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An old sci-fi story explored this possibility. The men were rounded up and sent to breeding camps. The camps were not as much fun as it sounded at first to a thirteen year old boy (me). These days, I suppose the powers that be would do some kind of artificial insemination program, or just make kids in bottles like Huxley’s Brave New World. No pregnancy required, just egg + sperm + high-tech incubator = new tax payer on demand.
I agree with @ancientwisdom that the absolute disappearance of Blue Pill men will never happen: the biological urge is simply too strong for all men to surpress. But, I could foresee a scenario where increasing mobility (meaning weaker family ties), increased demands both societal and professional (meaning people will put up with less stress in their personal relations), and a less certain economic future will lead many men to decide that the marriage game is not worth playing. We see evidence of the trend already in industrialized nation where now the birth rate is below that necessary to sustain the population indefinitely among the more educated classes. Whether this trend will trickle down to the masses is uncertain. No doubt children of very irresponsible men see the consequences of their father’s actions, and perhaps they will also realize that marriage is not worth the risk. (There is a statistic floating around right now about how high the current illegitimate birth rate in the US is: maybe this is the result of biological imperative (little head) vs not wanting to marry (big head) .
I can foresee two scenarios based on how bad the problem is perceived to be. If it were truly deemed to be a serious matter, I think we’d see your scenario of government intervention playing out. They would take measures to insure the population was sustained at a necessary level probably by some combination of propaganda, patriotic appeal (lol), and regulations/laws. However, if the change was more gradual, then maybe @phoenix is right: you’d see a gradual power shift back to men and women would modify their behavior. But it might take more than just an attitude adjustment on the part of women to get men to crawl back in the shark infested waters without also making other legal changes too (such as divorce laws).
Anonymous43And in this corner we have……………. This place is like fight club, we need to be tougher than “I QUIT”, sure we need to watch what we say, but hey, I’m usually the one being the asshole throwing s~~~ around, I didn’t like it when ListenUp! QUIT! I don’t have a whole lot of admiration for “MEN” that “QUIT”, I’m in it for the bloody long haul!
S~~~! I’ve hauled my MGTOW philosophy through some very rough seas; alone, shammed, ridiculed, and dissuaded in every way possible, by every means at their disposal! I’m a battle hardened motherf~~~er with an impenetrable iron like skin! Flame proof too!
So, toughen up a little, and perhaps be more mellow on ridicule, and things may run smoother…. MHO (with a black eye)
So, toughen up a little, and perhaps be more mellow on ridicule
That’s the balance man, and we all have to strive to attain it. It’s easier for some than others but if we stick to the battle being more about what we’re dealing with OUT THERE, we can minimize friction in here.
Baz Lurman once said: “Remember the compliments you receive. Forget the insults”.
If you succeed in doing this….. tell me how.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
Anonymous43Baz Lurman once said: “Remember the compliments you receive. Forget the insults”.
A-men Bro, I’m still working on it myself… Seems the insults on my spirit from this feminist society have it “HANDS DOWN” over compliments… It’s just the nature of women…
But hey, I’m a happy guy; and that’s what miffs them most!
@victor It’s been addressed here many times that MGTOW is a lifestyle choice and not to be compared to a belief system – like religion. That’s why there are many religious MGTOW… and we ask that you kindly refrain from bringing religion into a MGTOW conversation
I’m not sure what the exact rule is, but it would seem shame if discussions about religion were totally prohibited.
I’ve learned a lot from other MGTOWs on this subject, and I’ve gained a lot of respect for their beliefs.
On the one hand, I agree that a person’s belief system in a higher power is irrelevant wrt being a MGTOW. But on a personal level, I enjoy learning what “code” other men live by, why they hold these beliefs and why. Maybe relegating these threads to the philosophy section with a trigger warning in the title and simply demanding that nobody talk in a demeaning fashion towards others might be enough to allow honest discussion without breaking down the cohesive structure of our group.
Just my two cents.
I’m not sure what the exact rule is, but it would seem shame if discussions about religion were totally prohibited.
