We Lost Another One

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@phoenix. Great post.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[experiencedParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

MGTOW really could have helped him.
He and I collaborated on a number of projects. He was a very good man. He wasn’t poor. He got sacked due to his age and handled it the wrong way. It’s not like it was when I graduated college or even 10 years ago. I’ve always had formal jobs within two weeks or less just by networking. I spent 15 months wasting time looking for a job when I went down. It is so hard on one’s soul. My friend who was in the same situation as me killed himself. I snapped and said f~~~ the corporate plantation forever. I’m now approaching five years of being self-employed.
The same company sacked me years ago, and I went my own way for I am a Black Horse.

Tuneout wrote:

Isn’t that illegal? I don’t know what country you’re from but here in Canada there are labour laws to protect against that kind of BS.

Technically yes, but in the Fascist States of ‘Murica there are many, many ways around such trivialities. HR literature is full of instructions on exactly how to do it.

MG-ɹǝʍoʇ wrote:

Corporate should get a lead bullet not a golden parachute!

Why waste valuable bullets on sociopathic corporate executives? They should swing by the neck from lamp posts in The Hamptons by parachute cord as a warning to their ilk. Leave the corpses for the vultures and crows.
@MonkMode: You are a gem.

Immediately following WWII, executives pulling too much bulls~~~ were killed by men would been trained to, “kill the enemy”

Keymaster wrote:

ChauvinistPig wrote:

Remember, HR is woman country, and HR c~~~s are vicious pieces of s~~~.

They are also the most USELESS AND EXPENDABLE non-productive part of a company. They stand in the way of companies finding the right people. It’s only a matter of time. When the s~~~ REALLY goes down, they will be the FIRST to go.

ChauvinistPig wrote:

Thanks guys. This one stings.

I have a personal bone to flick at HR c~~~s and not because I lost a job or anything, but because I have seen first hand how much they actually COST a company and what kind of real LOSSES they create.
They are a fad and will be snuffed out. I have seen them in “action” and the way they conduct themselves / interview and the methods they employ… and if I were the CEO, I would have sent them packing.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU THREW HIS APPLICATION AWAY?? IT COSTS US $20K JUST TO HIRE AN LOOK FOR A NEW WORKER. AND YOU DIDN”T EVEN CALL HIM FOR AN INTERVIEW??? BECAUSE HE’S WHITE??? GET THE F~~~ OUT YOU UELESS C~~~. YOU”RE FIRED. BECAUSE YOU HAVE A VAGINA. HOW DOES IT FEEL NOW??
She wouldn’t even win a “wrongful dismissal” claim.
Their job is to FIND the right person, not throw people away. She’s not even in a position to determine what the right person is! You have no idea how many female recruiters I have encountered who have no f~~~ing idea about the position they are hiring for. It’s truly unbelievable.

“Well I’m not really an engineer so ….”

“Then why am I speaking to you, and what IDIOT put you in charge of finding one??”

If any of you CEOs out there are reading this and have an “HR” department, you’re throwing your f~~~ing money and good people away. Go ahead, hire the affirmative action clowns , or hire more women JUST because they are women and you need to make quota…. and watch your margins go through the roof.

(Well whaddya know, I didn’t have problem finding the words after all.)

What happens is that they have the responsibility of finding the right person and to do that they are given the authority to eliminate choices.
FIRST off, they’re not eliminating them correctly and secondly
[sarcasm- Not that a laydeez would grab for the authoritah and ignore the corresponding responsibility.)

CPig: Sorry for your loss. You’ve done a great service sharing this pain and wisely highlighting the fact of “properly dealing with loss” a mainstay of this site.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[experiencedParticipant]

I meant to highlite:
CPig: Sorry for your loss!

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Anonymous 54]

Sorry about your freind.We should never let other people determine our self worth. Especially not some damn company.

[Anonymous 11]

Great post too Phoenix. I agree with everything you wrote.

