When you die

[Jeremiah JohnsonParticipant 2219]

I would like to open a conversation, but, before we start, we must ALL agree to be adults here, and value each opinion, and not UNDER any circumstances degrade a fellow brother for his belief. That being said and out of the way, I would like to know each of your personal views on what happens to you when you die, and why you believe that. It doesn’t have to be to personal, just a quick thought on the matter, I am asking only because I feel for a long time I have been very lost at sea when it comes to my beliefs. I was raised catholic, and was the vice president of my youth board at church, and the president of our church debate team,  when I lost several friends to suicide. I have been back and forth, debating the bible, the story of Jesus, Judaism, Atheism, and I could go on. I have studied more on Buddhism as an adult more than anything else though. Just wavering around the outside of it all. I do from time to time take time to meditate. I must say that the few different meditations I have practiced thus far have brought me closer to a “belief?” than anything else ever has. I cannot explain it other than it just feels right to me. When I am meditating I feel better than I have ever have in my whole life, and afterwords as well, but meditation and Buddhism, NOT the same thing, not even the same playing field eh. But another sorta cheesedick movement has really interested me, in that we are all connected in some way. Not just us humans, but all living matter on earth. Whether it is a connection thought the air we all have to breathe or something far deeper I am unsure. In conclusion, I want to see how others have dealt with this, and how and why. If you will please, thanks in advance.

Men are at a time when panning for gold in a urinal has a higher probability of success than finding a faithful and loving woman, it is time to go your own way.....

[bcrogerParticipant 113]

I don’t think that anything happens. Its like before you were even born.

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

Many native American beliefs held that “The Great Spirit” resides in all things.  Rocks, stream, animals etc.

Christian belief holds that God created the universe, world, and everything on it.  God spoke reality and the world in to being.  This being said, would it not be true that the very keyboard you typed on, exists because God word dictated the laws of the universe?  Taken a step further, your keyboards exists because of God’s Word.  So, we can say that the Word of God can be found in all things.  For me, this is my connection with the world.

What is going to happen when I die.  I believe in heaven.  I have asked God many times for an answer to a question.  All to often some random stranger has something to say that answers my question.  Sounds random to others, but for me His prophets can be found on just about any street corner.

Logic tells me that we are beings, elevated above all other animals on this world.  There is no evolutionary reason for mankind to be as intelligent, self aware, innovative, insightful, etc. for man to be a successful animal.  We just haven’t done a very good job of taking care of our home.  And please don’t bring up space aliens.

There is also the theory of the Collective Unconsciousness by Carl Jung.  Jungian psychology is not my cup of tea but some truth can be found anywhere.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[BufordParticipant 935]

I meditate every day. I seek nothing spiritual from it, for me it’s all about the breathing and the calming effect it has on your mind and body. I also do yoga, but only because it’s wonderful exercise and keeps everything toned and long. I need to keep everything stretched out because I’ve been a racing/TT cyclist for nearly 30 years. Not doing vigorous stretching will just make the cycling shorten everything and give you real problems if left unchecked.

As I said I take nothing spiritual from it, I don’t recite mantras; I just breathe and stretch. Purely physical. I’ve lost friends to suicide, cancer, alcoholism, accidents, drugs but it’s never made me consider that there is more beyond this life. When I die i’ll return to dust. Nothing more. I don’t need it to be more.

I understand why people when they meditate get a spiritual sense. If you do meditate long and deeply enough, you can experience a sense of perfect quiet. From this, deep down memories and images can emerge because the clutter of more recent memories and feelings aren’t in the way. Often after meditating i’ll experience a long forgotten event, or a smell that hadn’t hit my nose in years suddenly filling my nostrils. I view this as a natural reaction to deep breathing exercises, and don’t attach a meaning of otherworldliness to it.

"This happens every time one of these floozies starts poontangin' around with those show folk fags. - Sheriff Buford T. Justice"

[WolfParticipant 890]

bcroger wrote:

I don’t think that anything happens. Its like before you were even born.

IMO, that’s a good way to describe it.

[FrankOneParticipant 1435]

I think meditation and self-reflection is great!  It’s wonderful you’ve learned about different faiths and keep an open mind.  I remember reading Siddhartha in high school and first learning about the Noble Eightfold Path — very different thinking than Judeo-Christian religion.  Non-violence is central to Buddhism, and it’s usually followed, though not in Burma.

I don’t think we’re all connected on a spiritual level, but that’s just my belief — I believe that we have a beginning and end and are entirely physical.  What were we before we were born?  So I’ll probably be the extreme ‘rationalist’.  That said, it’s probably more useful to do good works than to spend time in a Church or temple every week worshiping or chanting, in my opinion.

