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If this has already been dealt with by other’s feel free to post vids no need to type, but I’ll take the MGTOW perspectives on this however I can get them.
Firstly, I’m on-board with the notion that marriage in western countries is a train wreck for men in many ways. I don’t plan on marrying anytime soon if ever. This problem is further compounded by the quality of character ( or lack there of) of most women whom most of us find attractive.
However, someone needs to produce the next generation, it’s not a bad thing to have a legacy of some kind. The family is one of the most important institutions that have allowed us to become more ethical and intellectually adept individuals. Can anyone argue that single parent households produce inferior progeny? The numbers of poverty, illegitimacy, and incarceration do not lie.
So f~~~ marriage, I’m on-board, but do we want to completely remove our DNA from the gene pool? If you have kids the way to do it is with TWO parents, a MAN and a WOMAN. I would probably advocate a common law marriage of some kind at this point. But beyond societaly speaking, there is a genetic and biological component to this. Obviously the instinct of all species is to breed, and we should not be subverted solely by instincts, but they are still often VERY useful, and can in some situations be more useful than logic, and rationality. I could make examples, but I’m putting end caps on this.
I know the members here are logical and will thoughtfully give their opinions on these questions in a way that will allow us to flesh this out, in a way that their counterparts never would. Thanks in advance.
-Subkon
Reading further into this, this is a decent answer, to what the questions I posed.
“Subkonshis”. Great name and avatar.
It’s a good topic. But it is a mistake to assume MGTOW don’t breed – but it’s also an easy to overlook. Take a peek at the FAQ (top under the about menu) where it is explained to those who think MGTOW is some kind of “dead end” to the next generations.
Beyond what it explained there, paternity fraud is RAMPANT. I have personally impregnated two females in my life. There was nothing I could about their decision to abort. But I do know one of them wishes she didn’t. With zero parental rights by law (the reality for western men) the only water-tight option is surrogacy. Pay one woman for her egg. Pay another to birth the child and neither of them can claim to be “the mother”.
IT”S NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THE LEGACY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. NOT ANY MORE.
Women have over-leveraged and the days are coming to an end. In this society, people like Kim Kunt-trashian are held up as models of celebrity. Toronto Canada has a crack head mayor. JAYZ shows up to public events looking totally disinterested in being there. He assumed the laziest of postures, no friendly smile or presentation, even his “fashion show” is women with holes in their clothes looking like holocaust victims. Chris Brown received a Grammy — almost immediately after beating the s~~~ out of Rhianna — in front of thousands and millions of screaming female fans.
AND YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THIS S~~~??
A woman asked me at a Christmas party: “how come you’re not married? Why don’t you have any kids?”
I said “how do you know I don’t? Even I can’t be completely sure”.
It took her almost 30 seconds to realize what I just said, and she almost started to laugh uncomfortably.
But she understood. Then I told her exactly what I told you. She actually agreed and thought it was very sensible.I AM A MAN GOING IS OWN WAY. I will not contribute to this s~~~. I will not even subscribe to cable TV and turn on my TV as long as they insist on featuring feminists like Anita Sarkeesian… instead of a talented 5 year old girl who can play the violin. THAT Is more like the society that I would be more willing to have children in. I’m not even the only MGHOW who feels this way, but I can’t speak for others.
“The next generation” is not your concern or responsibility anymore.
You can’t “decide” to have children or raise them properly – NO MATTER HOW GREAT A FATHER YOU ARE. But I also know that I can bang a female and use a condom and when I go home, she can (and may) use the contents of that condom to fertilize herself. And I will never know. This s~~~ is LEGAL. So is paternity fraud and lying about being birth control. You can’t decide to be a father and you can’t decide NOT to be a father. So why would you give a f~~~? Why would you give a f~~~ in a society where real success and celebrity is base on f~~~ed up values? Why would you CARE about fathering kids who can make millions by turning themselves into Miley Syphilis? The entire society is in the s~~~ter. And NO… she can’t have my sperm or my money, unless I can contribute to raising that child PROPERLY. You can’t even teach your children discipline or say “no” without it being “abuse”. You can’t even control your own money, because denying a female access to your credit cards is “abuse” now.
