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MGTOW has been around for thousands of years. There is always a percentage of men who have adopted a mgtow philosophy in every culture. You can find mgtow thought in writings all the way back to Hellenistic period. A philosophy back then called Stoicism has some streams of consciousness that parallel modern mgtow thought.
“Stoicism originally emerged at quite a volatile period in Greek history, when Athenian city-states were being conquered by foreign empires. It developed as a way of staying sane amid all that chaos. An important part of the therapy of Stoicism was to remind yourself at all times of what you can control and what you can’t. We can’t control geopolitics, we can’t control the weather, we can’t control the economy, we can’t control other people, we can’t even control our own bodies, not entirely anyway. The world is beyond our control. It’s a rough and unpredictable environment that is constantly changing. The only thing we can really control are our own thoughts and beliefs. If we remind ourselves of that, and focus our energy and attention on our own beliefs and opinions, then we can learn to cope wisely with whatever the world throws at us.” sic: Rex Patriarch
If black men feel they need to self-identify first with race, second with gender that’s also fine. They are still “men going their own way”. So saying they are leaving mgtow is a misnomer. They are still mgtow unless they submit to the gynocentrism and go blue pill.
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Anonymous12I thought this site was about Men going their own way, not black men white men yellow men Brown men green men whatever men but Men, MEN! When is it gonna be that who we are imports more than what the hell we look like?!
I agree, I think it is important to remember that enemies of MGTOW namely Feminists, Magina’s and other Politically Correct drones will seek to divide us by having us fight among ourselves whether it be on the basis of race, politics, religion or anything else.
I’m not black nor am I active in the MGTOW cyber world asides from this site so I don’t know if black men are leaving, in my opinion you will always have some people who leave an idea or organization and some of those people will come back as well. Just the way it works.
I’m white, have a close friend who is black. Guy is MGTOW to the core. I think the MGTOW community was founded by black guys, who knew better than to tie themselves down. Being responsible for themselves? Well, that’s something else entirely. They can call their own movement whatever they want, but its just an offshoot of MGTOW proper.
Yes, african american men are going their own way, note a 70% illegitimacy rate for african american children. The men are going their own way but coming back again and again. Unfortunately it is these children that directly suffer, additionally the society they live in, when the consequences of illegitimacy manifest themselves later in life. And yes, this will include the MGTOWs that are trying to survive in that society. Note also the massively disproportionate abortion rate amongst african americans, where more babies are aborted than born within that group.
This may sound like some traditionalist propaganda, but I think if you are going to create the child, you should also take responsibility for it. Better choice is to go your own way and not create the child in the first place.
This may sound like some traditionalist propaganda, but I think if you are going to create the child, you should also take responsibility for it.
Close, but not quite on target.
Whoever CHOOSES to create a child should take responsibility for it.
But who CHOOSES to create the child?
And just to stave off the obvious bulls~~~ argument, no, a man does not choose to create a child merely because he chooses to have sex. The pill drove the final nail in that coffin back in 1960, over half a century ago.
Anonymous0This may sound like some traditionalist propaganda, but I think if you are going to create the child, you should also take responsibility for it.
Close, but not quite on target. Whoever CHOOSES to create a child should take responsibility for it. But who CHOOSES to create the child? And just to stave off the obvious bulls~~~ argument, no, a man does not choose to create a child merely because he chooses to have sex. The pill drove the final nail in that coffin back in 1960, over half a century ago.
Yes you are completely correct. Because once you get a woman pregnant refusing to wear a condom you were no longer intending to go your own way. “But women can still get pregnant from wearing a condom!” Said no one EVER!
Next thing you know black people are going to start making excuses and say that condoms are racially profiling them. Pffttt~!
Bitch please! You can’t have rain without thunder. You can’t make grain without sweat. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
“But women can still get pregnant from wearing a condom!” Said no one EVER!
Bulls~~~.
Then there are the cases of women stealing sperm from used condoms, lying about being on the pill, and on and on and on. And what about all the men on the hook for children who aren’t even theirs, but didn’t learn about the pregnancy in time to challenge it in court?
But that’s all irrelevant thanks to Roe vs. Wade, which legally established IT’S A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHETHER OR NOT A BABY IS CREATED.
