Depends how you define MGTOW.
If you include men who don’t want sign a marriage contract then it’s at least 20-25% men, likely more.
If we add some red pill awareness, then it’s about half than above, perhaps a little less than half, let’s say 10% men.
If we raise the bar of awareness to the point to totally avoid women in certain situations, in example at job, I would have said 2-3% but this has at least doubled since #metoo, so it’s at least 5% men.
If we further raise the bar to true MGTOW, my definition is “THE AWARENESS THAT HAVING A WOMAN IN YOUR LIFE IS ON THE WHOLE MORE DETRIMENTAL THAN BENEFICIAL”, then it’s probably half than above, so it was 1.5-2% and after #metoo it’s 2-3% men. I think that you guys are underestimating the fallout of #metoo on male perception…
I think this is a strong point. MGTOW a spectrum of behaviours, not a binary question that can be settled by placing a one or a zero in a box to say if a man is a MGHOW or not?
If men were the rainbow then true life long monks are red at one end and true “happily” married cucks are violet at the other but all the rest of us fall somewhere in between.
I appreciate that there is a hard core of monks, whose commitment has been tested and proven by years of chastity and commitment to bachelorhood but everyone else is somewhere on a spectrum. To count only the monks with 10+ years would be folly. To count every man who said “I will never marry” would also be folly. To make a count one would need a definition and I doubt that could be agreed on without actually shutting out a lot of people who are part of the phenomenon to some degree.
Overall I like the above definition “THE AWARENESS THAT HAVING A WOMAN IN YOUR LIFE IS ON THE WHOLE MORE DETRIMENTAL THAN BENEFICIAL” though I might change “having a woman in your life” to “commitment to a woman in your life” because otherwise you get the phenomenon of part time MGTOW -men who are prepared to interact with women because they see some benefit, even if only short term. If you don’t count them, they are coming and going as relationships come and go. They are not part time monks, one moment MGTOW, but not the next when they are working on a relationship with a woman (you have to put in work even if you are picking them up for one night and if you are putting in that work, you are doing so because you believe it will overall benefit you). These men are full time mid to low spectrum MGTOW who are prepared to allow women into their lives to some extent. Most of us here would fall into that category, even those who have decided to be monks but have not done many years of chastity.
I suspect that there are some men who are actually MGTOW but made the mistake of marrying before they awoke and are trapped. They are doing their best having awakened in a bad situation. They are MGTOW in my mind because they have withdrawn their commitment to that marriage and they are probably actively working to protect and free themselves. I would not want to exclude them when some of them will be seriously red pilled guys in a seriously bad place.
I would say MGTOW is a mind set that is carried through life. That world view is likely to lead to certain behaviours but it is a challenge to make a binary 1 or 0, an in our out count. MGTOW is a social phenomenon and its influence is going to reach far, even into the blue pill world. So I agree with Eric Lauder that the best way to look at it is probably in bands of behaviour.
I would like to think it was as much as 20 -25% of men who would not sign a marriage contract but I fear that most of them would crumble when begged by a hot girl they were having great sex with. Many of that number are simply hopeless that they will ever meet anyone they would like enough to marry -they are the 80% who watch all the hot girls lining up to be f~~~ed by chads and feel disillusioned. Many men may yet crumble when an attractive woman who is reaching the wall suddenly takes an interest in them. I think that the number of men who genuinely see marriage as bad for men and bad for society is less than 5%. Many of the others are just hopeless.
I also think that when you remove bitterness and disillusionment from the equation there are very few healthy heterosexual men who would say no to sex with an attractive woman who wanted to be a girlfriend. Perhaps 0.1%? Bitterness may stop them now but if a woman really set out to get through that bitterness to them, most would give in at some point. It is just that most of these men will not be hunted by women because they are not in the top 10% or so who get actively hunted and even if they are high status men, women are unlikely to invest the time into getting through to them when others are pussy beggars.
There is a very long way to go before people really wake up to the gynocentric sickness of society. What you are seeing now is mostly men waking up to the symptoms of the sickness.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
Point Of No Return 2 years, 1 month ago.
