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Just wonder how many of you have read this book. I’m going to guess many, but even if you haven’t you guys seem to have adopted many of the strategies that he presents in dealing with women simply by being MGTOW.
My question is do you think what he says is correct or no? If you haven’t read it, basically this guy says that to deal with women we must understand what they mean behind their words (I know–it’s not our job to learn their language, they should learn to be functioning people, but bare with me.).
For example, when a woman tells a mangina to have some ice cream, but he is big into fitness and doesn’t really want it. The mangina will say “okay, it won’t hurt,” and this is where he goes wrong because she subconsciously resents him because she really asked him just to “feel his masculine essence”. Then what happens is he starts to get out of shape from eating ice cream all the time, so she dumps him because of it, and the mangina wonders where he went wrong.
Now what he suggests is that you stick with what you do(Going His Own Way) without her consideration. So she offers ice cream and you say “no.” Then she insists and you tell her “I’m am not going to eat ice cream because I care about what I look like.” Secretly she enjoys feeling your masculine essence and you pass the test for now. She should be more attracted to you than before, and the relationship continues on successfully.
Where I see MGTOW differ is that you guys do what the second guy does, but you guys seem to think that women hate that and leave instead of secretly love it. I’m still pretty new here so maybe I’m wrong and if so you can tell me where I’m not understanding. I’m really inexperienced with relationships; I’ve never been in a serious one–I’m only 22. I’m hoping you guys can tell me if this book is accurate if you’ve read it, and if this is not making sense what I’m saying, there are many examples of other situations where a woman does things she doesn’t mean that I can tell you about and how he advises to handle it.
Thanks in advance for your input.
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you into something else is the greatest accomplishment." -Ralph Waldo Emerson
I have never read the book, but I can tell you this. Women themselves don’t even understand their own bulls~~~. Women will constantly come to you in a relationship and attempt to use your superior male intellect and rational thinking to decipher what some other t~~~ told her. There is no figuring them out. They operate on almost pure feeling and emotion, and half the s~~~ coming out of their mouth is a stream of princess consciousness. Don’t even waste your time trying to understand them, just deal with them. MGTOW.
MGTOW has absolutely nothing to do with the effects of eating ice cream
MGTOW has everything thing to do with the effects of dealing with women
Neither of your options are correct when addressing MGTOW.
I think you are in the wrong place, MGTOW is about avoiding women, especially relationships. The games you’re referring to are a good reason we no longer care. If you want to develop your “game” in dealing with women then PUA sites, or Rational Male is good for understanding male female dynamic. Otherwise MGTOW, is about MEN and men’s interests, not pandering to childlike adults just because they got a vag.
Why would I care to decipher some c~~~s incomprehensible language, when I got things to do, places to go, and a life to live on my terms. I am going to do exactly as I want, let her eat the cream off my junk.
My definition of a superior man, is one that lives on his own terms, not one that plays in her playground of feelings, emotion and panders to her games all about attention seeking.When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan
IDK… I smell a t~~~ or white knight here guys… The tone of this post just seems to very carefully suggest in paragraph 4 that we should continue to put up with the woman’s s~~~ and care more about passing her tests than being MGTOW which is definitely the vision of a t~~~ or white knight – what do you think? I am new here so I fully accept that my radars might not be appropriately calibrated yet
I wouldn’t want to be too harsh on people popping into a forum. People are at different points in the path. I was at that PUA point a couple of years ago. Like others have said, if that is what you are interested in, try red pill philosophy and pick up artistry. We will save you a spot here. All roads lead to MGTOW.
I wouldn’t want to be too harsh on people popping into a forum. People are at different points in the path. I was at that PUA point a couple of years ago. Like others have said, if that is what you are interested in, try red pill philosophy and pick up artistry. We will save you a spot here. All roads lead to MGTOW.
Maybe I am overthinking it a bit. It’s been a long day and a very intense gym session tonight. I am overtired lol.
Clint – these are very common mind games women play and at the end of the day, the answer is always never in the man’s favor. I do not believe at all that she becomes more attracted to you by following the the approach outlined in the book.
“she subconsciously resents him because she really asked him just to “feel his masculine essence”. Then what happens is he starts to get out of shape from eating ice cream all the time, so she dumps him because of it, and the mangina wonders where he went wrong.” – this is what I would be inclined to agree with because that displays one of the average female’s most common traits – trading up.