F~~~. THAT. S~~~. RIGHT. IN. THE . ASS.
…. and enjoy the decline.
“What about creating the next generation?” is not a valid question when you can have no say in the matter.
The “next generation” comes from the garbage can now.
And “breeding” is not the highest pinnacle of success a man can achieve.
There are other much more valuable things men can aspire to. That’s the beauty of it all.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Okay, wonderful, I appreciate your input. I’m going to check the FAQ shortly. I’ll give you my thoughts about your comments.
“Beyond what it explained there, paternity fraud is RAMPANT. I have personally impregnated two females in my life. There was nothing I could about their decision to abort. But I do know one of them wishes she didn’t. With zero parental rights by law (the reality for western men) the only water-tight option is surrogacy. Pay one woman for her egg. Pay another to birth the child and neither of them can claim to be “the mother”. ___KeyMaster___
– This is an excellent point, and rest assure I will throw it many liberal femizani’s faces in the future. “Legal” abortions should absolutely require the signature of BOTH parents. I don’t expect this to happen in the current political climate, but the “it’s a woman’s body argument” is a pure piece of trash. It obviously takes two people to procreate therefore not giving the father any input is totalitarian to men.
“IT”S NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE THE LEGACY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS. NOT ANY MORE.” ___KeyMaster___
It’s actually my responsibility to decide what my responsibilities are.
“I AM A MAN GOING IS OWN WAY. I will not contribute to this s~~~. I will not even subscribe to cable TV and turn on my TV as long as they insist on featuring feminists like Anita Sarkeesian… instead of a talented 5 year old girl who can play the violin. THAT Is more like the society that I would be more willing to have children in. I’m not even the only MGHOW who feels this way, but I can’t speak for others.” ___KeyMaster___
Agreed, I’ve opted out of the cable TV and MSM culture log ago. Nearly 15 years. Simply Anita Sarkessian being featured on TV would not do it alone, I didn’t even know who she was before I heard about her on a MGTOW channel. I do know that the overall message is VERY anti-male.
“The next generation” is not your concern or responsibility anymore.”
“You can’t “decide” to have children or raise them properly – NO MATTER HOW GREAT A FATHER YOU ARE. But I also know that I can bang a female and use a condom and when I go home, she can (and may) use the contents of that condom to fertilize herself. And I will never know. This s~~~ is LEGAL. So is paternity fraud and lying about being birth control. You can’t decide to be a father and you can’t decide NOT to be a father. So why would you give a f~~~? Why would you give a f~~~ in a society where real success and celebrity is base on f~~~ed up values? Why would you CARE about fathering kids who can make millions by turning themselves into Miley Syphilis? The entire society is in the s~~~ter. And NO… she can’t have my sperm or my money, unless I can contribute to raising that child PROPERLY. You can’t even teach your children discipline or say “no” without it being “abuse”. You can’t even control your own money, because denying a female access to your credit cards is “abuse” now.
F~~~. THAT. S~~~. RIGHT. IN. THE . ASS.</p>” ___KeyMaster___
While I agree with your sentiment, I think your perspective on this is a tad myopic. I have a friend who is a blue pill man who is married who has probably the most datable woman I have met in recent times. Not surprisingly she steered him towards marriage. She’s pretty intelligent, and hate the MSM, doesn’t watch TV, hates liberals and thinks feminists are c~~~s. She takes care of their son and works part time. I will admit, even considering all of this I have seen random bitch sessions out of her. Not being shy or scared of women at all, I called her out on it. She admitted I was right. I will be watching them, to see how their marriage plays out. Hell Paul Joseph Watson is married, and he has the video in the “Watch” section. He’s also married to a Chinese woman.
Just because you have kids does not mean they are completely doomed to traverse the one-way path of Milely Cyrus style depravity. Home schooling can be done some ignorant women can be reasoned with, I have also heard that non-western women are much less bitchy. Your points of not being able to disciple children do not fall on deaf ears. I know the government hates home schooling and CPS will use it in conjunction with any other bs to pay you a visit, but the more you have the government as a part of your life the greater the chance of this.