Oh no! The discussions aren’t prohibited at ALL. You can discuss anything ever without limits. There was a thread called “religious MGTOW is it possible” (or something). No interest in prohibiting discussions. But when members are requesting to be deleted over it, or they are shooting flaming arrows at each other, then there’s a problem. And deleting the member is not the solution.
We have no desire to place ANY rules or restrictions… just politely asking for self-moderation and giving a reason.
Sick s~~~, nasty pictures, someone naked with a goat or members insulting each other is not the point here. The forums exist to create some unity. “you’re silly for believing in God” just doesn’t have any place here. That’s all.
Some asshole “Mad Dog” came here 3 days in a row promoting violence and AFTER – AFTER – explaining you can’t do that that s~~~, and giving him 101 reasons why it doesn’t work he had to be thrown out. Telling members they are weak pansy asses because we don’t believe in “beating” a woman as a acceptable method of controlling her — it does nothing for the credibility of MGTOW and that’s exactly why he was doing it. We can’t just allow everything. He wasn’t self moderating and was belligerent ON PURPOSE. We even emailed him first and there was no reply…. but he came back the next day and posted a bunch of s~~~?
If he was RIGHT – and believed he was right – he would email us back and say “hey that’s not unreasonable and here’s why”, but he KNEW it was unreasonable. He just wasn’t willing to self-moderate. I have no interest in moderating anyone! Not even him.
Self moderating. Basic courtesy. That’s it. It’s super easy.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.@keymaster Thanks for the clarification. I’m glad to hear this because I’ve found the vast majority of men on this site to be very mature and their opinions and experiences actually worth listening to.
Oh wait…no “Sick s~~~, nasty pictures, or someone naked with a goat” allowed? Oh that’s it then: I QUIT!
LOL
We owe it to the community to be true to everything MGTOW stands for. A member here is not just an email address. It’s a new life and maybe even a life saved. It’s their time and attention and investment. It’s really their hearts. The introductions show a level of honesty and openness you don’t see in forums about cars, for example. Its a really human thing here and there are entire sanities, mentalities and lives at stake.
Any friction, fighting, beating and war is to be reserved for what’s out there – for the purpose of knowledge and defense. Not amongst each other for any kind of attack.
In case I didn’t say it already. Welcome Math Ronin. Happy to have you here. Cheers.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.We owe it to the community to be true to everything MGTOW stands for. A member here is not just an email address. It’s a new life and maybe even a life saved. It’s their time and attention and investment. It’s really their hearts. … Not amongst each other for any kind of attack. In case I didn’t say it already. Welcome Math Ronin. Happy to have you here. Cheers.
Thank you.
As someone who considers myself rational and yet seriously contemplated suicide over a woman (because I was frustrated that I couldn’t please her undeserving ass and thought there was something wrong with me ), I agree about how important preserving what MGTOW is and how it may literally be “a life saved”. I’ve been trying to figure out why the guys on this site are different (than most sites on the Internet where people tend to naturally disagree and act nasty towards each other), and I think maybe the hell that most of us have gone through bonds us together and makes the real MGTOWs instinctively want to help each other.
To all you guys on here…I guess you probably think I must be a pussy for going off on Victor….I don’t give a s~~~ because he questioned my beliefs…I can respect that…he questioned my intelligence for having them…while at the same time being unable to factually prove his beliefs anymore than I can. How does that make him more intelligent? It doesn’t…it just makes him look like a pseudo intellectual know it all …I can at least accept the fact that I may be wrong. Men form their opinions based on their experiences and whether we disagree with them or not is no reason belittle their intelligence especially when we are supposed to be here to help each other. As for just saying”I quit” as a solution I did not say that lightly. It pains me to leave here…this place is like a refuge to me but when I come here I don’t want to be in defense mode . I deal with some degree of pain everyday and it takes a lot of my energy dealing with it while at the same trying to keep all my toys in one box, mentally speaking . I don’t have the energy or thick skin anymore for this stuff so I’ll just go focus on my well being. I do want to thank you guys though…even if you do think I’m an asshole…this place has helped me…a lot.
