Well well well…RoK gets blue b~~~~…

[Anonymous 5]

To all PUA’s. From my perspective, PUA strategy is insane on every level from diseases (worst) to possible pregnancy (the other worst) and possible rape charges (which are almost always aimed at PUAs once the vagina has found out it was PUA’d)

Barbarossa says it all with his tone of voice when discussing PUA mentality, and not just the clip in the archives.
He dismantles the entire construct piece by piece.
It’s unnerving to realize how subservient you’re being to women when you adopt a PUA mentality, furthermore, how much time, effort and money you invest.
The most absurd aspect is basing your sense of self worth on women.

If you want to play that game, go for it. If it’s your way, then don’t let anyone else tell you otherwise.
But there’s something Barbarossa and no other NGTOW guy seems to have pointed out.
Please, don’t insist that I hear every detail of your exploits, every time you play the game.
It’s honestly interesting the first couple of times and yes, I did feel a little envious the first couple of times, but after that it gets BORING!!!!
It can go on for years and years,,,every time, you insist on relating the story to every person who’s stupid enough not to tell you to shut the f~~~ up.
To me, it’s the equivalent of some gossipy bitch going round telling a story to every woman she can.
Each time she tells the story it changes a little with experience, highlighting bits here and there and removing others that don’t quite get the required reaction. Till, at some stage, it’s just a construct, designed to extract awe and envy, much the same way that gossipy bitches tell stories to sooth their own egos and justify their s~~~ty behaviour when relating one sided stories again and again.

If you insist it’s about sex (which it isn’t, it’s about your ego), then do it all you want
Just f~~~ing don’t f~~~ing bore me with your boring s~~~ about it, ok, because I know, from many, many years of experience with many PUA’s, it’s all about keeping your ego inflated. Again, it has NOTHING to do with sex, nor does rape.

If any MGTOW or anyone else decides he doesn’t want to get married or have long term relationships with women, that’s their business.
Mind your own.

(P.S. EVERY PUA I’ve ever personally known eventually gets spectacularly f~~~ed over by a woman. No exceptions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Knights Templar Rising wrote:

Utterly clueless protohominid.  The stories I have from college are legend, and at 47 women still hit on me at stores.  I make good money and have traveled the world.

Same here. Crossed the world a few times – and for a living!

I too have actually told my personal experiences and stories on the ROK website …. including memories of a VERY well known porn star I dated for 18 months – before she became a porn star. ROK readers thumbed it up more than a hundreds times. It’s really remarkable just how clueless. In the future, when they have any questions about MGTOW, they may use the contact form… and ASK. First AVFM digs their own grave and now ROK pulls this s~~~ – even after we OFFERED TO HELP THEM.

MGTOW are the better men here with the better choices and clearer focus.

I just returned from dinner out with a colleague / friend of almost 10 years, and he was there when we were new here. I started from the beginning (last year) over coffee and explained “MGTOW” to him – when the site was still in it’s infancy. I didn’t even tell him the site name until we reached 3000 members. I wanted it to be somewhat of a success FIRST. Told him what kind of community it is, what it stands for and our plans etc…. he has been a great friend with reasonable and very well thought out suggestions.

So today over dinner he whips out his phone and shows me an email from PUA David Deangelo who is now married to a horse-faced manjaw (best he can do as a multimillionaire?) and outed himself as total weakling after he got married. He was such a fraud poser, one day he sent out a mass email to everyone saying “I’m getting married” and PUBLICLY WITHDREW EVERYTHING he ever said on PUA and banging/dating lots of chicks…. and said he’s now going to teach “how to have a successful relationship”. What a zero-integrity piece of s~~~.

So my friend wants to read me an email from him over dinner and I plugged my ears and started humming and said “I AM NOT LISTENING TO THAT FRAUD” and we had a good laugh. But my friend insisted. The PUA piece of s~~~ email starts off:

“But I can still remember back, long before I was happily married, long before I learned how to attract great women into my life, or even had a clue how to talk to a woman“.

Can you believe that s~~~? HOW TO TALK TO A WOMAN.
She’s just a woman. Not a dentist’s chair, you f~~~ing moron.

It doesn’t require any stealth, training or knowledge “to talk to a woman” like she is unattainable and you need to PAY FOR A SEMINAR from some married PUA jerk-off who is having less sex now than he was having even BEFORE he got married!!! That’s the problem with these PUA retards and their “you can’t get laid” horses~~~. It’s all a bunch of crap, and MGTOW have better s~~~ to do.

You know who’s not getting laid? Boyfriends and husbands.

If you don’t even know how to “talk to a woman” what the f~~~ are you like when it’s time to pay your taxes???

The point is….. a PUA will shame you in a weekly email and tell you that you need learn a SKILL to “learn how to talk to a woman”. A MGTOW will tell you not to even f~~~ing bother. When any of these idiots can tell me how to successfully GET RID of a woman when I don’t want her around… THAT would be a neat trick.