I don’t think all kids can easily make millions by turning themselves into “Miley Syphilis,” but I will use that name, thanks.
The society is in the s~~~ter for sure. I do not believe in only living for my pleasures, I think we need to also think about the environment (not in a climate change sense) that we leave behind. To only worship our own ego and be concerned with our own pleasures is not an ideology that I identify with. I obviously don’t want to submit to a crazy c~~~ who only wants my money either. I don’t even know ANY woman that I would consider having kids with anyhow, most are shallow and the complete definition of what MGTOW casts them as. I don’t believe EVERY woman is like this however. I won’t deny that many of them are VERY cold hearted. Even girls that my friends have been with for years flirt with me heavily and control them with their golden vagina. Still breeding is important.
Any articles on the man being charged with abuse for denying a woman his credit card? I googled it, and came up with jack s~~~, perhaps it was the wrong search phrase.
I appreciate all of your insights on the subject, and the content on MGTOW has greatly increased my awareness. I guess I will have to make sure I ALWAYS flush that condom too!
It’s actually my responsibility to decide what my responsibilities are.
Aware of what you mean. But when it comes to “the next generation”, that’s where you can’t decide. Unless you pay one women for her egg and the other to carry it and neither can claim to be “the mother”. Only then you can decide how responsible you wish to be for the next generation. But the law says you have no agency, so it’s not your responsibility no matter how much you decide it is.
It obviously takes two people to procreate
That’s also a common misconception. It doesn’t take two. It only takes one deceitful lying bitch and no man can afford to overlook that: http://mgtow.com/video/spermjacking
You’ve got women scheming behind their husbands backs on daytime talk shows and 97% of them openly encourage lying to get pregnant.
/video/wendy-williams-teaches-women-to-trap-men-into-fatherhood/
And then there’s this s~~~ pumped into their heads in TV commercials
Thats’ not a tad myopic. It’s a whole bunch of psychotic. The responsibility of the next generation born that way can be yours if you insist. Thankfully, “breeding” is not the highest pinnacle of success we (as men) can possibly achieve. I’ve impregnated 2 different women myself (that I am aware of) and birthing this website (for example) was much more difficult than ejaculating in a female. That was easy. But the decision and responsibility to raise the next generation was 0% up to me and I couldn’t stop them from aborting. So you can see where my response came from.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Subkon,
I understand your concern for the next generation. Only a completely short sighted person would ignore that whole concern. But as an individual man, I have a responsibility to take care of myself, lest I become a burden to someone else. This is not for selfish reasons, it’s for rational ones.When paramedics and firemen are trained in disaster response, the primary thing they are trained to do is to protect themselves first. The movie depiction of a fireman ignoring his own safety and recklessly charging into a burning building …is a Hollywood myth. A real fireman will tell you that the reason he will not do that is because the job is dangerous enough for all concerned from the start. Doing this risks making him a casualty that will then create a risky problem for his comrades. Not only will he not be able to help them do the job anymore, he may become part of the risk and increase it in the process.
So, in regards to the next generation, I believe that the most responsibility I could have ever have had for it is 50%. I am not completely convinced that I have a responsibility to reproduce. The message that I constantly hear blasted at me in the MSM is about ‘reproductive choice’…usually a woman’s. Why is reproduction a ‘choice’ for her and a ‘responsibility’ for me? But taking that message on its face, I would say that all choices have a responsibility attached to them. You make a choice and you are responsible for the consequences of it. Therefore, on the premise that we are all equal, and on the premise that none of us can choose to reproduce alone regardless of how responsible we are, then responsibility cannot be assigned 100% to any one person. I limit my responsibility to 50% unless by some mechanism I get more than 50% of the control of the choice. Responsibility and control cannot be unequally distributed in any fair relationship.
The other 50% is someone else’s responsibility. I have made all the choices necessary in life to responsibly be able to reproduce. I have qualified myself by being responsible in decisions about my health, my education, my career, my ability to set an example… and have arrived at a place where I am very well positioned to shoulder my 50% of the responsibility of reproducing. But for all the correct decisions I’ve made, and all the effort and sacrifices I’ve made, that other equally responsible person has not yet appeared. The gender that should have produced that person has failed to do so.