I’ve also gotten dumped from some high paying decent jobs always ordered from on high. I can sniff the signs now from six months to a year away. The last time, I went through a 15 month period of hell, alongside my friend, after losing my job. After he killed himself, I couldn’t take the pressure anymore. Those of you who have applied online to jobs know what I’m talking about. Every single one of them is different. One can waste hours of valuable time. I decided f~~~ it. I went self-employed. I began to network like crazy.

A friend has an ex who is an HR goddess. She was nothing more than a highly paid chimp who turned into a highly paid HR consultant. She is quite attractive which did not hurt so she used blue pill men to get where she is at today. She is also incredibly intellectually stupid. She vindictively ruined my friend’s life over child support when she was making over 150K a year. She used the legal system to strip mine him of everything.

The the patronizing things I’ve been reading about anyone 50 and older lately have been insulting to say the least. I read that we don’t learn as fast as younger people. I call bulls~~~. Not only that, we are more efficient and reliable. There seems to be an orchestrated propaganda campaign against older workers. I was smart when I was young. I still have the same intellect only now featuring wisdom gained from all of the mistakes I made. I admit I might not be up to speed on Pokemon, but I can identify and solve problems.

As a MGHOW, I say f~~~ corporatism, c~~~s, and the society that is actively trying to destroy me. I will not be defeated.

Just since my former co-worker did that to himself, many other men have chosen the same path lest we not forget them.

[experiencedParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

She is quite attractive.
She vindictively ruined my friend’s life over child support when she was making over 150K a year.
She used the legal system to strip mine him of everything.

Thank you for bringing this up as it illustrates how even an attractive, over 150K a year laydee (sounds like a possible option) will not say,”Time to split, we make about the same$$….”, Nooooooo, she’ll only use that $$ power to strip him mine him to ruin. And here I thought the worst was they quit their job, man was I wrong.
AWALT.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[RASmanParticipant 1994]

I didn’t know “over 50” was a thing and companies trim that way based on that

Believe me gents; in the corporate world if you’re over 50, you’re dead. Be able to retire by then.

[Anonymous 11]

@experienced: She’s really a special kind of c~~~. No man would stay around her even blue pill ones.

I’ve never seen anything like it. My friend is in the trades field. 2008 slammed him hard, and he fell behind. She went after him with a full vendetta. He went in and out of jail multiple times. How are you to make money when they deprive you of the right to drive and keep you in jail?

He’s just now starting to get more regular work as construction has picked up here due to the population growth. His kids are over 18 now so he’s clear. She even came to an agreement with him to settle on the back support amount. He paid it and is free.

For you younger MGTOWs, 50 will be knocking on your door before you know it. Don’t waste your youth letting women run you like a puppet. Hopefully, this over 50 corporate jihad will be done when you get here. I saw an over 50 guy working at Chik-Fil-A a long time employer of teens only.

[Anonymous 42]

Anonymous wrote:

How are you to make money when they deprive you of the right to drive and keep you in jail?

If women felt the sting of reality just for one time their psychotic behavior and narcissism would be jarred off its tracks, then they could know what it’s like to be in a train wreck!

Anonymous wrote:

So why are most men so desperate to “give back” or to “be productive” to “help society?” I laugh at that type of mentality. Take care of yourself and refuse to help others, they’ll start to understand eventually that you treat others the way you want to be treated yourself.

I FKN TOTALLY AGREE!

They went from soft ball, then to hard ball, now they’re throwing rocks! COVER YOUR OWN ASS f~~~ being an ass-wipe disposable tool for everyone else! The best skills to know are the ones that make you independent of money!

A moron spends his money foolishly employing the inflated and taxed rate set by others, snaring him indirectly as the rake of taxes reaches far and wide into every crack and crevasse.
By learning do-it-yourself skills you sever the hand of the tax-man, causing him to dig deeper into the pockets of the ignorant (someone else). Look at every receipt you have, TAX TAX TAX! You live just as wealthy as any executive and time to time better than a CEO. Every minute, every dollar, every dime, is yours to keep, you’re not paying the outrageous tax burden set on the labor, materials, and so much else.