I can’t even get one to stop emailing me – even when I insult the s~~~ out of her.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

That line is epic: Can you believe that s~~~? HOW TO TALK TO A WOMAN. She’s just a woman. Not a dentist’s chair, you f~~~ing moron.

I am currently sitting on a pile of PUA stuff I bought over the years.  It didn’t make much of a difference at all.  I do like some of the NLP, but to what end? I feel it is a LOT better for each man to figure out where he is heading, and work on it, and tend to it, then get into manipulation games and so on.  Women know this stuff and can play back to get resources the need.  I used to joke I read more books on dating than kissed women.  I have a variant I can say now, but I save that for off the Internet.

I shouldn’t bust on PUA alone either.  The life is full of everyone, from the job market and so on, telling you how to fake it and be what everyone else wants you to be, so that you can get what you want.  They say this, right as BS filters are in place to work against it.  So, my take is, you need to be the best version of yourself as you can, and leave the BS behind, in a BIG way.

As it written: What do you gain by gaining the entire world, if you lose your soul in the process?

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Keymaster wrote:

You know who’s not getting laid? Boyfriends and husbands.

 

This is very true, if people listen to Tom Leykis streams you will have guys call in and state they are f~~~ing a married chick or they have a boyfriend.  The reason for this is because these men lost their b~~~~.

 

 

 

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[AFTParticipant 2726]

Keymaster wrote:

MGTOW are the better men here with the better choices and clearer focus.

That’s what I most admire about MGTOW and yourself, it’s the positive:
– Men only, as distinct from no women.
– Indifference to women as distinct from hostility.
– Taking the higher ground against shaming other men’s groups.
– Logical arguments as distinct from shaming vitriol.

Thank you for keeping it above the level they have obviously sunk.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[KeymasterKeymaster]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

That line is epic: Can you believe that s~~~? HOW TO TALK TO A WOMAN. She’s just a woman. Not a dentist’s chair, you f~~~ing moron.

Interesting you pointed out exactly that line. I typed that out at the ROK website. Those exact words under a thread/post about making “approaches”. I have the screenshot of it because it was one of my most popular concepts (as I pointed out earlier). The “fear” of approaching women is horse s~~~. It doesn’t exist anywhere but in your own head. “She’s just a woman. Not a dentist’s chair” was the best way I knew how to say it. I have “fear” of the dentists chair. But “approaching a woman”. The WEAKNESS that these guys feed off (and towards you) is unbelievable. The nonsense.

“You need to make more approaches. Approach. Approach. Approach”.

F~~~ off.

To the PUA “you can’t get laid” crowd: Ever thought of trying to get a woman to approach YOU? I don’t need to approach jack s~~~. I can just look at her from across the room and motion her over. Try and wrap your brain around that one PUAs. You know who taught you that? A MGHOW, that’s who. A guy who knows more about women than YOU. Watch and learn. ( I say that with playful enjoyment)

This all just taking their s~~~ and slinging it back.
They would be better off just shutting their f~~~ing cakeholes.

AFT wrote:

Thank you for keeping it above the level they have obviously sunk.

Salutes.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

The article sounds a lot like projection.

 

[KingOfTheSeaParticipant 1270]

Keymaster wrote:

To the PUA “you can’t get laid” crowd: Ever thought of trying to get a woman to approach YOU? I don’t need to approach jack s~~~. I can just look at her from across the room and motion her over.

I don’t think PUAs realize that they’re on the same coin as the Nice Guys, just the other side. Whereas the Nice Guys’ instinct is the “flight” part when it comes to approaching women, PUAs are more of the “fight”. It’s the same affliction of caring more about what women think of them than what they think about themselves, it’s just the opposite reaction. MGTOW is the guy using the coin to buy himself a pack of gum.

[Mango IngawayParticipant 2264]

ROK are like a bunch of wymyn, they don’t have a clue what they want.
Soon they label themselves “pua-traditionalist-poney-riding-going-their-own-way-around-the-plantation-because-mommy-doesn’t-like-us-to-go-any-further”

They shoot themselves in the foot 24/7.

It is a common failing of childhood to think that if one makes a hero out of a demon the demon will be satisfied.

[Anonymous 18]

Anonymous wrote:

The most absurd aspect is basing your sense of self worth on women.

I would say that’s a default for a man without any ambition in life. To not measure one’s worth in the wonders of pussyland, a man must have substance to define himself, his worth. To most who don’t idolize women it boils down to their careers/income/hobbies. Well rounded off personalities sans any woman. In an absence of ambition AND zer0 desire to chase women, you become an easy prey to shaming tactics which these fraudsters (PUAs, women) so heavily rely on.

