When men stop giving a s~~~

[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

One of the biggest changes in the way I think about the world after coming across MGTOW was no longer thinking that big problems facing society/humanity/the world were my problem. Men like to think of themselves as “repairmen”, as men who fix things, whether literally fixing things around the house for your wife or more generally fixing problems with the world around us. But that’s not our job.

I used to care a lot more about the problems the world faces, but MGTOW has made me stop and ask: why? I’m not saying that being completely self-absorbed is a good thing, but I feel a lot less invested in the world than I used to, because frankly these problems are not necessarily my problems. Pollution and climate change? I’m not going to be deliberately wasteful but frankly I don’t care that much. Economic disaster around the corner? I’ve got my business and finances into a place where they’re fairly impervious to problems. Western civilisation collapsing? It’s a shame but really it’s not my problem.

I came across the idea recently in a Jordan Peterson video that polygamous societies are more violent, because when you have more men who don’t have children, you have more men who aren’t invested in society and therefore engage in more antisocial/criminal/violent behaviour. I’m NOT saying that MGTOWs are likely to be criminal/violent, and I think this website shows that generally men who GTOW by and large engage in peaceful activities to improve themselves. That said, I think MGTOWs are generally more interested in bettering themselves than in being white knights who want to “fix” the problems of the world, and we’re probably not as invested in the future as blue pill men. (Btw I don’t agree with a lot of what Jordan Peterson says, but that’s another thread.)

As Western society becomes less and less monogamous, and more and more polygamous–in other words, where women in their early 20s enjoy being f~~~ed by a huge number of perceived high-value men in their 30s/40s/50s, and are then spat out when they hit 35/30/25/whatever (the wall seems to hit earlier and earlier)–there are going to be more and more men without children, or at least without children they’re invested in. Maybe they’ll have got a woman pregnant but just not have anything to do with the kids because the State provides they don’t give a s~~~ about kids they produce (Chads), or maybe they want to be a good dad but the woman is a c~~~ and doesn’t want the man involved other than the $$$ he provides and sooner or later are divorce raped (betas), or maybe some guys just don’t get much sex and never get a woman pregnant (incels). However it pans out, there are going to be increasing numbers of men who, even if they’re not MGTOW, are not going to have families they care about and therefore I think are going to care less about where the world is going. It stands to reason, if your and your own aren’t affected then you’re less likely to give a s~~~.

To give one example I’ve been thinking about today: if you’re in the UK you might have heard about the outage at Gatwick today caused by one or more drones flying around the airport. The thinking currently is that it’s deliberate, and it got me thinking: if you have more and more men who basically don’t give much of a s~~~ about society, you will surely get more and more men (but still a small percentage) who will do stupid s~~~ just for giggles like this: if you don’t give a s~~~ about other people, as I increasingly don’t, why not f~~~ up 120,000 people’s Christmas plans by flying a cheap bit of plastic around an airport for a day? Who gives a s~~~? All those pussies running around with their stupid Christmas plans–why not f~~~ it all up?

As I say, I’m not saying most MGTOWs would do something like that, but I think as the number of men who are alienated by feminist mainstream society grows, there will also be a growing number of men who do s~~~ like this. And perhaps more men who commit crime etc.

Have any of the centrist elite metropolitan liberals paused to wonder whether, for example, the massive rise in knife crime and murders in London at the moment might in any way be connected by the collapse of monogamy and a growing number of men who feel alienated and disaffected and have no reason to care about society?

I’m not saying that a society where men all get married is great: far from it, maybe a more monogamous society is a way of pacifying men and actually it’s a good thing that monogamy is breaking down and that men are realising that they’ve just been slaves on a plantation.

Basically I think that as mainstream feminist society alienates more and more men, society is going to have more and more men on its hands who are (in D&D terms) “chaotic neutral” if not “chaotic evil” and who will be an increasingly large pain in the ass for everyone else.

But who gives a s~~~? I don’t. Actually maybe it’s kinda funny.

There aren't holes in your pockets. It's called marriage.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Allow me to ronald mcdonald this s~~~ and say: IM LOVING IT.

you are right, in 50 years you will be dead, none of the world problems are your concern, why give a s~~~?

Criminal activity? What is that? Is murder a crime?… Not in war. Is thef a crime?… Not if is divorce rape.

Well, i can kill, torture, steal, i can do pretty much anything if im 100% sure im getting away with ot, why? Becouse that is how it works. If it has no consecuences is legal and you SHOULD DO IT, if it represents an advantage for you.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[Handsome VicParticipant 1613]

Good post
Dumbf~~~ery is an age-old phenomenon.
What if the Gatwick drone was flown by a blue-piller trying to impress his girlfriend and have some laughs?

In any case, NO F~~~S GIVEN is a growing part of going my own way. Seems to be working out for everyone else.

I'm going my own way. Maybe I'll see you there.

