Why Long Term Relationships don't work

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

Why Long Term Relationships don’t work

1. women want commitment, kids, house, cars (all which requires money)
2. women want attention and emotional support (a man who is out of the house ten hours a day to earn money does not give her enough attention)
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do you notice that 1. and 2. cannot go together?

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[Mr. ManParticipant 2916]

Your question is like those tests that ask: “Which two of these things does not go together?”

And you’re right, it’s a Catch-22 situation. There is no logical answer. And yet our entire lives we are told there is.

Then there is the undisputed fact that the very moment a man commits to a woman he instantly becomes a non-sexual being to the woman. He is now domesticated. He’s a utility and nothing more.

That was a hard lesson to learn, but it was one of my earliest, pre-MGTOW red pills I discovered after getting married.

[EvilcpuParticipant 217]

I agree with you, the two points are conflicting with each other. In my opinion, this is also exasperated by the fact that men are seen as disposable and readily replaceable in Western-like societies. Honestly, I don’t want to commit anymore because it would only siphon off resources from me, without providing any practical advantage. I daresay a long term relationship could give me only headaches. Yes, I would be tempted to say sex as a reason for, but with cheap high quality hookers available, said reason just crumbles on itself.

Furthermore, I would say also that a relationship couldn’t ever work if there are solely demands and not offers. Women want, want, want, but unless they (which I strongly doubt) understand the mess they kicked up and learn to give something more than sex, long term relationships will become rarer and rarer until complete disapperance.

Out of your prime, out of my sight.

[neverAgainParticipant 1662]

Blue Skies wrote:

Why Long Term Relationships don’t work

marriage is even worse b/c she’ll have access to all your assets and a significant percentage of your income. (which agrees with #1)

Blue Skies wrote:

1. women want commitment, kids, house, cars (all which requires money)

All good things come to an end.

[BubParticipant 1403]

Mr. Man wrote:

Then there is the undisputed fact that the very moment a man commits to a woman he instantly becomes a non-sexual being to the woman. He is now domesticated. He’s a utility and nothing more.

This is Truth…..
It’s there nature, don’t ever forget this…

DO NOT EVER GET MARRIED

Just rolling down the road

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

Bub wrote:

This is Truth…..
It’s there nature, don’t ever forget this…

DO NOT EVER GET MARRIED

Can i get an Amen!!!???

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amen!

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[Sparticus66Participant 508]

Aaaaaaameeeeennnnn!

[Sky-OParticipant 18933]

LTRs don’t work because being a committed, beta, loyal, providing, trained, conditioned and already secured male sets the entire situation up for an inevitable collapse.

Over a period of time, women start to have contempt for a guy they are around everyday. And they start to view him as boring.

Resulting in women resenting the guy they are with and fantasizing about other c~~~s.

Eventually wanting out so badly that when they cheat, they intentionally get caught to initiate a break up.

[narwhalParticipant]

That’s just one of many contradictions that a woman wants from an LTR. She wants equality with a dominant man. She wants a commitment with independence. She wants kids with independence.

LTR ‘worked’, people stayed together because the commitment took precedence of whatever else anybody wanted.

Ok. Then do it.

[CatsPawParticipant 423]

I can give you my take on it, but you may not like the answer. You have been warned:

Women are not exactly the ones to blame here, its more men who are so weak they will go to any lengths to get laid.

Sure, women are not helping, but is it any surprise that if men are stomping each other and destroying their own lives just to get 10 minutes of pleasure they are capitalizing on it?
Is there any surprise the hotter they are, the easier they have it and consequently the less they care / put into a relationship?

Men have allowed women to become what they have become and only now we are waking up to the monster we have created.

When I had a girlfriend a long time ago (10 years more less) and I was 22, I noticed the less I gave a s~~~ about her, the more she started to get desperate and act nice. The more I was a nice guy, the less she cared. So I broke it down to her: If you are gonna act like that, I will be an asshole, cus its in my best interest.

Unfortunately I did not follow my own advice (I did love her, felt unfair to behave like that) and I eventually caved in. Coincidentally that was also when the relationship started to go south.

Was she a good girl? Hell no. But If I wanted to blame someone for the failure of the relationship Id blame myself for breaking my own rules, not her who was not even smart enough to understand what she was doing (and yes, I did get the “I didnt know what I was doing” crap a year or so after she left me. She didnt try to get me back at all, she could see she had no way to make me buy anything she was sellin).

So sure, women are f~~~ed up, but they evolved naturally in the environment that men created for them:

-A woman sees that her friend with 2 kilograms of make up on her face gets drinks in the pub, she puts 4 kg on her face the next time.
-A woman wearing a shorter skirt gets more attention from the guy with the lamborgini…you get the idea.