So, what are my options here. I can either ignore the reality and reproduce with one of the irresponsible people who is available (equally short sighted), or accept the reality and be a mgtow. Mgtow was not the first choice for most of us, and likely not the most attractive choice… until the option for the best and most attractive choice was eliminated from the available options by the gender who was responsible for producing it. I am not a mgtow because it’s the best option. I am a mgtow because it’s the only rational option remaining after feminism destroyed the best one.
My offer to that gender is this: I do not believe that either marriage or divorce is valid grounds for the forced transfer of cash or any other financial asset. Feminists have forced down my throat the message that women are as capable as I am, so I no longer accept that I should be expected to produce assets for them. I believe that the choice for reproducing cannot be made alone by any one person, and so then the responsibilities involved in reproducing should be similarly distributed 50-50 when two people make that choice. The costs of children, whatever they are, should only be applied to any man as 50% of the total cost of those children.
To women: auditions are available daily. Minimum qualifications are that you produce 100% for yourself (forever) and 50% for any children we have for as long as is required for them to become adults and produce 100% for themselves. Next qualification is that the responsibility for holding up your end of a healthy adult relationship is 50% hers and this cannot be transferred or otherwise reduced. Last qualification is that the benefit of our relationship, whatever it is, belongs only 50% to her.
So far, a gender of 3 billion has not delivered even a single one who qualifies for this path to ‘equality’ with me. This is the reason why I am not contributing to the next generation. I am not at fault for the circumstances being what they are, and I won’t apologize for calling them what they are. When the other gender gets serious enough about responsibly reproducing to actually be responsible for themselves and for their share of the burden of reproducing, I’ll still be open to the idea…
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
BrainPilot wrote:
I understand your concern for the next generation. Only a completely short sighted person would ignore that whole concern. But as an individual man, I have a responsibility to take care of myself, lest I become a burden to someone else. This is not for selfish reasons, it’s for rational ones.BrainPilot nails it. Besides, I believe the human race will not die off because everyone stops breeding. That ain’t gonna happen. I can live with any twinges of guilt because I don’t have any kids running around out there. Others have done a good job of keeping the supply up.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
To me, the depressing part is that women have the capacity to erase MGTOW movements every generation. Just find a FEW dips~~~s who are willing to donate sperm, and woman can give birth to and raise a whole new generation of men with all of the same miserable misunderstandings, guilt, confusion and mindf~~~ery that we, as the first-generation MGTOW, have managed to claw our way out of.
The reverse is much harder — we CAN’T just get a few women and breed a whole world of MGTOWs. Therein my thesis that males have a reproductive disability. It doesn’t mean we are inferior – except to the extent that reproduction in any controlled sense, where we can actually raise and teach our offspring, is many many times harder than it is for any fertile-yet-ignorant, irresponsible, useless females with NO qualifications, who can crap out a dozen kids at a moment’s notice.
If I had one long-term goal for MGTOW beyond individual freedom, it would be to enable reproductive balance. Ideally, through some sort of artificial means — give every male, at birth, the ability to reproduce on his own, raise his own kids, etc. Now THAT would be true equality.
I’m having a baby with my chinese GF.
Sure she is a woman and there is a lot of s~~~ i have to put p with but when it comes to educations she’s suprinsingly traditionnal and wants me to be the man and take the decisions.
Her mum came the other day and started shouting at her telling her to cook and clean because that’s what a good wife does, if she wants to keep me around.
Women will be women but there ARE subtle differences.
Keeping away from women isn’t for me, to me MGTOW is about realising you’re on your own and not expecting anything from women.
Hey Sub. This is my opinion and it may seem a bit extreme but as far as the next generation goes. It’s not my problem. We will be dead and buried. So why care. I look at it this way. I pay taxes and that’s how i contribute to society. Society is a big lie anyways. They say to follow the path of a wife and kids. What’s the end result? That’s what society gives men that fall into that trap. I don’t feel anyway or need a xerox copy of myself to feel whole or complete. I don’t feel guilty about it either. I’m scheduled to get the snip snip anyways. But that’s my feeling about the next generation.
In reply to the titular question – I don’t know; I don’t care.