Welcome Clint,
Nice avatar. First, I’ll say that I haven’t read the book. I might have read it at 22 when I still believed that understanding women was both possible, and worth the effort. But I’m closer to 52 now and no longer believe that women have anything to offer me that is worth the amount of my time and effort it would require me to ‘understand’ them.This website has not been created to help men figure out how and why to understand women. It’s purpose is much closer to helping men figure out how and why to abandon them. One of the main reasons that is given for abandoning them is that, as you pointed out in your post, they can’t be trusted even to do the most simple thing of actually meaning what it is they say and do. That makes them no more reliable than little children. I don’t read a lot of books or spend a lot of time trying to understand the babblings of random toddlers because even if I succeeded in understanding them, they have little to offer me as a return on the investment of that effort.
This may be difficult for you to accept right now. At 22, you (and me when I was your age) are awash in hormones that create the impression in you that a woman’s ability to provide sex has some enormous, amazing value. It’s a value so high that you may actually meet one who will convince you to sign a marriage contract in order to achieve it. Believing you understand women may create the false sense of security in you that can result in signing that contract. Doing so will provide you with some sex, at least for the short term. But in the long term, is very likely to cost you just about everything you have.
For the time being though, have you noticed that there are very few books written to help women understand men? What do you think might be the explanation for why men are making this effort to understand women, but women don’t seem to think that understanding men is worth a similar effort?
Please know that I don’t mean any of this to seem unwelcoming to you. We are always happy to see any new member here, and I hope to read your posts on whatever other topics here interest you. It’s just that understanding women is no longer a goal for us as much as distancing ourselves from them has become.
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
I’m not white knighting, what I’m asking is if there is a middle ground between completely isolating women and being a mangina. So basically the point of MGTOW is because you are sick of dealing with women’s bulls~~~ and want to do your own thing. That’s awesome, but what if you are doing your own thing WHILE having a woman in your life? If she doesn’t like it then fine she can leave.
From what I understand, you guys know that women chase guys who treat them like s~~~. Why do they do this? Because they know they can never be first in their life. Men who treat women like s~~~ are GOING THEIR OWN WAY and don’t give a f~~~ about her. What this guy proposes is that a man’s essence is to put his career and passion first and woman second, and a female’s essence is to put the relationship first. You are taking the essence of the “typical asshole” without being an irresponsible delinquent. This allows the woman to be in your life and not act out like the normal c~~~s who take advantage of manginas BECAUSE SHE KNOWS THAT HE WILL TOSS HER ASS OUT AT ANY MOMENT WITHOUT HESITATION.
A mangina will allow the woman to push herself into first and that is why they are never respected by women. Is this making sense? Where am I going wrong?
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you into something else is the greatest accomplishment." -Ralph Waldo Emerson
Welcome Clint, Nice avatar. First, I’ll say that I haven’t read the book. I might have read it at 22 when I still believed that understanding women was both possible, and worth the effort. But I’m closer to 52 now and no longer believe that women have anything to offer me that is worth the amount of my time and effort it would require me to ‘understand’ them. This website has not been created to help men figure out how and why to understand women. It’s purpose is much closer to helping men figure out how and why to abandon them. One of the main reasons that is given for abandoning them is that, as you pointed out in your post, they can’t be trusted even to do the most simple thing of actually meaning what it is they say and do. That makes them no more reliable than little children. I don’t read a lot of books or spend a lot of time trying to understand the babblings of random toddlers because even if I succeeded in understanding them, they have little to offer me as a return on the investment of that effort. This may be difficult for you to accept right now. At 22, you (and me when I was your age) are awash in hormones that create the impression in you that a woman’s ability to provide sex has some enormous, amazing value. It’s a value so high that you may actually meet one who will convince you to sign a marriage contract in order to achieve it. Believing you understand women may create the false sense of security in you that can result in signing that contract. Doing so will provide you with some sex, at least for the short term. But in the long term, is very likely to cost you just about everything you have. For the time being though, have you noticed that there are very few books written to help women understand men? What do you think might be the explanation for why men are making this effort to understand women, but women don’t seem to think that understanding men is worth a similar effort? Please know that I don’t mean any of this to seem unwelcoming to you. We are always happy to see any new member here, and I hope to read your posts on whatever other topics here interest you. It’s just that understanding women is no longer a goal for us as much as distancing ourselves from them has become.
Hello BrainPilot, I appreciate the warm welcome! I understand that you have given up on women, and I totally respect that. I’m not going to tell you what you should be doing in any way because that’s what women are for. I do want to direct you to my last post, though. I feel like if women understand that they do not have the control, they will not act out as much because they understand a man who is not a slave to vagina does not tolerate a woman who will do ridiculous stunts to get attention.
I will say that I like the way you guys think about marriage. I think if a man that was in control got married, he would no longer have that control and the woman could then go back to acting out. However, if he can convince her that marriage is never going to happen, and that he won’t tolerate any nonsense, then the only options left are to behave like a normal human being and stay with him, or to leave. Eventually a man would sort through the nonsense and find a woman who respects his belief.
