What percentage/numbers of men are single/not in relationships (MGTOW)?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I am thinking of doing a video called “MGTOW: The Unknown Demographic” where I will touch on how single men who are going their own way, not marrying, maybe have loose connections to women, but not coupling, aren’t seen as a demographic group.  In order to do the video correctly, it would be useful to be able to verify how many men in North America, or elsewhere, would be MGTOW.  If there isn’t any information, then that is evidence, but if there is, that needs to be found by myself.  There is this (the attitude that MGTOW are just immature men who haven’t grown up yet.  My reply to that is MGTOW is to being a man what cardistry is doing card magic, it is its own category and valid subset):

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/bachelor-nation-70-men-aged-20-34-are-not-married

But, that number I believe would include men in common law marriages.

The point I have of the video is that MGTOW will get lumped in with men as a category, or singles as a category, and not seen a unique category/demographic.

So I am trying to look up something on this.  Any help for info would be beneficial.  I am going to try to show that MGTOW just are not seen in society.  And with this not being seen are lost business opportunities and more.

 

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[MOWsince95Participant 1446]

Seeing this I recalled an old article I read and searched for it.  The link below is not it specifically, and in fact is about a decade old so things have gotten even more MGTOW since then and the stats are even more against dating/marriage – at that time more than half of adults were married, today it’s less than half:   http://www.pewinternet.org/2006/02/13/romance-in-america/

Good image from that 2006 link:

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I imagine more women than men aren’t seeking a partner because women are “prizes to be sought” and men are supposed to do the seeking – this would explain why women are the primary whiners about MGTOWs not holding up their end of that deal, as we are supposed to chase their golden pussies all over the planet at any cost to elevate their false/undeserved sense of worth.

That article is a good start.  There is plenty of other info out there supporting it, and I guarantee you marketers are taking note of the growing demographic and what it may mean for businesses and opportunities.

If you are MGTOW when you are young you have no heart.
If you're not MGTOW when you are 20 you have no brain.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Thanks.  I will see what I can come up with for the video.  It would seem the MGTOW demographic is larger than the homosexual community, but isn’t even seen by most people.  In that is opportunity I believe.  I just have to question myself thinking I am the only one seeing it, or focused on it.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[WolfParticipant 890]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/bachelor-nation-70-men-aged-20-34-are-not-married

Not a single mention of how destructive family law is to men.

The article focuses on how marriage is crucial for “families” and “children”. This is a common tactic for those that are pro marriage. What they always fail to recognize is that not everyone wants children, and this number is growing – birth rates are significantly down across the western world. Take children out of the equation, and pro marriage folks have little ground to stand on.

Also, not surprisingly, the article shames men for not wanting marriage, which states:

Far too many young men have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility and self-sufficiency, roles generally associated with marriage and fatherhood.

So they are basically saying that MGTOW are irresponsible and dependent boys that need to grow up.

They can shame all they want, I won’t be getting married.

 

 

 

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Do not forget about married Mgtow. Married guys who are planning a divorce. Often waiting to ship the kids off to college. Typical separate beds called a SLEEPING DIVORCE.

I think a general belief, and it likely has a lot of validity, is that being married means you are restricted from really going your own way.  It is true a man can be married and live like a single man.  I also believed what can be found around MGTOW is useful for married me.   For what I am doing though, I believe it would be really hard to get numbers of men going MGTOW while in marriage.  Once they are divorced it is easier to see.

And my focus with the video is on the general view of society not seeing men who are not married as their own group.  They are out there, in increasing numbers, but not seen.  That is what I want to focus on.  Transexuals have a ton more awareness in society now as a group, than single men do, as far as I am concerned.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Anonymous 3]

Unfortunately, the vast majority of men are still in relationships or desperately seeking. Us true MGTOW are a tiny, infinitesimal number.

I know because the second even half of all men stood up and stated “we are being discriminated against and are sick of family law and affirmative action and all the other bulls~~~” you’d see politicians and women scurrying around in a total panic, desperate to concede and get men back to society. Society does not function without men doing all the work. Politicians, bankers, women and the rich all live entirely off of the labor and efforts of the common man.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Anonymous wrote:

Unfortunately, the vast majority of men are still in relationships or desperately seeking. Us true MGTOW are a tiny, infinitesimal number. I know because the second even half of all men stood up and stated “we are being discriminated against and are sick of family law and affirmative action and all the other bulls~~~” you’d see politicians and women scurrying around in a total panic, desperate to concede and get men back to society. Society does not function without men doing all the work. Politicians, bankers, women and the rich all live entirely off of the labor and efforts of the common man.

That chart posted above, ends up saying over 40% of single men aren’t looking for a long-term relationship or marriage, so I am thinking it is higher than maybe people think.  Men will look for short-term hookups they are up for dropping if it doesn’t work out, as per the survey.

I am also of the belief a man does MGTOW for himself only, not to try to change the world.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

But, that number I believe would include men in common law marriages.