For half a f~~~ing century women have had the sole choice, the sole veto, on whether or not a child is created.
Men have no such choice. Men just has a legally mandated responsibility to pay.
F~~~ that.
If a woman has the choice, then she has the responsibility. Morally, ethically, justly, logically, it’s all on her. The only place is isn’t all on her is in our unjust, f~~~ed up excuse for “family law”. Is it any wonder men are ducking their legally imposed responsibility when they don’t have the choice? Can you really blame them? Only a completely unjust asshole would.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
The disparity in reproductive rights gives women EXACTLY that. With men forced to pay the bill.
Again: F~~~ that.
Oh, and before you go on with some bulls~~~ like it being “their bodies”, what the f~~~ do you think the man has to use up to earn the money for child support? She’s on the hook for nine months, only the last three or so of which are any burden. He’s nailed for 18+ YEARS.
The problem of illegitimacy in the black community will NOT be solved by shaming black men. Only a complete fool would think so.
It will only end when black women are finally required to pay for their CHOICES themselves.
So what’s it going to be? Do you want to continue unjustly shaming black men for something they have no legal rights in? Or do you actually want to do something to end the tragedy of illegitimacy?
I haven’t heard of this action, in fact they seem to help promote it on youtube.
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Anonymous11This culture has all but destroyed my people. MGTOW for me includes THIS African American culture as well
African Americans were the first to be pushed down this path to destruction by the gynocracy. The single mother phenomena is a threat to our entire society and way of life. It’s wrecking havoc and spreading like cancer. I was at the beach a few days back and was letting some black and white children play on my paddle board. The father of the black children came up along with their mother and asked if their children were bothering me. I told him no and asked if he would watch them while I went to get myself a cold drink. He gave me a thumbs up, and I thought to myself his children were lucky to have two caring parents.
Contrast this to two years ago when the demon spawn of two single mothers(White) were chucking rocks at my me and my partner as we were practicing safety drills using our expensive carbon fiber paddle craft. The mothers did nothing to stop them. I’m talking fist sized chunks of granite. It only stopped when we screamed at these glorified single mom whores if they could afford to spend multiple thousands of dollars buying us new boats. My mother would have slapped me back into next week had I done that.
Pushing that black men are leaving MGTOW is just a lame attempt to divide and conquer. No MGHOW will ever go back to the plantation. We like the freedom out here.
Anonymous0“But women can still get pregnant from wearing a condom!” Said no one EVER!
Bulls~~~. <iframe src=”https://www.youtube.com/embed/lVI4B5cg1ag?feature=oembed” width=”500″ height=”281″ frameborder=”0″ allowfullscreen=””></iframe> Then there are the cases of women stealing sperm from used condoms, lying about being on the pill, and on and on and on. And what about all the men on the hook for children who aren’t even theirs, but didn’t learn about the pregnancy in time to challenge it in court? But that’s all irrelevant thanks to Roe vs. Wade, which legally established IT’S A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO CHOOSE WHETHER OR NOT A BABY IS CREATED. For half a f~~~ing century women have had the sole choice, the sole veto, on whether or not a child is created. Men have no such choice. Men just has a legally mandated responsibility to pay. F~~~ that. If a woman has the choice, then she has the responsibility. Morally, ethically, justly, logically, it’s all on her. The only place is isn’t all on her is in our unjust, f~~~ed up excuse for “family law”. Is it any wonder men are ducking their legally imposed responsibility when they don’t have the choice? Can you really blame them? Only a completely unjust asshole would.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
The disparity in reproductive rights gives women EXACTLY that. With men forced to pay the bill. Again: F~~~ that. Oh, and before you go on with some bulls~~~ like it being “their bodies”, what the f~~~ do you think the man has to use up to earn the money for child support? She’s on the hook for nine months, only the last three or so of which are any burden. He’s nailed for 18+ YEARS. The problem of illegitimacy in the black community will NOT be solved by shaming black men. Only a complete fool would think so. It will only end when black women are finally required to pay for their CHOICES themselves. So what’s it going to be? Do you want to continue unjustly shaming black men for something they have no legal rights in? Or do you actually want to do something to end the tragedy of illegitimacy?