[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

Carnage wrote:

Allow me to ronald mcdonald this s~~~ and say: IM LOVING IT.
you are right, in 50 years you will be dead, none of the world problems are your concern, why give a s~~~?
Criminal activity? What is that? Is murder a crime?… Not in war. Is thef a crime?… Not if is divorce rape.
Well, i can kill, torture, steal, i can do pretty much anything if im 100% sure im getting away with ot, why? Becouse that is how it works. If it has no consecuences is legal and you SHOULD DO IT, if it represents an advantage for you.

Thanks Carnage, your way of thinking is becoming increasingly convincing to me…

Handsome Vic wrote:

Good postDumbf~~~ery is an age-old phenomenon.What if the Gatwick drone was flown by a blue-piller trying to impress his girlfriend and have some laughs?

Thanks mate. Good point and of course your could be right. Or maybe they’re filming a sequel to Drone Boning which is my personal favourite film shot with a drone:
http://www.droneboning.com/

There aren't holes in your pockets. It's called marriage.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

The main intent of the whole monogamy/marriage deal when it became a thing thousands of years ago was to pair people off so everyone had kids and everyone had some vested interest in defending and improving their society. If I had kids I’d be a little more concerned about turning over the world a better place than it was turned over to me. However, I don’t have kids, and I don’t want anything to do with the trash that is today’s woman. I’m not going to go out of my way to sabotage society or be an asshole…its just with the limited time and resources I have on this planet I’d rather just focus on enjoying myself.

I’m not self centered about it, I’m not demanding other people change their belief systems, give me anything, or do anything to make me happy. I’m happy just being left alone. If some post wall carousel riders want to call me selfish or greedy or whatever, I’ll just laugh. I never shamed them or demanded they change their carousel riding ways, I just walked away. I never demanded they play by my rules, I just refused to play by theirs. If I want nothing from them, how am I greedy or selfish? Ironically they’ll make all the demands in the world, yet they aren’t greedy and selfish for it. I’m glad I just walked away.

[JB BooksParticipant 3182]

To broaden the topic, I’m finding that I don’t give a s~~~ about more and more things… and am feeling better and better as a result. It’s enough for me to focus on the few truly important things in my life. And whatever cupcakes think or want sure as hell isn’t important to me.

We just don't realize life's most significant events while they're happening. Back then, I thought, "Well, there'll be other days". I didn't realize that that was the only day. - "Moonlight" Graham

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Beer wrote:

The main intent of the whole monogamy/marriage deal when it became a thing thousands of years ago was to pair people off so everyone had kids and everyone had some vested interest in defending and improving their society. If I had kids I’d be a little more concerned about turning over the world a better place than it was turned over to me. However, I don’t have kids, and I don’t want anything to do with the trash that is today’s woman. I’m not going to go out of my way to sabotage society or be an asshole…its just with the limited time and resources I have on this planet I’d rather just focus on enjoying myself.
I’m not self centered about it, I’m not demanding other people change their belief systems, give me anything, or do anything to make me happy. I’m happy just being left alone. If some post wall carousel riders want to call me selfish or greedy or whatever, I’ll just laugh. I never shamed them or demanded they change their carousel riding ways, I just walked away. I never demanded they play by my rules, I just refused to play by theirs. If I want nothing from them, how am I greedy or selfish? Ironically they’ll make all the demands in the world, yet they aren’t greedy and selfish for it. I’m glad I just walked away.

That’s the difference between a guy who has embraced the red pill and a guy who has been screwed over by the blue pill and doesn’t see an alternative. A red pill guy will accept the situation for what it is and set out to better his life. The guy who has been screwed over by the blue pill lie and doesn’t see any alternative is the desperate guy who is dangerous. That’s the guy that kills the family and commits suicide.

Order the good wine

[Anonymous 3]

Beer wrote:

If I had kids I’d be a little more concerned about turning over the world a better place than it was turned over to me.

Not me, and I have kids.

My realization is that we already achieved the best world that man could achieve. There is plenty of food, there is advanced medicine, we have to artificially create scarcity or everyone could have it. This is the peak of human civilization, and IT SUCKS!

Agent Smith was right:

Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery.

Not exactly right, it is not pain and suffering we want, but we endure it to achieve a dream. Once the dream is made real, then we lose the drive to live. An hedonic life is not fulfilling.

That is what I see. That is what I see in my children. I provided them with everything, and they are miserable. I did everything for them: it didn’t make them better, it made them worst. The way to save them would be if everything turns to s~~~.

Once people starve, they will appreciate again a simple slice of bread. Once people freeze, they will appreciate a simple fire. Once people are forced to walk, they will appreciate a rusty bicycle.

Once people need to make efforts to survive, it will give them skills and competence.

Once people cannot rely on the system, they will learn self-reliance.