So called common law “marriage” is a legal fiction invented to extract wealth from men anyways. It’s not a real thing. No man has EVER intentionally entered into a common law “marriage”. They just failed to bail out before the legal fiction was used to bite them in the ass.

As to how many MGTOW there are, I think the answer is more than anyone, including most of them themselves, suspect. Regardless of acronyms and titles there are simply a hell of a lot of men out there who sensibly intend to never get married. And won’t. An no amount of stupid pathetic shaming language from some media outlet who clearly has failed to understand anything is going to change that. Seriously, how the hell do they think mere disparagement of men’s maturity even compares to the other option on offer: losing half their stuff and the majority of their incomes for the next 18+ years to life?

MOWsince95 wrote:

I imagine more women than men aren’t seeking a partner because women are “prizes to be sought” and men are supposed to do the seeking

I suspect a large percentage of them are still busy riding the carousel. Give them a few years until they hit 30. After that they’re probably still not “seeking”, but they are very VERY bitter.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

sidecar wrote:

Regardless of acronyms and titles there are simply a hell of a lot of men out there who sensibly intend to never get married. And won’t. An no amount of stupid pathetic shaming language from some media outlet who clearly has failed to understand anything is going to change that.

Starting this year, NOBODY gets to shame men anymore for refusing to sign a marriage contract. Because for the first time in a century, 70% of men under 35 have not signed a marriage contract. It’s no longer a stigma by a long shot. It’s the MAJORITY. That aspect of MGTOW is already mainstream and totally acceptable whether anyone likes it or not. Be sure to rub their noses in it.

With regards to “the unknown demographic” just the introductions reveal that every 2nd or 3rd guy who arrives here and makes an intro is SHOCKED and expresses surprise that he is far from alone in his way of thinking. This reveals – beyond any conceivable doubt – that the actual number of men who are living MGTOW lifestyles must be 9X that of what we know – or infinitely greater.

Consider ACTUAL EXISTING MGTOW that we know of. Out of all of the feature 16 MGTOW channels we feature here (for example) only the Mayor of MGTOWN, Barbarossa & Messenger Rising signed up to our website – as far as we know. Niko Choski also may have – I think. That’s just 20% from a TINY population that we are AWARE of.

So that REALLY puts it in perspective.

MGTOW is “common sense for men” and there is NO denying it anymore.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 11]

Keymaster wrote:

70% of men under 35 have not signed a marriage contract.

When I was born, it was quite common for men and women to be married at 18 or 19. That is a tectonic scale shift.

Not getting married is survival for men these days. I know women have always had special quirky qualities, but the ones we face today are f~~~ing narcissistic monsters.

[Anonymous 42]

The number of single MGTOW not in a relationship must directly correspond to the same percentage of narcissistic women asking ” where are all the good men?” 90%? maybe more? I know I certainly turn down offers now more than ever! Perhaps the c~~~ carousel is spinning faster than ever! More girls hopping less available c~~~-poles and being flung off at greater speeds only to hit the Wall™.

I’m very happy here in the fun house of MGTOW watching it turn into the carousel from hell!

 

 

 

Climb aboard girls, meet the operator!

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I believe one useful tool MGTOW can develop, which apparently SJWs not only fail to develop, but use the lack of this as a weapon to manipulate others, is ability to not get shamed into doing what a MGTOW knows isn’t the right thing for him.  Any feeling of shame gets managed, and the MGTOW is able to move on, and do what needs to be done.  If you are doing things your own way, and standing on what you know is right, then you can’t afford to be moved off it.  I will add here, that doing this doesn’t mean I have to run over anyone else.  I am going my own way, others can go their own way, and I let them go.

Well, that is my take on this.  And I say welcome being Ninja now.  You just get the mental belches of discomfort by society, and not really heavy attack, outside of some shame articles by those who aren’t comfortable with non-conformity.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Keymaster wrote:

Starting this year, NOBODY gets to shame men anymore for refusing to sign a marriage contract.

Not that that’s stopping them from trying. Of course they don’t frame the shame in terms of marriage. Instead they try to shame men for related things like “playing too many video games” or “not having a real job” or whatever while only implying they should be slaving away for some post-carousel soon-to-be-single mother alimony leech. The 70% figure doesn’t mean they aren’t trying to shame men; it shows they’re failing.

70% of men under 35 have not signed a marriage contract.

And of course 35 is the magic age, because statistically if a man hasn’t been married by 35 he never will be. Sorry laydeez, the matrimony ship has sailed. Then it was captured by pirates, burned to the waterline, and sunk to the bottom. Yo-ho-ho.