The next generation will give as little a s~~~ about me and my interest as the present generation. The turds coming out of western culture’s rancid asshole will be just as odoriferous as those having already emerged.
Anonymous5Just look at the scoreboard. The exponential rise in the last 100 years to over 7 Billion, and climbing.
There’s a lot of legitimate arguments, on top of those already stated, that say it’s more irresponsible to breed than not to breed.
Perhaps if you made a rule: If less than 10,000 people died each day of hunger (currently it’s 21,000)
Or goes below 1.8 Billion, where it was 100 years ago.The idea of passing on “your” genes stands on shaky grounds too.
After the bottleneck event, which many think was Toba, only a few thousand individuals were left.
The genetic variation right across Europe, Asia, the Subcontinent and all of native America has less genetic variation that any two people from neighbouring towns in Sub-Saharan Africa.
Compared to other mammals, except cheetah and bison, we’re incredibly inbred.
Let the people next door, or down the street pass your genes on,,,,, with each other.
It’s incredibly close to close enough.
No offspring will be a clone of you anyhow; the closest you’ll get is 50%.
Even Chimps have more than 96% of human genes, so sponsoring a primate at your local Zoo might ease the urge for immortality.The bottom line is it’s misguided, irresponsible and disrespectful to impose breeding obligations on anyone, for any reason, MGTOW or no MGTOW.
It’d be just as arrogant to walk up and down any random street and preach that agenda and you’d probably get the same well deserved reaction at every house, lolIm a MGTOW and i plan to have kids one day, but regardless of wether anyone thinks i should get married, i aint gona do it. Women in America are too much of a burden to deal with.
I'm married to the game,but she broke her vows.
I want to get married and have children. I’m the guy who tried to get the attention of so many girls but nobody gave me a chance, until one girl who was desperate to escape her crazy home did. Unfortunately she found out I wasn’t the kind of guy she needed (I think for myself too much). After than, ghostly silence.
Then I read these articles about women complaining about where all the good men went. Well, I wonder what they mean by “good men.” Anyways, I was busy pandering to these women just to get their attention. I struggled and wondered what the hell I always did wrong. I tried really hard. I even went to therapy which did help me see how I was so messed up and how to fix it. I’m a lot better for it but reality does strike. I did do a lot correctly. I do a lot of things that make me too undatable. I see so many of my mistakes where actually the unfair situation.
What kind of man works hard to improve himself? What kind of man forgives and looks out for the sake of others? What kind of man keeps himself humble as much as he can? What kind of guy will face a bully twice his size ready to fight? What kind of man reads and expands knowledge? What kind of man positions himself for the economic advantage? A good man. Where did he go? To rejection lane, that’s where.
The good men are all rejected. It’s too bad none of the so-called good women recognized who he was when he was young and poor. Maybe she should take a look at herself and ask, “Well, am I a good person? Does my character reflect quality? Am I humble and kind, even to the poor? Do I learn as much knowledge to improve my person?”
I’m a pro at growing through things. I can teach classes on this.
I’m the guy who tried to get the attention of so many girls but nobody gave me a chance
Time to switch the script and dialogue in your head.
Give you a “CHANCE”?
When women say “no chance” or “he doesn’t stand a chance” …. she’s a fraud poser and a man had best understand what level of arrogant t~~~ he is dealing with. A “chance” at what exactly? To propose to love her until death? To buy her something? To talk to her? To buy her dinner and entertain her on his time and dime? A chance to pay her alimony when you make a bad choice in a wife? Whenever some bitch pretends like “you don’t stand a chance”…. NEVER listen to that s~~~. She has an outrageously over-inflated view of herself, and your view of yourself could afford to improve.
I saw a comment under some video on youtube from a guy who use to beat himself up for not getting enough “chances” with women, and I will never forget it. He said (and I quote) “I used to feel pretty bad about not being rich or handsome enough for most women to marry.. but now I am inclined to CELEBRATE it”.
NOW he’s getting it. If only you could go back in time and tell him that 15 years ago.
Women don’t offer s~~~ up to men the way men offer s~~~ up to women.
