Wanting a family

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

surfdude12 wrote:

Just go poor foreign country, get a girlfriend (surrogate), be straight with her and pay her $$ to have baby and sign paperwork then bring baby back here. I read Surrogate is $30K in USA…WTF

Certainly not a girlfriend. There is a chance of her weaponizing the children. Like what keymaster’s relative experienced.

Do everything through the agent and do not get attached to the child until the law say he is yours. Be prepared to let go if the bitch tries to weaponize the child.

Go to proper channel that use the egg from a woman and use the womb of another women so the women cannot have a direct claim to the child.

Do not have any relationship with the women at all!!!

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[MGTOW_MikeParticipant 6254]

the road wrote:

You are far more likely than not to get divorce raped and lose everything.

Yes! Statistics agree with this.

It is clear that Gambit is well aware of these facts, but he is in a limbo mode. He seems to be torn between the raw logic of MGTOW and having his own children. I appreciate that this is one of, if not, the biggest challenges for most men who want to go their own way. Our biological drive pushes us in one direction and at the same time, society has become so dysfunctional.

A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

In the US a surrogate mother costs $100,000-$150,000 (note she’ll be paid about a third of that; there a lot of middlemen/lawyers that take a cut).

That sounds expensive, but it’s far cheaper than a marriage/divorce (hell, NYC weddings now average like $70k – f~~~ing insane!).

Ronaldo – one of the richest men on the planet – went this route.

You could probably drive down the cost if you did it in a developing country.

Way cheaper in Ukraine or India:

Surrogacy Costs

[Anonymous 43]

my children are my greatest joy. when they were with me, I was able to teach them useful things, and this instilled great satisfaction in me.

my children are my greatest pain. when their mother force fed them lies and poisoned them against me, I was absolutely destroyed from within. the no contact order slammed a great iron gate closed on that part of my life. it was as if all my strength had left my body. my children are lost, but not dead.

the day I lost my children, I was also given a court order that would render me homeless two weeks later, for 5 months.

Gambit, the rewards of raising children are fleeting. they do not stay cute little children for long. from birth to age 3, they require almost constant care. the greatest satisfaction in those years is when they hit developmental targets, proof that your child is not defective.

ages 4 to 10, also rewarding, teaching children how to become ready for school, and behave in society. this also requires near constant training. again, very rewarding for you the teacher when certain goals are achieved.

10 to 14, children gain independence and leave your home more for events and play dates. here you trust your child is visiting homes of other children and you have to trust other people with your children.

after age 14…good luck.

there is no guarantee that your children will grow up the way you want them to be. there is no guarantee that you will like your children.

I really did not want children, but was trapped by holes in condoms and “I forgot to take my pill” bulls~~~, then more or less coerced into another child. This totally sidetracked my life from what I wanted to whatever she wanted and the kids needed. now at age 47, I am going back to school to go get what women have talked me out of for 30 years.

sold myself my sovereignty my future for temporary comfort and what I thought was a safe life. lol it was not to be.

if you like joy, pain, sunshine and rain, by all means have children.

[sidecarParticipant 35857]

ghost wrote:

but I still want to have a family

And I want a flying car.

But that doesn’t mean I’m going to duct tape a set of wings to my R8 and drive it off a cliff.

Yeah, it sucks wanting what you can’t have, but you still can’t have it. Refusing to accept that unpleasant truth is very expensive and futile.

[foghornleghornParticipant 3449]

Once when I was in my early 20’s I thought of it. Don’t anymore. In a world where a man is merely defined as a wallet and can at anytime be tossed aside is not a world I want to raise a child in.

[ghostParticipant]

MGTOW_Mike wrote:

It is clear that Gambit is well aware of these facts, but he is in a limbo mode. He seems to be torn between the raw logic of MGTOW and having his own children. I appreciate that this is one of, if not, the biggest challenges for most men who want to go their own way. Our biological drive pushes us in one direction and at the same time, society has become so dysfunctional.

Bingo.

[the roadParticipant 3125]

ghost wrote:

MGTOW_Mike wrote:

It is clear that Gambit is well aware of these facts, but he is in a limbo mode. He seems to be torn between the raw logic of MGTOW and having his own children. I appreciate that this is one of, if not, the biggest challenges for most men who want to go their own way. Our biological drive pushes us in one direction and at the same time, society has become so dysfunctional.

Bingo.

I wish you the best of luck in whatever you choose. Be careful.

#MANOUT

[DarkRyuParticipant 2354]

Do you have a net worth in excess of $1 million? If the answer is no, then you have no chance. The kid will cost at LEAST $500,000 when you factor in inflation over the next 18 years, and the divorce will cost you at LEAST $500,000. So having a kid will cost you $1 million.

Want 2 kids? Double it. And even after paying for 1-2 kids, chances are the evil c~~~ will steal them from you and make them think that you’re the devil. I can think of about a MILLION better ways to spend $1 million. Like giving $1 to a million different homeless people.

[ghostParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

If you have children with a woman in today’s world.

They’re NEVER yours.

She doesn’t see them as yours.

The courts don’t see them as yours.

YOU WILL LOSE THEM.

Only a matter of time.

I know you’re right but this is just not fair. This is NOT how it is supposed to be man.

[ghostParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Spit that blue pill out and wash your mouth out with some reality!

I am close to my family and my culture so it makes it difficult. I have a harder time fitting in during weddings, family gatherings, etc. I also feel like it affects me in other ways because I can’t enjoy what my Dad has been able to enjoy in terms of having a supportive wife and kids of his own.

[ghostParticipant]

Hawke wrote:

From my view – no I personally would´t take the risk. The game is rigged from the start and the risk is just too high. Hadn´t the society been so f~~~ed up as it is now – maybe. But sadly it is.