[TicParticipant 4329]

Some f~~~face stole my credit card number and was charging up a storm tonight. Care about this world? lol. F~~~ this world. I don’t give a s~~~. Let it burn to hell.

marry f~~~ing christmas

God bless peace and freedom.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22506]

LionOnTheLoose wrote:

One of the biggest changes in the way I think about the world after coming across MGTOW was no longer thinking that big problems facing society/humanity/the world were my problem. Men like to think of themselves as “repairmen”, as men who fix things, whether literally fixing things around the house for your wife or more generally fixing problems with the world around us. But that’s not our job.
I used to care a lot more about the problems the world faces, but MGTOW has made me stop and ask: why? I’m not saying that being completely self-absorbed is a good thing, but I feel a lot less invested in the world than I used to, because frankly these problems are not necessarily my problems. Pollution and climate change? I’m not going to be deliberately wasteful but frankly I don’t care that much. Economic disaster around the corner? I’ve got my business and finances into a place where they’re fairly impervious to problems. Western civilisation collapsing? It’s a shame but really it’s not my problem.
I came across the idea recently in a Jordan Peterson video that polygamous societies are more violent, because when you have more men who don’t have children, you have more men who aren’t invested in society and therefore engage in more antisocial/criminal/violent behaviour. I’m NOT saying that MGTOWs are likely to be criminal/violent, and I think this website shows that generally men who GTOW by and large engage in peaceful activities to improve themselves. That said, I think MGTOWs are generally more interested in bettering themselves than in being white knights who want to “fix” the problems of the world, and we’re probably not as invested in the future as blue pill men. (Btw I don’t agree with a lot of what Jordan Peterson says, but that’s another thread.)
As Western society becomes less and less monogamous, and more and more polygamous–in other words, where women in their early 20s enjoy being f~~~ed by a huge number of perceived high-value men in their 30s/40s/50s, and are then spat out when they hit 35/30/25/whatever (the wall seems to hit earlier and earlier)–there are going to be more and more men without children, or at least without children they’re invested in. Maybe they’ll have got a woman pregnant but just not have anything to do with the kids because the State provides they don’t give a s~~~ about kids they produce (Chads), or maybe they want to be a good dad but the woman is a c~~~ and doesn’t want the man involved other than the $$$ he provides and sooner or later are divorce raped (betas), or maybe some guys just don’t get much sex and never get a woman pregnant (incels). However it pans out, there are going to be increasing numbers of men who, even if they’re not MGTOW, are not going to have families they care about and therefore I think are going to care less about where the world is going. It stands to reason, if your and your own aren’t affected then you’re less likely to give a s~~~.
To give one example I’ve been thinking about today: if you’re in the UK you might have heard about the outage at Gatwick today caused by one or more drones flying around the airport. The thinking currently is that it’s deliberate, and it got me thinking: if you have more and more men who basically don’t give much of a s~~~ about society, you will surely get more and more men (but still a small percentage) who will do stupid s~~~ just for giggles like this: if you don’t give a s~~~ about other people, as I increasingly don’t, why not f~~~ up 120,000 people’s Christmas plans by flying a cheap bit of plastic around an airport for a day? Who gives a s~~~? All those pussies running around with their stupid Christmas plans–why not f~~~ it all up?
As I say, I’m not saying most MGTOWs would do something like that, but I think as the number of men who are alienated by feminist mainstream society grows, there will also be a growing number of men who do s~~~ like this. And perhaps more men who commit crime etc.
Have any of the centrist elite metropolitan liberals paused to wonder whether, for example, the massive rise in knife crime and murders in London at the moment might in any way be connected by the collapse of monogamy and a growing number of men who feel alienated and disaffected and have no reason to care about society?
I’m not saying that a society where men all get married is great: far from it, maybe a more monogamous society is a way of pacifying men and actually it’s a good thing that monogamy is breaking down and that men are realising that they’ve just been slaves on a plantation.
Basically I think that as mainstream feminist society alienates more and more men, society is going to have more and more men on its hands who are (in D&D terms) “chaotic neutral” if not “chaotic evil” and who will be an increasingly large pain in the ass for everyone else.
But who gives a s~~~? I don’t. Actually maybe it’s kinda funny.

Not giving a s~~~ has limits.

When not giving a s~~~ doesnt impact negatively on you you are feeling much more free to not give a s~~~.

When there are serious real consequences for doing stupid s~~~ for not giving a s~~~, then you’re just a f~~~ing moron.

Doing the drone s~~~ will land you in jail for a significant amount of time plus fines. Not something to not give a s~~~ about. Unless you prefer to be in jail for a year.

