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There’s only one authority on earth.
But saying that, I’m with Sandals, if you study history you had more freedom under the old monarchies. You didnt have all the paraphernalia of this bulls~~~ bureaucracy world. You could carry weapons freely, borders were open or nonexistent. Politeness was confirmed by the fact that you could split in two anyone who truly offended you and took your own justice. If you were adventurous and wished to further yourself, you had to be prepared to put yourself at great risk. If you couldn’t swing a sword well there was always exploration, or heading out into the parts of the map that were blank. Yes the peasants were merely existing. The blue haired weakling assholes that call the shots today behind the threat of state violence would be yoked to a f~~~ing plow and cleaning the castle privy under feudalism. But a brave and smart man of any background could make his name and fortune by having mastered being good at being a man.
Democracy has neutered and yoked EVERYONE, the mad and the brave just the same as the natural serfs – the manginas and feminists. Democracy is almost as evil as pure communism. The state is king. The KING should be king, and if he doesn’t inspire, then he goes and a true King is found among the great men who have earned their status by honour, courage, wisdom.
I believe America’s founding fathers wanted to do a Republic, where you had the best get elected to serve. You also had a Bill of Rights, to prevent the masses from acting as a mob, to restrict them. However, there is the tendency to have the masses dictate things, or the elites end up taking more and more onto themselves, and gain more power. You then have elites who pander to the masses.
As for one thing that changes, it is very likely the introduction of cities and economic activity put people closer together, and there was no place to leave at all. You had to make peace with your neighbor, and couldn’t just do things your own way. Exile was out also, as a punishment, because there was less wilderness. You couldn’t just ship men off to Australia, for example, and make them go away. I would speculate prisons replaced exile as punishment, as frontiers went away. This is just speculation on my part, as I don’t have time now to do research.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Anonymous14Instead of writing a novel in response, I am going to just do this a briefly as possible-
I applaud your Occupy Movement participation, part of the long running theme of divide and conquer can be seen in how the movement was co-opted by MSM Left and demonized by MSM Right. I know on the ground there were many Ron Paul types in there early on. I had a friend who left the country for good after he saw an undercover cop drop a badge on accident as he was busting up some store fronts, obviously there were attempts to make the movement look bad.
Understanding the lies you have been told about WW2 Germany will help you more understand what the world faces today, as there is a long running theme here of Jewish influence, or better to say, those who identify as being Jewish, controlling or seeking to control nearly every cornerstone of society from Banking to Media and beyond.
I agree that this site does feel a bit Breitbart. Muslim bashing, although it has faded a bit, was a big thing a year or two ago. Geller and team Zionist Breitbart has a lot to do with that. Basically how I see it is that Jews are playing both sides, therefore they always get what they want, and they all collectively, for the most part, do not focus on Israel, bulls~~~ within Israel, nor shining a Leftist spotlight on it, ever, Israel gets a free pass from both sides at all times.
As far as your comment about Nationalism and Identity not being able to accomplish much, I will point you towards Iceland, they have a strong, non mixed up identity, and they were the only nation to push the banker bulls~~~ back a bit. So, though I do not advocate Nationalism as something to strive for based on race, I do see that, yes, people can be more unified by race or religion than when they are mixed up and infighting. And in the West, the push seems to be to mix up and cause infighting in all nations except Israel.
Sorry if I did not address some points, just kinda rushed through this and got it out fast.
Oh, and I am no fan of Trump, like Obama he talked a good game but will deliver almost nothing, he just the current Faceman for the Team Zionist War Machine, Pro Big F~~~ing Government, Pro Banker/FIAT Money Never Ending Bulls~~~ Machine.
Op has defended his position well.
You have to give him that.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
Just don’t do a Nagolbud.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
Anonymous6What happens around alt-right, and what I see here, is the desire to be tolerant, if not supportive, of authoritarian ideologies, that push for uniformity, and advancement of groups that share a common attribute.
All you’ve done is assert this. You haven’t demonstrated it in the least. It appears that you’re making an a priori assertion, either way you’re attempt at baiting people has worked to an extend as exhibited on the other parts of this thread but wont work on me. So, I’ll be waiting for you to actually DEMONSTRATE your assertion rather than just assuming it.
Anonymous12Men are disciplined and focused. Men are conservative and care about their culture and nation.
By supporting traditional concepts like ethnicity and strong leadership it benefits all of us.
Anonymous14White supremacy is just one of many. I listed it as an example. When you see someone advocating hours be spent on trying to improve one’s perception of Hitler, for example, it is getting there. When you hear screaming about Muslims, it is getting there.
