When you die

[HitmanParticipant]

when i die, bury me deep  put two speakers at my feet . put some earphones on my head , and  let me listen to the grateful dead ….

[FreeGhostSpectator 318]

Tower – Please send me an email at winterrapalafishing@gmail.com. for some reason I feel I should speak to you. I personally feel that I have seen the other side. The “other side” has pointed out all of my foolish behavior “most of it” and has helped me grow. It has made me realize that yes, I am nothing, yet I am also everything. It is a very difficult concept to understand but please email me. I do not believe in any organized religion yet i feel the human soul is entirely interactive. Love and peace. FG.

[FreeGhostSpectator 318]

I feel Jesus is an absolute farce, yet a spirit may exist. It may be similar to a frequency to a radio, the soul may be a frequency while the mind may be the radio. As an INTP personality type, it intrigues me to this day I feel such a scenario may be prevalent. I feel as though we are all “one” and will return to a future of loving light. And no, I am no bible humper or religious humper, I feel we all originated from one and will return to one.

[MyselfParticipant 353]

So I’m basically in the “it’s like how it was before you were born” camp.

That is often good enough for me, but from time to time I enjoy thinking about things in a bigger picture, especially when I’m out in nature.

Even though I know science does not explain everything, the basic picture astronomers and cosmologists paint is, I think,  likely at least partially right  – a big bang-ish event, formation of galaxies of stars, stars erupting in supernova spreading new elements around, dust settling once again and condensing into this sun and planet, and organic life finding a foothold and flourishing, evolving into us.  That big picture suggests to me that my life, and all of mankind, is a small bubble where the universe itself is ever so slightly self aware.  “I think therefore I am”, said the universe.

I don’t think the above necessarily means anything – it just gives me a spiritual feeling that is still in line with my scientific world view.

 

[Jeremiah JohnsonParticipant 2219]

I am very happy to see so many brothers respond. Thank you to those that took a moment from there day to share their personal beliefs in here. I really appreciate it. After reading these, and giving myself plenty of time to come to my own conclusions, my answer is very long winded.

I spent the first 16 years of my life under the fist of a very abusive father. My childhood was over before it even began. I spent many nights as a child contemplating why I was here, what is my future and the rest of society like if being a son is this bad in my own home? I wanted to skip the rest of my childhood, and just be out on my own. Well, I got my wish, I was moved out and rough necking for my girlfriend’s father. So I was working 12 hour rotating shifts, and finishing high school. Very rough couple of years.

I lost several of my friends to suicide in those last couple of years as well, literally derailing me from the Catholic upbringing. I was vice president of our youth board at the time, and I asked my long time friend, my pastor, Why? Why has all of this happened to me? So much pain, loss, and no answers, no lighted path to move forward upon. I cannot remember his exact answer, but it was along the lines of this is God’s will, and you must have faith, and believe. That was when I knew religion was not for me, and never would be ever again. I walked away.

I loved my 7 year old daughter more than I loved myself. She was the air in my lungs, the blood in my heart, she was my everything. And when my wife of 7 years left me, and took her away, it was the hardest, most cruel, breathtaking event I had ever endured.

I can go on and on, but I know each of us has a story maybe not so many cracks, and crevices, maybe more.

My point in sharing all of that was simply to say, I always had hoped for more than this. Something beyond the pain and suffering I have endured through. A transcendence to a better, safer, more peaceful and loving place and endless time. The romantic side of me I guess, but truth be told, deep down I know there is nothing else. I know that what awaits is blackness. And when the last person that knows who I was dies, it will be the last time my name will ever be spoken, it will be my death and end. Very sad, but wait.

It doesn’t have to be. I am still here. I am still some what standing, lol. Make each day everything you can. Make each day here like it was going to be the last day you ever existed, who knows, it just might be.

At least we have today, we have each other in some way, and we have this place to gather, laugh, smile, and share a story.

Thank you brothers, this place we call home is only what we make of it, lets do it right eh. Do it right for ourselves, for those of us leaving children behind. Live free!

Men are at a time when panning for gold in a urinal has a higher probability of success than finding a faithful and loving woman, it is time to go your own way.....

[Anonymous 42]

Jeremiah Johnson wrote:

I cannot remember his exact answer, but it was along the lines of this is God’s will, and you must have faith, and believe.