We’re certainly all connected on a physical level and what we do impacts those around us.

Religion makes people feel a sense of community and purpose and gives people cohesion, if it didn’t make them feel good, people wouldn’t participate.  Usually, though, they’re indoctrinated into a faith in early childhood rather than rationally selecting a religion later in life.  Some religions do great charity work, regardless of the truth of their supernatural claims.

I think some religions impede personnel freedom, e.g. a conservative Christian or Mormon is expected to marry and the wife stay at home and that is typical of many conservative faiths.  Also I don’t agree with all the condemnations of sex outside of marriage in many dogmas.

[Anonymous 42]

Good question, I’m going to wait as long as possible! Hoping for heaven, deserve hell, it’s not up to me! My knees will be knocking louder than anybodies! I know I p~~~ed him off! A bunch of times! More than I can remember! I’m maxed out on forgiveness!

[Anonymous 12]

I’m of 2 thoughts.

1/ There is some kind of spiritual world and you go there or your soul is reincarnated into a new life.

2/ There is nothing at all and you simply cease to exist.

 

Number 2 is a harsh reality to think about and kind of empty, also if number 2 is what happens then it really doesn’t matter one way or another if I would prefer to believe in option 1.

 

[Anonymous 18]

I usually believe in nothingness. But the philosophical side of me ponders as such: the reasons one would use to justify his or her actions and treatment of others become a form of reality that the person would be born into (the handed down circumstances). So basically the person is reborn with the reality that only existed in her own mind as a justification of plowing through people and life. A mental trap. Good thing about this is that karma is automated and noone needs to judge a person. There is no prerequisite of God or heaven/hell.

Example: Noone is honest nowadays why should I tell the truth? Next life dishonest people form the bedrock of her new life.

I cheated on him because he was an alcoholic abusive jerk. You can see where I am going with this.

I am so special I can use people. Next life: special people exist that use people.

[MOWsince95Participant 1446]

I think belief in an afterlife is derived from a natural inability to foresee “a world without me” (or without a loved one or friend or whatever).  It’s not a bad thing, but it also does not make it so.  The afterlife is no different than the many worlds one creates in random daydreams, only if one says “hey man, when we die we all go to another solar system in a spaceship, I know because I dreamed it” one sounds like a nut but if you point to a holy book it somehow seems more legit.

The comment above about everything being like it was before you were born is close to spot on, in my book. It only takes a little longer after one dies to get that way, because there are memories and perhaps physical impacts that need a bit of time to be forgotten or naturally reverted. That’s not to say I have no concern with death – it’s nothing to be welcomed for any of us or our families – but I’m not betting on a higher plane of existence out of it. Just live your life as a decent person, true to yourself and others (both human and nature), and you can’t go wrong, because should nothing follow the world would still have been a better place while you were here, and if a better place follows this life, then it is unlikely you’d be turned away for having been a decent person while alive.

If you are MGTOW when you are young you have no heart.
If you're not MGTOW when you are 20 you have no brain.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

THIS is truly where “equality” and final fairness comes in.

I haven’t read anyone else on this because I am more intrigued to read it after I respond, but I have put some thought into the matter in my 20s, and not really since. Yeah, I thought about it maybe once every couple of years, but keep going back the same thing I established then. Haven’t seen any indicator to change my mind yet.

People who have “death” experience and return (like from a drowning or other revival) speak of bright lights and their life flashing before their eyes. I also heard it said the brain can take up to a full 6 minutes to shown down permanently. So some pretty whacky s~~~ can go on in your head in that time. Two seconds could even feel like a week I suppose. People who have been revived from drowning describe a highly europhic state after the initial panic and they have succumbed.

My mother is a retired registered nurse and has seen it all.

I have concluded nothing happens after you die. Meaning… no hell, no heaven, none of that. We’re all just two goddam insignificant in the universe for there to be any kind of grand exit and champagne and porn with horny virgins. We’re such a goddam accident. Any closer or farther away from the sun, and we wouldn’t even exist. One microcell – and microsecond – determined your existence too.

Even your own choices are half chance.

However, when you turn one of those old TVs off, there’s a big flash of light, and then the bright light shrinks down to a pin size dot that stays for a few seconds and fades out. That’s what I think happens to your brain. You all have seen that.

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On our cottage TV (when I was a little kid), the dot stayed for much longer than that. So as soon as you flick it off, it doesn’t just *shut off*. There is “activity” where I suppose anything can happen, like when a computer gets a kernel panic and your screen goes all ape s~~~. I have no reason to think the brain would be any different. Technological devices are just a man made simple brain.

