must be something else wrong with him”.

This thinking is exactly why it’s easier to get women when you have women. It’s a self-sustaining chain reaction of trouble.

As for me, I am who I am. Why should I maliciously manipulate a woman’s feelings to get some pussy that may or may not be better than a Fleshlight. None of the men I know with game ever went to a PUA school.

The thing that kills me are these snake oil salesman PUAs implying that they can teach anyone how to pick up women. It only costs $1800 for the one day seminar.

I’m level 3 monk now, but here is my PUA method offered for free:

1) Go solo. Wingmen are c~~~ blocks.
2) Pick a spot and patiently wait. Places where tourists frequent are usually more productive.
3) Acquire target or better yet let target acquire you. Your choice. I’ve used both but prefer #2.
4) Be witty, charming, and confident.
5) Do not choke when she comes on to you. Learn to recognize the signs she’ll f~~~ you. Often, she’ll tell you right up front.
6) Do not force yourself on her or throw a fit if she rejects you.
7) Do not waste time on ones that won’t f~~~ you. Move on to the next one. Don’t be used as her wallet.
8) Pray you don’t stick you dick in crazy, catch an STD, get her pregnant, has a jealous ex BF/Husband in the picture, get reverse played by her, falsely charged with rape, or get a DUI
9) #8 should make you question why you are even doing it in the first place.
10) Dump the slut. She f~~~ed you w/o knowing you therefore she’s a slut.

MattNYC’s financial analysis is the perfect argument against being a PUA or dating in general. Fleshlight or escort is the way to roll.

[Anonymous 1]

Anonymous wrote:

MattNYC’s financial analysis is the perfect argument against being a PUA or dating in general. Fleshlight or escort is the way to roll

Anyone got a link?

[Anonymous 11]

@Joller: Page 1 of this topic.

[AttonParticipant]

PUA’s are fine right up until they start believing their own bulls~~~ and preach it as truth. Being a woman’s bitch is never a good thing and to many PUA’s have become exactly that.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[Anonymous 3]

Uintatherium wrote:

There are some men in this world who desperately crave some sort of emotional support … and can never get it from women.

Yes, it is like that. I have been through this. The feeling of crave is visible in all your behavior, body language, voice, etc… and works as the most effective women-repellent. I personally could not get to pick up a girl before I f~~~ed and cuddled a hooker many times to totally get rid of my virginity and emotional neediness. That transformed me from absolute hopeless loser to not that hopeless.

I do not think, that PUA is big problem for the Manosphere. The real root of the problem is how badly the current western women behave. The “inner game” literature linked on PUA sites had some useful side effects on all of my personality, getting more self confidence and get better at communication skills. Also, improve my English. Yes, I also finally managed to pick up some girls, and that helped me with my emotions even more. But that is not the most important part.

I think, men are born with a big sex drive and unfulfilled emotional needs. Back in my younger ages,in my location, PUA was a solution for that. And I felt actually happy with it for a short time. I actually had to be through a long relationship that turned unhappy and almost trapped my life, to learn the reality and to question all the things and then to go MGTOW. I do not know whether it is possible to convince young men with big sex drive and emotional needs to go MGTOW, they still crave for women. They have to be through some sort of s~~~ to actually feel why we are like we are. Reading stories is just not enough. Maybe we can gave some red pills to these young guys, so they avoid the worst traps, that is the only thing we can do.

Uintatherium wrote:

Some men can only attract ugly women when they try their hardest and some men would rather date an ugly chick then be alone.

I have f~~~ed some girls with a slightly round shape, too. Sex was the same feeling as with more slim hookers.

Stargazer wrote:

PUAs are selling you the false hope of getting laid (and charging for their content, seminars, “field training” etc)

That is what pirate websites, just googling the web, and the local library is good for, I did not pay more than a few ten bucks on books during all my pua-learning years.
But it is a big shame, that they only tell people how to pick up a girl, and totally omit talking about all the dangers included with real-life girls.

Stargazer wrote:

Even if a certain set of behaviors works for an individual under a specifi set of circumstances, that doesn’t mean it can be replicated by other men.

Totally true, there are different disciplines for different sorts of guys. For me, the strategies for “nightclub-game” (with only body language in a loud place) did not work at all, but the other ones that included talking, had some mediocre results. For other dudes, it might be the opposite.

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

PUA is riddled with scams and shaming.

I had some FWBs for a while that i met in chatrooms.

I noticed they do like abs ,chests, and big arms.
All of which connote a value based on utility .

They objectify us based on looks and status.

Financial status.
Social status.
Etc.
Looks.

