What to do with Freedom?

[joetechParticipant]

Fragmented wrote:

Once you acknowledge that part of your body and mind will always crave something that’s bad for it … you must then learn to accept it, and live with it.

I figured out after my first divorce that the kind of women I’m attracted to are NOT the kind of women that are good for me. I wasn’t attracted to my second wife, but I liked her and respected her. I fell in love with her eventually, for all the good it did. Now, I just don’t bother anymore. I’m too old to play that game, but I have to admit that I long to wake up next to my best friend, which is what a wife is supposed to be. It’s too bad that’s not the case anymore.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[RASmanParticipant 1994]

Bulls~~~

I call major Bulls~~~.

What slave owner never said to his slaves “Freedom? You want freedom? Freedom for what? Huh? What would you do with ‘Freedom’? You wouldn’t know how to survive; you couldn’t survive! Masters give their slaves’ lives purpose and meaning. We tell you what to think and what to believe. Without us you are a useless spare part that is easily replaceable.”

This is how cults like the moonies and scientologists control their subjects; convince them their is no life or hope of survival outside – only hopeless isolation and loneliness. After this conditioning, the cult uses fear of expulsion from the security of the cult as a control tactic.

What to do with freedom?
How enslaved does one have to be before he realizes he’s a slave?

[It’sallbsParticipant]

“The best slave is the one who thinks he is free.” ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Greg Honda wrote:

Why do I need someone to need me?

Because for some reason you still seek validation from other people.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

Well, I have to hand it to you, Greg: It’s a great question.

But then it’s not necessarily a question which can’t be solved or answered, least of all by oodles of external suggestions but instead by and for yourself, which of course is the hardest part.

You know that kind of reminds me of a very recent video by huMan. You might have already discovered it yourself and it might well have inspired you to even come up with this very question of yours in the first place.

If this is not the case do feel free to check it out anyway and try to take as much from it as you can:

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

So finally the blinkers are off. You are free from relationship obligations, what now?…

Am I to wait for direction from an outside source who never seems to arrive in time to give my life meaning?

We have the hardest task. To be free is accept responsibility for our own lives. We can blame no one else for our mistakes, bask in the admiration of no one else for our sucesses.

Our world is a maze with no map. We go our own way, at our own risk, for our own reward, and hope that the goal was worth the journey.

I think many people intentionally become entangled w/the entrapments of social constructs (despite how meaningless the modern version of these constructs are) for the simple purposes of:

Gaining ‘acceptance’ of society

-AND-

To become so busy that they AVOID facing these exact existential questions you’re asking.

It’s much easier to be a busy body, than it is to face such questions. Ignorance is bliss.

Most people today are such superficial conformists/”normies” that they don’t even possess the: introspection, philosophical abstraction, and the grit to seriously ask these questions. They’re too busy playing fantasy football or keeping up with the Kardashians.

But, to your point, mankind has always asked these questions. They date back to over 2,000 years ago. Realizing one’s finitude and questioning the ultimate purpose is something we all do. The logical conclusion/answer to our limited existence on this planet, can drive one insane.

My favorite verse is in bold.

Ecclesiastes:

Vanity of vanities, all is vanity. What profit has a man from all his labor In which he toils under the sun?

One generation passes away, and another generation comes;
But the earth abides forever.
The sun also rises, and the sun goes down,
And hastens to the place where it arose.

The wind goes toward the south,
And turns around to the north;
The wind whirls about continually,
And comes again on its circuit.

All the rivers run into the sea,
Yet the sea is not full;
To the place from which the rivers come,
There they return again.

All things are full of labor;
Man cannot express it.
The eye is not satisfied with seeing,
Nor the ear filled with hearing.

That which has been is what will be,
That which is done is what will be done,
And there is nothing new under the sun.

Is there anything of which it may be said,
“See, this is new”?
It has already been in ancient times before us.

There is no remembrance of former things,
Nor will there be any remembrance of things that are to come
By those who will come after

Resident cynic.

[The Batman 2020Participant 2112]

You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take. Top Gun Thread

Your 20's are for learning, your 30's are for earning.

[Bloody HeartlandParticipant 693]

Fortunately I haven’t gone as far as many here; still young, as well as socially awkward, I’ve still been a bitch for some women in my past but at least I’ve never married. However, that makes it more difficult to give advice.

What I can say is that a shift in perspective has changed a lot for me. I am nowhere near as depressed or stressed out as I was nearly a year ago, all due to forgetting about impressing women and deciding to focus on what truly brings enjoyment to me.

Can’t deny we are hardwired for gynocentrism in a way, been protecting women since the stone age, but I feel a lot of it can be unlearned. Part of that is realizing that downplaying your own hobbies or even your own problems has been a result of women shaming men for not giving 100% of your attention to them.

Even so, some things can still feed a bit pointless. I’m a bit nihilistic so everything is ultimately pointless to me, so that doesn’t help. But I think if you don’t put too much pressure on yourself, you’ll find something you’re passionate about eventually.

Personally, I like to over analyze a lot of artsy stuff of all kinds, to discuss them and their effect on culture, their inspirations, and now through a MGTOW lense, deconstruct them and how some portray men as providers and women as sheltered. Additionally, Groundwork for the metaphysics of MGTOW (Marcus) on youtube has got me interested in the overall concept of romanticization, and may be a crucial element in a novel I plan to write.