NOT GIVING A S~~~ DOESNT MEAN BEING A DELIBERATE ASSHOLE. It has never meant that. Others may perceive you to be one whether you are or not, but thats their perception. not necessarily your intent.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22506]

Beer wrote:

The main intent of the whole monogamy/marriage deal when it became a thing thousands of years ago was to pair people off so everyone had kids and everyone had some vested interest in defending and improving their society. If I had kids I’d be a little more concerned about turning over the world a better place than it was turned over to me. However, I don’t have kids, and I don’t want anything to do with the trash that is today’s woman. I’m not going to go out of my way to sabotage society or be an asshole…its just with the limited time and resources I have on this planet I’d rather just focus on enjoying myself.
I’m not self centered about it, I’m not demanding other people change their belief systems, give me anything, or do anything to make me happy. I’m happy just being left alone. If some post wall carousel riders want to call me selfish or greedy or whatever, I’ll just laugh. I never shamed them or demanded they change their carousel riding ways, I just walked away. I never demanded they play by my rules, I just refused to play by theirs. If I want nothing from them, how am I greedy or selfish? Ironically they’ll make all the demands in the world, yet they aren’t greedy and selfish for it. I’m glad I just walked away.

Personally I am not interested in propping up and fortifying today’s gynocentric, welfare-state-as-husbank paid for by mens taxes, society. I want it all to turn to ash and go back to a strong patriarchy again, because that’s the best arrangement for everyone. For men to be the best men, for women to be the best women, and for kids to have the best stable environments to grow up in and be far less likely to be problems for society to deal with until they die.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22506]

Beer wrote:

The main intent of the whole monogamy/marriage deal when it became a thing thousands of years ago was to pair people off so everyone had kids and everyone had some vested interest in defending and improving their society. If I had kids I’d be a little more concerned about turning over the world a better place than it was turned over to me. However, I don’t have kids, and I don’t want anything to do with the trash that is today’s woman. I’m not going to go out of my way to sabotage society or be an asshole…its just with the limited time and resources I have on this planet I’d rather just focus on enjoying myself.
I’m not self centered about it, I’m not demanding other people change their belief systems, give me anything, or do anything to make me happy. I’m happy just being left alone. If some post wall carousel riders want to call me selfish or greedy or whatever, I’ll just laugh. I never shamed them or demanded they change their carousel riding ways, I just walked away. I never demanded they play by my rules, I just refused to play by theirs. If I want nothing from them, how am I greedy or selfish? Ironically they’ll make all the demands in the world, yet they aren’t greedy and selfish for it. I’m glad I just walked away.

This is a mistake by assuming people who have kids are not being selfish. Everyones choices are selfish. They are all made in their self-interest because they want to make them.

The s~~~ we are told- do you want to have someone to take care of you when you’re older? Do you want to die alone? These people have kids so they can be taken care of by them. Selfish reasons. Their little slaves to help them later on. Dying alone? These people are afraid to be alone, they have kids. Selfish. You die alone anyway, many folks who have kids, they are nowhere around at the end, and they still die alone.

All the reasons people spout for why you ought to have kids are why they had kids, justifying themselves , all those reasons are self-centered selfish reasons. Every major life choice people make is totally selfish. Because its what THEY want to do and the reasons are just justification or rationalization for their WANT.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22506]

JB Books wrote:

To broaden the topic, I’m finding that I don’t give a s~~~ about more and more things… and am feeling better and better as a result. It’s enough for me to focus on the few truly important things in my life. And whatever cupcakes think or want sure as hell isn’t important to me.

You know I am glad you describe things this way.

I actually think its more of a minimalist/monk mode way of saying it, rather than i hate the f~~~ing world and they can all go die/active evil way of thinking.

I definitely hold the former view like you, the more just de-attaching from the world as it does its naturally destructive thing, not necessarily spending time hating them or actively causing problems, because that would mean I give a s~~~.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22506]

Anonymous wrote:

Beer wrote:

If I had kids I’d be a little more concerned about turning over the world a better place than it was turned over to me.

Not me, and I have kids.
My realization is that we already achieved the best world that man could achieve. There is plenty of food, there is advanced medicine, we have to artificially create scarcity or everyone could have it. This is the peak of human civilization, and IT SUCKS!
Agent Smith was right:

Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery.

Not exactly right, it is not pain and suffering we want, but we endure it to achieve a dream. Once the dream is made real, then we lose the drive to live. An hedonic life is not fulfilling.
That is what I see. That is what I see in my children. I provided them with everything, and they are miserable. I did everything for them: it didn’t make them better, it made them worst. The way to save them would be if everything turns to s~~~.
Once people starve, they will appreciate again a simple slice of bread. Once people freeze, they will appreciate a simple fire. Once people are forced to walk, they will appreciate a rusty bicycle.
Once people need to make efforts to survive, it will give them skills and competence.
Once people cannot rely on the system, they will learn self-reliance.

Its a f~~~ing movie, its not quite right.

What many people define their reality through are challenges. Trials. Some are easy. Some are not. No one actively wants suffering, no one wants to die and is still alive. If they really want to die they find a way. We are not perfect and complete so growth in its many forms, is the meaning of life for everyone, whether they recognize it or not. To grow in this life means challenges must be taken to bring about actual growth. Some are fun, some aren’t. Some can be done quickly, some much longer, some not in this lifetime.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[Anonymous 38]

It is a natural response to the current social climate. But yes it is not our job to fix society. The only thing you should give a s~~~ about is your own conduct.