I had an electrical fire in my car (2009) and my car was “possessed” before it “died”. The headlights flickered on and off. The radio full volume. Even windows rolled up on their own, and the horn & starter motor went on and off. My car actually had it’s own “personality” for a few minutes. Like from the Stephen King book “Christine”.

“Judgement Day” isn’t so much about you or I being rerouted to some place we deserve to go…. but rather, we all become totally insignificant and turn to dust. So the “judgement day” makes us all equal in death. The rich/influential/famous are reduced to the same dust as the homeless meth addict. It’s a “step down” for some people and “step up” for others…. because some people actually LIVE in hell already.

So we should really not congratulate ourselves too much, or berate ourselves either.

That’s really all I have to say about that.

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Not just us humans, but all living matter on earth…. connected in some way.

On this thought I would append. The whole “death” thing is also connected to whether or not you believe in God. “God” to me is not some white haired man in the sky, an Allah or a Jehovah…. but “the natural way of things”. The absolute truth. The meaning of right and wrong. The way things ought to be. We are all born with this – even animals have it, and that’s how we’re all “connected”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[BDParticipant 1146]

Keymaster wrote:

“Judgement Day”

For me the only “Judgement Day” would be if I were to die slowly in a hospital bed, I would probably go into deep thought about my life, and I hope that I can live to my potential, with “No regrets”.

I agree with KeyMaster, I think the wheels on the bus just stop and that’s it.

I’ve thought about taking up Islam on their deal of 72 virgins, but I wouldn’t want to listen to them all so…..

and I sure don’t wish to be tasked with “Watching Over Everyone”

Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.

[RennieParticipant]

No school for it, never was.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

We never die due to the law of conservation of energy

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[Anonymous 42]

I experienced near death

@SM, my throbbing pinky just experienced a near death this morning; “13” stitches, one going through nail bed and pulling it back in place, COOOOL! I said the the girls that were assisting in the emergency  room “here’s how guys do their nails” with my hand out and my nail about 15 or 20 mm south of where it should be, ha ha, I’m damn lucky, only the tip got it, in the X ray it was a thousand little splinters on the very tip, the other tips looked like a duck bill,  the crushed pinky looked like a duck mouthed off to a steam roller., ha ha,,, I’m going to the pharmacy to get some pain killer and antibiotics. I requested to come back for local anesthesia instead, nope, puke-pills only, so if my spelling appears slurred over the next couple days you’ll know why.

Oh yea, I reported a huge black bear around the corner just a little while ago,  I warned a woman walking her dog of the danger,,,, to any feminist trolls, don’t think I’m becoming soft, I’m not, I was worried about the dog!

[FreeGhostSpectator 318]

I am also a big fan of meditation and understand your opinion of seeing the other side of reality directly though it. I see orbs (flashing b~~~~ of light) every night. I have 20/20 vision and no eye diseases displayed by doctor approval. I have also had visitation dreams of the dead. Saw multiple photo snapshots of my grandfather fighting against the Japanese on a Navy carrier during WWII (which he was on). I also saw my grandmother and dead lifetime dog in visitation dreams. These brightened dreams were unlike anything I have ever encountered before.  They all came to me telling me that “they were ok”. I believe all organized religions are fallacies, yet I feel that there is a soul. Human consciousness may be an eternal hive mind. I do believe we are all “one”.

[Anonymous 42]

@freeghost, do you have premonitions of the future that are so accurate it terrifies you? I think your dreams come from the same tear in the space time continuum that mine do (did), I wake up now sweating, and have for years when that tear tries open…

I know it sounds crazy and superstitious to those that haven’t experienced it, but never the less, when you see, hear, and feel tomorrow today and then have tomorrow happen EXACTLY as you saw it today, it leaves you with more questions than answers, it tears down all logic and leaves me knowing geometry is running parallel to a dimension unseen, I call it the tear…. It’s as real as reality, it’s a porthole to the future that only opens when I’m sleeping….It’s not like I can predict the future, it’s that I’ve seen the future when the tear decides to open without any input of my own, it just happens… I’m happier now that I wake up sweating. I’ll probably never sleep through another episode again, It’s more terrifying than any wimpy old nightmare….

[FreeGhostSpectator 318]

Tower, I have no sights of future scenarios. yet that there is a being that understands us all imo I do not believe in any religion by the way.

[ArchGHOWParticipant 42]

When you die, you die. You’re done; a corpse. Deal with it.

[Anonymous 42]

Religion will get you down, let you down, maintain a frown, but “faith” will lift you up!

“Seek and ye shall find”, “knock and it shall be opened”. I never discredit God, I go after my own vices instead. I believe in God, but everywhere I look these days I see the works of satin….

One may or may not believe in god, but good and evil are undeniable, I’m here for the good of my fellow man, and to help expose the evil of feminism…

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