Anonymous wrote:

Each time she tells the story it changes a little with experience, highlighting bits here and there and removing others that don’t quite get the required reaction. Till, at some stage, it’s just a construct, designed to extract awe and envy, much the same way that gossipy bitches tell stories to sooth their own egos and justify their s~~~ty behaviour when relating one sided stories again and again

Very well written.

Anonymous wrote:

P.S. EVERY PUA I’ve ever personally known eventually gets spectacularly f~~~ed over by a woman. No exceptions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

In line with what KingoftheSea wrote, I believe PUAs are still moths to a flame. Their “approach” might be different but the mindset of how “worthy/important” a vagina is on par to the projected mythical ‘loser, virginal, desperate MGTOW’ painted in the s~~~ article. I am fascinated that I am finding shaming language to be more and more amusing. You listen, you deconstruct, you disregard. Then it becomes just plain funny.

Keymaster wrote:

You know who’s not getting laid? Boyfriends and husbands.

It’s really sad, perhaps another red pill for me, but correctly said that it’s the MGTOW’s 1+ notch count.

 

[Lazarus LongParticipant 365]

KeyMaster definitely said it better than I could but the problem they (PUA etc) have is inherent in the idea of having “game”to begin with. A “game” implies you can lose, I refuse to enter into a prospect that I am not certain of victory.

Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Lazarus Long wrote:

KeyMaster definitely said it better than I could but the problem they (PUA etc) have is inherent in the idea of having “game”to begin with. A “game” implies you can lose, I refuse to enter into a prospect that I am not certain of victory.

Well, I take PUA try to find some sort of way to win a game that is supposed to be for all men, so they can be top of the pecking order, and boast of their ego and their status, so they then can have influence over other men, and have that also boost their ego, and enable them to get more resources.  What I take MGTOW as, is a MGTOW having his own game, and figuring out how he can win at it.  I don’t see why a MGTOW needs to have anyone else lose, but if others will get in the way of the MGTOW’s own game, they can lose.  MGTOW is a way for all men to win, if the games each man has work together.

I use game here also, because I do game design stuff, as an interest.  I still need to figure out how to monetize it though.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[sidecarParticipant 35862]

It seems to me that every single one of these “manosphere” groups that turn on MGTOW do so after they learn they can’t make any money off MGTOW and start to see it as competition to their own money making schemes.

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5127]

This is such a classic “attack the defenseless” tactic.  They can not make any current progress attacking the real enemy, so they turn on their own attacking those as they see weak or out of line.  This is a classic political tactic, whether to add membership from outside or to rally and consolidate support within the ranks of their own weak minded drones.  Good for them, they just gave Josef Goebbels a boner.

Sovereignty above all else.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

sidecar wrote:

It seems to me that every single one of these “manosphere” groups that turn on MGTOW do so after they learn they can’t make any money off MGTOW and start to see it as competition to their own money making schemes.

Really dialed up the kindness when we contacted them. Just poured it on. Wrote ROK three paragraphs responding to their ad. Got once sentence back. You don’t respond that way to such a thing with one short sentence. “Already hired someone we’re already covered but we’ll keep you in mind “. Well then PULL THE F~~~ING AD DOWN and don’t lie your ass off to MGTOW and waste an applicant’s time. It’s rude.

It’s still there:

HELP WANTED

– by Roosh

http://www.returnofkings.com/52561/help-wanted-wordpress-developer

They just refuse to look at others with any respect and admiration – even when you’re BETTER.
They HAVE to tell themselves you “can’t get laid”. Else their brains will explode.

MANSLATION: “We’lll keep you in mind and bash the s~~~ out of you, because we can’t accept our own inadequacies”.

Knights Templar Rising wrote:

This is such a classic “attack the defenseless” tactic.  They can not make any current progress attacking the real enemy, so they turn on their own attacking those as they see weak or out of line.  This is a classic political tactic, whether to add membership from outside or to rally and consolidate support within the ranks of their own weak minded drones.  Good for them, they just gave Josef Goebbels a boner.

RE: “Weak”. They should not have tried this in face of us stepping forward to help them with their website. Responding directly to their ads asking for help. And we even offered helpful tips on Twitter when Roosh was having a problem. And if anyone was “weak”…. it was Roosh’s lackluster performance on the Doctor OZ show – which he felt some need to publicly produce a video on his own “weak” behavior.

Under that video, I posted a comment (with a MGTOW icon – he definitely read it) telling him how he could have FLATTENED DR. OZ with a simple Google search for “DR OZ FAT”, because the “weakling” makes an entire industry out of fat-shaming America. Roosh could have single handedly made Dr OZ so uncomfortable that he would INSIST on cutting to commercial. Instead, Roosh passively sat in his chair with his eyes down.