Ironically the solution to both problems is the same one: Stop thinking with your Dick.

Now, I know this might not be a very popular answer in this forum, so I will give you my own counter point to it:

If women cared at all about Men, they would never allow this to happen. And even more important: If women were smart enough to understand what they are doing, they would never allow this to happen as it is bad for them in the long run as well.

Here is where men get it wrong: Women can care about men, but they care more about themselves (this is rarely true for men) and two, women do NOT care about other women (this is a myth created by society, that women somehow want to help other women).

Women f~~~ing hate other women. So they are smart to know that what they are doing will hurt other women, but they dont care about that.

Criticism is welcome.

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

We get it: Men are always to blame.

[Y_Participant 4591]

To a female brain BM’s points are not contradictory. If a man cannot give a female both – he is not good enough.

Attention is the man sacrificing his identity for nothing Sex must be bought. Keeping the female fully loaded up with her not lifting a finger is mandatory.
Zero about the guy’s well-being.

Eventually he will never be able to meet rising expectations.
Ergo – men are never good enough.

Men do compete for this ‘privilege’ and that is part of the problem. However this is so because I believe the vast majority of men are fundamentally good and honest and try to do the ‘right thing’. Brainwashing by religious and political groups from birth take maximum advantage of men’s good natures.

MGTOW is not only about taking back our lives – it is very necessary for our survival.

[Elric GreenstoneParticipant 1637]

Let me add some gasoline to the fire! I’m in that kind of mood. 🙂 🙂 🙂

A successful marriage has three parties: a male, a female, and G-d. Without G-d, any relationship will fail.

The total collapse of our society and the demonic influence of feminism has occurred because we’ve removed G-d from our society. What’s left is demonic and chaotic.

Unfortunately, since only a few ultra-religious closed societies still exist (certain sects of Islam being the largest), almost all relationships are doomed to total and absolute failure, whether they end or not.

Note that traditional monotheistic societies don’t, by the way, see marriage as a better or happier state than being single. They see it as the obligation of males in a society who don’t choose another path (priesthood, certain Sufis, etc.). In Christianity, Paul says it is better to marry than burn, although it is better still not to marry. Again, being married isn’t as pleasant as being single even in traditional, observant, G-d fearing societies. It’s just something G-d wants people to do.

In a society like this . . . better stay the Hell away from these wretched, vicious whores. They have no G-d but themselves and the fallen.

Well, that’s my two cents worth. Enjoy!

"You can either love women, or understand women. You can't do both. Because once you understand women, you realize that there is really nothing to love."

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

Elric Greenstone wrote:

Without G-d, any relationship will fail.

Which one of the 2,500 “G-ds” listed in Encyclopedia of Gods has the best record of preserving relationships?

https://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Gods-Over-Deities-World/dp/0816029091/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1481943643&sr=1-1&keywords=encyclopedia+of+the+gods

[Elric GreenstoneParticipant 1637]

All of these statistics are somewhat inaccurate. However, if you’re interested in a faith that has a history of successful marriages (defined by lack of divorces), your best bet in the States would be:

Chasidic Judaism
Mormonism
Orthodox Judaism
Mennonite
Amish

All of those have a divorce rate under 5%, as far as I know. I’ve read stats that suggest that all of the above have a divorce rate under 2%. That’s lifetime, and doesn’t seem to be particularly increasing in the 21st century.

and, imho, Pentecostal Christians and Catholics who take it seriously and live their faith, as neither group really permits divorce except in extremis. I don’t know how you’d measure “take it seriously and live their faith”, however. My guesstimate is that those who do are also under 5% – but that’s purely a hunch.

There’s a general sense that Jews and Christians do, in essence, worship the same G-d, so that’s the one to go with. 🙂

"You can either love women, or understand women. You can't do both. Because once you understand women, you realize that there is really nothing to love."

[CatsPawParticipant 423]

Badger wrote:

Elric Greenstone wrote:

Without G-d, any relationship will fail.

Which one of the 2,500 “G-ds” listed in Encyclopedia of Gods has the best record of preserving relationships?

https://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Gods-Over-Deities-World/dp/0816029091/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1481943643&sr=1-1&keywords=encyclopedia+of+the+gods

ME, I am officially submitting my GOD application to MGTOW. Send cash to my bank account at […] to support my cause and the MGTOW one, bla bla bla, give me all your money.

I advice not to marry for a simple reason, well two actually:
1) If you are married, the woman can get your s~~~ if she leaves you.
2) If you are not married, she looses everything she is enjoying when she leaves you.

I hope you see a pattern there.

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