What is the point of trying to be a rights activist?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Here is the video of the scream redheaded feminist woman screaming “patriarchy” and a clash between feminists and MRA:

This is the life of an activist.  A question I have here is: What is exactly gained by doing this?  You end up looking like an ass on Youtube, and do you actually change the world?  How exactly, getting into a screaming match, does anyone happen to make any progress?

 

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[griffinParticipant 189]

There is never anything to be gained by involving yourself in any kind of “polarized” debate, issue or cause…and everything is this social reality is POLARIZED!

Hence the beauty of MGTOW….just walk away. This is how you make progress; by helping yourself to your own dreams and goals in YOUR reality.

I suppose the argument could be made that if enough men walked away, perhaps things would change by default. But/so either way it’s a win/ (possible win) scenario.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

What exactly is gained by doing this: attention
You end up looking like an ass: subjective
Do you actually change the world: yes
How exactly does anyone happen to make any progress: whether it is whispered or shouted the idea is spread and 10% is all it takes to change public opinion.

Is this guy an ass? Did he change anything? Did he make any progress?

[Mango IngawayParticipant 2264]

The point is: you will lose time arguing with morons, and will achieve nothing except reinforcing their victim complex.

Just let them be, morons gonna moron anyway.

It is a common failing of childhood to think that if one makes a hero out of a demon the demon will be satisfied.

[AttonParticipant]

Trying to debate a feminist is like talking too a brick wall, well unless they have half a brain and are capable of complex thinking.

How exactly, getting into a screaming match, does anyone happen to make any progress?

It is really in a way funny to challenge female power even if it is through a screaming match. I would say debating feminists is less about actually making change and more about making fun of them. It is extremely unlikely that an MRA might be able to jog the parts of the brain associated with complex thinking but it is possible.
I still consider myself an MRA honestly since women are not going to give up there power without a struggle. Very few women are going to be happy with the invention of the artificial womb and even less are going to be happy with men having freedom to use it. This kind of technology simply is something that men will need to fight for because quite a few women are not going to like it at all. No one is going to just give men that power it is going to need to be taken, because technology like that represents a death blow to gynocentrism and women’s control over men. The same applies with things like the male birth control pill and legal paternal surrender, men simply must fight for them. I think activism too support those things are why I still call myself and MRA. I still think MGTOW is a good set of ideas, but I feel it possible to fight for men’s access to technology that gives them power over there lives while still going my own way.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

It is hard to get men to come together, it takes a leader. Leaders in this day and age get a bullet in the head, this is why the movement must be leaderless resistance. Leaderless resistance has been an effective strategy by covert ops. An ideology. A lot of men come to MGTOW because “women suck” but they have not realized how deep the rabbit hole goes. The system is way more deadly than just women. Men are so dependent on the system, asking even many self-proclaimed MGTOW to leave it is asking too much out of them.

The system is too strong at the moment to make any real changes. The only option I see and other men have seen(I did not come up with this on my own, this is from reading other activists) is to drain the system. As Arnold said in Predator “if it bleeds, we can kill it”. The prison industrial complex and the military industrial complex is making money off of men as cattle and cannon fodder. MGTOW is essentially an MRA strategy.

[RoyDalParticipant]

There are elephants that try to run the herd. There are elephants that have gone rogue. MRAs are like the former, and MGTOW are like the latter — except we have indoor plumbing and the other trappings of civilization.

MRA is an urge I understand completely. It’s just that I don’t succumb to my urges. Why should want urges to run my life?

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

Because every day it is: am I doing what I feel is right? It is less about an urge and more about Karma. If you feel in your heart it is right to fight for men’s rights then do it. If you feel in your heart it is right to just go your own way, do it. I was watching a movie that just came out called Last Knights. It was actually a better tale about the 47 ronin than the s~~~ty movie Keanu Reeves made. Anyway, Clive Owen went his own way, lived off rice every f~~~ing day, drank, looked like a bum. But in his heart, he was preparing, for just the right moment to strike. You can be MGTOW and an MRA. They are not exclusive.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

Activism is masturbation and nothing else. Activists have never done s~~~ to change the world. It’s when they turn into a violent mob that things change.

Violence has shaped our world and these hippie assholes want to give peace a chance so we can somehow change the world through this limp-wristed pacifism.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

Activists are what forms the violent mob. Perhaps read up on the Bolshevik Revolution, the rise of Hitler to power, or hell you can start with the American Revolution.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

Snake wrote:

Activists are what forms the violent mob. Perhaps read up on the Bolshevik Revolution, the rise of Hitler to power, or hell you can start with the American Revolution.

They ceased being activists and turned into the mob. I’m talking about the sign waving, slogan spewing, self-aggrandizing activists.

I draw a distinction between an activist and a member of the blood thirsty mob.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[narwhalParticipant]

I have never been a part of a protest, but I had to walk through one once.  They were essentially blocking the sidewalk.  I have no idea what they were even protesting.  However, I noticed that simply walking through that mob, I got extremely emotional an angry.  It similar to the feeling when you’re in the stands watching a good football game, but more raw.