We as MGTOW men cannot change the laws therefore we must change ourselves to make government and society change those laws. It all becomes to personal responsibility. You can’t change the world without changing yourself. We as MGTOW men are the future because we change and adapt to the economy and environment as well as our life choices.
I clearly stated “But women can still get pregnant by wearing a condom!” Said no one EVER! If the condom if not on your penis then it belongs in the toilet or in the incinerator. It is no different than putting the safety on a gun,locking the doors to your car or putting out your cigarette. It comes down to personal responsibility.
Anonymous9Im black and I haven’t left MGTOW. Guess Im behind.
We as MGTOW men cannot change the laws therefore we must change ourselves to make government and society change those laws.
Wrong. Absolutely 100% wrong.
Going Your Own Way has nothing to do with changing government or society. MGTOW merely minimize society’s effect on themselves so that as society collapses, it doesn’t collapse on them.
If you try to redesign a house while it’s burning down around you, you are only going to get burned along with it.
MGTOW are a symptom of the collapse, not a solution.
MGTOW don’t try to save a burning house. MGTOW bring marshmallows.
I have to wonder how the f~~~ you think you can make videos and run a MGTOW channel when you don’t understand that? Because if you don’t understand that, you don’t understand MGTOW.
It all becomes to personal responsibility.
The reason why society is f~~~ed is because women have no personal responsibility.
But that’s not MGTOW’s problem.
MGTOW’s only problem is choosing which flavor of popcorn to eat while watching society collapse.
If the condom if not on your penis then it belongs in the toilet or in the incinerator.
While that’s always good advice, it completely ignores everything else I said, and is missing the point.
Even if you are as careful as f~~~ing Scrooge with your sperm you can still get f~~~ed. Because society has decided that it’s your place to get f~~~ed. Society deems women to have the sole discretion over procreation, and men are supposed to go along with it without complaint and pay all the bills.
Even if you manage to safely contain your sperm, a woman who wants to have a child will manage to get sperm from somewhere. Because there’s nothing stopping her and as a worse case she will get a fat monthly check, courtesy of the taxpayer. And there’s nothing stopping her from putting your name down on the paperwork regardless of who’s sperm she got her pussy on:
http://6abc.com/news/man-may-be-jailed-for-not-paying-child-support-for-son-who-isnt-his/490355/
Men are not responsible for any of that, though they are held accountable for it. Women are responsible for it, but they are allowed to do as they please regardless.
So again, seeing as how you think you’re in the society changing business, fixing the problems of the black community HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MEN. Shaming men with stupid s~~~ like: “You should have worn a condom,” will accomplish exactly nothing. If you want to fix the black community (and every other community), all you need to so is apply responsibility where it belongs: on women.
How likely is that to ever happen? Society doesn’t even see the problem itself. Society continues to blame men for the choices of women, saying the same things you are: “You should have worn a condom.” Society is f~~~ed.
But that’s not MGTOW’s problem.
MGTOW is not racist like feminists !
We welcome all races from all corners of the World!
“I spent my life trying not to be careless. Women and children can be careless but not men” - Godfather
Close, but not quite on target. Whoever CHOOSES to create a child should take responsibility for it. But who CHOOSES to create the child? And just to stave off the obvious bulls~~~ argument, no, a man does not choose to create a child merely because he chooses to have sex. The pill drove the final nail in that coffin back in 1960, over half a century ago.
Sidecar, what I was trying to do, maybe not as effectively as I wanted, was to acknowledge the males role in child birth. There is no child without the participation of the male, yet the female can unilaterally chose to abort or keep the child. Priority is always given to her body, not the child’s life or the fathers wishes. A father may chose to take responsibility, but the choice is not really his. He may wish to raise healthy, happy, nurtured children, but even that choice is not his. The life of the children is subject to the whims of the woman with the support of the gynocentric family court. The child’s interest is irrelevant, despite the rhetoric.
Indeed, all the recent planned parenthood videos should effectively put to rest any stereotype of women as nurturing caregivers. Women will happily throw unborn children under the bus if it means they can continue to ride the c~~~ carousel unfettered and without responsibility. Because, government “hands off our bodies”. But by all means kill unborn children, and protect that as a right in an interpretation of the constitution. Yes, then it is okay for the government to interfere.