SHE Is the one who “doesn’t stand a chance”.The idea that women are some kind of “prize” who “men don’t stand chance with” is a fraud pretense and must be struck down HARD. I’ll tell you I have had PLENTY of “chances” to be married and a father …. but the reason I am not, is because THEY don’t stand a chance. I am an unmarried non-father because I have long since determined that women are not good enough for ME – and not the other way around.
They don’t stand a chance as my wife, and they are unfit to parent my children.
One. After. The. Other.
Every female I have ever been involved with was a disaster at managing herself and her own life properly. So when some guy says “I didn’t get a chance” I would gladly give him every chance I had so he will stop saying that to himself.
FACT: A woman wouldn’t know a “good man” if he wore wings, a diaper and shot heart shaped arrows at her ass. Women actually DUMP good men because they are “too nice”. So what man would ever care to measure up to a creature who would toss a good man aside BECAUSE he is “too nice”????
I’m the guy who tried to get the attention of so many girls but nobody gave me a chance,
Im’ all over freedom of thought and I would never presume to step into your head to adjust the way you think, but in this case I must put my foot down and insist you never repeat those words to yourself or to anyone again. It’s so harmful to men to think this way (some guys will even point a GUN to their own heads because of it!!!) and it doesn’t take any more than a simple flick of a mental switch to see the farce for exactly what it is.
I STILL get attention from women and I don’t even WANT it.
The CHANCE?? They don’t stand a chance.. Unfortunately she found out I wasn’t the kind of guy she needed
Who cares what SHE needed? She’s not going to pay YOU alimony and child support when you make the wrong choice in a wife and mother for your kids. You will have to pay HER for that mistake. Based on that alone…. SHE doesn’t stand a chance.
Women are no prize. YOU are. They want more from you than you want from them.
And they will STEAL it if they have to. They will take your very freedom , well-being and cash away if you let them.Forget it. It’s time for men who think they never got “the chance” to realize they are missing out on NOTHING.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.“What about creating the next generation?” Fantastic question….FOR THE LAYDEEZ. When their behavior warrants a response other than, “Do yourself a favor, tell her to ‘f~~~ off,’ she’s not worth five minutes of your time.” then and only then is there any point in asking ourselves that question. And to the puppetmasters who keep no fault divorce in existence, “f~~~ you.”
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
I’ll second what key master just wrote. And I’ll try to add a different perspective that may seem off topic, but stay with me…
While studying the history of the oil business, I came across a comment to explain why oil is so valuable. The author explained that a single barrel of oil contains enough energy to replace the efforts of 25,000 human slaves working full time for 1 year. Think of the Egyptian pharaohs who were essentially mortal gods in their day. They may have had 25,000 slaves working for them to build the pyramids. They were probably the most personally powerful men in the history of our species. They could command the efforts of 25,000 slaves to get the pyramids built.
These days, we don’t have mass numbers of slaves under the command of a single person anywhere in the world. Today, a diesel-electric railroad engine is so efficient that it can drag a ton of freight for more than a mile…for less than 1 penny in fuel cost.
What does this have to do with this topic? For most of the last century, a barrel of oil has cost less than 100$. Almost any man employed in the western world could expect to earn enough to buy one barrel of oil per year, and have at his command the same energy as an Egyptian pharaoh in his day. With his earnings, and the impact on the world of billions of barrels of oil produced since the pharaohs were here, he can provide a woman (any woman) with a life and a standard of living VASTLY improved from that of the wife of an ancient Egyptian slave, or pharaoh for that matter.
She’ll live much longer and healthier, consistently eat more and better food, be protected from diseases, wild animals, extremes of weather etc etc. along with the benefits of all the other advances in technology, agriculture, medicine, engineering, etc that MEN have produced over the last 5000 years.
But what does the woman today offer men that is any more than what women 5000 years ago had to offer? They can have sex with us and produce children. Sex is nice and feels good, but certainly no better than it ever did. Producing children is of course a big deal, but no bigger than it was 5000 years ago. In fact, since we have so many more people on the planet now, it would seem slightly less important than it once was, and may soon become a liability for the species. Why has the price on that one unchanged, unimproved thing gone up SO much?
And yet, on receiving that over inflated price as often as they do, why are they still so often not satisfied when they get it?