Corporate salary? NO way, I don’t have time and can’t afford the losses that come with that JOB!

I’m building my own custom doors that can’t be purchased anywhere else. The quality of mass produced doors is sickening! I’m building them to suite my needs. A contractor would charge thousands between himself, the fabricator, and the taxman. It’s costing me pennies in welding gas, nickles in welding wire, I already have the steel and insulation, my only other expense is the sheething, I have a 40 yo NOS cedar overhead door I’m opting out of using but will disassemble the #1 cedar now so hard to get and priced through the roof!

Take care of yourself, no one else will!

[coolthingy450Participant 1223]

I am sorry to hear about your buddy ChauvinistPig.

I’ve always hated working with people my age. Working with older men you get far more done with them, then without.

I have nothing more to say about this. It’s just depressing to hear a story like this.

Actions have consequences and consequences have prices. Cause and effect at work.

[Oz-BlokeParticipant 3233]

Anonymous wrote:

You’re supposed to gain capital and then leverage it. Only your property and investments mean anything. Some members on here rent out apartments, that’s a good one.

This is my strategy. I’ll be surprised if I am kept on past age 55 in the current company I am employed by. Not through lack of knowledge or work quality mind-you, but merely because every five years they pay an external company a s~~~load of $$$ to write a restructure plan, sack a bunch of experienced, hard-working men who actually produce and fix s~~~, and just employ more young, naive short-skirted girls in HR and marketing. I warn management of the dangers of too much sizzle (marketing and PR) and not enough sausage (tangible results, good products), but they are dumb as doorknobs and push on into the abyss of gender and race ‘equity’ quotas.

For this reason I am paying off a second rental property so that if the axe falls, I can live off the rents and do freelance work for my company’s competitors when and if I wish. It’s a shame men over 50 are seen as disposable, but it seems to be the way of the world.

#ManOut

[experiencedParticipant]

Oz-Bloke wrote:

phoenix wrote:

You’re supposed to gain capital and then leverage it. Only your property and investments mean anything. Some members on here rent out apartments, that’s a good one.

every five years they pay an external company a s~~~load of $$$ to write a restructure plan, sack a bunch of experienced, hard-working men who actually produce and fix s~~~, and just employ more young, naive short-skirted girls in HR and marketing.

This corporate behavior is the same as pimps.
They hire someone else to beat the s~~~ out of a girl who doesn’t give every penny to the pimp.
That way the pimp remains truly beloved.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[EyeswideopenParticipant 2930]

Oz-Bloke wrote:

For this reason I am paying off a second rental property so that if the axe falls, I can live off the rents and do freelance work for my company’s competitors when and if I wish. It’s a shame men over 50 are seen as disposable, but it seems to be the way of the world.

This is my plan.

(Your mileage will very. I am not dispensing financial advise.)

I have one rental property and my house has enough spare rooms and a basement with a separate entrance that I can finish for an isolated rental unit. That and a well balanced portfolio of dividend paying stocks in my retirement account.

I would suggest (without warranty) to have a cash reserve of 24-36 months of your cyclical expenses so that if you loose your employment you have a 2-3 year window to either find another or downsize without going into fire-sale mode. For me that’s around 36K.

Anything extra I pile into good quality, boring, investments that are well diversified. Yes, the stock market could crash and never recover, but if that happens, our fiat currency will be worthless anyway.

I have about 20 more years of work ahead of me until I am mid 50’s so I have a long event horizon for a good, solid rate of return on my portfolio over time. Plus, I am super frugal by nature so I don’t need a lot of toys to be happy.

- Marriage is described as an institution. You would have to be crazy to be commited to it. -"If you want to live a happy life, tie it to a goal. Not people or things" Albert Einstein

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