I think you are missing something here. Blades interest in the truth about WW2 Germany has actually toned down any bigotry that has historically come from him. He see’s that the Germans were actually allied with brown and black Iraqi and Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims, and they were all against Jewish influence/land theft/control of society. All of Western society has been told lies and fed misconceptions by heavily Jewish influenced media and publishing for many decades now. And when Breitbart directs all hate and wrong doing onto Muslims being Team Zionist as they are, well, learning just what in the actual f~~~ is going on and has been going on REDUCES bigotry. You seem to have missed this insight in regards to Blade though, completely.
You have also tied White Supremacy to a lie in a way by not knowing history yourself. You have been conditioned to believe this is all that Hitler and WW2 Germany was about… The truth is the only group he targeted, Jews, were White, just as most of Germany was. That is not racism. Just because Jews identify as Semites does not make them Semites, most of them are White after the 7th century takeover of the identity by European Whites. Also, there was no lynching of Blacks in Germany back when it was happening in the U.S. Then we have Germany’s allies, they were certainly not only made up of other predominantly White countries…Japan, Iraq, Thailand, Burma… You have been fed lies by fake Semites your entire life until it has become nothing more than a conditioned response to equate WW2 Germany with White Supremacy, when all facts point to that not being the entire truth of it all really. In fact the extent of it is quite debatable.
Understanding history, and trying to push White Supremacy are two totally different things, yet you attempt to make them one in the same. Your argument is well suited for sites like Stormfront though, not so sure here, just call out bigotry where you see it like I do, and move on.
In short you are just giving a conditioned response that allows you to lump people into a hate group, which is how this whole thread even came about. It is also a common theme I see from the Left.
Anonymous1There’s only one authority on earth.
But saying that, I’m with Sandals, if you study history you had more freedom under the old monarchies. You didnt have all the paraphernalia of this bulls~~~ bureaucracy world. You could carry weapons freely, borders were open or nonexistent. Politeness was confirmed by the fact that you could split in two anyone who truly offended you and took your own justice. If you were adventurous and wished to further yourself, you had to be prepared to put yourself at great risk. If you couldn’t swing a sword well there was always exploration, or heading out into the parts of the map that were blank. Yes the peasants were merely existing. The blue haired weakling assholes that call the shots today behind the threat of state violence would be yoked to a f~~~ing plow and cleaning the castle privy under feudalism. But a brave and smart man of any background could make his name and fortune by having mastered being good at being a man.
Democracy has neutered and yoked EVERYONE, the mad and the brave just the same as the natural serfs – the manginas and feminists. Democracy is almost as evil as pure communism. The state is king. The KING should be king, and if he doesn’t inspire, then he goes and a true King is found among the great men who have earned their status by honour, courage, wisdom.
2017-12-01 at 6:43 AM
Thats the “Old Way.” I’d like to see a return to those days as well. Back to a Heroic Culture.
Op has defended his position well.
You have to give him that.
The real short of it, with my biases is, that being normal hasn’t worked for me. I am multiple steps off the standard deviation curve, and my only hope is to find value in being different. I find any attempt to push a collectivist set of values on me, and do pressure of society to conform, is going to leave me in worse of a state. When I see what looks like that hovering around the MGTOWsphere, I will balk at it, and do balk at it.
Politically, if you want to know where I am, I am my own thing. I would call it “Metarchist” in that, it is beyond even anarchy to say that no single government form is in appropriate, just there can be wrong places, and it is the job for humans to be beyond this. I realize how little power I have in things, so I adapt accordingly. With this, I don’t end up have any need for anyone to agree with me. Even with my doing Christianity, I don’t push it. I am trying to work it out. But, I just don’t fit anywhere. I take from MGTOW, I Go My Own Way, rather than Men Go Their Own Way Together.
So, anyhow, take what I wrote, and use it for the context of asking how having authoritarianism in any way politically, would benefit MGTOW. I know the original manifesto would benefit more from collective action to produce outcomes. I just don’t buy into it.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
I accept what you are saying IGMOW and understand that you recognise your uniqueness and how you differentiate how you are moving forwards when compared to others.
I think I understand what you are saying in terms of Metarchist too. Even anarchy has its collectives.
I also think it entirely natural to seek meaning and a definition for what we think, feel and do.
I read this thread but it wasn’t always easy.
Your OP was an acceptable thing to posit but I see why some found it hard to read and respond to.
I ain’t telling you what to do – but in my short experience of this site the way to talk about even the most complicated subjects such as politically ideologies and leanings, the power of the state vs the pople etc is to just keep it Tom the basic components.