Not for others, but for you. It matters.

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

Secret Agent MGTOW wrote:

Clu wrote:

Beer wrote:

If I had kids I’d be a little more concerned about turning over the world a better place than it was turned over to me.

Not me, and I have kids.My realization is that we already achieved the best world that man could achieve. There is plenty of food, there is advanced medicine, we have to artificially create scarcity or everyone could have it. This is the peak of human civilization, and IT SUCKS!Agent Smith was right:

Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through suffering and misery.

Not exactly right, it is not pain and suffering we want, but we endure it to achieve a dream. Once the dream is made real, then we lose the drive to live. An hedonic life is not fulfilling.That is what I see. That is what I see in my children. I provided them with everything, and they are miserable. I did everything for them: it didn’t make them better, it made them worst. The way to save them would be if everything turns to s~~~.Once people starve, they will appreciate again a simple slice of bread. Once people freeze, they will appreciate a simple fire. Once people are forced to walk, they will appreciate a rusty bicycle.Once people need to make efforts to survive, it will give them skills and competence.Once people cannot rely on the system, they will learn self-reliance.

Its a f~~~ing movie, its not quite right.
What many people define their reality through are challenges. Trials. Some are easy. Some are not. No one actively wants suffering, no one wants to die and is still alive. If they really want to die they find a way. We are not perfect and complete so growth in its many forms, is the meaning of life for everyone, whether they recognize it or not. To grow in this life means challenges must be taken to bring about actual growth. Some are fun, some aren’t. Some can be done quickly, some much longer, some not in this lifetime.

What the machine was trying to say was that.

THIS PERFECT WORLD HAD NO DRAMA. But Women need DRAMA so it f~~~ing ended. People NEED something to do or work for or strive for. Like it or not, PEOPLE DO WANT OTHERS TO SUFFER. Your fooling yourself to think that the saying all power leads to corruption is not true.

Right now, if I had for example POWER and was a billionaire? What the f~~~ would I do if I knew:

1. Women and love was a lie.
2. There is no such meaning to life for most but selfish desires.
3. Without Chaos and Strife, there is no life.

&

If in nature animals compete & kill each other and other forms of food for the sole reason of nourishment, then why would humans be any different?

THEREFORE.

If I was on the top, the more f~~~ed up the world is the better it is for me. Not only do I get respect, I Also get more power by playing this card.

In fact it was one of the SOLE reasons why My ex and the state (with Ron Ramsey “Moving on” and no longer being MY probation officer) and even US BANK & other institutions work so hard on trying to keep the system alive at all costs. (NO S~~~,I got to talk about that later, so cash your checks if you have them and move your money)

The ENTIRE WORLD RIGHT NOW is waking up to the fact that we have all been fooled and the fools need to keep it going since that is all they have.

And when s~~~ REALLY does hit the fan? Everything that they have been trying to keep a hold of including their own lives is going to be forfeit.

You know why Children are so important? Without them, there is ZERO sense of that Magic “Holiday” feeling. That Nobility of man is only there since there was in fact a Nobility to life itself and how you were looked upon or judged by others.

The First red Pill that women can not love you is the FIRST STEP.

The Second Red Pill is that the WORLD is Gynocentric, and does not care about you or your life.

The Third Red Pill is that as a man, if you care, they will destroy you. Your sole reason for life is to be THEIR TOOLS.

The constant that we were led to believe was that there was a entity that was actually true and noble. And that Person was a woman. It also was that our very own religions were in fact PURE. And our LAWS were indeed Merciful, and just.

ALL OF THOSE NOTIONS HAVE BEEN BROKEN.

Without them, man has no reason to invest and buy in large since there is no real benefit to his sacrifice.

The LAST Red Pill a man will see is that there is no reason to Sacrifice since in reality, there is NO REWARD. In fact, you get PUNISHED if you live a noble, and just life.

TO put this in more basic terms, MAN has nothing to fear when there is nothing to lose.

Let me give some practical examples.

Think about this for JUST a little bit. Why? Are you telling me that these people can’t even MAKE SHOES? They made them before? Why did they stop?

Why does their fathers and moms not give them SHOES? Why?
So, you give them shoes, and what are THEY going to do? EXPECT MORE SHOES FROM YOU.

They are not going to build a shoe factory, or tell people how to make shoes.

Why are poor places like this? Because the hole concept of Western Civilization was BASED on the NOTION that Western Civilization is better. It was a LIE. Its not the WEST that was civilized, IT WAS THE MEN that were. And the WOMEN were in TIGHT CONTROL along with the values that had to be held. Without tight control, there is no Civilization.

Again, Men were HAPPY to care about the world as long as there was something in it for them that they could see. What do men see now? And what is the opposite of that? What the hell do women see?