Understand that this is all theorizing because I don’t have much experience.
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you into something else is the greatest accomplishment." -Ralph Waldo Emerson
I think I understand that you are trying to come up with a reliable way to interact with women without them being a negative influence on my quality of life. And your theory is that if I manage my behavior toward her in a certain way, she will respond by adjusting her behavior in a certain way that will be more favorable to me. Am I clear so far?
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
Men who treat women like s~~~ are GOING THEIR OWN WAY and don’t give a f~~~ about her
No, men who treat women like s~~~ are just s~~~ty men and not MGTOW. MGTOW doesn’t care enough to treat anyone like s~~~, too much work. What you are failing to understand is that MGTOW have left the building so to speak….we are no longer interested in playing the game, and treating a woman like s~~~ just too maintain HER affections is just a game we simply no longer play….i really think you have us confused with the PUA community.
I think I understand that you are trying to come up with a reliable way to interact with women without them being a negative influence on my quality of life. And your theory is that if I manage my behavior toward her in a certain way, she will respond by adjusting her behavior in a certain way that will be more favorable to me. Am I clear so far?
Right, and if I understand you guys, your belief is that you don’t want to think about your behavior at all, which is a fair point. However, my argument is that you guys–being the way that you already are–wouldn’t really have to change who you are because the way you choose to live your life already makes women want to change the way they behave around you. They know that if they act like an entitled bitch, it is one strike and they are out. The girls that don’t like it will not bother, and the ones that do will find you.
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you into something else is the greatest accomplishment." -Ralph Waldo Emerson
Men who treat women like s~~~ are GOING THEIR OWN WAY and don’t give a f~~~ about her
No, men who treat women like s~~~ are just s~~~ty men and not MGTOW. MGTOW doesn’t care enough to treat anyone like s~~~, too much work. What you are failing to understand is that MGTOW have left the building so to speak….we are no longer interested in playing the game, and treating a woman like s~~~ just too maintain HER affections is just a game we simply no longer play….i really think you have us confused with the PUA community.
Hey sorry about the misunderstanding. I wasn’t saying MGTOW treat women like s~~~. I’m saying the “typical asshole” that women always chase are technically going their own way so to speak because they disrespect women and do what they want. They aren’t true MGTOW.
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you into something else is the greatest accomplishment." -Ralph Waldo Emerson
I’m not white knighting, what I’m asking is if there is a middle ground between completely isolating women and being a mangina. So basically the point of MGTOW is because you are sick of dealing with women’s bulls~~~ and want to do your own thing. That’s awesome, but what if you are doing your own thing WHILE having a woman in your life? If she doesn’t like it then fine she can leave.
I believe they call this Purple Pill. A midway point between Blue Pill and Red Pill.
From what I understand, you guys know that women chase guys who treat them like s~~~. Why do they do this? Because they know they can never be first in their life. Men who treat women like s~~~ are GOING THEIR OWN WAY and don’t give a f~~~ about her.
These are false assumptions. Women operate fundamentally on Briffault’s Law: The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place. Women are primary interested in utility and resource extraction. They attempt to get as much as possible from a man and move to the next when it runs out. The only thing keeping a particular woman on your arm is her ability to be financially satisfied. You can be the biggest game player asshole you want, if you don’t have deep pockets, your ass is on a timer, and it is running out.
From what I understand, you guys know that women chase guys who treat them like s~~~. Why do they do this? Because they know they can never be first in their life. Men who treat women like s~~~ are GOING THEIR OWN WAY and don’t give a f~~~ about her.
These are false assumptions. Women operate fundamentally on Briffault’s Law: The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place. Women are primary interested in utility and resource extraction. They attempt to get as much as possible from a man and move to the next when it runs out. The only thing keeping a particular woman on your arm is her ability to be financially satisfied. You can be the biggest game player asshole you want, if you don’t have deep pockets, your ass is on a timer, and it is running out.
So your belief is that women do not consider attraction at all? Do they take risk into account? Because if she has a good relationship with a man based on the things I’ve said before, is she really prepared to risk all of that for just a chance to be with someone who might be more rich?
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you into something else is the greatest accomplishment." -Ralph Waldo Emerson
I believe that women may change when they see a man, or groups of men starting to abandon them. But your theory is that women see this and reliably change for the better…becoming more respectful and more civil. This may actually be true for some women, but I can assure you that for another group of women, seeing men withdraw from them results in even more of the same hostility, disrespect and elevated demands, not less.