Hey Jeremiah, look how hopeless the message is when clergy say: ” It’s God’s will”, that’s bulls~~~! We’re on a battlefield between the forces of darkness and light (good and evil), I think it’s “Gods will” every time someone heals either physically, mentally, or spiritually, or buries the “hatchet”, or like the MAYOR shows compassion for the frail and impoverished. that’s what I believe is “God’s will”.

As for most organized religions, I believe their just as, if not or more corrupt than the governments they harness us men by the corrupted institution of marriage. It’s a conspiracy brought on by gynocentrism, man is the glorious one, we’re the apple of God’s eye, women were created from man to serve man, therefore all of nature is out of balance when the woman is placed (by whatever means) “over the man”. Our pair bonding nature has been shattered by this molestation of natural law dictated by gynogovernment law. Look at Canadian Geese, one “marries” another for life, and without a license that demands they switch natural roles. Western Men have been subjected to the absolute molestation of natural law.

The feminist movement has downgraded women to creatures of iniquity.

Instead of nurturing offspring, they kill their offspring with the instrument of abortion.

Instead of giving whole heart support to assist and advance her mate, she holds him in reserve, and puts him off like a stranger while fulfilling her fetish and vain desires.

Instead of contributing to society, she endlessly leaches on men and society, both directly and indirectly, be it marriage or public assistance.

She delivers to this world more misery than her life is actually worth, she’s better off dead for the sake of preserving the tattered remains of the damaged spirit of man.

The mindset of these women is like that of a public swimming pool. Men tend to follow their bonding nature without even knowing it! The man will be attracted to one woman out of hundreds, a sort of “tunnel vision”, on the other hand women are taking inventory on all the men in the pool “panoramic vision”, she pans out without any attraction for any particular man, she’d rather have a “collection of men”.

This is why MGTOW has been inspired, we’ve caught on to this “social disorder by corruption of nature). Feminism causes women to abuse a man’s nature merely by the toxic infection of her own “now toxic” nature.

Western women are not only a “total loss”, they’re a likely “extensive liability”.

There’s allot more going on in this world than any man realizes (self included), it’s a battle between good and evil, the only question is; are we workers of iniquity, or do we sacrifice for the good?

I have faith that it’s “Gods will” I shrug off the pain and continue to press on in the battle for “good over evil”, “man over woman”, not the other way around, CHAOS!!  

[Jeremiah JohnsonParticipant 2219]

Wow, very well put Tower, thank you for that response, you speak truth sir!

Men are at a time when panning for gold in a urinal has a higher probability of success than finding a faithful and loving woman, it is time to go your own way.....

[Anonymous 42]

Thanks Jeremiah, it’s a touchy issue and hard to word without creating unnecessary blow-back. I’m careful discussing belief systems.

It sickens me to see jump up and down bible thumpers sweating in a furious display of emotions while slicing and dicing with “their” mighty sword of “you’re going to hell”.

Nope, not me, the slightest trace of emotion only detracts from me finding the truth. I like scriptural facts that support each other within the 39 books including the accurate prophecy over centuries and millennium.

I need to see the connections by corroborating evidence, not some profusely sweating (jumping blubber-ball) man with a microphone shoved down his throat crying (screeching) repent.

That may or may not work on the wimminzzz, I wouldn’t know, I’m not a woman; but it sure p~~~es me off to see another (so called) “man” displaying more emotion than an estrogen dripping woman full of rage and revenge!

[Tom YoungParticipant 48]

Ill start by saying, it has brought some happiness to my night to see that through such a hell you still pulled forward and stayed strong to the path you walk today. Keep moving forward, its what i live by. What do i believe ? Do i believe in god ? I can’t say i do. My family is heavily Christian, and you can imagine the news wasn’t taken to well. My grandfather asked me, “If you were right, and there is no god, what is the point in life. What is there to look to, what hope is there ?”. This is a question often asked to the non-religious. If there was no higher being, what is the point in life. I put many a nights thought into the question. I could only come up with 1 answer. There is no point in our existence. Absolutely none. Zero. Zilch. Nada. And that is the best part. Because we have no divine or godly purpose. Our purpose, our path, our very existence, is what we make of it. Everything we are, we were, and what we are to become is in our hands. We have no master laying claim over us. No god lording over us with a iron fist to his will. We are human. And that is not a bad thing. All the advice I can offer you Jeremiah, is do not let the pretense of “fate” or “destiny” lead you, less you spend your life a hollow man with no self ambition to surge forward, take the reigns, and become what you choose to be.

[Mana KnightParticipant 333]

Great topic.