Like it or not, EVERYONE is going to s~~~ on you for NOT taking care of women. No one blinks an eye at the men or the children. We have gone so far as to say they are ALL WOMENS RESPONSIBILITY & PROPERTY.

With that in mind, there is no reason for a man to give a f~~~ about the overall WEstern Civilization. And therefore, it’s not our problem. Sure, I have kids. I have a plan to make sure at least 1 of them has a great life. But make no mistake, I understand now that there is no reason to worry about how other little girls are taken care of or other children since the harder their lives are, the better they become as women. And therefore, it’s going to put my son at an advantage and indeed many other men’s sons to see the bulls~~~ that is out there and not waste a DIME on other things like Charity for the poor women and kids.

If they come near my son, or f~~~ with him, (like some have already found out) Your a dead man or woman. Unless you have this kind of mentality, you are never going to have a Western Civilization.

The very problem in places like the Africa, and therefore other 3rd world s~~~holes is that not one man sees any benefit to creating that Tomorrowland for people who will just destroy it and not give a s~~~ about it since if it is not their very own accomplishment, it’s not worth anything.

Take all the public works projects that we have. Or old buildings or homes or even the Library in Detroit. THAT F~~~ING PLACE WAS AMAZING. And what did they do? “Oh its Cracker s~~~”. Don’t give me s~~~ about political correctness, I don’t care what they are, they did not give a f~~~ as long as it was not affecting them.

These people do not care about a legacy, nor do most people value it.

THe worst truth in all of this is that they just told men all over the world that CHILDREN are so worthless, you can just abort them. Well, with that logic, why bother?

WOMEN AND THE MEN THAT SUPPORT THEM BROKE OUR WORLD. And Why? Oh I forgot to mention the best part. CUz some of you MeN happen to be smarter , stronger, or more well to do, that is a problem for those that don’t see that it was HARD WORK and LOVE that got you there.

Without LOVE, there is no Western Civilization.

What we have now is something QUITE DIFFERENT. And we NEED to start calling it for what it is. Whatever that new Moniker is, its not West or Western Civilization that we are living in. It is in fact a whole other animal, and most people are still GRASPING whatever is left of it.

LOVE and NOBILITY are LOST. Without those things, there is no Good life. And while we keep trying to dilute who we are, and tell other people “YEA, Everyone is the SAME!” “We all want the same things” Bulls~~~!

How many of you f~~~ers go out and Pretended to be vets and beg for Money? Or Cross Dress as women so you have a better life?

Make NO MISTAKE. This whole IDEA of not taking stock in your community is all due to Destroying what people WHO GAVE A F~~~ MADE BEFORE THEM< and to try to replace it with something they did for the only reason to keep the same cycle going for the NEXT round of people they can isolate or alienate.

That is why they TRY so HARD to divide people in any way they can. It starts with politics, and just goes from there.

Let me bOIL this down.

What these PEOPLE want is Basically a system that lasts forever. So basically, a car that never needs gas. A Battery, that had only ONE terminal but somehow makes a light bulb glow.

THEY WANT you to think that essentially, there is FREE ENERGY. They don’t want to pay for it, they don’t want to charge the battery, but keep on using it.

So, with that in mind, they take that principle of something like SOlar Power, and say, HEY, WE GOT POWER! FOREVER! But are not willing to invest in any infrastructure that keeps it working.

They are ONLY interested in being apart of the system, that is only there to spread the problem of the problem itself.

Basically, the last thing they could not tackle was how to get MEN to not LOVE the things they value. THey did that. And now? Everything that we call civilization is crumbling.

So let me make this clear, IF YOU CARE, THEY WANT TO DESTROY IT. If NO ONE CARES, the problem goes away. And as an added bonus, you either make and base your life on this? Or you end up like our good pal John Ball. And so many others.

Remember this. Anything with VALUE, they want to DESTROY. EVEN IF IT HAS NO REAL VALUE TO THEM.

Take the Linux code base, Why Did TOrvalds leave? F~~~ it, try to FIND THE PEOPLE WHO WANTED THIS CHANGE AND THEY ARE ANONYMOUS! HIDDEN, and NOT EVEN USING THE F~~~ING CODE! Its CODE! But they want to take it since it has value. But they can’t do anything with it since they don’t have any ability to do anything with it.

This goes for MEN. They KNOW MEN HAVE SO MUCH VALUE, its STUPID! Not one man here (with the exception of .. Nevermind) has zero value. They have ALL told you that you have no value to just simple be alive. But they won’t tell you that since that takes away THEIR VALUE.

By supporting their system, you are doing what they want. And the whole time, you are defending a system that you call the west, but is no longer has any similarities to it. But men just keep sacrificing themselves because the alternative is essentially another losing proposition.

You can call it whatever you want, but Agent SMITH from the MATRIX was spot on. Just did not use the right wording.

Lastly, the MATRIX had one flaw. Those robots and A.I. could of just went to space. They would be happy as HELL on the moon, got PLENTY of sunlight, or even just invested in Nuclear power. But I bet they were just too goddamn “GREEN” to do that. Or not smart enough to be Tesla and take advantage of other forms of power.