Anonymous43Sheese,,, I don’t think you’re an asshole! I think we’re all assholes! But just remember over all, we’re men first, assholes second.
No one thinks you’re an asshole, although at times we allow our asshole to rise over our man, relax dude, if someone does a cannon ball in the pool right next to you, ya don’t just get out and leave, go home on a hot day, and believe me, thanks to feminism, EVERY DAY’S A HOT DAY!
If ya do leave, please stop back time to time and let us know how you’re doing. Cheers
As it happens you weren’t a pussy for going off at Victor.
Any topic is up for discussion here. The minute a member starts shaming or questioning other members intelligence then they get a kick up the arse.
We are here to discuss and assist, something positive. We are not here to ridicule and show off who is the smartest or most “intellectual”.
Victor questioned my knowledge of WW2 not so long ago. Did it in some smug smart arse way without expanding or taking the time to share with me his knowledge. I immediately called him an arsehole for it.
/forums/topic/behold-it-is-an-anti-mgtow-video-complete-with-racist-overtones/page/2/
It’s a shame because Victor did have some good contributions, it was his attitude that needed a correction.
Perhaps he will reflect on this and ask KM for permission to come back and start behaving like an adult. Or perhaps he won’t.
Keep up the good work here gentlemen.
I’ll take a guess on what would happen, assuming that MGTOW is based on men’s interests.
At the very least:
Alimony would end.
Marriage would end.
Child Support would change or end.
Affirmative Action would end.
Government would change to its core.
Male birth control will be pushed forward and released.
Falsely accused men would be released and compensated.
The definitions of domestic violence and rape would fall into line with something reasonable.
Paternity fraud would be a crime.
Less men would live in poverty.
Women would be forced to sign for selective service.
Women would be made to wear the responsibility that come with there rights.
Young boys would receive better education.At the most:
The artificial womb would see funding upwards of several trillion dollars, it could see release.
The human race would strip its self of the constraints of gender or die.
Land whales would be exterminated.
Men would for once come together as one unit group and act in men’s interests for the benefit of all men.
Gynocentrism would die.
In the end:
Both men and women would better off and the human race would have taken an important step forward.A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!
First, note that Keymaster didn’t answer my questions, which I think are reasonable. The reality is that there is no basis for Keymaster’s intervention in this thread, for two reasons:
1. I didn’t insult religious people in the first place and my post didn’t challenge religion. My comments were completely taken out of context by both Keymaster and another member, who indulged in pompous, self-aggrandising rants after choosing to take offence. That’s female behaviour.
2. I have no interest in discussing religion on this forum, and so far I HAVEN’T discussed it at all. It is my critics on this thread who are assuming what my views are on the subject and saying that I am causing offence. Again, classic female shaming behaviour.
Now, let me deal with the other comments:
To all you guys on here…I guess you probably think I must be a pussy for going off on Victor….I don’t give a s~~~ because he questioned my beliefs…I can respect that…he questioned my intelligence for having them…
No I did not. Go back and look at my original comment. If I recall correctly, I made a passing reference in which I used the words “dumb and god-fearing”. It certainly wasn’t meant, and doesn’t imply, that all religious people are dumb. That’s just something you’re reading into it because you’re hysterical and emotional.
while at the same time being unable to factually prove his beliefs anymore than I can. How does that make him more intelligent? It doesn’t…it just makes him look like a pseudo intellectual know it all …
First, not being able to factually prove that something does not exist is not a good basis for believing that this something does exist. That’s weak reasoning and makes you appear childish.
Second, I actually take the moniker ‘pseudo intellectual’ as a compliment.