I would encourage you to stick around this website for a while, and you will very likely soon see an example of exactly that. There is on the front page of this site a notice that it is a men-only site. It is very clear, and unmistakable in its message. Yet on a regular basis, we get women misrepresenting themselves to gain access here, logging on with a man’s username and posting on his account, logging on as a female and asking politely to be given access, logging on as a female and demanding access, having a man ask on their behalf for access… All of this in just the last 3 or 4 months. If your theory were true, they could have and would have just respected that sign and went quietly on their way. Perhaps a group of some number of them do, but we can have no way of knowing the relative sizes of these two groups.
On a more widespread example, you see articles all the time written by women about ‘where have all the good men gone?’. The definition of ‘good’ is never actually explained. But most men know that when a woman refers to a ‘good man’, what she means is a man who will put her interests above his own. Now an article like this recognizes and acknowledges that there are no ‘good men’ left. No secret there. And all makes no secret that there is a demand for these ‘good men’. No secret there either. What these articles never say is, “The crappy behavior that women engaged in that ended the inspiration for any man to make the effort to live up to the definition of ‘good man’… and what women should do to straighten their crappy behavior out…”.
I don’t know the ratio of the sizes of the two groups. But I have a pretty good idea of the ratio of the two types of articles I just described. I’ll take that as an indicator that the proportions are not such that it’s worth the time and effort to try to find one who has acknowledged that her behavior should be modified by her to be more favorable to me. More likely, I’ll just succeed in finding a large group of women who’ve read articles titled “I don’t need a man”, and continue their crappy behavior accordingly….
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
So your belief is that women do not consider attraction at all? Do they take risk into account? Because if she has a good relationship with a man based on the things I’ve said before, is she really prepared to risk all of that for just a chance to be with someone who might be more rich?
Women definitely consider “attraction” or vagina tingles, that is the other part of their operation. Where they do not gain materially, they will gain in “feels”. Life to a woman is a constant emotional up and down as they chase vagina tingles or settle for a wallet. Early in life they chase the tingles more, as they get older, the wallet becomes more important. This is known as Alpha F~~~s and Beta Bucks. And risk? Women eject from men every day with multiple kids from a man to leave him to pay alimony and child support while they chase tingles again. They do not care about the devastation and ruin they leave the man or children in. Completely selfish creatures. As I said the only thing not keeping them from ejecting and collecting, is deep pockets, and if you take a look at rich men and their divorce settlements, that doesn’t even satisfy most of these harpies.
While we understand the principles of “game” as it were. MGTOW is more indifferent to women, while dating is not forbidden it’s not really a goal either.
We don’t believe in marriage though, that’s one of the few hard lines.
Took a brief listen on the audio of the book off YouTube sounds like a PUA tripping on acid.
Clint I think The Rational Male might have more of the material your looking for at the moment. It’s Rep Pill PUA.
http://therationalmale.com/the-best-of-rational-male-year-one/
That said feel free to stick around and see how what’s here looks to you. I’m not trying to boot you but if your a little off course we may as well try to give directions to what you want for now.
So your belief is that women do not consider attraction at all? Do they take risk into account? Because if she has a good relationship with a man based on the things I’ve said before, is she really prepared to risk all of that for just a chance to be with someone who might be more rich?
Not openly engaging in the risk, She may well and likely will try to covertly engage in what we refer to as “Monkey Branching” over to him though.
So your belief is that women do not consider attraction at all? Do they take risk into account? Because if she has a good relationship with a man based on the things I’ve said before, is she really prepared to risk all of that for just a chance to be with someone who might be more rich?
Women definitely consider “attraction” or vagina tingles, that is the other part of their operation. Where they do not gain materially, they will gain in “feels”. Life to a woman is a constant emotional up and down as they chase vagina tingles or settle for a wallet. Early in life they chase the tingles more, as they get older, the wallet becomes more important. This is known as Alpha F~~~s and Beta Bucks. And risk? Women eject from men every day with multiple kids from a man to leave him to pay alimony and child support while they chase tingles again. They do not care about the devastation and ruin they leave the man or children in. Completely selfish creatures. As I said the only thing not keeping them from ejecting and collecting, is deep pockets.
Right that makes sense, PUA actually talks about that pretty often. How a lot of girls just party all day every day when they are young, then when they realize their looks are starting to wane they find the beta-provider to leech off of while they keep cheating on him behind his back.
I don’t mean to come off as someone who is challenging MTGOW’s beliefs, it is just that I kind of understand what you guys are about, but still had some sticking points that I needed to clear up to understand completely. Thanks for your time!
"To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you into something else is the greatest accomplishment." -Ralph Waldo Emerson
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