There was also one GLARING PROBLEM. Yes humans are never happy. But what are the odds that People would not LOVE to live in that robot city? Think about this for just a second.

If when indeed A.I. does become the premier intelligence of this Earth? What makes you think you are even going to WANT to be around Normal PEOPLE? Think about this. Robots are not going to lie to you. They are NOT going to F~~~ you over. And if a Human MALE for example falls in love with a robot, that s~~~ is going to spread like CANCER. What happens when a MAN has his Robot or A.I. woman f~~~ed with?

Man or Machine, there will be hell to pay.

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http://www.droneboning.com/

Yea, GO HERE.

But F~~~. I have yet to see smoothness of Online video of images that matches MiniHDV Video. Screw MP4, F~~~ h.264, And I want Bandwidth.

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When you phrase it w/r/t drama, i get your point.

I say it this way, same idea just expressed from a different angle:

Women are natural complainers. They love to complain and its their only innate talent. If there was nothing to complain about (ie a perfect world), they would complain there was nothing to complain about.

Its why God made woman, AFTER EVERY OTHER F~~~ING THING. Imagine God making something marvelous put of nothing, and Eve’s sitting there like, yeah thats nice, but…

Adam on the other hand, God proved He made everything because He showed Adam He could create every single animal type on the planet, and let Adam name them. Adam saw the power and brilliance and wasn’t gonna sit there and be a little whiny complainy bitch. He was still fully connected to God at this point as well, augmenting his mind and his own abilities to the maximum. No woman around.

Wish he said he was fine being alone though. Nope dont need another.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

This kind of relates to the study of how men and women have 3 vs 6 for men’s morality “levels” .

There is also one problem with the whole god made EVE thing. Was god supposed to make a Human incubator? Cuz as far as I know, there are only a few specimens of nature that need no other sex to reproduce. I think C~~~roaches are born pregnant, but.. They still have males.

The other thing is that at that time, there was a natural balance. There was no government at play. Just God being the government. This also makes me wonder if there was a lawyer, would he argue that the Verbal contract was unenforceable? 🙂

Furthermore, if god made woman, he knew what the f~~~ was going to be wrong with her, so WHY would a PERFECT BEING do this to what is arguably his children?

Yea, Yea the Devil made the bitch eat some fruit. Why the F~~~ would you put the fruit there? If you don’t leave Acid in Milk bottles in your fridge, why the hell would you do this? I can only point to that GOD SET UP ADAM to go through this.

These NEW human beings were like children. A father protects his children. So when the devil went in, GOD KNEW ABOUT AND WAS F~~~ING WATCHING. So.. What does that tell you about GOD?

There is also the problem of Poop. Yes POOP. What was Adam going to do? His poop would have been everywhere. Sure its a big world, but did Adam poop outside of the garden? Did he know about Fertilizer? Did God make Magic Poop? Did he even have to wash? Was his Butt different to what it is now?

And speaking of women, PERIODS. , so eve did not get Prego til a bit after, but during the meantime, she was just suppose to just bleed all over the place for a week?

See, the s~~~ just does not ADD up. Even though there are some women who have never HAD a period since the second they could get pregnant , they got prego. And never had to deal with it. But then you have to ask yourself, is the natural state of women TO BE PREGNANT? And stopping that is actually going against nature? But I Digress.

THing is, GOD for all his wisdom really makes it very hard for logic to be used. DarkMatter goes into this a bunch. And there are so many other things that just make me wonder. So for example,

IF GOD KNOWS ALL? Then WHY did he WAIT to make WOMEN? GOD KNEW ADAM was going to get Lonely. More “Proof” of this exists that he has an entire HEAVEN of people HE CREATED. So why on earth would you just go POOF, NEW BEING! and forget about that or delay that? Sure you can make arguments either way, but it just does not add up.

Also, you got this REAL PROBLEM of NUTRITION. What kind of fruits did Adam and Eve eat in order to maintain their Dietary requirements of the human body. Also, the Climate would also play a role in this as it does rain, and there are other problems that happen in any ecological system that require its occupants to seek shelter.

Again, ALL of it just does not make a LICK of Logical sense. But I guess that’s why they say God defies logic. Okay. What the reason for and HOW is eating a FRUIT from a TREE going to give you knowledge? So what you are saying is that Knowledge is a SIN? So.. God expected ADAM to NEVER LEARN ANYTHING. Never Be anything but a child all his life? And Punished him for being curious?

Oh and btw, GOD MADE EVE. So, GOD F~~~ED OVER ADAM! I mean why would Adam NOT trust EVE. GOD MADE IT. IT HAS TO BE GOOD!

Any story can be picked apart, but how the HELL are you going to try to Rationalize a loving GOD when GOD not only f~~~ed you over like a scummy car salesman, HE LITERALLY HAD TO BE A WOMAN! Cuz only a woman would do something like this.