I can at least accept the fact that I may be wrong. Men form their opinions based on their experiences and whether we disagree with them or not is no reason belittle their intelligence especially when we are supposed to be here to help each other. As for just saying”I quit” as a solution I did not say that lightly. It pains me to leave here…this place is like a refuge to me but when I come here I don’t want to be in defense mode . I deal with some degree of pain everyday and it takes a lot of my energy dealing with it while at the same trying to keep all my toys in one box, mentally speaking . I don’t have the energy or thick skin anymore for this stuff so I’ll just go focus on my well being. I do want to thank you guys though…even if you do think I’m an asshole…this place has helped me…a lot.
The rest of what you say here is just irrelevant waffle and meandering since I never questioned or challenged your beliefs in the first place – it’s all in your head.
As it happens you weren’t a pussy for going off at Victor. Any topic is up for discussion here. The minute a member starts shaming or questioning other members intelligence then they get a kick up the arse.
I have done no such thing. You’re just playing to the gallery. It’s not a way to debate. It’s just what bullies do.
Victor questioned my knowledge of WW2 not so long ago. Did it in some smug smart arse way without expanding or taking the time to share with me his knowledge. I immediately called him an arsehole for it. /forums/topic/behold-it-is-an-anti-mgtow-video-complete-with-racist-overtones/page/2/
So that’s why your’ve decided to stick your oar in and jump off at the deep end like the rest? It’s ‘get your own back time’ because sissy was slighted on some random thread at some point in the past over something nobody remembers. This is how men behave?
Anyway, I am annoyed by ignorance about the Second World War. I didn’t respond further because I think you should educate yourself in the matter. If you call me an “arsehole”, what does that say about you? Do you really think you’re in a position to lecture to me or anybody else about etiquette on a forum?
It’s a shame because Victor did have some good contributions,
Back-tracking to salve your own guilt. I am the one being attacked here.
it was his attitude that needed a correction. Perhaps he will reflect on this
This is vague, mangina shaming language. Manginas and women and other make-helps use the word ‘attitude’ as a vague way of controlling and shaming others. The word itself doesn’t have any precise meaning and depends on perspective. What might be seen as a bad attitude might in fact be a constructive approach to things. In the case of this thread, I made a passing reference to religion without any intention of challenging or questioning it, and I get jumped on by two idiots: one going off on an emotive, logic-free rant, the other indulging in a pompous, po-faced lecture about etiquette when discussing religion, as if I’m a 5-year old.
What I find really funny is how men on here criticise gynocentrism but then engage in similar tactics because they can’t abide disagreement. That’s what this boils down to, but what’s worse is that I wasn’t even challenging the views of my attackers – they’ve jumped off at the deep end and misconstrued my contribution.
I am a man and I have a right to my own opinions. Deal with it.
and ask KM for permission to come back and start behaving like an adult. Or perhaps he won’t. Keep up the good work here gentlemen.
LOL. Ask for permission!! LOL. Listen sugar-bun, I don’t need to ask anyone’s permission to come back. If the owners of this site want to ban me, they can. Let them. If they don’t, they won’t. Does that help you?
I hope now that this will be my last contribution and I can move on and not return here, but if you want to bait me, then I WILL respond and stand up for myself – assuming I am not banned first. Silencing and shaming critics is of course a female tactic.
Anonymous43@victor Don’t speak about me like I’m not here. This member has been around much longer than you… but you sure do posture well for someone with suicidal thoughts like you expressed earlier. Remember that? Who the f~~~ would ever care about your well-being.
We lost a good member who’s been around for a year because of this Victor piece of s~~~.
QUOTE: “I know I’ve been behaving like an arsehole on here – but you’ve got to understand I’ve been suicidal and depressed”.
Nobody has *got* to understand jack s~~~, or give a damn about you. And you’re every reason why. Their time and responses are voluntary. Don’t demand that people care or put up with your s~~~ty second-class behavior. It’s a GIFT. But you know you’re an asshole. And you take that gift, stomp on it, and then demand others CARE about you? And now you’re pretending to be BETTER? You don’t even have respect for yourself! Be an asshole to yourself for a change.
I didn’t ban you. You should already be too f~~~ing ashamed of yourself to come here at all.
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VICTOR: “I’ve been suicidal and depressed.”