And that why I won’t protest.  I don’t won’t want to be a mindless emotional buffoon.  Of course you can’t have an intellectual dialogue with a protesting feminist.  Whatever logical part of her brain may exist has been shut down and she’s gone into this fight or flight bat s~~~ crazy mode.  Even if she could fathom that she might be wrong in her protests, it invalidate the s~~~ load of emotions coursing through her veins right now.  How can she accept that?

Nope, I’m staying away from the mobs.  I suppose I could donate money, but it feels like money thrown at MRA goals isn’t going to be very effective.  Living well seems like a much better use of my time and money.

Ok. Then do it.

[Anonymous 12]

In today’s society activists are largely people who are pushing for things that have already been achieved, women’s rights for example, women already have more rights than men and if you question that they will crucify you and no one will say a word because they are the dictatorship.

And that is where most activists are a contradiction, they carry on as if they are the underdog fighting the “system” when in fact they are the system pushing for their own powers and control to be even more complete.

And the way they do that is to play a two sided game of making sure they appear to be victims whilst also pulling all the strings behind the curtain. They are all “Useful Idiots” who are ultimately pushing for a system that is against them. I recall back in 2000 here in Australia they had the s11 World Economic Forum in Melbourne Australia, there were huge protests against Globalization. Years later many of those same protesters are in support of ideas and strategies are pro NWO. They are inconsistent and just jumping on bandwagons that they know no one will challenge.

 

 

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Snake wrote:

What exactly is gained by doing this: attention You end up looking like an ass: subjective Do you actually change the world: yes How exactly does anyone happen to make any progress: whether it is whispered or shouted the idea is spread and 10% is all it takes to change public opinion. Is this guy an ass? Did he change anything? Did he make any progress?

I should add to what I said, to be: TODAY.  In this day and time, what is gained by being an a activist, and trying to go for group rights, in Western society, complete with free speech, and also things that are post-mass media and

I would say, one of the most arguably successful protests and forms of Activism in recent years has been Occupy.  It didn’t have a coherent message at all.  But it got a lot of media attention, and acted as a set of ink blots to project upon.  It shifted discussion, made a point, but did nothing to change the flow.  It ended up generating fodder for opponents of it.  It also managed to tick off a mayor near where I am, who was very progressive, and was actually at the launch event and welcomed Occupy into his town.  He got ticked off after there were people complaining, and they fact they didn’t do anything at all except be in a camp and do drugs.  Occupy made the news cycle because it was odd and weird, and no one knew what to make of it.  It wasn’t because it was activism it made news, just that it was weird.

One can say gay rights activists are doing things, but mainly it is winning in courts.  And feminists?  Well, look at the video.  The screaming by her only gets framed as not helpful to Feminism.

Ok, let me give one, reminded of this video: The Arab Spring.  That was the toppling of totalitarian regimes in the mideast. It has made the area unstable.  It started with one merchant setting himself on fire over corruption in the government oppressing him. It made a mess out of the mideast.  But students in China just got massacred, and it goes on.  And Taiwan?  Well, who knows?  The end result is the world keeps on burning, no matter what you do.  And with the Internet, there is way too much noise to really stand out.

I would argue here, men going MGTOW in sufficient numbers, which is not activism, but an exodus, is likely to have more of an impact than all of what MRA are doing.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I would also add here, that MRA, due to the perceptions out there, are seen as absurd to the world.  The believe men dominate things so much, but progress is made, why do men need rights, when they control everything?  Self-empowerment of men, much more aligned with MGTOW, is more likely to get results with me.  Focusing on empower more one on one, gets better results now, than trying to do a group movement.  The thing is, the trends in west are leading to a decline in collective community action, so it is very much individual.  That is the way things are structured, so you need to not be a victim yourself.  Books like Bowling Alone show this trend.  There is just way too much noise out there to try to get anyone to do anything collectively now.  But, you can know people personally and enable in your network.  Going your own way is the best way now to do things, as would be enabling other men to do the same.  But, you aren’t collectively going to get them there.

 

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[The Moth Attracted to the FlameParticipant 2982]

I was finished with any social justice movement long ago. The entire thing has been corrupted.

Whether you’re on one side or the other, there will be no consensus of anything. No one will agree, and no one will use logic or common sense.

And nowadays, first-world “activists” just get profit and attention, meanwhile actual rape victims, trafficking victims, third-world victims and others get nothing but s~~~.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

GrayFox, good luck with the channel.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[HimeoParticipant 471]

RBK has a fantastic series on why the Men’s Right’s Movement will not succeed.

[Darth SinParticipant 576]

Q: What is the point of trying to be a rights activist ?

A: There is no point, unless if you have nothing better to do with your lives. As many have stated, activists only start becoming effective once they use violence. It can be direct application of violence or violence by proxy but the key element is violence because it is key in upsetting the established status quo quickly.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I am reminded of Angry Young Man when I see activism now:

It is complaining and raging about the world, rather than really changing anything.

With myself is it more of dealing with the man in the mirror and getting better, then demanding the world change.

And realizing the world is this overall (they really don’t care about us):

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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