Wanting a family

[ghostParticipant]

I understand how some of us feel about this subject but I still want to have a family and raise a couple of kids. I want to instill in them my values and hope they will carry my vision forward. I live in a major city, in my early 30s and come from a South Asian background. I understand all the risks but is there a situation which any of you would be willing to take the risk? I have never been married but have had several failed relationships.

[Anonymous 13]

If you have children with a woman in today’s world.

They’re NEVER yours.

She doesn’t see them as yours.

The courts don’t see them as yours.

YOU WILL LOSE THEM.

Only a matter of time.

[Anonymous 13]

Chances of a marriage or partnership with a woman who has your children, working out.

ZERO.

[Old RottweilerParticipant 1520]

My kid is wonderful, the best thing I ever did and I have had a great life.

My ex let me raise her, which is unusual. My ex made my life difficult whenever possible, even when she had nothing to gain. That is with her not really wanting to raise the kid, .

I raised a step daughter for 4 years, I loved doing it. That ex made sure as I had no rights I never spoke to the kid again.

I’d recommend a surrogate or adoption. There is a huge chance you will have a kid and only be a sperm donor and a wallet. You will seldom get involved in the kids life or get to see it.

The risk is too great. Sorry to say.

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

Yes, but in our society it ends badly for the man.

With that in mind you must be of sound mind.

1. Have your life in order. Finances, Home, Insurance, etc
2. You must select an appropriate loser type woman. Didn’t graduate high school, IQ less than 90, etc
3. You must produce a child every one to two years.
4. You must control all finances from your sole bank account.
5. You must control all gadgets. No cell phone, laptops, tv, etc
6. You must have an exit strategy.

Basically, think of all the things a selfish woman would want and do the opposite.

You have to be the most hateful controlling ass hole walking the planet.

After the birth of your children, place as much workload as possible upon her.

And lastly, hug your children and enjoy them while you can.

PS, the more family, friends and other white knights that she can escape too because life is too hard the lower your chance of success. Goes without saying that orphaned woman is best bet.

Peace brothers

[goodkid43Spectator 550]

If you are a Christian, there is a chance. If not, then no.

The first question you need to ask yourself is what caused your previous failed relationships? If you can honestly analyse this objectively (considering opinions of others whom you respect), then this would be the starting point.

This site presents evidence to not marry and have kids. Have you considered adoption? I adopted my daughter but I was married at the time.

Take your time. Realize that being single is a legitimate option.

If you are a Christian, then prayer, fasting and being free from mortal sin is a necessary prerequisite to understand God’s will for your life.

Being in a big city has more temptations for women because of the dominance of Feminism in such areas.

God bless, Michael

[BoarParticipant]

Good luck. Before you look at all the wonderful things that can happen from raising a child, ask yourself what you would be willing to give up and what hardships you would be willing to endure for the privilege. That same privilege is an illusion. Your child support payments and alienation will not be an illusion.

Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.

[Anonymous 42]

We all want the blessings that have been swindled and stolen from us, but that’s a can-no-do! You’re looking at climbing a ladder that’s standing on ice! At any undetermined moment you go down real hard! And you’re slave to dream that in all likelihood will become your life’s BIGGEST REGRET!

Spit that blue pill out and wash your mouth out with some reality!

If you have to have a kid get an egg from one women and have it implanted into another that agrees to surrogate for a one time fee, and even then it could get sticky and bite you in the ass!

If you’re talking the lie they call the dream of marriage, family, and a white picket fence then perhaps you don’t belong here and should see the nearest agent and have yourself plugged into the MATRIX and become a power source for other’s to harvest you goods.

[MGTOW_MikeParticipant 6253]

ghost wrote:

I understand all the risks but is there a situation which any of you would be willing to take the risk

When it comes to risks, we FIRST need to take a BIG step back and look at the big picture and see what our deepest desires and expectations are.

As Matrix points out, this current environment is extremely toxic. Your expectation is to raise children who will carry your legacy, however based on statistics and a sea of information, the probability of this “ideal” scenario materializing is very very slim. On top of this, think about the probability of your future children actually wanting to carry your legacy. Most likely, they will want to live their life based on their own standards, standards that may go directly against your way of life.

As you may know, you multiply (as far as I remember) both probabilities to get the overall probability. You will notice that the overall probability is super super slim.

Say:
chance of finding decent woman 50% (super generous figure)
chance of kids carrying your legacy 50%
Overall probability of BOTH working out (25%).