The inflation has occurred so slowly as to have gone unnoticed, but it’s easily noticeable when pointed out. What men living today bring to the table is astronomically increased from what those Egyptians had to offer their women. What today’s women bring however, is exactly the same thing. Any one of them is ENORMOUSLY lucky to be living in a time when men have as much to offer as men living today have. Any one of them is ENORMOUSLY lucky to have any man show any interest in her at all. For without us, and the impact our efforts have made on her environment, the average woman wouldn’t survive a month…
As a man, you are not “lucky” to have a woman to provide things for. She is lucky to have you. Your ability to provide lasts almost your whole adult life, whereas her ability to reproduce reliably is not much more than about 1/3 of her adult life. If she’s sufficiently smart (or devious, depending on your perspective) she will find a way to trade her very short lived value to a man… for a permanent supply of provisions from that man. The most common way is the institutionalized slavery of a marriage contract. Whoever she is, she dreams of the day when she signs that contract with a man.
You are not lucky to be that man…
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
(I like the spelling of “laydeez” from @experienced)
I did have an afterthought – this thread being about “the next generation” – and what I had said about “missing out not nothing”. I should append that I don’t believe not being a father is missing out on nothing. I would have loved to have been a Dad (and almost was – TWICE)……. but I would only be interested in it as part of a 2-parent household. I know so many Dad;s who also think being a Dad is the greatest thing in the world, and as a former coach and teacher of kids I can certainly agree with the pleasure it brings. I just don’t believe in divorce. Fatherhood is not within a man’s control either. I came close but even if a man wants to be, he can’t, and that’s the way the laws are set up in the west.
The previous comment was more about “the chance” at being regarded as “marriage material” to some female, which is no reliable unit of measure or standard to live up to…. with the way they discard good husbands (and fathers) on a whim.
So rather than thinking he doesn’t have a chance…..
He may be more rewarded to think of it in terms of denying women “the chance” to use his own children as leverage against him.That’s how I see it. It’s not that I will never have the chance to be a father.
Its more about how no woman will ever get the chance to take my children and hold them hostage for her precious ransom.…. and at the same time, I get to enjoy watching a few childless women I know facing old age with no husband to boss around and nag into his own grave. They are just the type to do it too. Thrilled no man gave them the chance.
I would like to thank @brainpilot for stepping and emphasizing the point further.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.As a man, you are not “lucky” to have a woman to provide things for. She is lucky to have you. Your ability to provide lasts almost your whole adult life, whereas her ability to reproduce reliably is not much more than about 1/3 of her adult life. If she’s sufficiently smart (or devious, depending on your perspective) she will find a way to trade her very short lived value to a man… for a permanent supply of provisions from that man. The most common way is the institutionalized slavery of a marriage contract. Whoever she is, she dreams of the day when she signs that contract with a man.
Great point.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Family courts. The tender years doctrine. No fault divorce. So-called “pro-choice” legislation that gives men no choice at all but keeps all the responsibility firmly on their heads. Mandatory child support from men for children that aren’t even theirs to women who they don’t even have to have had sex with. She just has to put their name down on paper with no consequences to her.
The only choice men have is the choice to opt out. And that’s no choice at all.
So if I have no choices in the matter of the next generation, then HOW IS THE NEXT GENERATION MY PROBLEM? How is it my responsibility?
And there’s more to it than just creating the next generation. There is also the matter of feeding the next generation. Clothing the next generation. Housing the next generation. And guess what? THAT’S NOT MY PROBLEM EITHER.
There is literally no incentive any more for an intelligent, resourceful man to procreate, because the progeny are not his. They are her children. Or they are “the village’s children.” Or some other such crap. The only thing that’s his is the bill. There isn’t even the benefit of continuing his genes because there’s no guarantee that the children he’ll be stuck paying for have his genes. Fully a third of all children, minimum, are cuckoo’s eggs. F~~~ that noise.
I used to be worried about things like peak oil, radioactive waste, overfishing, global warming, all that. I used to worry about the future. Then I realized I don’t have a stake in that future, so now I don’t worry about it. Or care.
The future is not my problem.
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