This is why we’re seeing ever increasing bulls~~~ “common law” and “cohabitation” legislation. Men aren’t getting married, but the laydeez still want their pound of flesh, and politicians eager for cheap votes are more than willing to give it to them.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

sidecar wrote:

And of course 35 is the magic age, because statistically if a man hasn’t been married by 35 he never will be. Sorry laydeez, the matrimony ship has sailed. Then it was captured by pirates, burned to the waterline, and sunk to the bottom. Yo-ho-ho. This is why we’re seeing ever increasing bulls~~~ “common law” and “cohabitation” legislation. Men aren’t getting married, but the laydeez still want their pound of flesh, and politicians eager for cheap votes are more than willing to give it to them.

I would say that a MGTOW mastering the ability to not need to cohabitate with a woman, is a skill that would go far and spare them of that part.

So, what are the odds of marrying after 35, if you never did, for a man?  I am curious, because I did think the odds had to be close to zero, but didn’t see set numbers.  That fits me here, so I have to wonder.  With myself, even if were to want to marry (hypothetically) I would see the odds of doing that for me, with myself in my late 40s has to be close to zero.  Run the gauntlet of what is normally needed to work, and attraction and lifestyle, and it gets close to zero.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Anonymous 3]

Traditional thought is that after 35 men won’t get married, I can say there is just little interest in marriage after that age. But that’s also a different era where most women got married at 18/19, and there weren’t divorces like it is widespread now.

The pressure is getting stepped up. I do wonder if most men will stay unmarried now. The government hasn’t really stepped up any efforts to force men into marriage yet, I wonder if they will. There is just some shaming language, but if you get past 35 that matters less and less, as bachelor men really do ghost after those ages with ease.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Anonymous wrote:

Traditional thought is that after 35 men won’t get married, I can say there is just little interest in marriage after that age. But that’s also a different era where most women got married at 18/19, and there weren’t divorces like it is widespread now. The pressure is getting stepped up. I do wonder if most men will stay unmarried now. The government hasn’t really stepped up any efforts to force men into marriage yet, I wonder if they will. There is just some shaming language, but if you get past 35 that matters less and less, as bachelor men really do ghost after those ages with ease.

I think the masses aren’t even seeing that single men are a group that exists, so they don’t know who to put pressure on.  They are so obsessed with the norm, and presume men want to get laid as their main drive, they think they they will subject themselves to their sex drives eventually.  The pressure is now to “grow up” in the media, if anyone sees them, but mainly the core of MGTOW is going through the gaps.  MGTOW get attacked by feminists for being men, and tradcons attack MGTOW for being single, along with single women.  As a group unto themselves, MGTOW aren’t seen.  This can be a good thing, but it also means the world doesn’t know you have problems.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[AFTParticipant 2722]

Really interesting topic.

The fact is society is evolving away from the Blue Pill Disney Fantasy,

Keymaster wrote:

the actual number of men who are living MGTOW lifestyles must be 9X that of what we know – or infinitely greater

and that’s in a feminine primal Blue Pill Disney social order.

As Red Pill truths become widely accepted, logical and pragmatic men make logical pragmatic choices to remain single, MGTOW becomes the social norm, boys learn early from their peers and examples set by their older authority figures. This is what I see slowly happening as I read posts from younger and younger Red Pill aware MGTOWs.

Looking back in time I can identify a number of MGTOWs, men that never got married, or after divorce explaining how life was just better, simpler without the hassles of “codependency” (what a false title; should be called servitude, one way unilateral dependency), I’m truly amazed at my own development, how I now see sovereignty over my own domain as paramount.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

I would say that a MGTOW mastering the ability to not need to cohabitate with a woman, is a skill that would go far and spare them of that part.

Well that’s just it. In their greed women have driven men away from marriage. But their greed remains so now they’re driving men away from cohabitation. And they won’t stop there. Because women are incapable of comprehending the simple truth that when women punish men for doing the things women want men to do, men stop doing those things. Instead of recognizing their own responsibility they will always blame men. This will only end badly for them, but that’s not our problem.

So, what are the odds of marrying after 35, if you never did, for a man? I am curious, because I did think the odds had to be close to zero, but didn’t see set numbers.

From what I understand the number of men who marry after 35 or more years being single is so low that nobody even bothers to count it. “Effectively zero,” is what I’ve seen.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Sidecar, thanks.  And I guess that is a good point to touch on my video here.  If you really don’t see something on the Net, no one is really thinking about it, like seeing being a single man as a valid lifestyle and not a temporary position, just like over 35 never marrying, if they hadn’t before hand.  Don’t see it, think about it, so don’t measure it.  And with that comes MGTOW rising and no one noticing it.

And with this, note I am trying to reach for the right way to describe MGTOW here that can be measured, so I went single.  Just a clarification here overall.  It is like trying to nail jello to some degree.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[GrumpyParticipant]

Wolf wrote:

Far too many young men have failed to make a normal progression into adult roles of responsibility and self-sufficiency, roles generally associated with marriage and fatherhood.

Obviously I am a moron….

Since when was “responsibility and SELF-sufficiency” associated with a group (family/fatherhood) setting. It means SELF as in oneself.

What fat-assed, dildo sucking, parasitic, hamster loving, fruitbat came up with this analogy??

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