Black men are “leaving MGTOW”? Where are they going? THEIR OWN WAY????? In that respect… a mghow can’t “leave mgtow”. Sorting out men’s issues are for MRA’s. MGTOW is about sorting THEMSELVES out and assuming their own agency. This isn’t a deflection it’s just the entire concept of MGTOW is not about negotiating with terrorists.
Keymaster already nailed it. One doesn’t “leave” MGTOW. Not until they agree to submit to the bulls~~~ female-driven status quo and make the decision to hand over the reigns of their life to some dumb chick. Even then, it could still be argued that their choosing to be treated like a human puppet may, in fact, be the way they would like to call their own. (It’s a pointless argument, but you could make it.) I constantly see people attempting to refer to MGTOW as if it were some sort of organized activist group comprised of soldiers that have relinquished their own will in favor of that of the collective, but that’s just not the case. MGTOW is just the term for those of us who’ve seen that society’s been overtaken by a feminized thought police that wishes to bring their imaginary law into reality through shaming tactics and the hijacking of popular opinion. Any man who sees this and says “F~~~ you. You can’t tell me what to think.” is a MGHOW. Plain and simple.
#pancaketittyshaming
This is the correct answer:
Black men are “leaving MGTOW”? Where are they going? THEIR OWN WAY????? In that respect… a mghow can’t “leave mgtow”. Sorting out men’s issues are for MRA’s. MGTOW is about sorting THEMSELVES out and assuming their own agency. This isn’t a deflection it’s just the entire concept of MGTOW is not about negotiating with terrorists.
This should be added to the quotes on the front page:
MGTOW’s only problem is choosing which flavor of popcorn to eat while watching society collapse.
Sidecar, what I was trying to do, maybe not as effectively as I wanted, was to acknowledge the males role in child birth. There is no child without the participation of the male,
My point was that there’s no child without sperm. The “participation of a male” is hardly necessary. Except when it comes time to pay child support.
Men can be nailed for nothing more than accidentally forgetting to dispose of their sperm safely. There are many many cases of women stealing sperm from men who did not have sex with them. Or even less than that in the case of men paying child support for children who aren’t actually theirs. And a man’s “participation” doesn’t even have to be consensual:
Here we see a male rape victim who was molested by a woman when he was 14 nailed for back child support the moment he turned 18.
yet the female can unilaterally chose to abort or keep the child.
And nothing will ever get better until women are required to unilaterally pay for their choice.
Holding men responsible for the choices of women will not get women to make responsible choices.
I am a black man and a proud MGTOW
Anonymous0I am still learning. But…. It seems black men originated MGTOW before we where all born. I do not think we should put things under the microscope as much. Yet their women are some strong willed gals and know what they want. I would like to hear of the issues that black gents face. In my way… ALL MEN WELCOME TO MGTOW! And yes, you black gents nailed the escense of MGTOW. Who gives a s~~~ what or who the name evolved from. It seems black men were given s~~~ for walking away. So maybe we need to be greatful to these founders of our philosophy. Beer to Keymaster and crew for wiring us into a community in a great electronic ecosystem. I doubt the femstoppo will be able to bring this down. Currently I am ramping into new tech to help out if ever called upon. Reading now.
I am black and this is true. Look at hip hop (even in the 90’s) and how they preached “f~~~ bitches, get money”, “money, power, respect”, “chase paper, not women”, “the women come with the money” etc. that s~~~ has been preached for ages. I’m really surprised that no one else caught onto this earlier and mentioned it. I am kind of upset that devlan has switched his focus from MGTOW to black activism though. I feel like he made good videos, and I just identify more with the mgtow community. I am aware of many of the social and political consequences my melanin brings, but my overall philosophy of MGTOW kind of ties in with all of that. It is more connected than you would think…doesn’t have to be black or white (no pun).
Devlan drank the blacktivism kool-aid and poisoned his mind with stupid ideas. All activism is a waste of time. You cannot change the world without changing yourself. If he wants black men to change and be free therefore he must change and be free first.
Just like how it easier for feminists to shame good looking women for being fit and healthy. Because it is so much easier to complain than to go on a diet and exercise. It is much easier to complain about MGTOW,society,etc. as the problem instead of fixing his own problems.
Anonymous0I am a black man and a proud MGTOW
At least you are heading in the right direction.
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