Not because people can’t digest what is being discussed but there is more scope for miscommunication and misunderstanding.
Just my view and also saying I might be wrong. I like thinkers who look deeply at concepts etc. And I admire your view – being a metarchist
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
The net whole of what I have is a work in progress. I will come out here, and say what bothers me most about Trump is the authoritarian tendencies, and relating to MGTOW, how those get heralded as “awesome” and “strong leadership”. There is this part I have some dismay over, because I see it running counter to a bunch of desire for autonomy and being my own thing. I see, in the battle against SJWs, there is compromising a lot. I won’t say all of it is here, just enough. For example, I ended up dismayed that the likes of Stefan Molyneux, Mr. Anti-State and force and so on, went pro-Trump, out of fear of Muslims, from what I can tell. He isn’t even an American, but a Canadian, and won’t leave his socialized medicine either of Canada. You even see Infowars going pro-state, and supporting Trump, despite being anti-government forever. But, here is how the game works. Moment power seems obtainable to affect change, the temptation is to compromise, in the name of having ends achieved.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Good luck finding a benevolent King. What will happen is that you will get a King, and he will then go off and impose decrees you must obey or face severe consequences. Do you want that?
Uh…. Do I gotta spell it out for ya???
Why questions do get asked, is everyone feels a need to compromise, and goes for the lesser evil. That is why.
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IGMOW – don’t you think tho that pro trump members are simply seeing the good in what’s a bad situation?
Yes perhaps it’s a matter of trump being the lesser of the two evils but it’s not being unrealistic.
When we get into debates in this forum we can outline the political ideals we hold which are going to different to what we might say we support in the real world.
It’s not holding double standards either. It’s about having a view of the situation as it stands and holding a view about what is the most politically ideal for each of us.
So we say we support Trump even thought he might display authoritatian views but that doesn’t mean we support an authoritarian government.
It means we see it as the best of the worst may be.But as a number of us have said – being real right wing is about small government.
Don’t forget Nazism was left wing. National Socialist so true big Government authoritarian.The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
I think this clown is trying to trigger people.
Where the hell did he/she get the idea that MGTOW members advocate white supremacy?
That’s a red herring.
I can’t think of anyone, anywhere that actually advocates white supremacy.I have seen plenty of public examples of jewish, black and, specifically, Mexican supremacy over whites. No one in MGTOW claims this, of course.
I haven’t seen or heard any valid reasons or evidence to support this, though.
I’m inclined to agree. I’m disappointed in IGMOW. Seemed legit. Now I’m starting to question the poster may be a tuna/fisher..
IGMOW,
You make a few valid points but I am curious about the link you see between MGTOW and outright Authoritarian ideologies.
I am also curious about the perceived link to white supremacy and the views of some members here.
I am not saying you are wrong but let me emphasis that by saying that I am not suggesting you are correct either.
I am saying that I have an entirely open mind and merely ask that you show me that evidence if you will.A lot gets written on here and naturally it’s a lot to digest so perhaps I have missed it.
Can you help?
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius
IGMOW,
You make a few valid points but I am curious about the link you see between MGTOW and outright Authoritarian ideologies.
My take, based on my going with MGTOW as “IGMOW” (Myself being a Man Going My Own Way), is that I don’t see why any man who decides to go his own way, would feel drawn to anything which would end up having him try to join anything collectivist in nature and promoting it. However, what I do see is some read “MGTOW” as “MGTOW Together” and see “their” as referring to themselves collectively, or all men collectively, and it is their own collective path separately. For those who go in this direction, right to calling others in the MGTOWsphere “brothers”, you are going to find some commonality. In this is combating SJWs, Feminists and Progressives. While the idea of autonomy is the draw, there is an underlying degree of views held as valid. Go into the MGTOW channels on Youtube, and see the fighting over this and that. Look at on here also. I call all this the “MGTOWsphere”, and it is near the “Manosphere’ actually. And with this, which also is around the alt-right side, you see individuals who have a racial supremacist bent to them, who seek to recruit men to their agenda. They think they see allies here and new recruits. In this, there is a fighting against progressivism, and opposition is seen as support for something that opposes.
I am also curious about the perceived link to white supremacy and the views of some members here.
Look at the posts on here. You had one trying to get Hitler not thought as bad. There is another one on the geocide of whites. You see repeatedly discussion of Jews trying to run things, and an anti-Jew bent to it. It is in this space. This space hovers around Trump to, and a lack of a basket for deplorables, has everything lumped together.