I am NOT a brand new tool fresh off the shelf or rack from Home Depot.

I am not a brand new Estwing 28oz framing hammer .

I am not a brand new Rigid impact drill.

Thats how women see men they are attraced to.

Thats what PUA claims to make you to appear like.

But very often PUA gurus lie .

I posted a video about PUA lies a long time ago.

Lemme see if i can find it again.

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

@CrazyCanuck

He says he makes $150 a day?

Bull s~~~!

If you are making $150 a day you are making a lot more than someone whos working at Walmart or Starbucks or BurgerKing or McDonalds.He had no reason to be homeless.

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[Anonymous 3]

PUA is mostly creative writing and outright fiction. Just look at guys like Neil Strauss and the rest of them. Married to the first post wall hag that could tolerate him for more than 15 minutes, kissing her ass and apologizing for all the previous bulls~~~ he wrote, while dishing “dirt” on his PUA buddies as charlatans and losers.

PUA came onto the scene first around the early 2000s if memory serves. It fell apart roughly a decade or so later, when the marks finally figured out the total bulls~~~ it was. Then a few years ago they repackaged themselves, infiltrating the manosphere and stealing the red pill and various other terminology, while insisting on being separate from MGTOW, which they thrilled in mocking. New charlatans such as Fatt Horney and Roosh Basement Dweller figured they’d carve themselves some online fame, projecting their fantasies onto the world while mocking others for their own personal failures.

I can write more, but KM and others hit most of the points, and really it doesn’t matter what I write. I write this more as a support for my younger MGTOW brothers that feel lost than anything else really. There’s not much you can do but avoid a lot of it and understand that most people are full of s~~~—even most MGTOW that write their fiction and think they are impressing you by pretending they are James Bond. Don’t be impressed, I can guarantee they are exaggerating at best, outright lying most likely for most of it. Don’t be shamed by it.

I wish there was a way I could really get it across how dumb and meaningless most men are and what they say and write is. But there is no way for me to show that to you, it will come with life experience and wisdom. There is a balancing act from understanding most people are idiots most of the time and not worth listening to, and acting in a smart way to take what little wisdom rarely drops out and choosing who to interact with and listen to. There is no good way to learn that outside of time, trial and error, and a lot of repetition.

One trick though is that most people that brag about something really suck at it. There’s an official psychological term for it, but that’s unimportant. The fact is the most capable and successful people usually feel inadequate and are unwilling to risk themselves, while the stupidest and most incompetent people tend to claim the most expertise and ability. If you keep an eye out you’ll see it. Don’t mistake people’s insecurity and extreme jealousy for some sort of superiority on their part. They are insolent because they know they are inferior to you, and eventually you’ll understand that the only thing you can do is ignore these types. And PUA falls under that.

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

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[bigboy83Participant 11312]

All PUAS, are just betas in the closet.

That type of lifestyle is collapsing. Pua’s consistently question themselves, if this (pua stuff) is a waste of time?

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[Anonymous 1]

Anonymous wrote:

@Joller: Page 1 of this topic.

Mildly embarrassing. Its not been a great weekend all round ?.

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

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[KeymasterKeymaster]

MGTOWWAVEs those videos were interesting

So glad you posted footage of that Chipmunk PUA. The first time I saw him on that stage in that show… I could not believe he was passing himself off as a guru.

I watch him talking about “body language” and about how holding your arms folded at the elbow (while talking) denotes “weakness” , but for the entire seminar, he did exactly what he said NOT to do. It was a hoot.

Exes and women I knew would laugh at him.

Anonymous wrote:

PUA came onto the scene first around the early 2000s

Enjoyed your post.

I learned of it in 2006. Way late, apparently. I found “game” interesting at first and agree with small aspects of it…. but ONLY if you’re good looking already like the friend I was speaking about.

His handicap is being smart AND good looking with a high SMV.
He actually complains about it often…..

Anonymous wrote:

The fact is the most capable and successful people usually feel inadequate and are unwilling to risk themselves

Very often true.

Anonymous wrote:

This thinking is exactly why it’s easier to get women when you have women. It’s a self-sustaining chain reaction of trouble.

“Why are you single / unmarried, what’s wrong with you (him)?” always bothered me – before I heard and understood the term “social proofing”.

Does she wish I wasn’t?

What the f~~~ is up with women thinking being single is a problem? Before I f~~~ed off dating site and never looked back, I would message women and ask them “are you single?” FIRST …. and would never date a woman who wasn’t.

But women actually prefer when you’re NOT?

F~~~ed dat puto.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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