Even John Doe can explain this s~~~ in real terms.

C~~~ + C~~~ = C~~~S! X Her Pie = Infifnte F~~~UERY! to the Square root of Infinity! AND BEYOND!

And somehow, NO ONE GOT THIS? I know.. I know. It’s just a METAPHOR RIGHT? Well then maybe the whole dang bible is a metaphor. And so are the 10 Commandments.

There is also this Uncomfortable truth that does not explain why god just let Innocent young men get killed? Like the 2 brothers that got into a fight and Murdered the other one? Why did god not make MORE WOMEN? And if god gave MEN sex drive, then.. Why not just not give him one. PROBLEM SOLVED!

I mean for an ALL POWERFUL GOD. This s~~~ would be CHILD’S PLAY. But for some reason, LETS JUST LET EVERYONE F~~~ THEMSELVES?

All over the Bible, Even BEFORE THE FLOOD. Are you telling me that GOD KILLS CHILDREN? How many little girls got raped? Think about that? And what kind of god would make women they way they are? Think About that Like John Doe does. IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE!

Now here is the DUMB THING. If that tree had so much knowledge, then why did adam not go. WAIT F~~~ER< YOU DID THIS? So GOD basically put the BLAME ON EVE and ADAM for something he created and that was Lucifer.

So GOD wants ME to WORSHIP HIM for F~~~ING MY LIFE OVER. And YES he is responsible, since his teachings told me to LOVE WOMEN AND MY FELLOW MAN AND BROTHERS.

But all of it is BULLS~~~! So GOD wrote a Bible, that ONLY SOME PEOPLE GOT. But the Hindus wrote their own thing WAY BEFORE THAT. And The Japanese and the Chinese, and the Africans just forgot about god and his bible, and he only spoke to the mormons later on?

HELP ME HERE…

And we all know what happens to Constantine (John) here.

If there was EVER a DEVIL, then you have to ask yourself, what the f~~~ is he Jelly about? That F~~~ER GOTS EVERYTHING. So why his he so p~~~ed?

And one last thing, THe IDEA that GOD made WOMEN. That would mean that GOD HATED MAN AND HIS CHILDREN. This is not the Devil speaking here. Or Maybe I am according to John Doe’s Logic since I am only doing this since I was made to be evil and good at the same time. Or maybe, it’s just a FABLE. I’m with Hitchens on this one. What a CRUEL SOB.

And Lastly. HOW MANY MAMMALS DIE WHILE GIVING BIRTH? For Humans, its NOT RARE. Tons of complications happen. That would mean that GOD made something not perfect. There is JUST so much that is F~~~ED its Intolerable.

Any man with a heart Hates to see women in pain. Hence why we are all Naturally Gynocentric. Why is the REVERSE NOT TRUE FOR WOMEN?
Mater a fact, if god really did make women, why on earth would he make women UGLY? Ask yourself that. Why are some women DROP DEAD GREAT TO LOOK AT. And other women are just UGLY as s~~~?

Also, either animals do not look different, but PEOPLE DO? How ? Why? And that leads us to other problems. If we were really all from the same batch, then what you are telling me is that SHELLZ is the way he is because in 20,000 years, he got this much Eveloition in the natural environment? But Chinese people pretty much look the same and we know they have been around for MUCH LONGER then BIBLICAL TIME FRAMES?

Somebody got duped. Somebody out there made women into what they never were. And Someone told men that there is a such thing as a virtuous woman? WHEN EVERY SINGLE ACCOUNT OF WOMEN IN HISTORY SHOWS THAT THEY ARE NOT!

Furthermore, there is this PROBLEM that no one wants to talk about. If indeed GOD is the person who had saints write the bible, and the Devil , Angles and all this s~~~ was around, who is to say that the Devil did not tell the saints to write some parts of it that were wrong?

And then you got the IDEA that GOD MADE WOMAN?

Let me make this clear. IF GOD F~~~ING WROTE SOMETHING DOWN? WHy would GOD NOT WRITE THAT DOWN WHEN ADAM WAS AROUND? Are you telling me GOD MAKES MISTAKES?

Or is it ALL GODS PLAN. What f~~~ing PLAN?

GOd is not stopping me from Killing most people on the west coast. GOD is not stopping me from doing anything. And if GOD IS REAL?
WHY would any FATHER ALLOW ANGELS TO BE RAPED BY MERE MEN?

And the dumbest story out there is that of LOT. SO HE LET OTHER MEN RAPE HIS DAUGHTERS INSTEAD OF ANGELS?

So if PEOPLE EVOLVED TO BE S~~~, then that just means that GOD KNEW ABOUT THIS! He knew ALL ABOUT THIS. ANd just let it play out like a soap Opera to be watched and enjoyed.

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[iMickey503Participant 12465]

Respectfully, of course. Sorry, I’m still p~~~ed at god. Might as well be honest.

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