Because of this floating around, I had asked what the benefit would be to end up holding to, and promoting ideologies, which promote authoritarianism. Some hold this, and you saw it here. But for a man going non-conformist, it is a problem.
Not, what I say here isn’t about all, or even most men in the MGTOWsphere. I would hold most would be libertarian, but there are some the other political side, and end up being akin to fascist.
Speaking on this fascist, Wolfenstein 2 came out, and you saw a number get upset about it, seeing it as a liberal fantasy. You have individuals offended that Nazis would be attacked.
I am not saying you are wrong but let me emphasis that by saying that I am not suggesting you are correct either.
I am saying that I have an entirely open mind and merely ask that you show me that evidence if you will.It isn’t all. It isn’t even most. It is some. And with that, what was left was myself asking a question of why to go for that?
A lot gets written on here and naturally it’s a lot to digest so perhaps I have missed it.
Can you help?I just wrote now. I had been away over a day here. I have other things to do. I only write, etc… when I feel like it. I have other things more important than being on here actually.
I should add also, when I refer to “MGTOW” here, I am referring to individual men going their own way, avoiding marriage, etc… I didn’t mean it as an ideology, movement, or whatever else, just individual men who have opted out of the plantation, and the whole marriage thing, and also seek to end up non-conforming.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
I think this clown is trying to trigger people.
Where the hell did he/she get the idea that MGTOW members advocate white supremacy?
That’s a red herring.
I can’t think of anyone, anywhere that actually advocates white supremacy.I have seen plenty of public examples of jewish, black and, specifically, Mexican supremacy over whites. No one in MGTOW claims this, of course.
I haven’t seen or heard any valid reasons or evidence to support this, though.
I’m inclined to agree. I’m disappointed in IGMOW. Seemed legit. Now I’m starting to question the poster may be a tuna/fisher..
I have some regret, over a year ago, throwing the word “tuna” out there. I hadn’t seen fisher before this. I understand “tuna” would be akin to mangina in what it means. Maybe you feel that. I don’t care actually. I am who I am. If you mean fisher as someone probing, to some extent I am. I have to wonder why some thoughts go the way they do, outside of maybe being SO opposed to something, or fearful, it is driving things certain way. I thinking different. I had too many years exposed to liberalism and progressivism. My ties now are mainly a degree of welfare or safety net, but on the culture side, I would be more real egalitarian than anything else, and tied of SJW/Progressive pushing inequality as a way to gain an advantage. As a single white man, I am arguably part of the most invisible demographic in society, and have little interest in “checking my privilege” which I actually did, and found it didn’t even buy me a coffee.
So, exactly what else do you expect for a man to be MGTOW anyhow, outside of not marrying, and not marrying, and not deciding to marrying as a cure all, and going his own way, wherever it leads? Apparently, there is a bunch of unwritten and implied shibboleths that need to be met, or a guys isn’t MGTOW. I hold just because a guy isn’t married, and won’t marry, doesn’t mean anything but that, which is why I consider “brother” to be absurd thing to say to any group of men you don’t know. There is little in common now, outside of not marrying.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Is promoting GOD considered an authoritarian Ideology?
I say my god has the highest authoritative signature
over my flesh on the entire earth.
This ideology is specifically mine so as not to force my god onto you and infringe on your right to choose your spiritual guide.
I will be literally using My father’s Identity and signing his name to endorse my own rights.
I claim my creator is self evidently my earthly father who’s spirit is alive in my heart hosted by Jesus.
Using my full written authority to the ownership of my flesh he has everything needed to be a living breathing
man. Spirit, Flesh and Identity.
My god is for me a one true living God.
I shall have no God before my god.
This is my courtroom defense
all just governance derives its authority from the consent of the governed.
I am a slave to my heavenly fathers spiritual guidance.
A slave has no authority and I cannot consent to give, that which I do not possess.
I am not going my own way and beg tolerance from the members for I do not have the free will to go my own way, but must do the will of my heavenly father.
I am married to Jesus and married men are not MGTOW.
Mercy and grace I ask with a humble heart.
Please let me stay.
I need this place for I am still a political refugee.I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
A church is established by a marriage to Jesus
My alias is my married name Bob Christ
I am A man named Christ who is insisting that my father is god. Its true and void of any lies,
Has anyone evidence otherwise?
I am honoring my father with all my future public works
Honoring my mother as it was filed on her birth date.
The judge had already signed the order of commitment commanding that I be taken into custody by any agent authorized by law. In my heavenly fathers spirit I obeyed the judges command as my father has never give up custody of me. He is the highest custodial agent authorized by law.I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
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