RESPONSE: “LOL You weak pansy ass feninine mangina. LOL Pull yourself together sugar-bun LOL Blah, blah, blah, sissy pants LOL”.
That’s exactly the response you deserve.
Listen sugar-bun, I don’t need to ask anyone’s permission to come back.
Yeah you do. Posting here is not your RIGHT. Get over yourself, sugar-bun.
But even if you did ask and you were on fire, I wouldn’t even P~~~ on you.DagigisUp was a good member. I’m so sorry to see him go.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I’m not baiting you here. Hope there is still a positive that can be had from this.
You basically said god fearing people were dumb and its the atheists who are intelligent. That’s what p~~~ed off Dagigisup.
With me you said I had no knowledge of WW2, no explanation, no check this link out, nothing.
With the guy who built this entire f~~~ing website you said all sorts of crazy.
You have made some great contributions on here, I genuinely mean that.
But it’s the way you like to point out how others are dumb or don’t know as much as you. Thats not on. I think calling you an arsehole for it is a fair call.
This site is for guys to help each other out and where knowledge is lacking give a little nudge in the right direction.
Perhaps you can cool down and reflect on this and maybe reach out to Dagigisup and get him back on the bus?
Lots of love,
Progenitor aka your little sugar bun (just don’t tell the other guys ok xoxoxo)
I agree with Atton. I think that if all men were MGTOW society would run exactly as it should. We don’t need blue-pill men. That is a myth. In fact I would say that blue-pills who go through their whole life without questioning their beliefs actually damage and pervert society. They make it worse. Because they allow themselves to be manipulated by lies, and so society becomes imperfect and controlled by liars (such as females). This world doesn’t need liars, or leeches, or people who use force or shaming to control other people, or force their beliefs on them. Those kinds of people have only survived so far because evolution as a biological process is imperfect, and because most men have never stood up to them and for themselves.
@victor. I’m not baiting you here. Hope there is still a positive that can be had from this. You basically said god fearing people were dumb and its the atheists who are intelligent.[quote]
NO I DID NOT SAY THAT. YOU ARE A F~~~ING LIAR!!
[quote=91164] That’s what p~~~ed off Dagigisup. With me you said I had no knowledge of WW2, no explanation, no check this link out, nothing.
So f~~~ing what??? Get over it. All I said was that you don’t know much about WW2. Nothing was implied in it. It’s your choice to take it the wrong way and make a big issue out of it and seek some kind of vindication you f~~~ing sissy.
With the guy who built this entire f~~~ing website you said all sorts of crazy. You have made some great contributions on here, I genuinely mean that. But it’s the way you like to point out how others are dumb or don’t know as much as you. Thats not on.
ONCE AGAIN, where -WHERE – WHERE, WHERE, WHERE, WHERE, F~~~ING WHERE – did I say others on here are dumb???? F~~~ING LIKE WHERE???????? WHERE????? Copy and paste the post here so we can all see. Not just the sentence, but the whole post. The actual remark was “God fearing and dumb” but if you look at the whole post and the context of it, it’s obvious that I don’t mean God-fearing or religious people are dumb and it’s obvious that I’m not calling anyone on here dumb. SO WHAT THE C~~~ING F~~~ IS THIS ALL ABOUT YOU F~~~ING LYING C~~~???
I think calling you an arsehole for it is a fair call.
No, it’s not a fair call. It’s just name-calling and it makes you a c~~~. I haven’t called anyone else on here dumb and you know it.
This site is for guys to help each other out and where knowledge is lacking give a little nudge in the right direction. Perhaps you can cool down and reflect on this
Perhaps you can stop lying you f~~~ing dishonest lying c~~~?????
I tried reaching out to you fella.
When you are so blinded by your own rage and self importance that you can’t remember or see what you have written that offends people, then you really are in a bad place. Hope you seek some professional help for that.
Here you go:
Victor: “It’s a bit like atheism: it’s good for people with the brains to handle it, but it might be better to let the masses stay dumb and god-fearing, at least for the time being”.
Good luck with it all.
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