Have you thought about adopting a child?

A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

ghost wrote:

I understand how some of us feel about this subject but I still want to have a family and raise a couple of kids. I want to instill in them my values and hope they will carry my vision forward. I live in a major city, in my early 30s and come from a South Asian background. I understand all the risks but is there a situation which any of you would be willing to take the risk? I have never been married but have had several failed relationships.

First: do NOT sign a marriage contract. Marriage contract is meant to give TO HER the rights, not to the children.
Second: keep in mind that the kids are mainly her kids, not your kids.
Third: do NOT sign a marriage contract. Marriage contract is meant to give TO HER the rights, not to the children.

The best way is surrogacy, but it’s expensive.
Adoption is very hard to get for a single man, and the kid wouldn’t be biologically your.
In both those cases there’s a lot of work and sacrifices to do being a single parent.
Third option is cohabitation: it’s palimony hidden contract, just only marginally better than marriage contract.

A suggestion, if you go for the cohabitation route is: hide money, cash, and invest it in something that is reserved for the children and they (and she) cannot touch until they’re 18, also keep a good amount of the sum for you, as exit strategy.

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[HawkeParticipant 197]

From my view – no I personally would´t take the risk. The game is rigged from the start and the risk is just too high. Hadn´t the society been so f~~~ed up as it is now – maybe. But sadly it is.

Qui audet adipiscitur - Who dares, wins

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

Those who want to Live the “Fairy Tale” Life of the “American Dream” will get Bitch Slapped HARD for the rest of their lives !!

I am talking from Experience as MANY Men are on here as well, but take what you want and do what YOU must.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[ghostParticipant]

MGTOW_Mike wrote:

Have you thought about adopting a child?

I have not. I agree with your points but the urge to have my own just doesn’t go away.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22537]

Others here in prior topic threads have mentioned setting up a contract agreement with a surrogate. No female would have any legal claims to your children. Plus no need to get married and deal with the unwanted drama and unpredictability, loss of money supporting her expenses while married, and most likely divorce rape/continued loss of money at the end.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[surfdude12Participant 4103]

Just go poor foreign country, get a girlfriend (surrogate), be straight with her and pay her $$ to have baby and sign paperwork then bring baby back here. I read Surrogate is $30K in USA…WTF

[ForeverDoneParticipant 2928]

goodkid43 wrote:

If you are a Christian, there is a chance. If not, then no.

If you are a Christian, then prayer, fasting and being free from mortal sin is a necessary prerequisite to understand God’s will for your life.

Good luck with that thought process. It’s not a Christian, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu issue. It’s the female brainwashing system that has killed the nuclear family dynamic. I am my ex-wife were Christian, failed miserably. In fact, I asked my ex-wife to see the Pastor. She had no interest.

If he wants to have a family, very admirable. you want to roll the dice with a marriage, chances are, we’ll see you back here in a few years. Don’t select this option unless you are a gluten for mental, emotional and financial punishment.

[ghostParticipant]

ForeverDone wrote:

If he wants to have a family, very admirable. you want to roll the dice with a marriage, chances are, we’ll see you back here in a few years.

It scares me but I just feel like I have to at least give it a shot. It’s like when I started my business against a lot of odds.

[MGTOW_MikeParticipant 6253]

ghost wrote:

I have not. I agree with your points but the urge to have my own just doesn’t go away.

I understand, brother Gambit. There is nothing wrong with having that urge and we brothers do not judge you for that at all. There must be a solution for you, a better alternative.

A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

Need to elaborate.

You are looking for a broodmare.

Any woman on the looks scale from 6-10 is automatically disqualified.

If a woman reads my list she should be repulsed at how horrible a person I am.

This is the inverse of how horrible women are when looking for prince charming with her list.

I am not talking about being abusive, etc.

It is your life, take control of it and rule it as benevolently as possible.

My list eliminates ninety some percent, at least, of the American population. So, chances are great you won’t ever meet an eligible woman.

Peace brothers

[the roadParticipant 3125]

Surrogacy, just like the gays do.

If you try to do the fantasy land “nuclear family” thing, you are playing Russian roulette with a six shooter that has 5 rounds in the chambers.

You are far more likely than not to get divorce raped and lose everything.

Almost everyone I know is divorced and in almost every case, it ended badly for the father.

Surrogacy or adoption. Otherwise never.

#MANOUT

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