The main thing for me is not to want for much beyond basic needs. Unrealistic to go without entirely, but some of my better moments in retrospect were times I was alone in the woods, no one to bother me. Doesn’t have to be that for you, just something simple that resonates with you.

Just some ideas that perhaps you can draw from in some way.

"I have the fury of my own momentum." "With this ring I thee wed. Fire walk with me."

[anonymousyamParticipant 4605]

Greg Honda wrote:

So finally the blinkers are off. You are free from relationship obligations, what now?

Live the mission out (which has been for over a year know officially but unofficially about 2.

Greg Honda wrote:

But something went wrong. Either you didn’t amass the wealth to attract a suitable mate, or your physicallity made you unappealing to those you wanted to attract, or you were just repulsed by what was on offer and decided to pass.

Actually my thing as that following the mission prevents me from going out on a rampage against a wife because i could not stand to lose everything and be f~~~ed over and just take it up the ass and that the better choice is to follow out my mission instead of that.

I see it as completely worthless to live out a life dedicating to supporting a wife till either my death or the divorce and then have it to where i have to spend the rest of my life in prison (or be killed by the police) and throw it all down the toliet not living life i wanted it. I can take jail and prison if the mission requires it but i will not waste my entire life rotting because of something contrary to it (with the mission it is not to get to life in prison or f~~~ing decades behind bars, i could survive that s~~~ but it sends me back).

Now for women they want me for multiple different reasons 1 is that i am crazy (not for attention or to impress people rather i am serious) 2 is that i am an asshole (just comes naturally) and 3 is my nice ass (genetics gave me this one). There are about 6 or 7 who want me right now (aka want to f~~~ me) and about 10 to 13 different options (meaning only potential people, not guarantees like the rest of them).

If i was to get into some bulls~~~ relationship it would not be about money as the women are not the age where it really counts as much yet (everyone is below 22 but the legal age or above). If i was in some bulls~~~ wedding and marriage it would be shotgun s~~~ living a trailer to where id eventually get divorced because i keep doing what i want or not making enough money (i am not stopping smoking, drinking, cutting, risking my life etc for a family), it would be more of honey sew up my gash then the traditional s~~~ but as i said no marriage.

Greg Honda wrote:

So now the dust has settled, you are no longer tied to anyone except financially in many cases, or through children that you rarely see.

Even if i had children id doubt at be tied to them (aka being forced to support them), ill cross state lines, ill live in a van, on the streets, in a tent or behind bars but then i doubt the state would want me connected to any kids i had anyway (those old f~~~s would know who i am and my reputation as i have one even this early on).

Greg Honda wrote:

What is the Goal of your Freedom?

Complete everything i need and ill either kill over in pursuit or shortly after but if i don’t die then ill just retire as much as possible into living in a mobile home hopefully having enough money gathered to drink or some job that pays (semi retirement).

Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.

[Greg HondaParticipant 6406]

anonymousyam wrote:

see it as completely worthless to live out a life dedicating to supporting a wife till either my death or the divorce and then have it to where i have to spend the rest of my life in prison (or be killed by the police) and throw it all down the toliet not living life i wanted

I feel the same way

It's Time to get Wise

[Billy&The CloneasaurusParticipant]

Kill ‘em all. Let god sort it out.

The answer, is no.

[EyeswideopenParticipant 2930]

Greg Honda;

I still struggle with the question you ask in your OP. Long story short, I don’t know the answer to your question.

I’m in my late 30s; the last 3 years have held a lot of emotional upsets for me. I became suddenly divorced when the ex monkey branched with a Chad, I was rendered homeless and my father rather suddenly passed away over the last few months.

I do not have children, I’m financial free and clear from the ex, I have no debts, and owe my home outright. I’m very thankful for my situation, but I’m left wondering what the next goal in my life will be. Before 40, I’ve achieved what most people have at retirement – through a lot of hard work and some luck.

I’m looking for my next challenge, but don’t know what it will be. I’ve always been goal oriented and achievement based but for the first time in my life I have no apparent goal to achieve.

I know I will never marry or co-habitat although I do enjoy the company of scandiously younger women from time to time. Acquiring stuff does not make me happy – I’m a minimalist in nature.

I live the quintessential bachelor lifestyle. I’m trying to gain wisdom but that is a function of age. Maybe I’m coming to the realization that life’s a journey and not a destination……..I apologize for my rambling musings.

- Marriage is described as an institution. You would have to be crazy to be commited to it. -"If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal. Not people or things" Albert Einstein

[WanderingMGTOWParticipant 288]

I can relate to many of the posts here, particularly the Greg Honda’s OP and Eyeswideopen. I’m glad we’re talking about this.

I’m still figuring it out for myself, but at the moment it’s about pursuing a big promotion at work to climb the ladder, interesting hobbies, a little side hustle, and service opportunities (Specifically aimed at helping other men).

I get a lot of satisfaction from building things as well as helping others.

I’ve dated since my divorce and honestly girlfriends take up so much time, its not worth it. It took a looong time and a lot of heartbreak for me to realize that.

Tired.

[ViciouscunningtreacherousParticipant 823]

You know what I’m hearing here? Us guys, because of our supposed loss of purpose, are pretty much all expanding our horizons through learned skills and talents, gaining knowledge and wisdom, and be coming better by the month. Kind of ironic that we, because we no longer prioritise women are making ourselves into what women say they want and we don’t want them anymore. Oh the rage they must feel! And they did it to themselves. The hole is real. But. Because we are men, we are the only ones to fill it for ourselves.

For in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.

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