This is so hard to accept sometimes.

DorkShit wrote:

So, chances are great you won’t ever meet an eligible woman.

Ditto.

[Legendary lifeParticipant 44]

Anonymous wrote:

my children are my greatest joy. when they were with me, I was able to teach them useful things, and this instilled great satisfaction in me.

my children are my greatest pain. when their mother force fed them lies and poisoned them against me, I was absolutely destroyed from within. the no contact order slammed a great iron gate closed on that part of my life. it was as if all my strength had left my body. my children are lost, but not dead.

the day I lost my children, I was also given a court order that would render me homeless two weeks later, for 5 months.

Gambit, the rewards of raising children are fleeting. they do not stay cute little children for long. from birth to age 3, they require almost constant care. the greatest satisfaction in those years is when they hit developmental targets, proof that your child is not defective.

ages 4 to 10, also rewarding, teaching children how to become ready for school, and behave in society. this also requires near constant training. again, very rewarding for you the teacher when certain goals are achieved.

10 to 14, children gain independence and leave your home more for events and play dates. here you trust your child is visiting homes of other children and you have to trust other people with your children.

after age 14…good luck.

there is no guarantee that your children will grow up the way you want them to be. there is no guarantee that you will like your children.

I really did not want children, but was trapped by holes in condoms and “I forgot to take my pill” bulls~~~, then more or less coerced into another child. This totally sidetracked my life from what I wanted to whatever she wanted and the kids needed. now at age 47, I am going back to school to go get what women have talked me out of for 30 years.

sold myself my sovereignty my future for temporary comfort and what I thought was a safe life. lol it was not to be.

if you like joy, pain, sunshine and rain, by all means have children.

May 2020, Ive read so many of your posts over the last few weeks/months, you really did get it bad. On the flip side, you always write so much sense and take the unselfish time to educate others of the Pitt-falls and pain, risks of modern marriage, kids…you must be mentally strong to keep fighting everyday, I think your kids are very fortunate to have a Dad like you; in Time they will see this.

[ghostParticipant]

the road wrote:

I wish you the best of luck in whatever you choose. Be careful.

I appreciate it mate. The other aspect that bothers me is that my parents are getting older and they want nothing more than for me to get married and have kids. It would make everything they worked so hard for, worth it. I just feel terrible for them even if I put my own feelings aside.

[Anonymous 12]

ghost wrote:

I want to instill in them my values and hope they will carry my vision forward.

Values? Vision?

as agent Smith said…

“the reason of life is to End.”

[Anonymous 1]

ghost wrote:

I appreciate it mate. The other aspect that bothers me is that my parents are getting older and they want nothing more than for me to get married and have kids. It would make everything they worked so hard for, worth it. I just feel terrible for them even if I put my own feelings aside.

I feel terrible too. The world has become f~~~ed. Society is completely dysfunctional now. I look at it this way. We are on life boats in the arctic sea. Previous generations had economic “Stability” they could plan a family.

We didn’t make the world this way, we just have to live with the wreckage. It’s not our fault bro. Parents will just have to accept the fact that the world has gone straight to hell.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Adopt a child if that’s what you want. Marriage is a means of control. Mental, physical, and financial. And kids, as I’ve explained in a previous post are expensive. An estimated $250,000 from the time your wife is pregnant. That’s what you’ll spend to raise a child. It’s an investment with no guarantee the child will amount to anything in life. You’re hedging your bets on an uncertain future. In this day in age, with the job market how it is, and more and more jobs becoming automated, do you really want to raise a child only for it to become unemployable? Pay for college with a chance it drops out? Kids can be a wonderful thing, don’t get me wrong. But you’ll spend the rest of your life providing for that person in some fashion or another. At the expense of your own sovereignty.

[ghostParticipant]

IRuleMe wrote:

You’re hedging your bets on an uncertain future.

All valid points but I don’t want to miss out on that aspect of life. I plan to make enough money before I even think about this but I am not going to say never.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

ghost wrote:

the road wrote:

I wish you the best of luck in whatever you choose. Be careful.

I appreciate it mate. The other aspect that bothers me is that my parents are getting older and they want nothing more than for me to get married and have kids. It would make everything they worked so hard for, worth it. I just feel terrible for them even if I put my own feelings aside.

Your parents are blue pill, and they’ve followed like lemmings, the traditions and expectations that were programmed into them from their blue pilled parents and from the societal programming they grew up with. Don’t be a lemming. Don’t do stuff simply because other people want you to, or because other people are doing it. Break the chain. Do your OWN thing.

Parents want grandchildren because it’s an EGO boost for them. Once you take the red pill, you can’t unsee what has been seen. You know this. The problem you’re facing is still removing the lingering blue pill ideology that you have been programmed with for your entire life. And as they say “old habits die hard”.

Of course your parents want nothing more for you than to settle down and get married. That’s what they did, that’s what their parents did, and they’re projecting that on you. If anything you should be mad to some degree that your parents would so willingly try to “trap” you in a marriage. Granted they don’t know any better. But YOU do.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

ghost wrote:

IRuleMe wrote:

You’re hedging your bets on an uncertain future.

All valid points but I don’t want to miss out on that aspect of life. I plan to make enough money before I even think about this but I am not going to say never.

Listen Morty. You start living your life for someone else Morty, and, and, and, you give up your sovereignty Morty. Sooner or later you stop living life on your terms, and start living your life on someone else’s. Is that what you want? Huh? Is that what you want Morty? To be living your life for someone else without your sovereignty Morty? Your, your, your grandpa Rick is here to save you Morty! That’s right! You can thank me later Morty!

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