Love the intelligence of the Brotherhood of MGTOW. I bet you would find nothing of the sort on a feminist forum.
Why care about the afterlife when there are Menz in this life you can shriek at in attempt to belittle.

But in all seriousness, I am a Christian of Quaker Denomination, but also with Spiritual interests. I do not really agree with Catholic/Church of England ways. NO issue with it, but to me – Christian is a Christian. No real need to divide it into subjections. Just be a good person and have a belief in God/Jesus, that is all there is too Christianity for me. No Dogma, robes, pomp or ceremony.

The Quaker thing works for me as it suits my personality. I.e you sit in a room for an hour in near silence. If you feel like standing up and saying something, you can. It can be scripture, it can be a poem, anything. It does not matter. Nobody has to comment on it. You are just free to make a statement if you so feel too.

I think there are too many people who have seen beyond, have stories about after life for me to discount. I also have personally  experimented with a Oujia board, and that…certainly proved something interesting to me that something was out there!

Whether it is naiviety or not, I am reminded of the teachings of Blaise Pascal in the 17th century and his “Pascal’s Wager.” ideal.

His idea was that basically – if we are wrong, and there is nothing out there, then you won’t even know you are wrong when you die. But at the very least you will have done your best to be good and help one another in your life. There is no harm in this. So there is no need to admonish or belittle someone for thinking so if it helps them.

 

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

I will die, dissipate in to the world, same way I was created. Atoms in the universe.

Or maybe it would get interesting:

If part of my knowledge/soul/mind join some Neosphere of knowledge (where Tesla took his ideas from etc). dunno If there is such a thing or reincarnation of any sort.

Either way I will cease to exist, doesn’t mean some idea will not still remain somewhere. I don’t know. And Im fine with that, as there will be always things I will not know.

FreeGhost wrote:

spirit may exist. It may be similar to a frequency to a radio, the soul may be a frequency while the mind may be the radio.

It’s kinda how I feel about myself. Conduit of consciousness, and I dunno if it’s even mine. Whatever, time will tell 🙂

 

If you want to go deeper, there was an interesting theory of projection, like we (and our universe) are like an image, projected in to the reality.

Great topic, k later gent’s, have to take a walk and enjoy a rainy summer day for what it’s worth. Relaxing.

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[Anonymous 5]

Nothing happens after death. It just feels like going to sleep and not waking up.

Life after death is just a comforting thought for people because they can’t handle the thought of death. Deep down inside they know when they die, thats it, but they like the delusion.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

Cryogenics baby. Though re-awakening in the future may very well be the equivalent of going to hell.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[Binary LogicParticipant 2351]

I am not absolutely sure about the “end-game” as I call it.

However, it is hard to deny that something extraordinary is there. I’ve had my life flash before my eyes in what I describe as “the moment of most”, and it is quite surreal. In a firefight in Afghan, with bullets flying around my head, as I engaged, a moment of prolonged peacefulness was experienced. It was a point of calm. I literally seen all my life major events flash before my eyes.

I remember a lucid dream quite clearly.There was a point when I was married. That I dreamed of standing on my house left in shambles. Tornadoes of fire swirling all around me. I heard a child cry through the rubble. And being human, I dug it out, and held it in my arms. No one else was around, I couldn’t find my wife. But somehow I knew that child was connected to me, but not my own. 7 years later my wife would bare another mans child. And my home was not quite literally, but still left in shambles.

I myself have studied Judaism, Catholicism, Christianity, Seventh-Day Adventist. All searching for answers. At the end I am led to believe that they are superficial control measures put into place to control the mass populace. No, I am not much of a conspiracy theorist, but I was simply searching for answers as best I could.

I have reached the same conclusion as Mr. Arthur C. Clarke, in which he states “Either we are alone in the universe, or not. Both possibilities are equally terrifying. ” Of course this is in regards to spirituality.

Funny, isn't it? How women thrive on a mans time, attention and resources, while simultaneously telling him he isn't enough...

[Anonymous 42]

Binary Logic wrote:

a moment of prolonged peacefulness was experienced

@B,Logic, That sounds like an adrenaline rush, when things slow down and it’s like slow motion, and your hearing fades away.

It sucks that your wife decided to become someone else’s husband in bed. A woman’s word is mud, they should just say “I don’t”, instead of “I do”, but that’s irrelevant, they don’t have either option with MGTOW around.

Its kinda nice throwing “I don’t and never will” in their lap. They wanted “choice”, they abused “choice”, and now we give them “no choice”…….   like spoiled little children being punished, you take things away to teach them a lesson…

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