2 sentences would have done it: “Doctor OZ don’t give me that high and mighty speech on “fat shaming” as some kind of problem… that’s all you do is fat shame America and your own audience. That’s your BUSINESS. Lose Weight! Lose Weight! Lose That Unhealthy Weight! 3-Step Plan to Triple Your Fat Loss! Dr. Oz Discusses Belly Fat & Why You Should Get a Flat Stomach. Burn Fat with Dr. Oz’s Secret Slim Down Drink The Detox Diet to Burn Fat!! Fat Busters!! Lose that weight! Shed pounds of fat! Get rid of that fat! 7 MILLION RESULTS… and you’re gonna sit across from me pretending to have a problem because I called a fat person FAT on twitter???? ARE YOU HIGH???? “

He suggests his people “DETOX”. Implying it’s TOXIC TO BE FAT.
In order to be even with DR. OZ’s level of fat shaming , Roosh would have to tweet to 7,000,000 fatties.

Turn it into good joke and the audience would have been ALL HIS. And Roosh pretends to be a “writer”. He could have STRUTTED out of that building. Instead he turns on his webcam and says “I could have handled that better – but I think it went OK”.

… and MGTOW are “weak”.

The next time they have any questions about MGTOW and who’s getting laid, they can use the contact form and ASK. They should be shaming the husbands of America for going 2 days without sex. That s~~~ doesn’t happen in Brazil. They will bang a hooker if a wife doesn’t put out. But western American husbands go MONTHS without it.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[ManocalypseParticipant 321]

Yes, Roosh hasn’t been the same since the Dr Oz debacle and is looking for something to blame…oh look it’s MGTOW!

If these PUAs want to “game” themselves into a courthouse then let them. But be careful boys, one slip, one discernible beat of that beating beta heart and they’ll be in the jug before their feet touch the ground…

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5127]

After some meditation, we should send him some beer because that man just gave this site free advertising either way.  “All press is good press!”

The anecdote I will relate is a story from my dad.  The first time he heard about Marijuana was a negative news story.  So the next day he asked some guys at work and got some. Negative advertising can have the opposite effect.

Sovereignty above all else.

[AFTParticipant 2726]

We should rise above this and leave the petty shame tactics to women like this mangina author (couldn’t help myself)

Not all Manosphere – PUA are delusioned duchbags.

I noticed in the comments a lot of them paid out on this bulls~~~ article, like anything you’re going to get morons, but hopefully the majority of PUA are normal guys just like us.

One concept in PUA I found interesting is FRAME:

This particular douche Matt Forney, doesn’t even realize, how manipulated he is by putting pussy into the center of his frame, he truely worships at the alter of the pussy.

“Frame is everything. Always be aware of the subconscious balance of who’s frame in which you are operating. Always control the Frame, but resist giving the impression that you are.”

http://therationalmale.com/2011/10/12/frame/”

“So frame control is your world-view. It is your own set of rose-tinted spectacles with which you view the world. Yours. Uniquely yours.”
” the world is what I say it is. My world, my idea, my rules. The world is my idea!”

“Find a philosophy of life and practice it. You almost need to brainwash yourself into believing your own propaganda. Either a religious-based ethical system, or a philosophical system (Stoicism, Buddhism, etc.) will do nicely. Having this inner rudder will enable you to withstand the tempests and cruelties of life.

http://www.returnofkings.com/29943/the-essence-of-frame-control

Written by Quintus Curtius, who posted some mixed comments.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[BONEParticipant 448]

What I don’t understand is, why is us minding our own damn business such a big problem lol like really, I thought only WOMEN do that shaming s~~~, that’s for females. It’s no point in even being mad anymore,….f~~~ing love that picture AFT, it perfectly sums up the male/female dynamic. I used to be brainwashed by that PUA s~~~ back then (simplepickup), I tried to live up to all that nonsense like I was going after f~~~ing gold in the atlantic ocean until I realize I don’t give a f~~~, that’s what these people need to understand: WE DON’T CARE, I’d rather stick my dick in a beehive.

[AFTParticipant 2726]

BONE wrote:

why is us minding our own damn business such a big problem

Imagine your whole philosophy was based around your self worth as a pussy chaser. You put your clown costume on, peac~~~ and all the rest of the high effort hogwash. Then along comes a guy and says it ain’t no big thing, and gets laid just as much as you. I’d be butt-hurt too.
There’s some good info in PUA, I believe in learning for improvement wherever I can. Self mastery, I liked the concept of the frame, I just refuse to put women in the center of it.

BONE wrote:

WE DON’T CARE, I’d rather stick my dick in a beehive.

I wish I wasn’t so beholden to sticking it in vag, but that’s what GMOY is about, recognizing that impulse and managing it. It’s worth a coffee rendezvous, perhaps dinner, but my effort and resources are focused on me, building a life I’m proud of, I’m in the center of my frame, and I like it just fine. It’s not all about instant gratification, I’m managing my limited resources to optimize my best long term interests.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

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